YTSEJAM Digest 3582 Today's Topics: 1) Re: GREEN DAY SUCKS!!!! by The iban 2) Re: Contributing to Yngwie's discussion by AEllis1222 3) Re: Ibanez John Perucci model by "Todd Beachler" 4) RE: Ibanez EX series. by "Todd Beachler" 5) Talk about overreacting... by Pat Griffin 6) Re: GREEN DAY SUCKS!!! by Damon Fibraio 7) Chaos Theory and other stuff by Calvin 6S 8) Re: Chaos Theory and other stuff by graham boyle 9) Yet another Green Day post by Glenn Waterfield 10) YNGWIE by Tom Cox 11) My Shrapnel favourites. by Chris Groves 12) by Josh Becker 13) I'll answer this one maddy... by "woot" 14) The Uroboros by Uroborosss 15) Re: YNGWIE by graham boyle 16) Re: JCM 900 by Tom Cox 17) There's a Fire in the House! by "KorgX3" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:49:48 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: GREEN DAY SUCKS!!!! Message-ID: oh my god dude, i can't believe you actually thought i was serious. haha, man, some people, no offense, but that was just about the most sarcastic thing i ever heard in my life. i must say i did expect atleast one person to take me serious, but hell, to be serious enough to give me your name address and phone number? thats pretty funny. this is even better than the bit i did about me being the #1 Mettalica fan months ago, i think that dude caught on after the 2nd post though. lol Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:50:45 EST From: AEllis1222 To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Contributing to Yngwie's discussion Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-28 00:43:37 EST, you write: << Clapton's "24 nights >> Funny, I just said to someone yesterday "Yngwie could play circles around Clapton." Yngwie can do what Clapton does, and more. but, to each his own. . . Art The Official Joe Stump Website http://www.joestump.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:23:38 -0500 From: "Todd Beachler" To: Subject: Re: Ibanez John Perucci model Message-ID: <01bd4411$683e7b60$9b370e26@harmony> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD43E7.7F687360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Never played on a JPM...more into the Jems myself. The JPM is a thought = out guitar jsut like the Jem. No single coil pickup in the middle = position because John says they get in the way with his playing style. = I have the same problem with my Jem so I just lowered the SC untill it = was out of the way. I wondered about the JPM 7 strings as well. = Obviously Ibanez has done it before why not do it again for the average = buyer? There are only 3 different 7 strings on that Ibanez offers right = now. Just ordered an RG-7620 last week!! JTB ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD43E7.7F687360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Never played on a JPM...more into = the Jems=20 myself. The JPM is a thought out guitar jsut like the Jem. = No single=20 coil pickup in the middle position because John says they get in the way = with=20 his playing style. I have the same problem with my Jem so I just = lowered=20 the SC untill it was out of the way. I wondered about the JPM 7 = strings as=20 well. Obviously Ibanez has done it before why not do it again for = the=20 average buyer? There are only 3 different 7 strings on that Ibanez = offers=20 right now. Just ordered an RG-7620 last week!!

JTB

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD43E7.7F687360-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:30:55 -0500 From: "Todd Beachler" To: Subject: RE: Ibanez EX series. Message-ID: <01bd4412$6ce837e0$9b370e26@harmony> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BD43E8.84122FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the best Ibanez IMHO is the Jem. Great sounding guitar. Just don't buy = a Jem 555! jtb ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BD43E8.84122FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

the best Ibanez IMHO is the = Jem. Great=20 sounding guitar. Just don't buy a Jem 555!

jtb

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BD43E8.84122FE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:54:12 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: Talk about overreacting... Message-ID: >Mail? Chris Calabrese > 706 East Tower > Ithaca College > 953 Danby Rd. > Ithaca, NY 14850 Ok, now that we have his address, we need to decide who will send him what... I volenteer for the large envelope with the return address of a fertility clinic and a big red 'Rejection' stamp on it. Anyone want to handle the Big Gay Al's Big Gay Porn Catalog and "Your penis enlargment kit has arrived!" package? :) h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o / | Pat Griffin Reality Squared Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o / ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GREEN DAY SUCKS!!! Message-ID: Chris, man, you need a lobotomy. He was kidding. Relax. -- Damon Fibraio, email_address_removed Keyboards, vocals, musical slut I'll play for money. Enquire if interested. "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, Spirit of Radio, 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:54:31 EST From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: Chaos Theory and other stuff Message-ID: One thing that has been very helpful on the ytsejam is the mention of progressive bands other than Dream Theater. Or non-progressive for that matter. I love it when somebody posts a band they like (whether or not I eventually liking it is insignificant) and where to get some sound bytes. The latest one posted was Chaos Theory, as well as a mention that they will be releasing an album with Magna Carta. Does anyone know if and how many albums they already have out? What are some good sources for buying bands like this that I will never find in the average music store, as far as buying from the net. I did a search for Chaos Theory, but I guess there is a hardcore rap band named Chaos Theory that I kept coming up with. I love the sound byte of the progressive Chaos Theory I downloaded. It is a must for my collection. By the way, it really doesn't bother me to be "flamed" as I guess the term is called. You can say whatever you want about me concerning my previous "very opinionated" posts. It doesn't really bother me when I am attacked. It just doesn't serve a purpose. All it did for me was help me decide that I would rather not deal with taking on the task I had brought up if I had to empty my mailbox with all the complaints. I had just been trying to get some more Japanese Tab for two years, and I finally came up with something. I knew that there were probably other people out there (most likely on something like the ytsejam) that had been trying to do the same. As far as the general putdowns of other musicians, I wasn't even implying that what was being said should be stopped. I just find it very unproductive to put down a musician when it comes to the non-musical side of their lives. If Petrucci went bald and gained 400 lbs, he would still be my favorite guitarist. I just am probably more sensitive to this because the first part of my time at MI I was overweight and that seemed to make it harder to get into bands. The second half I had started to work out and even though I still wrote the same music, I was able to find more musician's to play with. It's as if some people hear music with their eyes. And I am not even denying that I have done the same thing to others. It is human nature to these things. But it is better if you can stop yourself every once in a while and decide if what you are saying really serves a purpose. We all say stupid things once in while. Oh, and I love Roger's comments concerning Green Day. He is obviously a jokester (probably a vocalist or drummer if stereotypes are true). It is almost as if he is coming out and saying "It's a big joke" without saying it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:38:01 +1100 From: graham boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Chaos Theory and other stuff Message-ID: Calvin 6S wrote: > The latest one posted was Chaos Theory, as well as a mention that they will be > releasing an album with Magna Carta. Does anyone know if and how many albums > they already have out? Chaos Theory are currently recording their debut album. The album is supposed to be out around April, though the band are changing their name to avoid confusion with the (c)rap band with the same name. graham ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:50:43 -0600 (CST) From: Glenn Waterfield To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Yet another Green Day post Message-ID: I somehow felt the need to post on this subject: > From: "Matt Halloran" > I've learned a little about music over the years. And what I've learned is > that all music is targeted at a certain audience, and that audience is not > always other musicians. The songs they play on "Sesame Street" are just as > "great" as any virtuoso piece, because they succeed in connecting with > their target audience. You need to stop thinking that music sucks simply > because it doesn't move *you*. As long as it moves *someone*, it's valid. Partly true. What is meant by "valid"? Music meant for different audiences _can_ be compared -- it's not "apples and oranges." Music by Barney the Dinosaur intended for pre-schoolers and Bach intended for baroque-era mass attendees is intended for different audiences, but they contrast severly in content. Bach is clearly better when viewed by an intelligent listener (surprise: adults tend to be more intellectual than toddlers). As an old man/musician I can say that you can do a hell of a lot better than Green Day. It has energy, but I hate the fake punk English accent. Also, I think the severe guitar distortion of the genre supresses musicianship. How can a guitar player navigate when so much of the sound is muddied by all that noise? Why does the bass player play with a pick? Why does the singer sound like he got the job because his dad bought the PA equipment? I think music should hold more meaning than what pop alternative offers. It should be measured, meaningful, and passionate, not flung around like monkey feces just to see what flies. In summary, just because something holds the same amount of importance to a 16 year old dope smoker as something does for me doesn't mean that they carry the same validity. "Out of the ashes of my youth I rise a man And through the eyes of truth I finally understand" -- Symphony X > If you want to discuss the merits/demerits of certain kinds of music, > great. I like an informed debate. But If you must resort to juvenile > name-calling when someone disagrees with you, then please take your > opinions (and your "experience") elsewhere. What do you think of that, Matt? I didn't even swear! :) If you can sell me on Green Day, I'll be a happy guy with a new CD. Speaking of the Muppets: Mahna Mahna Doo-doo doo-doo-doo... Peace, dude! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ L. Glenn Waterfield "Call for your physics reading today!" "Live it up, boys. The meter's running." - Harry Caray Argonne National Lab email_address_removed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:25:54 -0600 From: Tom Cox To: email_address_removed Subject: YNGWIE Message-ID: I just subscribed to this list two days ago, and since have seen more bashing of Yngwie than I would care to. I thought this was a list of people with intelligence, but alas, I guess I was mistaken. On a side note that is related, why don't you settle this argument by asking John Petrucci to play even half of a rippin-ass Malmsteen solo, and I promise you, he wouldn't come close at all. Yngwie is the fastest fucking guitarist I have seen on the face of the earth. Yngwie probably knows more about music and theory than any of the FUCKERS that bash him put together times ten. So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS. Half of you don't deserve to be DT fans in the first place. I thought their music was about expressing music- hasn't Yngwie Malmsteen been doing that since 1983 or so? Fuck all you self-loving hypocrites, FUCK YOU. BTW, this is from a drummer that doesn't even play guitar but seems to respect the instrument more than a lot of people here. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:28:47 +1000 From: Chris Groves To: Ytsejam Subject: My Shrapnel favourites. Message-ID: Well, personally, having got into Shrapnel releases, then almost as quickly leaving them behind, I don't have many favourites, but to me, these two CDs stand out: -Jason Becker; "Perpetual Burn". and -James Murphy; "Convergance". I like Perpetual Burn, simply coz of what's going on underneath the solos, as well as Jason Becker being a killer guitarist... (*sob*)..... The drumming kinda pisses me off, it's similar to the drumming on 'I&W' in that it seems to outline the time signatures, and go off into its own thing, as opposed to being more 'beat'-oriented (this is a bad term, but....). Unfortunately, the drummer (Atma Anur?) isn't as good at this as he would like to be. :) BUT, the keyboards especially are good on this album, there's actually some nice *song*-oriented shredding here..... 'Air' is a little mundane, but still quite nice, although the clean tone on this (and every other Shrapnel release I have heard) sucks harder than Traci Lords. The first track, 'Altitudes', and the last one, (shit, i forget the title.....), are my favourites. Convergance is more of a 'regular' metal record.... 4/9ths of the tracks even have vocals (2 by Devon Townsend, 1 by Chuck Billy, 1 by someone I forget.) The Allan Holdswort tune on this one is a bit different, but for the most part, this stuff is really good power-trio metal, with some great solos, less Yngwie-oriented than a lot of the Shrapnel roster of old........ There are a couple of duds, but overall, this is a very strong album indeed. On the Yngwie note, people seem to be forgetting one note: this guy bags out other musicians more than ANYONE. EVERY interview, he bags out EVERYONE mentioned, even other people up on his guitar level, notably Steve Vai. So saying it's unfair to bag out musicians, so therefore unfair to bag out Yngwie.... well, I'm sorry, but if anyone wants to bag him out, the retributionary costs have already been paid by Mr. Malmsteen. Dude sure can play, though. Seeya! Chirs Groves. email_address_removed.au "And you hate me.... because of my lazy eye....." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:41:47 -0600 From: Josh Becker To: "'Dream Theater'" Message-ID: If you're interested, a progressive band from Wisconsin worth checking out... http://www.beyondthemirror.com Info, photos, sound clips ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:38:07 -0700 From: "woot" To: Subject: I'll answer this one maddy... Message-ID: <000701bd4424$384688e0$message_id_removed> >Ptacek: A simple question I hope you don't take offense to: How is that >pronounced? *ahem* BA-FU Get high on ether when there's no one in the house. Pretend it's the big one the moment you pass out. That's just rehearsal, but it's comforting somehow To practice dying now. woot=99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:58:02 EST From: Uroborosss To: email_address_removed Subject: The Uroboros Message-ID: > From: Andreas Schaefer > Subject: Re: Ibanez John Petrucci model questions > > Bafu, why the Uroboross e-mail address? Are you finally flexable enough to suck > your own dick? :) First, congratulations for actually knowing what a uroboros is. According to my questions archive, you're the first. :) Second, a brief description. For all ye unclued, the uroboros is a symbol depicting the perpetual cycle of life and death. It is usually drawn as a snake devouring its own tail, forming an unbroken circle. (or, as Andreas likes to picture it, a ytsejammer devouring his own genitalia, forming an unbroken chaotic pretzel of twisted limbs) You can see a uroboros on the title screens of the television show "Millenium." Agent Scully ("The X-Files") had one tattooed on her rear end. Third, I chose the name because I think it's a cool symbol (plus...you know...it WOULD be kinda cool if I could suck myself off). "Uroboros" spelled correctly was already taken on AOL, so I added some more s's to make the word sound like what a snake would actually say - uroborosss (hissing, get it? GET IT???). And you thought the yinyang was the most simple and streamlined "perpetual" symbol out there...TWO whales in a circle? We gots ONE creature over here, and it encircles ITSELF, BOYYYYYY!! "Yeah right! Let's face it, you picked the name because you wish you were on Agent Scully's ass!" Yeah yeah, don't we all? Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:09:02 +1100 From: graham boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YNGWIE Message-ID: Tom Cox wrote: > I just subscribed to this list two days ago, and since have seen more > bashing of Yngwie than I would care to. I thought this was a list of > people with intelligence, but alas, I guess I was mistaken. On a side > note that is related, why don't you settle this argument by asking John > Petrucci to play even half of a rippin-ass Malmsteen solo, and I promise > you, he wouldn't come close at all. Yngwie is the fastest fucking > guitarist I have seen on the face of the earth. Yngwie probably knows > more about music and theory than any of the FUCKERS that bash him put > together times ten. Yep he is fast and faster still and that's all he seems to be. JP runs circles around him, he has one thing that Yngwie dosen't have VARIETY. Yngwie seems to play the same type of fast un melodic solo in every song, and his songwriting isn't even in the same league as JP's not to mention Yngwie's poor 'baby I love you, it's so true' type of lyrics. Fast dosen't mean better by any degree..... Wait till you hear Liquid Tension Experiment, JP smokes it up... > So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS. Yes we are all opinionated, so cos your opinion is different we are all need to be called names ? > Half of you don't deserve to be DT fans in the first place. Nor do you deserve to remain on this list, your just as bad as the people you are putting down, learn some respect. graham ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:08:32 -0600 From: Tom Cox To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: JCM 900 Message-ID: You might think they aren't that great because you might not have played through a real JCM 900 or an 800. The newer ones have 6L6 tubes(need I say more?), and the good JCM's have EL34 power tubes in them. BTW, I'm the same drummer that posted that message about people bashing Yngwie Malmsteen. I say that just to point out that a person doesn't have to be a "guitar player" to know what the fuck he's talking about(so I say fuck a lot...Fuck You). I just got out of a band where one of the guitarists had a JCM 900, but it was one of the newer ones, with 6L6 power tubes. Just after I left this band, I started jamming with another guitar player that also had a JCM 900. But on sight I could see that this one was a lot older, and when I heard it, Holy Shit, it was heavy. Just a word of knowledge about JCM 900's- it really depends on the power tubes as to how the amp will sound- if you don't want to spend the resources required to find an older Marshall amp, then I would suggest getting the "Slash" Signature model JCM 900- it has EL34 tubes in it already. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:04:34 -0700 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: There's a Fire in the House! Message-ID: <01bd4427$e34e1340$message_id_removed> >I just subscribed to this list two days ago, and since have seen more >bashing of Yngwie than I would care to. I thought this was a list of >people with intelligence, but alas, I guess I was mistaken. Welcome to the world. -- Les Claypool. >On a side note that is related, why don't you settle this argument by asking >John Petrucci to play even half of a rippin-ass Malmsteen solo, and I promise >you, he wouldn't come close at all. First of all, let's back up a second. Maybe we oughtta ask John if he'd even want to play a Malmsteen solo. I dunno about John but I'd laugh in your face and ask you to play me a Billy McLaughlin song. Speed does not equal good. "Look mommy! I can play a 64th note chromatic run at 300 bpm! It may sound like shit but at I'm the fastest guitar player in the world." No offense, but Yngwie's stuff sounds to me like pirate music. When I hear Yngwie I get scurvy. If you like it, that's fine, I just don't want to eat another one of my dad's loafers for dinner tonight, thank you very much. So Yuckface can play guitar fast, but can he reconstruct Beethoven's Pathetique on a Didgeridoo? Show me a person who can do that and only then will I assume the position. >guitarist I have seen on the face of the earth. Yngwie probably knows >more about music and theory than any of the FUCKERS that bash him put >together times ten. A theory genius does not a good musician make. The Trashcan Man could be a music theory genius, but that still wouldn't mean he could play a mean piccolo. No, instead he wants to light your hair on fire and wet himself. But, then, by the way your kissing Yngwie's ass you obviously know how to toot a mean flute. (Oh, my, did I say that out loud?) >Half of you don't deserve to be DT fans in the first place. But it's OK for you to get on the mailing list here and babble about how much Yngwie's supposed to kick JP's ass. Go find yourself a dimebag for the evening and go back to dancing the Macarena with your grandma if you don't like it here. Oh, By the way, welcome to the 'jam! --KorgX3 P.S. Is it me or are the greater quantity of Yngwie fans pompous, closed-minded, opinionated, forebearing bunch of folks you've ever seen? Kinduv surprising I don't like him, I guess.. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3582 **************************