YTSEJAM Digest 3580 Today's Topics: 1) The Best by email_address_removed 2) Thought industry by Seth Hatlelid 3) Re: the ske is falling... by Bert Baldwin 4) Oops by Bert Baldwin 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579 by "Matt Halloran" 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579 by Nicholas Giannotti 7) Spleen Flay by email_address_removed 8) Re: Portnoy at grammies and other by Damon Fibraio 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579 by The iban 10) Re: Green Day by Peter Tatischev 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579 by Damon Fibraio 12) FlungerBluggen by Chris Oates 13) Re: Amplifier Oppinions (yup, with two p's) by K I L L M A R Y ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:51:12 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: The Best Message-ID: Ah, Ytsejam 3578 Anyone who can sit back and just laugh at this, is having at least as much fun as I am. What a perfect digest. We have the blatant insults, classic Bafu, Ptacek bashing, and the "it's easy to be a tough guy when you're protected by the 'net'!" line. Not to mention the "Flatten you like a pancake, Boyeeeee" and the "What are you, a freshman in high school?" lines... I love you guys. :) > The Ibanez pickups were good, but I really love the Seymour sound. Since you are in Duncan camp with me, Vin, you're allowed to say it. The old Ibanez stock pickups suck all hairy ass. There is no denying it. People who like them just haven't tried a different pickup in their guitar. > properties. Click the details tab, and then message source. there ya hav= I didn't think to try this until you mentioned it, but all I had to do was "Show All Headers" in my mailer. That solved the problem instantly. Thanks, wootie! > > was wondering.. if.. theres a reliable way to get a guitar painted.. for > > example id like to get petrucci's b/w graphic.. or something similar.. > > How can i go about that? There are two things you can do to customize the look of the guitar in that manner. The cheap and cheesy way, would be to just paint all over the guitar... I don't recommend this until the guitar is all beat up, because it will devalue the axe. I did this to my RG550 after it had some knicks and bumps. It does look cool, but in a kind of "Did it myself" way. The other option you really can't do yourself, even if you are artistically inclined. You have to have all the paint sanded off, do the graphics, and add several million layers of clear paint... it's a tedious process, and is very expensive. Just a color change on your guitar will cost around $200-$300 if you want it to look perfect. Graphics are usually more. Of course, these are prices out here in Chicago... it may be more or less costly out by you. > instruments, or the location and manner in which they were made. The > difference is the big red EX, compared to the little white EX. This sentence got cut off in my post (I think it's the bug that occurs when you start a sentence with "from") but basically I was saying, with regard to the old EX guitars (before they moved everything to Korea) that the only change was the way they wrote EX. They're really the same guitars. > From: Uroborosss That was an awesome post, but I don't know how I remind you of the black knight... I thought I was more of a flying cow, or something. Better than being Brave Sir Robin, I guess. > From: Calvin 6S > Subject: YtseJam Losers > > Getting tired of the bitching and complaining going on here: Interesting. Then why are you contributing towards it? > 1 - Young Guitar complaints I have heard so far: > a) It's in Japanese. Duh. Music and tab doesn't have a langauge. The magazine is not mostly music. It's mostly interviews. You didn't mention that it's not in English, and that is a very significant point. Why on earth would you not want us to point that out? Would you rather have some dude order it and then yell at you for selling him something he can't read? This doesn't seem that unreasonable, unless you were deliberately misleading people so as to get more people to join in and make it less costly to ship. Again, I don't believe that's what you were trying to do, which is why I didn't state it that way in my message. But the way you're freaking out, I have to consider that maybe that's exactly what you were doing. I don't know. > No, but if I am interested in an article, I just scan in it > and have the computer translate! It isn't perfect, but good enough. That's not a luxury everyone can afford. Which is besides the fact that I've never seen OCR do an adequate job on Japanese. > c) "I don't think Calvin is trying to scam" - how do I respond. I am > just trying to set up something that would help a lot of people. Wouldn't > exactly be a picnic for me to organize either? That's not a complaint. What would you prefer I say? There is nothing insulting in that statement... it was more to back you up than anything. But it makes me very curious to see why you're freaking out so bad just because I questioned how you were going to pull that off. Shows your true colors, Captain Happy. > This brings me to the following point. I am withdrawing the offer of what I > considered almost a "Community Service". I'm holding counselling sessions in the school gymnasium for all of you who are so deeply crushed by this. And to those of you who would like Cal's free "I'm a martyr" kit, send a self addressed stamped envelope to: email_address_removed 3578 Whineybitch Rd I Care, IL, 60115 > Giving your opinion of the album is okay, but then to say it isn't worth more > than $50 is ridiculous. Why? That's a valid opinion, when it comes from someone who bought the disc himself. I have heard Lords of Sound, Home Sweet Home, and one other boot recently, all of which I steered clear of because I didn't like the sound quality. If some dude buys that disc for $50 without getting to hear it, he may or may not be disappointed. This is just jammers looking out for each other. Maybe the solution is to make some .wav files or mp3s, to show what the quality is like. I'm sure the dude selling it will be happy to do that... it will only help the possibility of a sale. > me. I tell you what, the next time you want to rag on Yngwie, include a jpeg > picture of yourself along with your best recording. Judging by the fact that > all the XXXL and XXL Ytse Jam shirts are sold out, most of the people putting > him down wouldn't hold up to the same scrutiny. Yeah! Screw freedom of speech! Listen sparky, If I want to cut Yngwie down (which I haven't) I'm gonna. You have a lot of nerve just hopping in here and expecting people to work with your very narrow sense of humor. If cutting down the way Yngwie looks is someone's way to compensate for not being able to play like him, so what? That's why I've poked fun at Michael Romeo. Some of us expect people to be able to take a joke. I own an XXL Ytsejam shirt. That means I'm a big, fat, bald, same-album over-and-over-releasin' guitarist too... I can take it when people make fun of me. Bring it on! But at least I don't eat fuckin' donuts (only the Pantera fans have a clue there, probably) > 6) And to all you holier than thou jammers that just seem to sit back and > bitch, bitch, bitch about other people. Fuck off. This is great. You tell the list that they're acting immature, and then you tell em all to fuck off. > Why don't you try adding > something to the jam instead of just putting everything down? You've already cut stuff down yourself... why don't you practice what you preach? You can't have it both ways. It's good to have a fresh new voice join the list, and post in a manner as though he'd been here forever. The same insults, the same condemnations and accusations, the same attitude problem... if I didn't know better I'd have thought you'd been here for at least a year. Welcome aboard! "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:58:37 -0600 From: Seth Hatlelid To: email_address_removed Subject: Thought industry Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who recommended Thought Industry. I managed to come accross Songs for Insects and picked it up. I immediately hated it. I was expecting something groovy and weird (sort of Echolyny), but after I sat back and listened to this for a while I had to come toi the conclusion THIS DISK ROCKS!!!!! It wasn't what I expected but it's still darn good. I do have to disagree with however said that they sound like Primus on crack-Nope, no way, this is WAAAAYYYYY to much metal to sound anything close to Primus, It sounds more like the Galactic Cowboys on crack (especially the singer and the fast blast beat sections, which in my opinion are the only parts of the album that suck, they are just so generic, the beats not the singer). I do have to agree with the pre-Korn influence a little bit but only in certain areas. My only gripes with the disk are the blast beats (the second half of the CD is soooo much better thatn the first-The Chalice Vermillion is incredible!), The production is fucking horrible, too muddy and the bass sounds like shit (I'm a bass player so I'm picky about this: although his playing is amazing, his tone blows), and the singer dates the music. It just screams 80's, it's good, but it just can't help that. Lyrics are good, weird, but good. One of those things that people claim to understand better under the influence of mind-altering drugs (like NyQuil). I have to say that Thought Industry are very good (and they havn't even had time to really grow on me yet), especially at the slow intricate stuff, but the fast stuff just doesn't float my boat as much. Can anyone recommend a next disc to try out by these guys. prefereably one closer to songs 7, 9, and 10. Thanks for the great recommendations=, Seth Seth Hatlelid email_address_removed Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html "There's nothing as dangerous as a bored college student." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:23:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin To: The YtseJam mailing list Subject: Re: the ske is falling... Message-ID: You say there's Big Wreck tab in Young Guitarist? Wreck has had incredibly airplay here in Rochester, NY, on 96.5 WCMF (Outlaw Radio, No Wimps Allowed.) They get played a few times every afternoon. Funny, eh? DT's opening band gets more airplay than DT does. Carpe Diem, -- Bert Baldwin email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin To: The YtseJam mailing list Subject: Oops Message-ID: Sorry about that error. It's not "Young Guitar", it's "Guitar World." My bad. Sorry for wasting the bandwidth. :( Carpe Diem, -- Bert Baldwin email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:24:54 -0400 From: "Matt Halloran" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579 Message-ID: Listen. Take all this damn "experience" you keep bragging about, and shove it up your ass. It doesn't mean dick. Am I supposed to be so impressed that I bow before you? Look, I started playing and studying music over 20 years ago, and I play several instruments. I am by no means a virtuoso in any of them, but I feel I've learned a little about music over the years. And what I've learned is that all music is targeted at a certain audience, and that audience is not always other musicians. The songs they play on "Sesame Street" are just as "great" as any virtuoso piece, because they succeed in connecting with their target audience. You need to stop thinking that music sucks simply because it doesn't move *you*. As long as it moves *someone*, it's valid. If you want to discuss the merits/demerits of certain kinds of music, great. I like an informed debate. But If you must resort to juvenile name-calling when someone disagrees with you, then please take your opinions (and your "experience") elsewhere. ......... ....... .....bravo...well said.......... .......... ......... Sansamp PSA-1: It isn't quite "the tone" bet definitely the best direct recording unit I have heard so far. It is definitely worthy of making demos out of your apartment. ...... ...... I use the Sansamp GT-2 and it sounds pretty darn good direct I fatten it up a little with some reverb/delay/chorus or whatever from my Alesis Quadraverb and I can get a nice singing lead tone.....i still have a problem getting a nice rhythm tone...but then I am never satisfied with that even when not going direct....so more experimentation is in order..........i am also planning on getting a Fender Hot Rod Deville.........(god I love tax returns)......as I believe in starting out with a good clean amp first and then building up from there. i am not a big fan of Stacks and the like.....I also have an ADA and thought it was good when I first got it but I had been playing a 40 Watt crate up until that point.....and I agree that if you want to buy mine that it is the best piece of gear ever created. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:58:58 -0500 From: Nicholas Giannotti To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579 Message-ID: >From: Chris Calabrese >Subject: Re: Green Day > >Have you been smokin' crack? Are you nuts? As a musician I almost >never use this term...THEY SUCK! (snip) >repetative crap. You want some great song writing? Get some Jethro >Tull or some Kansas. Isn't that a matter of opinion? Who cares if they don't write in the vein of Kansas or Jethro Tull? Actually, is it really fair to compare Green Day to Tull? Or Kansas? They're two entirely different styles of music. It's like apples and oranges. Would you compare Bach to Anthrax? Conway Twitty to Morbid Angel? The songs/compositions in each of those examples are such polar opposites that any comparison becomes ludicrous - the same with comparing Green Day to Kansas or Tull. I'll probably get some flames for this, but I happen to like Green Day - I think they have a certain vibe about them that no other band can really match in 'popular' music today. I think they write really good, catchy songs - they always get stuck in my head (and no, before you ask, I don't have any sort of mental deficiency). They have a ripping distortion sound, too, IMHO. >original punk music? Pick up some Sex Pistols or some Misfits. Stop >wasting your time with this garbage! Now those are good bands, and this is a valid argument. Let's look at two stylistically similar bands: The Sex Pistols, and Green Day. If you want to debate the merits of one of these bands over the other, then that's great. If you ask me, in punk music NO ONE can touch the Sex Pistols, so I think you'll be preaching to the converted, so to speak, if we get in this debate. And as far as the whole Yngwie debate goes, I've said it before and I'll say it again: he'd be a lot better if he didn't tell me how good he was in the first place. -Nicholas "Anyone who believes in psychokineses, please raise my right hand." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:53:40 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Spleen Flay Message-ID: > From: Calvin 6S > Subject: Amplifier Opinions > ADA MP-1: Terrible, Terrible amp. Unless you want to buy it from me. Then > it kicks ass. First amp I ever bought. I didn't have a clue what tone was. > I just liked all the buttons. No dynamics at all. For some weird reason, these sound good with the pickups on the Universe guitars. Scott Stine uses an MP-1 with an Intellifex Ltd. and gets a decent tone out of em. And Gilbert sometimes had a cool tone with em... but I've never been able to dial up a good sound on one with a 6 string. The MP-2 has more gain, but more noise and the worse noise gate on the market. The early ones had a serious pseudo-feedback-squeak problem . > Mesa Boogie Rectifier: Nothing can touch this. It lacks live possibilities > because it doesn't have a stereo effects loop and I usually like to have a > couple of rhythm tones, a couple of lead tones, and a couple of clean tones. > Not possible with this. But then again, when I just want a godly distorted > tone, this is what I plug into! Have you checked out the Bogner Ecstacy? Boogie is the top of the line from one perspective, but you'll find a lot of great tones in other high end gear. I loved the Rectifier for 6 string, but couldn't get a good tone for 7 string. > Mesa Engineering Triaxis: Almost got this one, but I think the Rectifier > sounds better. The Rectifier circuitry on this is good, but it isn't quite a > Rectifier. Besides, it's the Orange channel, not the Red. What I do like is > the clean tones on this, and the live possibilities with it. The most current TriAxis has new Rectifier circuitry. Might be worth going into a shop and trying out a new one. I am completely satisfied with my TriAxis tone for 6 string, but haven't tweaked a good 7 string tone yet. The lead channels are great for metal, but they can't seem to provide a good round tone, like a Holdsworth sound or anything like that. This bums me out, because I'm getting sick of sounding trebley. I want more of a Morse meets Holdsworth sound. It's important to play through a SimulClass 2:90 if you want to really maximize the TriAxis's power. The 2:90 has tone circuits that are made to be accessed by the TriAxis, through the front panel or via midi. With the newest release of the TriAxis, every parameter can be controlled via a continuous controller (awesome for live stuff) Incidentally, there is a program available for the TriAxis that allows you to sync it to your computer so you can change sounds with your computer and dump all of your patches to your hard drive so you can keep screwing around. You can DL patches to your computer from the web, and transfer them directly onto your TriAxis. That's completely awesome. There are several sites on the web that focus on Rectifier and TriAxis settings . > Marshall JMP-1: I didn't think I liked Marshalls, but when I was at the NAMM > show recently, I plugged into one of these and I was getting an incredible > tone. These never impressed me, but they've freaked out a lot of my friends. Maybe I should give em another listen. > settings from me. With a little help from members, their could be pages with > settings from the stars. Wouldn't it be great to see JPTriax.txt (a text file > of all of John Petrucci's Triaxis settings)? The main ones were released in a Guitar World Magazine a while back... his new tones aren't TriAxis for the most part though, TMK > this. I don't know the first thing about websites. In fact, if somebody > beats me to this idea (or it is already out), fine with me. It's already out, but there isn't a site that really offers a lot of different amp combinations, or that offers a great variety of settings. An ambitious person could easily outdo the ones that are currently available. > From: Chris Calabrese > Subject: Re: Green Day > What? Are you really that stupid? Is someone joking around here or is > this guy for real? It's a joke, probably intended to elicit the response you just provided. :) Someone saying Green Day is awesome, is fine by me, but you have to be able to figure out that the person is kidding when he or she says "I've been playing since I was 2, and now I'm 22 and can't play any of those Green Day Chops". :) "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:56:16 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Portnoy at grammies and other Message-ID: to defend our techno electronic music Chemical bros. the only lyrics in the song are, "Back with another one of those block rockin' beats", and "We're about ready to rock steady". The song was catchy when I first heard it, a few steps above techno, but still nothing technical, more programming and noise than anything else. The bass line is cool, though. Bet it was sampled. -- Damon Fibraio, email_address_removed Keyboards, vocals, musical slut I'll play for money. Enquire if interested. "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, Spirit of Radio, 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:24:41 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-27 15:00:01 EST, you write: << Have you been smokin' crack? Are you nuts? As a musician I almost never use this term...THEY SUCK! They're pathetic. They're a bunch of loser teenagers who got together one day, learned a few power chords and >> you're lucky i don'tknow where you live,cause nobody puts down the genius mind of that dude who sings for green day, he is a true poet, and a musical genius, more so than prince ever was or any other musician. the sex pistols were posers and never could of ever dreamed of being a TRUE punk band like Green Day. I should know, I'm a real musician, i'm not as great as green day, but i can play simple stuff like dream theater, fates warning, and basic music like that. Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:27:11 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Green Day Message-ID: >repetative crap. You want some great song writing? Get some Jethro >Tull or some Kansas. Yeah, man!!! I can't agree more - Jethro Tull featurea absolutely incredible songwriting, maybe that's cause Ian plays the flute and makes a lot of arrangements... Flute is such an instrument that 'makes' you use polyrythmic structures in songs, I do play with a flute player and it's quite often that he changes rythms and inserts some 'breaks' or whatsoever... NP: Jethro Tull -Unreleased and rare tracks- ==========================================================\/ ....Every day you fight a battle /\ Don't give up and call it fate.... \/ Stu Hamm "The Urge" /\ The maintainer of the YtseJamCD Project site: \/ http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/Ytze /\ mirror: http://tripod.members.com/~Pete339 /\ IRC: Hammman ICQ:425-8962 \/ =========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:50:26 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579 Message-ID: This guy is being totally sarcastic and the flames that accompany this guy should not exist. I find his posts rather funny. -- Damon Fibraio, email_address_removed Keyboards, vocals, musical slut I'll play for money. Enquire if interested. "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, Spirit of Radio, 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:55:51 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" Subject: FlungerBluggen Message-ID: First off: re: Met* >Aw, come on, I for one actually like their new sound If M* were to play acoustic versions of their new stuff, it would be country. Period. End of Discussion. Open for debate: And, it would be some pretty bland, bad country at that. Not that I like good country, but the new stuff is really boring. re: Gree* Da* >> come on, you can't put down Green Day, they are some of the best song writers >Have you been smokin' crack? The dangers of leaving out a smiley (for the original poster) and the dangers of not seeing one even if it wasn't there (to the responder) -- it was a JOKE! It was pretty obvious to me. ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:06:43 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Amplifier Oppinions (yup, with two p's) Message-ID: Calvin6S (what the hell does 6S stand for anyway? :-): >Marshall JCM 900: Not bad but I definitely was expecting more. Took it back >after playing with it for two weeks. I'm a bass player now but I played guitar for some years and still do when my currently nameless band records in the studio like we're doing now, I'm doing rhythm guitar in some songs just to speed up the process. So I'll share my two cents anyways, from a guitar player and producer perspective. Yup, the JCM 900s I played weren't all that great. They say Marshall is a very irregular company as far as the quality of the JCM series is concerned. Some people say they've played/seen killer 800s and 900s, so I guess we must have played some bad ones. >ADA MP-1: Terrible, Terrible amp. Unless you want to buy it from me. Then >it kicks ass. First amp I ever bought. I didn't have a clue what tone was. >I just liked all the buttons. No dynamics at all. I actually kinda like mine. Of course, I bought it for 150 bux so for the price of a stompbox, I got a killer clean sound, and a distorted sound that I don't use right now but I could as well, to add some different sound in the studio to create those killer 4-layered rhythm tracks :-) I think it still sounds better than those ART, Zoom or even Boss multi-effects units, but I guess that's just me. And yes, I use that fat clean sound with chorus in my recordings and I think you can't beat it in a studio situation (at least nothing I have beats it). >Mesa Boogie Rectifier: Nothing can touch this. It lacks live possibilities >because it doesn't have a stereo effects loop and I usually like to have a >couple of rhythm tones, a couple of lead tones, and a couple of clean tones. >Not possible with this. But then again, when I just want a godly distorted >tone, this is what I plug into! Nothing else can sound so much like metal heaven. This amp simply rocks all, and it has many setting in between. Since I play different styles and mix them all together sometimes in the same song, I like the Marshall 30th Anniversary head a bit better (it's the one I got), because of its versatility (the heavy settings are good but all other settings are excelent too, from clean to bluesy to Hendrix-like). Plus, I'm not in a death or thrash band. If I was, I'd get a Rectifier, no doubt about it. >Marshall JMP-1: I didn't think I liked Marshalls, but when I was at the NAMM I got it on one day and returned it to the store the next day, I personally didn't like it. For direct recording like that, I still think the Sansamp kicks way more ass. >I am also interested in these two amps for direct recording. I get these huge >tones out of the Rectifier, but when I stick a mic in front of it, all that >bottom end goes bye-bye. Plus it is too loud to record at 3:30 am when I get >a great song idea. So tell me about the following: Well, try playing with positioning your microphone in different ways. If you just put it one inch from the cabinet facing the center of a speaker, of course your bass is not gonna show up in the recording. One thing you could try is to get a cabinet simulator and run it from your Rectifier. I got this ADA Microcab for like 75 bux used, I recorded a song using the Marshall 30th Anniversary head through it, and the sounds I got were surprisingly good. There's only one setting I like though, which is the 1x12 cabinet. the 2x12, 4x12, open back, etc, all sound like shit to me. >Rocktron Voodoo Valve: Rocktron seems to be tuned into the future. Their Everybody I know that owns a Rocktron preamp says wonderful things about it. Plus you don't see any used ones for sale. I guess that means it must really be good... Other amps I tried/owned: Roland JC55 - That little monster has a kickass clean sound and can stand any abuse. It rocked when I played it with a Metal Zone pedal to get some kickass distortion. Good setup for beginners, much better than buying those Crate or Peavey amps. IMO of course. Carvin MTS3212 - The distortion and the clean sounds are very nice. Lots of crunch, and a very good, singing lead sound. Not as nice as a top of the line Boogie or Marshall, but better than most stuff out there (and not too expensive either). Ampeg Lee Jackson - I don't remember the code for this thing. I think it's basically the Ampeg SVT optimized for guitar - it even has the same midrange controls. I could be wrong though. I got hooked by the glassy clean sounds this amp had - very Roland like, except you can hear it's a tube amp. The distortion was pretty good in my oppinion, but it needs a larger cabinet to sound good - the Peavey 5150 cabinets sound great with it. Hughes and Kettner Access preamp - Lots of options but the sound was too similar to an ADA MP-1 which costs 1/3 of the H&K, and is not exactly the flavor of the month. Argh that's it, I hope I might have helped somebody. Later! Christian. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / \_________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do." ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3580 **************************