YTSEJAM Digest 3578 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Aaron's High by "Vincent G. LuPone" 2) solution for all these incomplete jams by "noodle boy" 3) Re: by Carlos Alfaro 4) EX by email_address_removed 5) Savatage by Joe DeAngelo 6) Derek vs. Kevin vs. Jordan vs............ by Joe DeAngelo 7) The Pillage of Prism Village etc. by Uroborosss 8) Yjam 3577 & Ty Tabor by HseJackBlt 9) Re: DT Tour w/ Deep Purple by Lobsterback 10) Portnoy at grammies and other by "Matt Halloran" 11) Brussels yesterday by David Branle 12) YtseJam Losers by Calvin 6S 13) Jenny Batton by "Trevor W. Hoit" 14) Re: YtseJam Losers by graham boyle 15) Hey, you're a dumb jerk! by Chris Calabrese ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:26:00 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Aaron's High Message-ID: At 07:57 PM 2/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >....Hmmmm. the 6 to 8 hundred model. Add to that the price of a new neck, Only because I accidentally broke it when I was 14. >a couple hundred on new pickups; The Ibanez pickups were good, but I really love the Seymour sound. >ever think it would've been simpler (and >wiser) to just purchase a Jem, or JPM, or >one of their other high-line >guitars? No, because I hand-picked EXACTLY what is on this guitar, and it's got my own unique sound and style, and that my friend is priceless! Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:08:50 -0700 From: "noodle boy" To: Subject: solution for all these incomplete jams Message-ID: <000a01bd433d$cc4b60c0$message_id_removed> Sorry if this is annoying for the ack! moders, but some people might be interested in this. A lot of jams lately have been coming with seemingly only half of it readable. 3577 came with only the first post readable. I= f you haven't figured this out yet, just right click on it, and hit properties. Click the details tab, and then message source. there ya hav= e it. This is for outlook express, but all the other ones should have a similar feature. Get high on ether when there's no one in the house. Pretend it's the big one the moment you pass out. That's just rehearsal, but it's comforting somehow To practice dying now. woot=99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:25:04 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Message-ID: Aaron High wrote: > Hi, I recently got an Ibanez Rg 450dx black (mirror pickguard) and i > was wondering.. if.. theres a reliable way to get a guitar painted.. for > example id like to get petrucci's b/w graphic.. or something similar.. > How can i go about that? > > Next you'll wanna get a couple of new pickups, and what the hell, that neck > just > don't feel quite right either. > Seriously a pro paint job with the graphic is at the very least gonna set > you back > 200-300. > Just buy the guitar you want in the first place. > BTW, No I don't work for Ibanez. Hm.. i dont know.. pickups sound fine to me... and the neck is super comfortable for me.. hm.. anyway.. thanx In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:18:13 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: EX Message-ID: > From: "Vincent G. LuPone" > Subject: Ibanez EX Series > > >Ah, the Ibanez EX, also known as the Driftwood Series. :) > > Hmm, mine's made out of basswood. Does it float? : ) > >Actually, I owned > >one of these for a while, and the sound wasn't all that bad, and the > >playability was alright. The tremolo on it sucked, though. But for only > >$299, I wasn't going to complain. > > There you go :) Mine's the $600-$800 model Having been an employee of the Evil Empire of Guitar Center, I have to butt in and say, there has never been a $600-$800 model EX series. The vast majority of the RG series have always been available for below that price, with case. The EX series is the inexpensive line, one step below. That doesn't mean they sound worse... that's in your hands. I have always found them to be inferior in playability as compared to the RG series... the necks seem so small and narrow. I have large hands, and many of the EX border on toys for me, though I have seen and played a few decent ones. Interestingly enough, the Vinnie Moore Model that was out so long ago (before I was a GC worker) seemed to be nothing more than a glorified EX series, so what do I know? > of 10 in my book. Did you have one of the models with the EX written in > silver or in red? The models with the big EX symbol written in red really > sucked a fat donkey ass, but the earlier ones (like what I have) are really > smooth. instruments, or the location and manner in which they were made. The difference is the big red EX, compared to the little white EX. I am an Ibanez player, and I'm not knocking your guitar at all. Well... I take that back. I'm knocking all Ibanez guitars (including my two). They play nice and sound decent, but it would have taken so little effort to make an instrument so much better. I want one of the 7 string archtops if they ever come out, to see if their luthiers can cut it where it really counts. "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:28:19 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: Savatage Message-ID: > I like it. As I like anything Savatage. > The early stuff is pretty good, but I go nuts over the newer things, >with Zach Stevens on vocals. Ahhhhhh! > Chance! I agree 100% with this. Zach Stevens is an absolutely AMAZING vocalist. Really great. And yes, "Chance" is one off my all-time favorite tunes! Also "All That I Bleed" and "Alone You Breathe" both send chills down my spine! Anybody who hasn't already - - - - > I really recommend you pick up Savatage's "Edge of Thorns" and "Handful of Rain". "Dead Winter Dead" is pretty awesome too. - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:38:38 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: Derek vs. Kevin vs. Jordan vs............ Message-ID: I dunno about Jordan, but I must state 3 facts (or at least very strong opinions) 1. Kevin RULES 2. Derek RULES 3. Derek's awesome keys on FII should have been more prominent IMO. - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:48:42 EST From: Uroborosss To: email_address_removed Subject: The Pillage of Prism Village etc. Message-ID: Someone was kind enough to forward me YJ#3561, which never appeared in my mailbox but which also contained the "Prism Records Under ATTACK!!" post. Since Mike decided it was important enough to post personal threats on this list, I guess my own threatening opinions are worthy too. Everyone, feel free to threaten. Ever wonder what makes a sloppy blackmailer? No, not writing the ransom note in fingerprints... Nooo, not challenging the United Nations, that's only for the sharpest cookies... No no no, a sloppy blackmailer is one who forgets that the victim isn't supposed to know where the blackmailer lives. AHA! And have you seen any extortion-loving miscreants doing this? HAVE YOU? In this respect I have concluded after much research that Mike Bahr is dealing with a man of stealth. Stealth, ladies a gentlemen. We're talking a man who blends into his surroundings, then pokes you in the ribs and giggles like a five-year-old girl. I hate those kinds of men. If Mr. X really does live in that location Mike mentioned, then he deserves every punch, elbow, knee, chop, windmill barrage, and mule kick Mike can muster. Maybe The Bahr Estate could fly in some East Coast muscle like Mike Ostrich, you know, to flatten the extortionist bum like a fucking pancake, boyyyy. Go ahead, Mike, round up a posse, don't forget to scoop up the breadcrumbs on your way back. "I've got your son tied up in my attic. Send $5,000,000 to 4255 East Pinewood Drive in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, the small blue house on the corner with the white curtains and doghouse out front...OR I'LL KILL HIM. Sincerely, The Sneaky Blackmailer." As for Mike's reply, it's good to know no one can lift a finger to pick Mike's nose without his permission. Then I read Clark's reply to Mike. I thought it was hilarious. "I own the police" hahaha. Then I read Ptacek's reply. If that knight who refused to be beaten in "The Holy Grail" had a name, I suggest we nickname Ptacek with it. Otherwise we could always call that nameless knight "The Ptacek Warrior" or something... "Dude, don't give up! So their team has four more guys than us, so what!! Paintballs only hurt if you let them!!" "Straight up! Let's Ptacek these suckaz!" "Boy, you're really on the professor's bad side. Guess you'd better be nice and quiet the rest of the semester, huh?" "Fuck that. I'm going hardcore, this semester it's nothing but Ptacek." "Rocky! He's killing you! Throw in the towel!" "No way Pauly!" "Rock, you don't need to pull a Ptacek every damn time!" "Don't worry Pauly, I'm gonna roshambo him in the seventh round!" Then again, since I'm so behind in my reading, the issue could very well be closed by now. If so, I do not apologize, but threaten. Damn you all for finishing. I hate everyone, and more than that I hate everyone's hatred. And don't gimme none a that "I was all Ptaceked out, man," there's always a way to Ptacek an issue further. Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:19:08 EST From: HseJackBlt To: email_address_removed Subject: Yjam 3577 & Ty Tabor Message-ID: Can someone please forward Jam digest 3577 to me? Something happens on AOL every now and then, where I get a WINMAIL.DAT instead of a digest. Anyone pick up Ty Tabor's "Moonflower Lane" yet? I like it, but I think I like "Naomi's Solar Pumpkin" better. Real drums add a tremendous improvement though. I also got a postcard from Metal Blade on Monday for it. I found a FII promo poster while looking for Ty's album. It's about the size of a concert ad: too big to be a flat, too small to be a real poster, but I can't complain. Naga-noonch, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:45:11 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT Tour w/ Deep Purple Message-ID: > So all in all it wont be to bad, after all it is DT, but I was hoping >to catch them in a smaller venue again. Oh well it may still work >somehow. The DT/DP tour doesn't come 'til late in the summer and early fall. To my limited knowledge, Dream Theater doesn't have any dates scheduled yet for anything past roundabout...April or May. That's several months there of void, a void which could be occupied with another American tour or whatnot. Who knows? Brian "I pity the fool" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:51:43 -0400 From: "Matt Halloran" To: Subject: Portnoy at grammies and other Message-ID: It was a different Mike Portnoy, it was an artist from NYC that was hired as a back up dancer or something like that. How about The Chemical Brothers instrumental song having words...pretty crazy huh. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 09:20:54 +0100 From: David Branle To: email_address_removed Subject: Brussels yesterday Message-ID: I've since the best drummer in the world Incredible ! Concert was sold out Vandenplas performed a great DT-like opening act DT played 2 hours + of music Sound was good but the volume was too high Playing list was far different from the one seen on the list a few weeks ago I am looking forward to see them in festivals later this year David \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) +-----------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo----------------------+ | David Branle david@sopres.be | | Rue de Stalle, 65 B-1180 UCCLE | | Tel : +32 2 3701754 fax : +32 2 3761325 | | Rue Stanley, 37/5 B-1180 UCCLE | | Tel : +32 2 3470322 fax : +32 83 634162 | +---------------------------Oooo---------------------+ oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 03:43:22 EST From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: YtseJam Losers Message-ID: Getting tired of the bitching and complaining going on here: 1 - Young Guitar complaints I have heard so far: a) It's in Japanese. Duh. Music and tab doesn't have a langauge. I would rather have a bunch of cool music and interviews I can't read (although there are a lot of highlight words translated to English), than have a bunch of crappy interviews I can read and no tab that I am interested in. And can I read Japanese? No, but if I am interested in an article, I just scan in it and have the computer translate! It isn't perfect, but good enough. b) How can I do it for $36 a year? I didn't say that. I even spelled out that would be the cost to ship out 12 issues at $3 a magazine via Priority Mail. Simple Math. I guess a hard concept for others to comprehend! c) "I don't think Calvin is trying to scam" - how do I respond. I am just trying to set up something that would help a lot of people. Wouldn't exactly be a picnic for me to organize either? This brings me to the following point. I am withdrawing the offer of what I considered almost a "Community Service". Please no more requests for this. It isn't worth the pain of justifying what I am doing. It's funny that I can come in and offer to set up things up beyond simple trades and be condemned for it. SO JUST FORGET IT!!! Sorry to disappoint all those who have already responded, but I don't need to go through this crap. I guess sharing connections became a bad thing somehow!!! 2 - About the guy offering up the bootleg of what I believe was "Lords of Sound". It is amazing that you put a price on it "$50 starting bid", and those not interested just can't keep quiet. It is a simple concept. He had a rare disc that he wouldn't part with for less than $50. I don't understand why some Ytse Jammers feel the need to condemn other people. Giving your opinion of the album is okay, but then to say it isn't worth more than $50 is ridiculous. I feel sorry for this guy. He didn't deserve to be slaughtered for putting up an item he thought others might be interested in. 3 - Why is it so easy to rag on Yngwie? It is probably the easiest thing to do these days. He was always ragged on when I went to MI and I hated it. You guys say DT sold out because they have a different sound, and say Yngwie is stale because he has stuck with his sound. Seems like a no win situation to me. I tell you what, the next time you want to rag on Yngwie, include a jpeg picture of yourself along with your best recording. Judging by the fact that all the XXXL and XXL Ytse Jam shirts are sold out, most of the people putting him down wouldn't hold up to the same scrutiny. About the only criticism I could handle was the guy who said he has been playing the same solo since album one. I don't agree, but atleast he is commenting on the music not the man. Oh and the references to him beating up his wife and her having to wear heavy make up to cover it up, I don't know if this is fact or not. I met Yngwie before a gig, and he invited me in to watch his soundcheck, and then even let me play his guitar. Doesn't mean he may not have a dark side, but I didn't see it. I have a feeling his arrogance is more myth than fact. 4) Kevin vs. Derek vs. Jordan - I like this discussion (I should, I somewhat started it). This is much more constructive. So far the best comments I have heard is that just because Jordan is a keyboard stud doesn't mean he would be the best fit when it came to write music. The guy who said this is a fucking genius. Most intelligent thing I have heard yet. I also didn't know Jordan sight right some of the music and pulled it off though. Interesting fact to pick up out of this. Well, I would like to hear this debate keep go when LTE hits the streets. Jordan with Mike and Petrucci. I have always considered Mike, Petrucci and the keyboardist the key to the DT sound anyway. I am a guitarist, but damn what Mike adds to the song is incredible. Before I got my Japanese tab I was transcribing the albums complete and I learned so much about writing "Progressive Songs" by transcribing Mike's drums. I think his drums are a big part of the formula that qualifies DT as "Progressive". So back to Jordan. LTE is going to give a test of where DT might have gone if he came on board. No more speculation. If I were Derek, I would be a little "scared" about the possible opinions. Not to say I don't like Derek. From what I have heard I like him. 5) My Ibanez EX guitar sucks comment. I would like to withdraw that comment. I have only experienced three EX guitars and they all sucked, IMO. I have also experienced RG's that suck, but I think the wizard neck is the ultimate shred neck!!! So I probably made a bold statement based on a limited sampling. As far as the driftwood series (obviously supposed to be humorous), it is my understanding that it isn't basswood, but American Maple. Maple is usually a good quality guitar wood, but this is a low grade Maple. That would explain the weight also. Maple is a pretty heavy guitar wood. 6) And to all you holier than thou jammers that just seem to sit back and bitch, bitch, bitch about other people. Fuck off. Why don't you try adding something to the jam instead of just putting everything down? What are you a Freshman in High School? Putting down others before they put you down. What is the point? Just a sign of your own insecurity. Pretty safe over the net too, huh! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:37:44 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Jenny Batton Message-ID: >KorgX3 sez: >> Jennifer Batten is/was Michael Jackson's guitar player. I don't know much >> else about her, but that might give you an idea what her album might me >> like. >Um, no, Korg. :) Batten has serious chops. Pick up her album "Above Below >and Beyond" and prepare to be shocked. It *does* include a rippin' cover of Wanna Be Startin' Something, though. Trevor > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:37:50 +1100 From: graham boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YtseJam Losers Message-ID: Calvin 6S wrote: > Getting tired of the bitching and complaining going on here: It goes with the territory...... > This brings me to the following point. I am withdrawing the offer of what I > considered almost a "Community Service". yeah don't bother, you should have know your nest would get shat upon :) > I don't understand > why some Ytse Jammers feel the need to condemn other people. Giving your > opinion of the album is okay, but then to say it isn't worth more than $50 is > ridiculous. I feel sorry for this guy. He didn't deserve to be slaughtered > for putting up an item he thought others might be interested in. Yeah exactly, if someone wants to pay the asking price that is there choice. I paid more for my copy and I am glad that I have it. > Judging by the fact that > all the XXXL and XXL Ytse Jam shirts are sold out, most of the people putting > him down wouldn't hold up to the same scrutiny. ROTFLMAO, whoah....... :))))))))))) > Well, I would like to hear this debate keep go when LTE > hits the streets. Jordan with Mike and Petrucci. I have always considered > Mike, Petrucci and the keyboardist the key to the DT sound anyway. Fuck yeah, what I have heard so far of LTE is incredible, I heard some more tonight and it floored me. Those who were a little disappointed with FII are gonna go apeshit over this, Tony Levin's bass work is also great. graham ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:05:14 -0500 From: Chris Calabrese To: email_address_removed Subject: Hey, you're a dumb jerk! Message-ID: >>One last thing. This goes out to everyone. Yngwie is an excellent >>musician. He is very intelligent, and he started a genre of music. > >That's debatable. He adapted an existing style to a new instrument, >perhaps.... > Well, it is...a genre of music which really haden't been exactly sold a mass numbers for at least 100 years added to heavy metal and meshed together...with some really great songwriting. >>And it pisses me off to hear so many people putting the guy down. > >Then don't take it so personally. Yngwie can be an acquired taste. Don't >get so pissed off that everyone hasn't acquired it. > > I'm not saying you have to love him, but unless you're a little screwy it's not that hard to recognize talent. Dwight Yokum is an awesome guitarist. I don't like country music or his style, but I recognize him as a great guitarest and I respect him for that. >>I doubt ANYONE on Ytsejam can >>write and/or play at Yngwie's level (I will most likely get flamed for >>this) > >You will *definitely* get flamed for that. :) > I seriously doubt they can. I've been playing for a number of years and I've met many guitarists, young and old, and I've seen some close (none of them rock guitarists) but never all the way up there. >Why is it that *anyone* who likes a band is allowed to say so, but only >those of equal caliber to a musician are allowed to express *their* >opinion? I don't have to be a musician to know what kind of music sounds >pleasing to my ears, any more than I have to be a chef to know what kind of >food I like to eat. > Actually, I was able to open my mind up a lot more after I began playing and learning theory. In a way, it does matter and that makes you come off as an arrogant son of a bitch. >>Putting down a musician >>should be saved for unoriginal, untalented shit musicians like the guys >>from Bush, Green Day, and most importantly Kingdom Come! > >So basically, your whole post sums down to "People should be allowed to >bitch about music *I* like, they should only bitch about music that *I*= >hate". > No not at all. You're obviosuly just a dumb jerk who likes to draw conclusions. I simply said that anyone with half a brain should be able to recognize a good musician from a poor one, and those musicians should be respected even if not liked. >Personally, I really haven't listened to enough of Yngwie's music to pass >judgement on it, I just hate it when people start complaining about all the >complaining. Most of the reviews of "Facing The Animal" that I've seen on >the list have been fairly positive, so I'm not really sure what you're >getting so upset about anyway. > Lotsa people bash the guy. They say he's arrogant, and an asshole, and a wife beater. And look up some Yngwie interviews, reviews, and anything else about the guy and that's what you'll find about him! >What pisses me off is that you come across as one of the elitist prog-heads >that I really hate - the people who think that if the music isn't >technically complex, it isn't worth listening to. To me, those people are >just as bad as the people who won't broaden their horizons out from Top-40 >pap. > Again, you make yourself sound like a total idiot again. I like a lot of music that isn't COMPLEX such as Metallica, Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Boston, and Aerosmith. But...unlike you I'm not sheltered and I know what I'm talking about from experience, and I know when someone is totally unoriginal and untalented, and hence it is BORING! Do you to see movies that are repetetive and have the same plot over and over again? (If so, it explains a lot!) No! It's the same with music. Chris -- "Watch religion come and go, Watch corruption on their shows. Buy your silence money for blood, Out of the ark and into the flood..." - Bruce Dickinson "Lickin' the Gun" ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3578 **************************