YTSEJAM Digest 3551 Today's Topics: 1) Not read: Bitching and more.... by Pat Daugherty 2) Re: Ronnie Scott's by Adam 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3550 by "Adam Cook" 4) CD Carrier Pigeons by email_address_removed 5) MP3 PROBLEM!!! by Chris Calabrese 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3550 by "Richard A. Rivera" 7) mails lost !!!! by Arash Ashouriha 8) Empty Tremor samples online again !!! by Arash Ashouriha 9) Re: mails lost !!!! by Eckie 10) Re: CD Carrier Pigeons by Matt Johnston 11) no content by "Trevor W. Hoit" 12) DT review by Graham Borland 13) ATTN: all (eventual) professional, working stiff jammers... by Scott 14) Attention Yesfans by Lobsterback 15) Cairo by "Ville Rassi" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:22:09 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Not read: Bitching and more.... Message-ID: Geez Eddie Cooper... I can't believe you are that far behind in reading you mail!!!!!! It was months ago that someone posted the message that some mailers have to send an ack for... The jam never ceases to amaze me... |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:09:39 -0500 From: Adam To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Ronnie Scott's Message-ID: >JLB had food poisoning and ruptured vocal chords, and listen to the songs >on ACOS! Now, they may have been overdubbed, anybody with the actual boot >can tell me for sure, but if not, then JLB is fucking amazing. Ya, they were overdubbed.. It's obvious he was hatin' it that night from the boots of that show. I've always wondered if either LiT or LATM was overdubbed, but I don't think so since I've got shows from right around that time period (w/i a few days) and he was great. Take care... __________________________________________________ Adam Pye email_address_removed http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:51:50 -0500 From: "Adam Cook" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3550 Message-ID: ---------- > Subject: Re: DT interview, part 2 > > > JLB had food poisoning and ruptured vocal chords, and listen to the songs > on ACOS! Now, they may have been overdubbed, anybody with the actual boot > can tell me for sure, but if not, then JLB is fucking amazing. > I have the real boot. Most of the vocals on the ACoS live tracks are overdubbed and even some of the guitar parts are too. I wasn't paying too much attention but the other instruments may be doctored as well. I knew when I got the real boot of the show that the vocals might be overbbed on the ACoS EP but I didn't think the other guys would have to overdub too...oh well. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:59:30 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: CD Carrier Pigeons Message-ID: On the Eve of Good Oral Hygiene, Matt Johnston wrote: > This only happens if you're so stupid as to just slide in a CD without giving it even > a cursory cleaning. Are you talking about cleaning each individual envelope in the carrying-case or cleaning the cds? Would it make sense to stuff a bag of cotton balls into the carrying-case to wipe off each cd before it's inserted into the envelopes? Are you suggesting that cleaning my cd's with Allsop cleansing products once a month is nowhere near enough? What about vacuuming out the carrying-case envelopes? When are you going to say whether or not Case Logic makes a better product than a simple jewel case? Is a cursory cleaning where you scare all the bacteria off of something by screaming "FUCKSHITGODDAMMITMOTHERFUCKER" at the top of your lungs? Do people with Turret's Syndrome ever get jobs as cursory cleaners? If they did, could such a business ever hope to compete with the dry-cleaning industry? If you spill pretzels in a glass of "dry" beer, would a "dry" cleaning place be able...nevermind... > a plastic-on-both-sides pouch. Verdict? At least the Case Logic caught the dust > and trapped it in a little "pocket" away from the CD surface, while the zipLoc bag > gathered dirt, dust, pebbles (!), and all sorts of various shit. Which pockets are you referring to? Those little circular recesses in the backing surface? Those need to be cleaned with, and I quote Case Logic when I say this, the sticky backing of a Post-It note. They might trap dust and dirt, but even when they're sparkling clean they still aren't soft enough not to scratch the surface of a cd. What you said about dirt-catching pockets is the equivalent of saying Aquatred tires force water away from your wheels and leaving out the part about the tires having to touch the street. As for dirt, dust, and pebbles getting into a carrying-case, how could such things get into a closed case? Can I assume they got there because the case was open? Or did you rub the cds into a carpet or grassy knoll before putting them away? The only drawback to straight plastic is that the artwork on the top of disc itself may stick to the plastic and come off, depending on the quality of the printing job. But smooth plastic is less of a threat to a compact disc than the backing material used in Case Logic cases. > If you're not a complete slob, the Case Logic cases will do just fine. I am a complete slob. > but in general you'd have to continually put discs in, take them out, turn them in > nice cirlces to make sure they're all facing up, and general abuse the discs within > the case. Are you saying I shouldn't keep my discs in storage cases if I plan on taking them out regularly to listen to music, then putting them back into the case? When you refer to a cd "carrying" case, do you mean "carrying" or "storing for long periods of time?" Otherwise, the discs don't move within the envelopes. It is possible to put a disc into a case facing upwards so you don't have to do an impression of a 1985 dual-turntable record-scratching wizard. > Bafu must just be one of those people who can't stop touching his Spice Girls > CD (wonder why?) Probably the same reason Buddhist monks can't stop touching their wives. FYI: I own two 100-disc Case Logic carrying cases. They are both full. I will not be purchasing a third one until someone makes a case with backing material of silk or velvet. NOTHING BEATS AIR. (insert "yeah and you're really full of hot air today moron" comment here) Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:27:08 -0500 From: Chris Calabrese To: email_address_removed Subject: MP3 PROBLEM!!! Message-ID: I just downloaded every DT mp3 I could find on the web...I got about 16 of em. One problem though. 3 of them, all from rsabbs, Eve, TLF, and MI are all fucked up. And I already tried "uncook" and they're still fucked. I'm using winamp. Should I be using another program? Is there a way to fix these files, or are they just corrupted? Someone please help me! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:36:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3550 Message-ID: Hate to be an asshole, but could someone please send me the first part the DT interview? I accidently deleted the digest it was in. Thanks a mil. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:51:29 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha To: Danhanley1 , CHIPSTEREN , Subject: mails lost !!!! Message-ID: Hi Because of a very strange problem, 90 % of all mails in the lAST 3 WEEKS which were addressed to me are deleted and I hadn't any chance to read them :-((((( So please SEND ME YOUR MAILS TO ME AGAIN , if you have mailed me in the last 3 weeks. I'm very sorry about that but now I think (I hope ;-)), I will recieve all mails. Thank you very much. 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Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | OR | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | email_address_removed.de | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:18:40 -0700 From: Eckie To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: mails lost !!!! Message-ID: Arash Ashouriha screamed: > Because of a very strange problem, 90 % of all mails in the lAST 3 WEEKS > which were addressed to me are deleted and I hadn't any chance to read them :-((((( > I think your keys are sticky!!!!! Once you depress that delete key you're screwed!!!!!!! Just a thought... ;^)))))))) ~Eckieeeeeeeeeeee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: CD Carrier Pigeons Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 email_address_removed wrote: > >On the Eve of Good Oral Hygiene, Matt Johnston wrote: > >Bafu Vai > Good job... I mean it, too... you caught me flaming (oh my GOD! a flame on the YtseJam!), and I apologize if I offended you enough to actually respond to the post. You are right, the CD Jewel cas is the best protection. It's also the bulkiest and the heaviest, and the reason the guy who asked the question originally was having trouble in the first place. So, in lieu of velvet and angora carrying cases (you might wanna check Nordstrom's -- they may have those... ^_^), I say, (grin) go with most expensive one with the largest, cvoolest looking logo. I mean, if they put that much money int presentation, and it costs that much, it's gotta be good, right? ^_^ --Matt (almost humbled by the experience of having Bafu respond to one of my posts...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:35:29 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'Freaks List'" , "'DT'" Subject: no content Message-ID: Sorry for this post, but I'm looking for Jeremy Kube. His address email_address_removed doesn't work. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:29:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland To: YtseJam Subject: DT review Message-ID: One final thing from Nikki Brooks . . . it's her review of Dream Theater in London which was published in the January edition of Hard RoxX. ********************************************************** Dream Theater Review The Forum London UK, Tuesday 9th December 1997 By Nikki Brooks I've been waiting for Dream Theater (DT) to come back to the UK and play since their last gig here in early 1995. That's a long wait and many withdrawal symptoms. Ever since I heard their album "Images & Words" (IW) I've been hooked! For some reason, their lyrics are always relevant to my life every time they put out a new album, like a very strange coincidence (or is it?). First band on were Vanden Plas. I've not actually heard of them or heard any of their music before so it is a bit difficult to make a judgement. I would just say that I liked what I heard, but found their songs all rather similar in content. However, that could just be due to the fact that I don't know the songs and, with some bands, it takes a couple of plays of an album before things start to bite .... That said, they are all fine musicians and I think I shall have to listen to that album. VDP SET LIST Fire Blossom, We Are Not God, Soul Survives, In You I Believe, Rainmaker, You Fly. Tonight, however, I am here to see DT. As the time for them to begin got closer I was getting more and more excited as a massive roar went up from the crowd. I was invited to stand by the mixing desk by their sound engineer, Vinnie Kowalski. The intro tape was "Funeral for Queen Mary" (Henry Purcell) as adapted by Walter Carlos for the film Clockwork Orange which, incidentally, is now banned in this country although available everywhere else in Europe! They launched straight into "Lines in the Sand" from their new album "Falling Into Infinity" (FII) and I was falling into ecstasy. The guitar solo was killer (some of it like the slower melodic side of Alan Holdsworth and Derek Sherinian's jazz/fusion piano parts especially had me in a spin. With the Hammond organ and his Leslie amp, perhaps DT could cover Purple's Highway Star sometime? But who upset Mike Portnoy? At the end of the song he threw one of his drumsticks backstage and yelled at someone... James La brie yelled out "Hello London" closely followed by "Burning My Soul" (from FII and their single stateside) with its marauding killer bass lick, while Mike Portnoy tried to kill one of his cymbals. Next we had "Voices" from Awake which is simply brilliant, with James La Brie's voice alternating between velvety soft and brazenly operatic. I would like to hear him sing "Your Tiny Hand is Frozen" (from La Boheme by Puccini). "Under a Glass Moon" reflected on the band's IW album, with John Petrucci playing my favourite of his guitars, the pink, black and white abstract one with the "face" on it. John Myung then switched to a fretless bass for "Hollow Years" (new album again), while John Petrucci played the intro on electric guitar (back to the black and white abstract one). This is a hauntingly beautiful song. Next offering was a medley called Crack/Puppies which segued into part of "Innocence" from "A Change of Seasons" (ACOS). "Just let me Breathe" with its slightly eastern feel finished off the first half of the gig and saw James singing through a megaphone to achieve a slightly different vocal effect. In this song there are some reverse DT lyrics "Just close your mind, you can see what you need with your eyes", like "Close you eyes you can find all you need in your mind" (from "Take the Time" on IW). There is another song where they do something like this; if you listen you can hear part of the piano line from "Wait for Sleep" played in a slightly different timing in the middle of "Learning to Live", on IW. I would say that, standing near the mixing desk, the keyboards sounded a little quiet. However, during Vanden Plas' set I had been moving around the auditorium and noticed that the sound was different wherever one stood, so perhaps this was the reason. During the support slot, the best sound seemed to be from a little way behind the mixing desk.... The dark lyrics of "Peruvian Skies" began the foray into the second half of the gig, with John Myung again switching to fretless. James La Brie got the audience to sing the chorus of "Pull Me Under" for him, so everyone had a good time. Then yes, Scarred, from Awake and the lyrics to this one always get me going. I'd recognise that ride cymbal anywhere. Followed by "Winter" from ACOS. The beginning of Ytse Jam got a rousing response from the crowd and Mike "Let's Get Ready to Rumble" Portnoy went into his "Mega Octopus Mode" drum solo doing his impression of "Thunder on Earth" with added touches of percussion (bell and woodblock sounds). This crazy man could probably play the whole of the "drum chorus" from "Ritual" (Topographic Oceans, Yes) on his own! He really is, in my mind, the best drummer on the planet! All this AND he sings backing vocals live too, so he must have lungs the size of two planets .... I knew there was something different about "New Millenium" (FII) when I first heard it. Now I know why. This is the track on which John Myung plays Chapman Stick which, for the uninitiated, is a monster 10 string thing that looks like a guitar neck with no body and is held on by a sort of saxophone strap which goes around the neck and a hook which has to go into a belt. John Myung plays it mainly with the 8-finger method, using hammer-ons and pull-offs. I would definitely like to hear him play a solo on this instrument some time eg., a version of "Schindleria primaturus/The Fish" (Fragile, Yes) because I heard him play bass harmonics during Lines in the Sand. The seemingly seamless medley of "Sunset" (ACOS) into a little of Fortune In Lies (from their first album, When Dream & Day Unite) ended up the main set. The crowd didn't let them rest for long, with their yells and screams for more! Signals from a torch on stage led into the backing tape intro for Metropolis and the floor of the Forum turned into a bouncing sea of heads as the band took over on stage again. However, what happened next was the most entertaining bit of the evening, I think. Progressive rock is often portrayed as "pretentious rubbish" but this band can stick two fingers up to that comment, take the piss out of themselves and do it well. The last number on set list was "Nightmare Cinema" and so ..... everyone swapped around (except James La Brie). Yes I loved it. Derek Sherinian swapped to a silver sparkly guitar (what a showman), John Myung went on to keyboards (very successfully), Mike Portnoy onto chuggingly rhythmic bass and John Petrucci competently onto the drums! They played .... "Perfect Strangers" by Deep Purple. How they laughed as we laughed with them, although Derek didn't get to do "guitar face" because he didn't do a solo (maybe next time Mr Sherinian?). John Petrucci even dropped one of his drum sticks which he deftly caught again when James la Brie threw it back at him. Yes they really CAN play as good live as they do on the albums and they do it with gracious ease. They can even swap around and play silly buggers. It's very refreshing to see this in the midst of so much sweeping musical virtuosity (they have ALL been to Berklee College of Music)! For any of you who wondered what the tape was which they played while we were waiting for DT, it is called "Liquid Tension Experiment" and features James la Brie, Mike Portnoy, John Petrucci, Jordan Rudess and Tony Levine (King Crimson). Covers include songs from U2, King Crimson, Galactic Cowboys, Fates Warning, Iron Maiden, Rush and Mr Bungle. That should be quite a collectors' item if it actually gets a commercial release OK, Ytse Jammers, do your stuff! DT SET LIST Lines in the Sand Burning My Soul Voices Under a Glass Moon Hollow Years Crack/Puppies ACOS II, Innocence Just Let Me Breathe Peruvian Skies Pull Me Under Scarred ACOS IV, Winters YSTE Jam (Drum Solo) New Millenium ACOS VII, Sunset (Fortune in Lies) Metropolis "Nightmare Cinema" *********************************** Graham -- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:34:03 -0500 From: Scott To: email_address_removed Subject: ATTN: all (eventual) professional, working stiff jammers... Message-ID: I have been debating getting some custom ties made. I am thinking about using DT logos or scenes from the album covers. Something like the "mirror" section from Awake for example. These would probably be silk or some other decent blend, and designed to look professional; hence you can wear them for business or casual events. A little something to show your support! Anyway, I am in the process of contacting manufacturers to get price estimates and order size requirements. I am guessing that they will be somewhere in the range of $20 to $35, depending on interest. Please email me at either: email_address_removed or email_address_removed and let me know what you think. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:43:13 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Attention Yesfans Message-ID: There's a live cybercast of a December Yes show tonight (Feb. 12) on Rocktropolis (http://www1.rocktropolis.com). 8PM, Eastern-time I'd assume, since that's the *correct* time after all. Brian "Siberian Cat-poo" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:02:31 PST From: "Ville Rassi" To: email_address_removed Subject: Cairo Message-ID: Has anyone heard of this band?I was in a record store today browsing through cd´s and heard some amazing music coming through the store speakers.I asked them what it was and they said it was a band called Cairo.They said that it was their new album.They are on the Magna Carta label.I´m definitely going to buy it immediately when I have some cash.It was just that good! -Vilzu- P.S.Finnish jammers, chack out a band called Waterfront Weirdos.Believe me, it´s worth it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3551 **************************