YTSEJAM Digest 3555 Today's Topics: 1) Re: BMS, HK, LITS by PhReEkY dEeK 2) MIDI and PC by Chris Oates 3) Winamp and MP3's by email_address_removed 4) All sorts of stuff!!! by Michael and Melissa Bahr 5) 96 and 97 X-MAS CD'S !! by Dave 6) DTIFC checks by Michael Burstin 7) Re: BMS, HK, LITS, and Jap FII by Christian P Kremo 8) alt.music.dream-theater by Matt Stanich 9) Stratovarius live album by Arash Ashouriha 10) Re: alt.music.dream-theater by Rogerio Brito 11) Sieges Even Anyone? (NDTC) by "Mike Patrick" 12) HUH? by "Brian Reeves" 13) Steve Vai Tabs by Alan Estrada 14) Bass Player Magazine by "Nick Giannotti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:39:15 -0500 (EST) From: PhReEkY dEeK To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: BMS, HK, LITS Message-ID: >any other way JP could have got those low notes for BMS (I read somewhere >that the only song on FII he used a 7-string for was NM). JM could have >tuned to dropped D as well, or as I saw somewhere, could have used a >5-string bass. Also, the ending chord to HK is a Dsus4, which only sounds Just to let you know that JM uses 6-string basses almost exclusively nowadays, and has for a while. In WDADU, he's pictured with a 4-string MM Stingray, and there's a short clip of him playing what looks like a warwick thumb or dolphin in the LiT video, but that's all I'm aware of. - il ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:43:13 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: MIDI and PC Message-ID: Okay, here's my overview of MIDI on the PC First off: Interfaces You don't need both a card and anexternal rack module. THey'll do the same thing. A card will be cheaper, but won't offer stand-alone functionality and often some of the patch-bay capabilities (see below) A rackmount will usually hook up to one of the serial ports of your PC and they can offer anywhere from 2x2 up to 8x8 (in ports x out ports) and some offer daidy chaining for up to 16 x 16. I have the Opcode Studio64x (4 x 4) unit. I'd recommend staying away from Opcode. Their PC support is lacking and their tech support is staffed by trained baboons. I've been werstling with them over mysterious failures with my 64x for 6 months, and it finally turns out that if I turn off one check box in the setup program my problem disappears. Now, could they tell me this? No. I had to figure itout myself. As for other brands, Mark of the Unicorn makes a variety of interfaces, but like Opcode they are a Mac-primary company and so you'd wonder about their long-term viability and the quality of their PC drivers and support. Emagic makes an interface, but I hear it only works with their software. Those are the big guns for MIDI hardware. Not too great, but I'd probably recommend checking out one of the MOTU boxes. After all, even 4x4 is 64 MIDI channels, and that's enough for most pro-level work. Patchbay: The rackmount modules allow for some nice patchbay-like qualities. Things like: "Take the input from port one, and send it out to ports two and four, and add 3 to the Midi channel for port 4." Good for a live setting, as you can route your controllers to your sound modules and layer them and get things set up nicely. The patchbay on the 64x is failry primitive, but some of the others may offer more (such as realtime changing of notes or controller info) Next: Software Big question: How much do you like time sig changes? There's only one sequencer for the PC that handles them well, and that's Vision (by Opcode. See why I stick with them?) Of course, the program itself is hideously old, and is still a 16-bit application (read: crashes more and no nice features of Win95) All the others treat Meter changes as global info, so if you decide to extend a part early on in your song, you have to manually move all of your meter changes every time you do so. Yuck-O-Rama and more pain than it;s worth. Vision lets you assign Meter changes as local to a sub-sequence, so when you build a song you can just change your subsequences, re-paste them into your song arrangement and the meters will still be correct. Vision does not have Digital Audio for Windows, and possibly never will. The program's been out for 2 years and we've only had one bug fix update in that time. Other contenders if you don't need lots of meter changes: Logic (Emagic) -- really cool sequencing package. Has any sort of live patchbay filters you'd want in the program. This means you'll have to have the computer running in a live setting, but imagine being able to map your sustain pedal to a kick drum hit, so you can tap out bass drum patterns. You can do it in Logic. Originally for Atari, now pretty-much cross-platform Mac/Windows with only a slight Mac bias. Cubase (Steinberg): Another Atari convert, Cubase offers Digital audio with the PC soundcard for easy integration. Pretty neat. Like Logic, claims to be "object-Oriented" -- that means that you can shove a bunch of motes into an object and drag and copy them around as a unit. Nice, but if they only could put meters in there I'd be happy. CakeWalk (Twelve-Tone Systems) The only PC-Native contender in Pro-level sequencing. Has digital audio through a Sound card (or better, of course) but is pretty much a basic track-based sequencer. Probably the only one to support the most of the Win32 API. The others have custom windows for "cross-platform" look and feel unity. I think that covers most of the questions. As you might tell, I've dealt with MIDI software for a long time. (About 10 years now) Bottom Line: The PC market is still hurting in the MIDI area. The next few years should be a weeding out time as the Mac gasps its last and developers are forced to switch or die. If you rmain concern is to get music with lots of meter changes out RIGHT NOW and you can afford to more or less dedicate a machine to running your MIDI program (as I am) You might want to look at Vision, but I'd stay away from Opcode's interfaces, and probably look atht eMOTU ones (I was tempted to jump until I got mine working) -- if you want digital Audio RIGHT NOW and cross-platform capabilities, go for Cubase. If you want Digital Audio and the security of knowing that the program was designed from the ground up for the PC, go with Cakewalk. If you want some of the neatest real-time controls and some cool whiz-bang features, take a look at Logic. All of the programs have starter versions as well, and all that I've mentioned have a downloadable demo of at least one of their products for the PC. You can't save, but you can take a look at the interface and see what you like. logic: www.emagic.de cakewalk: www.cakewalk.com cubase: www.steinberg.de vision: www.opcode.com ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:58:18 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Winamp and MP3's Message-ID: Hey Jammers, I finally got around to downloading Winamp, and the five MP3's that I could find(Tears, CME, STM, TLF, and the MITheme), all I can say is WOW!!!!!!! Can someone please tell me if MP3's exist for Raise the Knife, Where Are You Now, and any other unreleased/rare DT. I saw the RealAudio files on Dr. Mosh, but who wants RealAudio now? I've never been impressed with the sound quality myself. Any help would be greatly appreciated. My hopes are getting rejuvenated by these people recieving the '97 DTIFC CD. I sent my check in Nov. '97, so maybe there is still a chance. PLEEEEEEEEASE! Keep jammin' Kez ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:29:00 -0700 From: Michael and Melissa Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: All sorts of stuff!!! Message-ID: OK it's fun time!! 1. My line is back as of tomorrow (Monday) morning. They finished the groundwork on it Friday, and it gets turned on at 6am Monday. I will gradually attack the huge mass of e-mail sitting in my inbox. 2. Prism Records web page will be extensively updated Monday, to include a full tracklisting to the soundboard DT 2-CD FII tour boot, which has been renamed from Welcome to the Wasteland to "Stream of Consciousness" which seemed a much better fit, and cover art changed. Don't worry if you used WTTW on your order form, I know which boot you meant. :) 3. PT and TDOW are shipping near current at this point. I'm into the Virtual Songs backlog at this time while keeping new stuff as current as I can. Stream of Consciousness will ship *ahead* of schedule. Oh what a landmark day... 4. CD-RW and CD-R drives: As long as you get a SCSI drive, either one is OK. Don't be suckered into buying an EIDE/ATAPI drive. The nightmares will literally never end for you. To get a proper system for reliably making CDs, you need a SCSI CDR drive (or CDRW) and a SCSI CD-ROM drive, one that supports extraction at 687k/s or better (most Sony and Teac 4x or better drives do this). Plus you will avoid a lot of headaches if you use an Adaptec UW-2940 PCI SCSI card or have it on your motherboard already. Once you have that, go to town. 5. The Wedding Singer is one hell of a funny movie! 6. I know DT has mentioned a summer tour of the States. Does anyone know anything more about this? Has there been any official announcement about it? I sure do hope they don't skip this entire state again. 7. Damn, the USA sucks at winter sports! Look at those Norwegians and Dutch and Germans... they rock! They get all the good medals!! :) At least we're getting SOME medals, but only a *few*. Anyone see that guy go flying off the course on the men's downhill? That was one spectacular wipeout! That guy's claim to fame, more so than if he had medaled! :) 8. Does anyone else here like to read the Dutch DT fanzine "Theater of Dreams" even though we don't speak Dutch, but because we can "kind of" understand what we're reading, and the mag looks so awesome? Every time I get a new TOD issue in the mail, it's like Christmas! And seeing PT reviewed in the last one, reminds me that I need to send them their Mosaics they ordered eventually! :) 9. I think Dream Theater should do instrumental takes on the themes from video games like Metroid, Zelda, and Faxanadu. Just my opinion. Hell, since you can capture their sound as WAV or MIDI with the emulators, I'm thinking of just changing the wavetable instruments to make them sound as much like DT as possible. 10. Have fun everyone, and don't let the winter freeze ya!! El Nino has arrived!! -- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:50:46 -0500 From: Dave To: email_address_removed Subject: 96 and 97 X-MAS CD'S !! Message-ID: hey Jammers. I've got a problem. The damn FC address change caused me not to get in a membership subscription in time to get the 97 X-mas cd! :< My freaking check got returned to me ! First of all, NO THAT IS NOT THE ONLY REASON FOR MY INTEREST IN THE FC ! I only found out about it at the end of 97 and I sent my request and check in as soon as I did. I've twice contacted Neil Elliot about this and he was very nice and prompt to reply, but..........TOUGH SHIT ! :P` With that said, does ANYone out there in YTSELAND have one or both of these CD's that they *might* not want ? I know that this is a long shot, to say the least, but I'm going crazy and I heard several people bitching about the 97 X-CD's content or lack of, on the JAM and I figure if you hate it so and are SOOOO disatisfied with it after all that waiting...why not turn it into a profit !! Hell, it WAS FREE !! All profit from it's sale !! Let me know (Privately please) Zildjian -tis better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt !! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:39:27 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: DTIFC checks Message-ID: Well, just wanted ot let people know that the DTIFC now does seem to be cashing cheks for membership (renewals). I send in my check after I got my CD in early Jan, had it returned back to me from the old address, sent it in to the new address, and jut got my bank statement yesterday, w/ the cashed check, so they seem to be back in business. -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: email_address_removed Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:38:20 -0500 (EST) From: Christian P Kremo To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: BMS, HK, LITS, and Jap FII Message-ID: > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:31:42 +1030 > From: "Woolcock" > To: "YtseJam Mailing List" > Subject: BMS, HK, LITS > Message-ID: > > > For all the tablature I have seen on the net for these songs, no-one yet > realises that they are all played in dropped D tuning!!! (IMO). I can't see > any other way JP could have got those low notes for BMS (I read somewhere > that the only song on FII he used a 7-string for was NM). JM could have > tuned to dropped D as well, or as I saw somewhere, could have used a > 5-string bass. Also, the ending chord to HK is a Dsus4, which only sounds > correct (using all strings) if the 6th string is tuned to a D. Obviously Actually JP uses a standard tuning 6 string on all 3 of these songs. The riffs are played in a way that would make you think that they are in drop D, but are really standard. In a normal "metal" 5th chord, there is usually the root, the fifth, and then the octave of the root. JP doesn't use the root for the beginning of BMS, and what is left over is still a fifth. When the verse kicks in, he uses the root because that is an E and doesn't require any weird tuning. As for JM, he pretty much always plays a 6-sting (when he's not using a STICK). The 7-sting songs on FII are NM and JLMB. I think that's all. Hope this clears it up. > -------------------------------------- > 1. FII w/ 2 bonus tracks > Who was the person that was offering to buy this and send it out to YTSE > Jammers if they sent him the money to cover? I don't have that email anymore, > but I am very interested. Please email me at email_address_removed. thanks!!! This was sold about an hour or two after I posted it, to the very first e-mailer. I'd just to say that I WAS NOT BRIBED! Yes, he did offer an additional CDR, but I did not ask for it, and either way he was still the first bidder. I told him I would sell it him and got my response before I had gotten any other e-mail on this subject. My friend Jeff accused me of being crooked about being bribed even though he didn't know the whole story (I hate it when people jump to conclusions and accuse). Anyway there is a good chance this store will get some copies, and if I see any, I'll post about it and sell to the first bidder, as usual. Sorry for my rant, but I don't like being accused of things that aren't true. -C# ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:20:06 -0500 From: Matt Stanich To: email_address_removed Subject: alt.music.dream-theater Message-ID: Hello- Anyone know what's up with alt.music.dream-theater?? Does it stil exist, is there a new DT newsgroup to go to? Matt Stanich ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:15:11 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha To: email_address_removed Subject: Stratovarius live album Message-ID: Hi Here some info for all Powermetal fans (not me ;)) : Statovarius will release a live 2 CD in March/April. The tilte should be "Visions Of Europe". I don't know if this album will be availible in USA are not. HAS ANYBODY HEARD THE BAND "BLACK JESTER" ? NP : Empty Tremor - Apocolokyntosys and Spock's Beard - The Kindness Of ... Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | OR | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | email_address_removed.de | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:08:29 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: alt.music.dream-theater Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Matt Stanich wrote: > Anyone know what's up with alt.music.dream-theater?? Does it stil > exist, is there a new DT newsgroup to go to? Well, I think that it exists. At least, I just downloaded a lot of stuff from it this weekend. And how much bullshit. :-) Oh, BTW, have you seen the results to the poll of Progressive Music of 1997?? They results were just divulged and there was a massive number of people voting for Marillion. Oh #2, Dream Theater also won one of the categories. :-) The most overrated band. :-) > Matt Stanich []s with diet signature, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:15:26 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" To: "DT" Subject: Sieges Even Anyone? (NDTC) Message-ID: Hey, I just happened across their web site today and liked the sound clips I heard (I only listened to those from the last two albums). I've seen them mentioned here before, but is there some general consensus regarding them? The singer mixed it up a lot (as did the whole band) but at times he sounded REALLY Germanic - overly in-your-face, that kind of thing (Ivanhoe comes to mind). Are they worth checking out? Email me privately if you want. Mike Patrick Indianapolis, IN email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:11:35 +0000 From: "Brian Reeves" To: email_address_removed Subject: HUH? Message-ID: What the heck - Did I get unsubbed? No jams since Thursday if someone wants to E-Mail me if they see this and let me know whats up. Thanx, Brian R ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:55:58 -0600 From: Alan Estrada To: email_address_removed Subject: Steve Vai Tabs Message-ID: Yes There's a book for Alien Love Secrets, actually Fire Garden has just been released, you can email the Greasy Stuff Mailing list for more info, They can help you ordering it, their email is email_address_removed There's a video for it too, it has videos for all the songs on the album and is just steve, the bass player and drums. pretty cool video if you like steve's playing, lots of close ups. >Yes, there is a tab book for ALS. And if I'm not mistaken, Steve also >put out a video for the album. Just him, a bassist and drummer. I've >never seen the video though. > >Of course, Steve's sight it down now for reconstruction. Maybe another >Jammer out there knows where you can order the book, or give a review of >the video. --- Alan Estrada Adler http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/2025 "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do your next." Monterrey, Mexico email_address_removed.mx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:53:15 -0500 From: "Nick Giannotti" To: Subject: Bass Player Magazine Message-ID: Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but there's a very good article in this months issue of Bass Player Magazine with John Myung. Nice, about three pages long. Check it out if you can. -Nicholas ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3555 **************************