YTSEJAM Digest 3521 Today's Topics: 1) New Guy by Robert Wisniewski 2) To Ptacek by "Aaron High" 3) KTA's WORTH IT by "D. Frantz" 4) Speaking of Rabin by "Gene Szucs" 5) I have a minor gripe by NuGgeTMaN 6) Lars: not funny, and not very well thought out. by Michael Bahr 7) Ok now!!! by Michael Bahr 8) Topic by "Trevor W. Hoit" 9) Re: To Ptacek by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 10) Michael Romeo by "Trevor W. Hoit" 11) Korn by Paul Dyer 12) Because of a misunderstanding or two by email_address_removed 13) by NuGgeTMaN 14) I'm so fucking stupid! by NuGgeTMaN 15) ICED EARTH, Simon Philips II ; Keith Emerson by Vito Staedler 16) Chaos Theory by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 17) Re: Ok now!!! by Michael Bahr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:53:11 -0600 From: Robert Wisniewski To: email_address_removed Subject: New Guy Message-ID: Hey, what's up?!?! My name is Jeremy and I am new to the YtseJam digest. Anyone know when Dream Theater will be playing in Texas? Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:54:34 -0600 From: "Aaron High" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: To Ptacek Message-ID: <01bd2d43$8ac580a0$fd252581@high1> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD2D11.402B10A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Remove the stick from you're collective asses! (and put some strings on = it) I was challenging Chris for some fun. That's it. I wouldn't have = bothered if I thought he was a mediocre guitarist. =20 To all that play the instrument: =20 Haven't you ever been at a party and just sparred chops with someone? = It's a lot of fuckin' fun! Get it?=20 Haven't you ever seen 'Crossroads'? Lighten up. Bottom Line If Chris is a better player than me, then I'm sure I can learn something from him. And vice-versa. You're all to used to bitchin' and moanin' on this list. =20 Is that really how you want to spend you're time? AAH ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD2D11.402B10A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Remove the stick from you're = collective asses!=20 (and put some strings on it)
I was challenging Chris for some = fun. =20 That's it.  I wouldn't have bothered
if I thought he was a mediocre = guitarist. =20
To all that play the = instrument: =20
Haven't you ever been at a party and = just=20 sparred chops with someone? It's a
lot of fuckin' fun!  Get it? =
Haven't you ever seen = 'Crossroads'? =20 Lighten up.
Bottom Line
If Chris is a better player than me, = then I'm=20 sure I can learn something
from him. And = vice-versa.
 
You're all to used to bitchin' and = moanin' on=20 this list. 
Is that really how you want to spend = you're=20 time?
AAH
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD2D11.402B10A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:01:43 -0600 (CST) From: "D. Frantz" To: email_address_removed Subject: KTA's WORTH IT Message-ID: >>You Yes fans that have OYE and KTA I and/or II, are they worth it? Although OYE isn't my favorite of their numerous styles it's a good disc. As for the Keys discs, they're a must have for any fan, and put to rest any rumor that the classic epics are not extinct. -Frantz- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:24:33 -0500 From: "Gene Szucs" To: Subject: Speaking of Rabin Message-ID: <01bd2d0d$0ead38e0$d2d2430c@geneszuc> I just picked up the Con Air soundtrack the other day which he helped compose. It's really some interesting guitar work, and some real heavy compositions! He's also doing the music for the new film Armageddon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:58:28 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: I have a minor gripe Message-ID: Maybe I'm alone on this one, but I get a TON of survey results from the LSOAR homepage, and a lot of them want "up to the minute" info about DT, bios, images and stuff like that on the page...is it just me, or does this TOALLY defeat the purpose of the ring??? I guess I could throw current DT events on there, but to me it seems kinda pointless. Anyone have any ideas? _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* ^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^ ^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^ ^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^ ^ would have 4 sharps. ^ ^ "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) ^ ^ Eric Moegling: Manager for "Lifting Shadows Off A Ring" ^ ^ and "Progressive Genius" ^ ^ The Dream theater and Progressive Metal WebRings ^ ^ HOMEPAGE - http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN or http://www.wezl.org/lift ^ ^_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:02:42 -0700 From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Lars: not funny, and not very well thought out. Message-ID: Hi all. I couldn't wait for the phone line replacement... I'm that addicted to the net... so here I am at 2400 baud. And boy, you all better hope this never happens to you. I can fix myself a sandwich while web pages load. Thank God by 5pm on 2/3/98 (can you tell I'm counting the minutes), I'll be back with a new line. And what do I see on the Ytsejam but a post of humor at my expense from Lars Hellsten. Lars, you probably meant it all in good humor (though I doubt this by the tone and rhetoric of your post) but if you were in front of me right now, I'd fucking kick your ass. I don't know how public it had become, but the difficulty Melissa and I are having trying to get her pregnant is NOT public joke material. I have to optomistically assume it was a stab in the dark, but the realist in me knows that gossip has ways of getting around. The rest of the post was mainly directed at my own foibles, which I can take because I'm used to being shat on in public, but when you poke fun at my wife, you're toying with a demon, dude. As Neil Peart himself said once, "That had NO class. That was NOT moral, and it was NOT funny." I have to hope to assume that you're just some punk kid, because every adult knows that you just don't toy with other people's married lives in public. It simply isn't done. And finally, given as how I sell Lie singles for whatever the market demand will bear, I fail to see how you can twist such a thing into an insult directed at me. Everyone and their dog wants a Lie single. They're rare as hell. They seemed common a few years ago, but just try getting one *now*. Good fucking luck. When I offer one at $25, and about 50 people offer to buy it, I know that the price was too low comparable to demand. If I offer one at $30 and only five people offer to buy it, I know the price is just about correct, comparable to demand. The fact that you don't understand these simple economics makes me believe even more firmly that you're just a punk kid. As for Kevin selling his Subcon disc... good for him. He'll get paid whatever demand warrants. Subcon is the oldest of the 500-disc boots, and is thus quite difficult to find as an original silver. You can bet there is a hardcore DT collector in Japan or Europe or South America who will gladly pay Kevin the $100 and will be happy they didn't have to pay $200 for it!! I know these people, and I know how they think. The Europeans, Japanese, and South American collectors are incredibly dedicated; they want EVERY CD, every piece of memorabilia they can find, whether it's tickets, guitar picks, T-shirts, etc. And they will pay whatever they have to in order to get these things. Finally, about me saving the DT Lie single to my hard drive. I want to make this clear here and now. I have not, do not, and will not ever, pirate any of DT's material. I have an original Lie single in mint condition and you'd better believe I'm keeping it. I will never copy any official DT CD for anyone, ever. Period. End of story. For most people, nobody would care. But since I've been a vocal proponent of bootlegging as opposed to piracy, this matters here. DT themselves know that I, like the collectors I spoke of above, want each and every CD I can get. Sorry to everyone else that my only post this week will have been one of flames and bullshit, but hey, at least I didn't have anything to say about METALL!CA!!!! :) :) Take care everyone! -- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:35:13 -0700 From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Ok now!!! Message-ID: Chris, this is the THIRD time in less than a month that a big debate has surfaced on the Ytsejam about my bootlegs, COMPLETELY independent of me (I didn't even have net *access* while THIS one started up) and once again I see you're at the center of it. I thought you were going to do the honourable thing and drop it. I already have. All this stuff is starting without a peep from my side of the fence and you're jumping in there with guns a-blazing. And I'm sure it's pissing everyone off. You look for the slightest thing posted about anything I do, and then you start a flame war over it, whether I'm there or not. This is so totally sad... I don't know really what more to say at this point other than that I know I can't trust a damn thing you say anymore, particularly when you're agreeing not to start shit on the Jam. I would have thought that you could at least honour a promise you made less than two WEEKS ago to let this shit slide. -- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:11:13 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'DT'" Subject: Topic Message-ID: Maybe Kevin Moore should join Queensryche. Discuss. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:19:49 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: To Ptacek Message-ID: On the Eve of Destruction, "Aaron High" said: > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BD2D11.402B10A0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Remove the stick from you're collective asses! (and put some strings on = >it) >I was challenging Chris for some fun. That's it. I wouldn't have = >bothered >if I thought he was a mediocre guitarist. =20 >To all that play the instrument: =20 Hey Aaron, stupid boy, turn off your MIME, your ignorance is no longer funny... I challenge you to figure out your mailer!! -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: email_address_removed #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:26:30 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Michael Romeo Message-ID: >Subject: Michael Romeo=B4s solo album. >Does anyone is this album just guitar playing or are there other=20 >instruments too? >-Vilzu- Well, of course there were other instruments, but I know what you mean. Because of the nature of the solo cd, it was mostly focused on the guitar. I wasn't that impressed with it, but I don't play guitar, so what do I know? Anyway, I'd rather listen to a SymX cd anyday over MR's cd which I beleive is called The Dark Chapter. I don't know if I helped anyone with this post. :) Trevor =20 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:13:00 +0900 From: Paul Dyer To: email_address_removed Subject: Korn Message-ID: Korn are shite...the extra string is pointless (for them!!)....they detune to the point of floppy strings sticking to the pickups and it sounds like trash! May as well use bass guitars for that! Now Playing: Korn - All Day I Dream About Practice :) Cheers Paul D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:55:34 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Because of a misunderstanding or two Message-ID: LISTEN UP! This last thing Joe and Pat and I were arguing is 2 things: 1). NOT IN ANY WAY RELATED TO THE ISSUE OF BOOTLEG PRODUCTION (i.e. Mike Bahr) 2). NOT worth arguing about. All I was doing was saying that people have an OPTION to save some cash by looking into getting CDR copies of "now out of print" bootlegs and such that some of our "more capitalist" ytsejammers are selling at "interesting" prices. That's it. There's no reason that there should be a debate over that. My views on what's important in a cd/package and someone else's really have no bearing on each other. I was just offering a suggestion. I've already gotten mail from people who think I'm starting the Bahr debate again... and this is not the case. DO YOU HEAR ME, MIKE BAHR? :) Okay... that should clear that up. > From: Rick Audet > Subject: Re: To Ptacek... > > Aaron High wrote: > > Hey Ptacek, > > How about cuttin' heads, cyber-style? > > Make a short (30-60 sec.) Mp3 of some solo > > stuff. Make it available to anyone interested, > > and I'll do the same. Consider yourself challenged. > > I cannot begin to describe how much amusement you people on this list > provide for me. But my question is: When did Chris boast about his guitar > chops? Or did I miss that post? All I remember was Bafu praising Chris' > 8-finger frenzy. Anyone up for a peeing contest? Hah. LOL Thanks Rick. I would have skipped that message altogether, because of the weird HTML shit (and that's nothing personal to Aaron... it's just general policy on my part). I have not said anything about my guitar playing except to tell Bafu that I learned a few new tricks, and to tell everyone else that I was undeserving of Bafu's compliment (I thought Bafu was at least as psycho, if not a good deal more solid of a player). About cutting heads: I'm not into that sort of thing. I'll be happy to offer you the clip I spoke of in my last post, or any newer material I make, but I just don't see value in playing a 30-60 second shred lick to attempt to burn someone down. There's no way that anyone on this list can play everything that I do, and there's no way in HELL that I can play everything that someone else plays. If you're that interested in hearing me play, catch me on IRC, and we'll set something up... but let's kind of take issues of MY GUITAR PLAYING and move them to MY PRIVATE E-MAIL box. This is not a forum in which I'm comfortable discussing what "Chris Ptacek" can play. Whether you realize it or not, there are members of famous bands that you guys all listen to who read this list regularly (we're a musician's soap opera)... I'd have to be a moron to try and attempt to claim some kind of guitar mastery on this list when there are guys here who I still idolize. It's embarassing. Take it to private e-mail. "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:03:00 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN To: Multiple recipients of list Message-ID: 1. Both appeal to the masses, but are scorned by the mis-informed 2. Both are married 3. Both have listened to DT at least once in their life. 4. Both have similar Slogans: "If ya don't like it, don't listen" "If ya don't like it, don't buy it" 5. Both wear dark glasses, have dark flowing hair, and are beanpoles *Disclaimer* This is SARCASM all flames will be sent directly to hell.com without even touching my router. If ya wanna reply to the jam...I take NO responibility if Skadz kicks you off for being stupid. As for Mike...:) Cheers dude _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* ^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^ ^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^ ^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^ ^ would have 4 sharps. ^ ^ "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) ^ ^ Eric Moegling: Manager for "Lifting Shadows Off A Ring" ^ ^ and "Progressive Genius" ^ ^ The Dream theater and Progressive Metal WebRings ^ ^ HOMEPAGE - http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN or http://www.wezl.org/lift ^ ^_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:04:32 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: I'm so fucking stupid! Message-ID: oh yeah...that list was supposedta be 5 ways Mike Bahr is similar to Howard Stern (I meant to do this...really I did) Baba-booeys to all of you! _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* ^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^ ^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^ ^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^ ^ would have 4 sharps. ^ ^ "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) ^ ^ Eric Moegling: Manager for "Lifting Shadows Off A Ring" ^ ^ and "Progressive Genius" ^ ^ The Dream theater and Progressive Metal WebRings ^ ^ HOMEPAGE - http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN or http://www.wezl.org/lift ^ ^_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:00:09 +0100 From: Vito Staedler To: email_address_removed Subject: ICED EARTH, Simon Philips II ; Keith Emerson Message-ID: <34D19699.2A49@alcatel.ch> >Somebody whose name was lost through multiple replies inquired: >> >Do you guys know ICED EARTH ? >> >My favourite album: THE DARK SAGA. >> >Someone else who likes them? That was me... ;o) >..I saw 'em play for the first time >at this past year's Dragon*Con and they put on a *hell* of a live show Did they play something of the 'Burnt Offerings' album? That album kicks ass allso. There's a murder-song on it which is allmost 15mins long!! Simon Philips: -------------- Thanx to everybody replying on my question. I've ordered the new album now.. The ones who know me, know that Im a fanatic keyboarder. Now I heard that Keith Emerson should be really good. I went to the local music store, and the only thing they had got, was a double-CD of Emerson, Lake and Palmer. A bit too much for the beginning. Now I'd like to know, which album, where Emerson plays, would be the right thing for me... 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I have no idea what the new Chaos Theory >>sounds like. Early last summer I did a net search on Chaos Theory and came across a page with sound samples. They were... Rap / hip-hop or something. I'm not sure exactly the proper term, but whatever they were I couldn't figure out why a mailing list of DT fans were raving about them. Hmmmm... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:43:53 -0700 From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Ok now!!! Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > It would be a frugal, and perhaps wise idea to look into getting a > cdr copy of a bootleg, rather than paying $100 + for it. Well, as a *music* listener, I totally agree. But in this case the collectors want what they want. And they want first-printing, original etc etc. As though it were a basketball card, etc. Those with the means... I'll say this. I'd pay up to and including $200 for a mint-condition unopened Dream Theater 3" Tears CD from Japan. Not even Mike Portnoy has one. Why should I do this when I have Xmas CD '96 and Tears is right there on it? Because I want that original CD. For reasons totally illogical and irrational. > I DID drop the issue because you did. And if you bring it up again,> so will I. But I respect your wishes not to debate this on the Well, uh, exactly. My point was that all this shit came up on the Jam, and not only did I not "bring it up", but I had no net access at all! And yet somehow I log on and there you were at the center of it. It may be just a big mistake, but you gotta admit that it had the same look and feel to me as when you see a kid standing next to a kool-aid spill. I'll back off and assume you meant no harm. > Do you understand what's going on now? Do you realize that this is > more a mixup than anything else, right now? Look back at my posts on > this issue. They have nothing to do with boot production... it was > just a thought that people might consider in order to save some cash > (at NO ONE'S EXPENSE!) For some reason, there is a really high value on silvers... this is nothing I generated myself, for indeed wouldn't my business be better off if nobody cared whether it was silver or CDR... so to them it's not a matter of saving cash, but a matter of getting an authentic item. Personally, I am always bewildered to see ANYTHING I've made sell for more than its original asking price. After all, they're *bootlegs*. But supply and demand works. And people will always buy what they want. > Respond to this. You have to see eye to eye with me on this > (whether you agree with what I said, or somehow, disagree). Fair enough. I'll look at it as a mixup and a crossed signal, and retract my previous statements. I'll go ahead and drop this now (especially since I won't be online again for another 5 to 6 days). :) -- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3521 **************************