YTSEJAM Digest 3522 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Chaos Theory by Graham Boyle 2) Chill Mike by Jon Kretschmer 3) Yes, Queensr?che, DT by Bernardo Pulgar 4) silence by email_address_removed 5) Any demos??? by Peter Tatischev 6) Kyuss/Sadist/Spocks Beard by NGA 7) Re: Dr. Galeekawitz by Albert Balkiewicz 8) SV: Maiden's Virtual XI Setlist by "Wille Raab" 9) Re: A Change of Seasons & Dead Poets' Society by alex fraser 10) John Myung interview by Eric Desobe 11) Musicality of the Jam by Stephen Dedalus 12) Re: Weed and the 7 string by "Christopher R. Merlo" 13) BTTF by "Christopher R. Merlo" 14) Review: Run Faster (NDTC) by Mark Jeffrey McEuen 15) drummers by "Ville Rassi" 16) Scarred Records web site deleted??! by "Ryan Whitaker" 17) Re: Musicality of the Jam by Matt Johnston ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:38:24 +1000 From: Graham Boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Chaos Theory Message-ID: Jeff Keifling wrote: > > >>is looking for a new name. I have no idea what the new Chaos Theory > >>sounds like. > > Early last summer I did a net search on Chaos Theory and came across a page > with sound samples. They were... Rap / hip-hop or something. I'm not sure > exactly the proper term, but whatever they were I couldn't figure out why a > mailing list of DT fans were raving about them. Hmmmm... The Chaos Theory we here are talking about are definitely prog. go to : http://www.netwiz.net/~vertigo/ click on music and down load the mp3 files of Chaos Theory demo's and you can hear for yourself that they definitely prog. I believe that the band will be changing their name to avoid this type of confusion that seems to made you think they are a (C)rap/hip hop band :) graham ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:07:30 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Subject: Chill Mike Message-ID: To Chris: If youre gonna refer to me, my name is Jon. I dont know any Joe here : ) To Mike: Since the beef about your boots seem to have been between me and Chris primarily, and we have settled in in private email, I think you can back off. I dont think its quite what you think, in terms of you thinking that Chris is bashing you again. There was a hell of a lot of miscommunication about a lot of nothing too important. I think we're all just a little pissed off for a bunch of reasons, looking for a way to let it out. My excuse is midterms, whats yours? Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:25:51 -0800 (PST) From: Bernardo Pulgar To: email_address_removed Subject: Yes, Queensr?che, DT Message-ID: >Who is this Trevor Rabin guy??? >Greeting, Ewald I am still wondering who was it that suggested Trevor Rabin as a suitable substitution to Chris DeGarmo in Queensrÿche. HA! For those of you who do not know who this guy is, well, it revolves my stomach to pronounce this name. This guy was a member of Yes when Demi-God Steve Howe left the band in 1981. This South-African (very skillful, by the way - don't get me wrong) is the worst thing that could ever happened to Yes. The best band in the world changed drastically. His injection was a nightmare to our ears. Yes has never since been the same. Trevor Rabin brought his commercial influence, and being very capable (plays guitar, keyboards and sings!) started to take over the roles of different musicians within Yes. Without Rick Wakeman and Steve Howe, the band simply was reduced to the efforts of nearly a single man. Yes albums with Trevor Rabin are '90125', 'Big Generator, some of 'Union' and 'Talk' are better called Trevor's solo albums, backed with exceptional musicians. Jon Anderson fades in the background, Chris Squire in a nobody and Tony Kaye is a shadow. It was very sad to see the band perform in such a poor condition. TR took control over the band: in 'Talk' he sings as much as Jon Anderson, programmed most of the keyboard parts, leaving Tony Kaye to play just the organ, and it is rumored that he even played most of the bass parts! If those recordings had been by TR alone, they might have been OK, but measured by Yes standards, you just think NO, this sucks! Yes was a band of 5 musicians getting the best from each other. Mind you, 'Close to the Edge' is THE best Yes ever. They were in constant push and pull to get their ideas into their recordings. Yes were 2 bands into one: in one hand you had Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, Alan White and Steve Howe; on the other Rick Wakeman (the closest thing to a GOD). You can't ask for more. Enter Trevor Rabin and it went down the drain. Yes went from being a band regarded a the highest standard of musicianship to the best example of 'nil' music. If TR is to go to QR, then I can predict Michael Wilton and Eddie Jackson hanging their instruments and Geoff, you're going to shut your mouth... QR better stays as a four-piece. Christopher R. Merlo wrote: >You Yes fans that have OYE and KTA I and/or II, are they worth it? I've got Keys to Ascension I and all I can say is Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes.... You don't have it? Many Yes fans disagree with Yes putting out trillions of live recordings, but this one is slightly different. The live songs are the ones that count: The Revealing Science of God America Onward Awaken What a list! They're played superbly, the sound is amazingly good and there’s an introduction to America that really soars, and the bass lines in Onward are played by Steve Howe in acoustic guitar. Chris Squire and Steve Howe provide the perfect background to Jon Anderson’s celestial voice, whilst Alan White is nothing but impressive. Chris Squire is back in full with the wonderful playing that he’s been known for. It’s good to have him back! Rick Wakeman is the low point of the concert. His playing is good, but the keyboards don’t sound that much. He tries to recreate those incredible textures of his old synthesizers, but today’s keyboards are just too weak, IMO. The 2 studio songs are more or less OK, but they’re not impressive. Steve shines though, and I thing that they needed to get in contact with Eddie Offord to achieve better atmospheres. Just yesterday I saw KTA II for just 35A$ (almost 23 US$). Can’t wait till payday! Now Playing: Tangerine Dream: Pergamon Regards, BP No Sig! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:39:12 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: silence Message-ID: I maybe an ass but a good learner. Thanks for all your supportive and encouraging mail. I'll work on my brbrbrain to learn to understand this thing called sarcasm, work on my grammar and will not interfere with(or In?) discussions I don't get. To end this I'll just place the 3rd verse of the poem and will not speak up until asked or I got sort of news. Important news. I hope you accept that and will forgive me :). 3. That age is best, which is the first, When youth and blood are wasrmer; But being spent, the worse, and worst Times, still succeed the former. SchnippX PS: In the liner notes it says indeed Tim May. Don't know whethet that's a pseudonym. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:03:51 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev To: email_address_removed Subject: Any demos??? Message-ID: Heya, jammerz!!!!! I am pretty much sure that a lot of you guys have got bands that you play with... So, if you are not afraid that anyone would steal the ideas you have, and if your band has a homepage with some mp3-clips, why don't you post the URL over to the jam, I am sure that a lot of people would be interested in listening to what other DT fans out there are up to??? Don't you think so? Well, I am really interested..... If you don't have a page, but have a clip and are not afraid to let me listen to it... maybe you can send it to me, huh? But, please, if you can mail me the clip, please, write me a simple e-mail first, cause I don't want my mail box to be fool of HUGE letters, that would take me LONG to d/load them all... thanx ==========================================================\/ ....Every day you fight a battle /\ Don't give up and call it fate.... \/ Stu Hamm "The Urge" /\ The maintainer of the unofficial Stu Hamm site: \/ http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch /\ IRC: Hammman ICQ:425-8962 \/ =========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:12:10 +0100 From: NGA To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Kyuss/Sadist/Spocks Beard Message-ID: Hi all Three more new albums up for review. I think Spock's Beard has been done here before, so I'll do that one last and try and keep it short. So, here goes. KYUSS - Queens Of The Stone Age Not really new stuff, but rather unreleased tracks, together with the so-called Gamma Ray tracks (nothing to do with that awful German power metal bunch, don't worry). But anything from Kyuss is always worth listening to, and this album is no exception. The first track is a cover of the old Black Sabbath song 'Into The Void', and I'm sure Ozzy himself would be proud of what the boys from the desert have done with it. Hard and very dirty. Then comes 'Fatso Forgotso' which features Kyuss doing that which they did best - jamming like no other band ever did. No fancy stuff, just pure, simple in- your-face rock'n'roll that makes/lets you forget bands like Metallica and Megadeth. No posing, no wanking. Tracks like this are the reason why Kyuss is one my favourite bands. The three tracks that make up the Gamma Ray sessions are more sort of spaced-out, tune in, turn on and drop out stuff - laid back and relaxed, the ideal music for a couple of six packs (shame I've stopped boozing for a few months). I doubt if this album will win any new Kyuss fans, but it's a must for anybody else who misses them. Desert rock lives. 10/10 is the only possible rating. SADIST - Crust Major line-up changes in this Italian band since the last album 'Tribe'. A new singer, a new drummer and a new bass player, but the guitarist/keyboarder Tommaso Talamanca is still there and still writing everything, and the music is still 100% Sadist. How to describe this? Think very aggressive - think of some mad scientist turning Phil Anselmo and Rob Flynn into pit bull terriers and then mating them - that aggressive. Endow the bastard puppy that ensues from this encounter with the ability to play very fast hardcore music with a huge dose of progressiveness and sickness. Now add some very atmospheric and relaxing keyboard work, together with some cool jazz elements. Nearly there. Now enter the cookie monster, who's been gargling with sulphuric acid, and who's just got out of the wrong side of the bed and stubbed his toe on the door. Take all of this for a big roller coaster ride and you've got Sadist's new album. Brilliant, weird and very original. Loose one point because the album is too short and costs full price (only 37 minutes for 10 tracks). 9/10. SPOCK'S BEARD - The Kindness Of Strangers Neal Morse is simply a fucking genius. How else can his ability to write such amazing songs time after time with seemingly little effort be explained? Sure, this stuff is as complex as hell, yet it all sounds and feels so simple. The complexity just grows naturally, you could almost say progresses. You don't get complex bits stuck under your nose saying "hi' I'm very complex and a wonderful example of how very clever my composer is". There is a lightness and freshness to this music that is sadly missing from a lot of other so-called progressive stuff, a kind of childish naivety that makes me smile. I don't have to try and convince myself that Mr. Morse and Co. are having fun playing this music - it is so blatantly apparent. Nothing on this album sounds forced or contrived, no flashiness for the sake of being flashy (go listen to Michael Romeo's solo effort if that's what you want). And the wonderful unadulterated sound of Hammond organs, Mellotrons and those gut-shaking Rickenbacker guitars. Yet another boner-inducing stonker of an album by Spock's Beard. Shame I can't give more than 10/10. stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) (http://www.realdoll.com) Currently playing: Moonspell - Sin Pecado ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:11:40 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dr. Galeekawitz Message-ID: > (though I like my buddy's solo on the track). Anyways, mail me > privately, and I'll get you that shitty sample, or let you know when > I have something current and acceptable. Let's keep MY music off the > jam, for now at the very least. :) > Don't request any of Ptacek's stuff - haven't you heard that he's sold out, dammit? What's wrong with you people? -Al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:41:58 +0100 From: "Wille Raab" To: Subject: SV: Maiden's Virtual XI Setlist Message-ID: > I don't know if this setlist is real or just an invention by Mr. Bayley > but it's what I've got. Have you/anyone heard any of these songs? > 5. WHEN TWO WORLDS COLLIDE (MURRAY/BAYLEY/HARRIS) 6.13 Something they should know a lot about, after the switch between Dickinson and Bayley... ;-) Really love moste songs Harris and Murray have written; might be something to look forward to! // Moose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:25:17 -0600 (CST) From: alex fraser To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A Change of Seasons & Dead Poets' Society Message-ID: > * 7:07 - "Carpe Diem, Seize the day" > * 8:12 - "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may (...)" yeah, we covered these already. ;) > * 9:48 - a lot of samples start here, but they are hard for > me to take note of them, especially because I don't > speak English and have problems understanding spoken > words. But at 10:01, there's something like > "something happened (...)", which I don't remember > from the movie, but which I guess that is from one > of the tragic accidents there (I won't say exactly > what it is to avoid spoiling the fun of those who > haven't seen it). this is... (ahem!) in the FAQ as well. i don't remember off the top of my head what movie it's from, but it's not DPS... so if you would like to know what it is from... Check the FAQ! Wonderfully maintained by Chris Merlo! Anyhoo, so like i was saying yesterday, there's all of ONE, maybe two samples from DPS in ACOS. Thank you. -id ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:37:36 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Desobe To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: John Myung interview Message-ID: I read the John Myung interview and was struck by the part about Kevin leaving (though it wasn't said like that). John seemed somewhat emotional about the topic which is interesting because other than JP's piece about Kev in the FAQ and occassional other lines in the Fan Club mag, no one mentions much about the emotional aspect of Kev leaving. Obviously the music was going to change, obviously the musical direction would be different, but what about other things changing. The guys grew up together in every aspect. To hear JM mention in the article what sets Dt about from other bands is the chemistry, well think what the band felt when Kevin left? As we all have been listing goosebump Dt moments, the majority of them involve works with Kevin. I just wish the guys would talk about that part of it more, it is fascinating. Take the time. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:46:58 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Musicality of the Jam Message-ID: Hey flamers, I know this has probably been talked about before, but I either wasn't here or don't remember it. Since the Jam is full of so many musicians, why not create a compilation tape, just among ourselves, of like one piece of material each? I know that, due to the complementariness of Bafu and Mads that I'd love to hear there stuff, but I'd also like to hear anyone else who has maybe a 4-track copy of some of their stuff. We'd just have to make sure it all was copyrighted. Maybe one of the jammers with a CD'r could even put it all on CD. Come on, people, let's hear it. Be well. Matt B "That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:24:41 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Weed and the 7 string Message-ID: > Hello. just cought part of a discussion about smoking bowl after > bowl....then someone said that the person who smoked has a problem that no > one can help them with. I'm sure if Tim Leary or Tom Petty or someone came > on the jam and talked about puffing, no one would tell them that they had a > problem. Pot is pot and someday we'll be goin' to wallgreens to buy the new > Kamel J's lights in a box with filters and a stoned camel on the front. > Just let it happen...no one's ever od'd on weed. thank you. The original post said something like "If James smokes pot, then I'm going to start!" I was the one who replied and said that that person has problems. I will not have the pot debate here (I've never tried it, and the pot defenders often tell me that I should before I denounce its use. Whatever) but I *will* restate that anyone who starts using pot (or alcohol, or cigarettes, or heroin, or guns, or explosives, or...) because they think that it will make them as cool as some celebrity, has problems that we can't help with. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:30:25 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: BTTF Message-ID: > - the guitar solo of BACK to the FUTURE is done by Tim May not Eddie Just wanted to clear up any confusion about this. The scene when Marty is in George's room and wakes him up with a tape labeled "EDDIE VAN HALEN" in the walkman... that's really Ed playing. "My name is Darth Vader! I am from the planet Vulcan!" (I used to be a really big fan of those movies. :) As for the guitar solo during the dance, I don't know. Tim May sounds as good to me as Brian May. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:30:46 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen To: email_address_removed Subject: Review: Run Faster (NDTC) Message-ID: Hello all.... I just received my copy of Ryan Whitaker's latest Rush project, "Run Faster", and I was just blown away. What he's done is to take a boot from the RtB tour (entitled "Run From the Fans") which was recorded to slowly and speed it up to normal. The sound quality is absolutely amazing - I couldn't believe I was listening to a bootleg. The only bad thing about it is that it's only one disc. If you're a Rush boot collector, you definitely need to check this out. All the information is on Ryan's web page: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2236/ Mark McEuen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:45:39 PST From: "Ville Rassi" To: email_address_removed Subject: drummers Message-ID: >I would also like to know who >your favorite drummers are (you don't need to say Mike Portnoy, >that's a >given) Some drummers who have really influenced me: Lars Ulrich(Hey, don´t laugh.He got me into drums, but when I developed and realized I was better than him, he wasn´t much of an influence anymore)Mike Portnoy, Simon Phillips, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta, Paul Craddick, Jason Rullo, Jörg Michael. On other note, I ordered some cymbals last thursday and they should be here on monday.Here´s what I ordered.They´re all from Sabian: 18" AA Medium Thin Crash,17" AAX Stage Crash,8"AAX Splash,10"AAX Splash and an 18" HH China.Life is good... :-) -Vilzu- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:03:08 -0600 From: "Ryan Whitaker" To: Subject: Scarred Records web site deleted??! Message-ID: <19980130180538.AAA2398@hombre> Welp, it looks like Geocities has decided to delete my page. Which really sucks. I'm going home for the weekend and upon getting back I will find another place for it. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, everybody. And I sure hope I won't be contacted by the RIAA sometime soon. If you need ordering information or you want the entire web site sans graphics in a zip file, e-mail me and I'll have a copy off to you Sunday. I'm still in business, so if you ordered a disc, don't worry, it's coming. Take care, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Musicality of the Jam Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Stephen Dedalus wrote: > >Hey flamers, Hey Matt. > I know this has probably been talked about before, but I either >wasn't here or don't remember it. Since the Jam is full of so many >musicians, why not create a compilation tape, just among ourselves, of >like one piece of material each? I think it'd be great. How many pieces would a project manager be lookng for? And how long a maximum time should there be? Straight up 2-track audio tape mixes of the songs, or Zip-disk digital copies? ^_^ A lot to think about... If it was done over the summer, I could probably compile the CD on Zip-disks or something and send it off to somebody like Mike for proper "mass" production. So how about this? I'll put my bid in for project manager on this. I've dealt with large-scale productions of real-life things before (I published -- don't laugh -- a moderately successful collectable card game), so I'm experienced with compilation of large files, organization, etc. I'm going to be using my computer as a mixing station for my band. I have a TEAC 4-track (I wish I could remember the name -- it's a mid-range PortaStudio), so if you wanted to send four-track pre-mix tapes, I could mix for them (I have the following software -- DECK II 2.6 with many plug-ins, SoundEdit Pro 2). I have the hardware (a Mac 6500 with a 3 gig and Zip Drive) to properly (with some limits) produce the pre-master sound files and send them off to a guy like Mike (not necessarily Mike) to be replicated. I'd have the following restrictions: Songs no longer than 9 minutes. This is a size thing, not something I would decide If I had, say a Jaz Drive. So, if you think I'm qualified enough (or if you don't want to persue any other options ^_^) I volunteer to do the job above. >I know that, due to the >complementariness of Bafu and Mads that I'd love to hear there stuff, but >I'd also like to hear anyone else who has maybe a 4-track copy of some of >their stuff. We'd just have to make sure it all was copyrighted. Maybe >one of the jammers with a CD'r could even put it all on CD. Come on, >people, let's hear it. Be well. >Matt B I love the idea, personally. There was a suggestion floating around a while ago concerning a tribute CD. Why not? Pick a song and go. (Of course, if we decide a tribute CD would be cool, and since 10 versions of Metropolis would be a bit redundant, we might have to work on a first-come-first-served basis for tracks, or perhaps a battle of mp3 clips or something) IIRC, tribute CDs are fairly protected under copyright law... It'd be fun, and a one weekend commitment (maybe a little more ^_^) for each group/artist/jammer. I'd like to do it. --Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3522 **************************