YTSEJAM Digest 3506

Today's Topics:

  1) Fwd: Aol is canceling unlimeted access in March. Sign this petion and send it on.
 by "Richard D. Urban Jr." <email_address_removed>
  2) Re: I suck
 by Graham Boyle <email_address_removed>
  3) Echolyn CD's available!
 by Bernardo Pulgar <email_address_removed>
  4) Lie
 by Lobsterback <email_address_removed>
  5) Re: 'Re I Suck' 
 by email_address_removed
  6) X-mas CD
 by Dominique De Jesus Oliveira <ddjo@mhnet.fr>
  7) Apocrypha-NDTC Are you kidding?
 by "Trevor W. Hoit" <email_address_removed>
  8) Re: Fwd: Aol is canceling unlimeted access in March. Sign this petion and send it on.
 by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh)
  9) Solos, wanking and showing off
 by Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
 10) Beer Logic (Joke Message) <NDTC>
 by email_address_removed (Mark Lampert)
 11) Re: RE: DT in Festival !!!
 by email_address_removed.de (Ties Goebel)
 12) Metallica vs. DT
 by CLARK ABEL <email_address_removed>
 13) DT Movie/Musical Phenomena
 by Christian P Kremo <email_address_removed>
 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3505
 by GELPH <email_address_removed>
 15) Metallica & poker dogs
 by Matt Stanich <email_address_removed>
 16) Were you denied oxygen during birth? 
 by AL <email_address_removed>
 17) More rankings-
 by Matt Stanich <email_address_removed>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:12:56 -0600
From: "Richard D. Urban Jr." <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Fwd: Aol is canceling unlimeted access in March. Sign this petion and send it on.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


To all AOL members, Jammers with AOL friends and those who give a shit
about people keeping their word.  I'm not even a member and I'm pissed
at this.  They entered into a
contract, and they don't want to hold up their end.  Figures!   I cut
this portion out to save the JAM's bandwidth, so just cut the below, and
copy the subject and FORWARD this to everyone you know.  Hey, maybe we
can JAM AOL's system.


Original Message reads.....
Forwarded Message: 
Subj:   ***Don't give in!!! AOL TAKING AWAY UNIMITED!!!***
Date:   97-12-26 23:08:30 EST
]From:   Wilbur4034
To:     Derek716, Solo775, Tyler4SF, AYCrane777
To:     Tngarrison, BigGabe78, PhatBoy239

DON'T GIVE IN!!!    

AOL IS TAKING AWAY UNLIMITED ACCESS AT THE END OF MARCH. BY FOWARDING
THIS
LETTER TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, YOU ARE SIGNING A PETITION FOR
KEEPING
UNLIMITED EACH TIME. AOL HAS AGREED TO LET US KEEP IT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE
"SIGN"
IT SO PLEASE PASS IT ON! I AM AN EX-AOL EMPLOYEE SO BELIVE ME. I WAS
FIRED
FOR
TRYING TO STOP THIS!!! 

>?>?>?>? THANKS, EX-AOL GUY ?>?>?>?>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:25:56 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: I suck
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Chris 'I am a great guitarist, just ask me' Ptacek wrote:

>         Okay, now everyone point your index finger at the "graham" above,
> and repeat after me: "You're being a dick."  There... I feel
> better... do you?  :)

Thats the pot calling the kettel black, isn't it :) ?

BTW: Latest news is that Symphony X finally realised just how ordinary
guiarist Michael Romeeo is and have replaced him with the far more
talented CC DeVille :)

cya's
graham

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:05:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Bernardo Pulgar <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Echolyn CD's available!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hi
After reading many a post here about Echolyn, I decided to check
with my provider Cranium Music. Richard Stockwell (from Cranium) has
confirmed to me that he's got a small supply of Echolyn's titles
('As the World' and' When the Sweet Turns Sour') available. I
ordered their 2 CD's available, and they're due to arrive after
Cranium receives a pair of CD's by an Italian band from the 70's
called Il Rovescio della Medaglia, from whom I will post something
as soon as it gets here!
So, going back to Cranium Music, you can reach them in:
www.cranium.co.na
Or contact Richard Stockwell:
richard@cranium.co.nz
I can't remember, but I think the prices are about 25$A (about
18US$, plus shipping, of course).
See ya all!
Currently listening: Chris Poland-Return to Metalopolis
Call No. 2: does anybody know what ever happened to Zebra?
When is DT coming to Australia???????
BP
No Signature!






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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:51:38 -0500
From: Lobsterback <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Lie
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>> > I'm surprised that no one else has posted this yet.
>> > 
>> > I just returned from seeing Spice World at our new 25 theater complex
>> > here in town. Wow, not only was it a 4 star movie, but the use of
>> > CIAW during the chase scene really made the flick worth seeing again.
>
>Please someone else back this up or would the cruel original poster just
>admit he was joking, please?  I fully intended to see this movie anyway,
>but DT and Spice TOGETHER?  THAT would RULE!
>

You've been told an untruth, son.  Saw the movie tonight and the song
during the 'chase scene' wasn't anywhere close to CIAW.  Funny that I
listened for it though...

Brian "Gullible" Henderson

===========================
Name:
 W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
 email_address_removed
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 http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:29:36 +0000
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: 'Re I Suck' 
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> Chris 'I am a great guitarist, just ask me' Ptacek wrote:

	When have I ever said I'm a great guitarist?  I'm merely a fan of 
great guitar!

> >         Okay, now everyone point your index finger at the "graham" above,
> > and repeat after me: "You're being a dick."  There... I feel
> > better... do you?  :)
> 
> Thats the pot calling the kettel black, isn't it :) ?

	No doubt, in my mind.  But does my own blackness detract from the 
fact that you're on pot?... err... rather, that doesn't mean I can't 
call em as I see em. :) 

> BTW: Latest news is that Symphony X finally realised just how ordinary
> guiarist Michael Romeeo is and have replaced him with the far more
> talented CC DeVille :)

	Kick me in tha balls again please.  I want some more!  Take care, 
bro!  :)



"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
                                       - Dennis Miller   

Chris Ptacek 
email_address_removed
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:12:37 +0100
From: Dominique De Jesus Oliveira <ddjo@mhnet.fr>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: X-mas CD
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.fr>


Hello all Dm Fans,

I've heard many times about the X-mas CD.
Does Anybody can tell me about it ?

Thanks.
Dom

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:31:55 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <email_address_removed>
To: "'DT'" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Apocrypha-NDTC Are you kidding?
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=message_id_removed>


Does anyone know anything about the band Apocrypha?
I saw them in the Shrapnel catalog.
Any descriptions or recommendations appreciated.
Thanks
Trevor
email_address_removed

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:33:44 -0800
From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh)
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Fwd: Aol is canceling unlimeted access in March. Sign this petion and send it on.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


On the Eve of Destruction, "Richard D. Urban Jr." said:
>
>
>AOL IS TAKING AWAY UNLIMITED ACCESS AT THE END OF MARCH. BY FOWARDING
>THIS

YAY!!! Maybe we'll get rid of half the noise on this list... 

Or maybe the list will just crash again and conveniently unsubscribe just the
AOL people... :)




-The Doc

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:37:32 +0100
From: Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Solos, wanking and showing off
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.de>


Hi there,

I can't believe that a discussion about soloing can go on this long
without anybody mentioning FRANK ZAPPA.
I don't care about a solo that's hidden in a song and tends to ruin
the flow of the music - but I love solos that stand out as improvised
songs themselves... Shut up and play yer guitar! <- take this as an
advise and as the reference album for guitar-solos.

BTW: recently there was a discussion about soloing on the Phish newsgroup
and someone mentioned the following: [excerpt from mail:]
Frank Zappa wrote about how many soloists, including many in his band, would
play what he termed "Volcano Solos."  These are the typical solos on
starting quietly and low in range, then building it up louder, faster, and
higher in pitch, until the soloist finally climaxes or the volcano erupts.
This, Zappa claimed, was a completely sexual technique used by musicians to
get the blowjob after the show.  He felt it was a cheap and musically
boring technique. I kind of see it as playing straight up instead of going
sideways and exploring different dimensions.

It seems that the members of Phish have come to realize this for themselves
and are exploring the more sideways jamming instead of the straight up
jamming, and i think that's a good thing.  [snip]

Something to think about!? I'm not quite sure about DT, but most of the
solos seem to be of the Volcano-type...

my 2/100 ECU - jerry :--)

StoP caLcUlaTiNg ThE vAluE oF dReaM TheAtER sONgs MaTheMatICalLy 
oR wE WiLl coNtInUE To KIll oNe CeleBrITY EacH WeEK.
- theRe ARe nO SkIinG "aCciDenTS".

---------------------------------------------------------------
Andreas Schaefer                                   jerry@muc.de
  ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:41:39 -0600
From: email_address_removed (Mark Lampert)
To: "Ytsejam" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Beer Logic (Joke Message) <NDTC>
Message-ID: <01bd2b29$4b84f4a0$message_id_removed>


Ahoy,

                Here's some stuff my brother forwarded to me recently:

B E E R   L O G I C
A herd of buffalo can move only as fast as the slowest buffalo, and when the
herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are
killed first.  This natural selection is good for the herd as a
whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps
improving by the regular culling of the weakest members.  In much the same
way the human brain can only operate as fast at the slowest brain cells.
Excessive intake of alcohol, we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally,
it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first.  In this way, regular
comsumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, constantly making the
brain a faster and more efficient machine.

BEER TROUBLESHOOTING FLOW
-------------------------------------------------
SYMPTOM: Beer unusually pale and tasteless.
FAULT:   Glass empty.
ACTION:  Get someone to buy you another beer.

SYMPTOM: Opposite wall covered with fluorescent lights.
FAULT:   You have fallen over backward.
ACTION:  Have yourself lashed to bar.

SYMPTOM: Mouth contains cigarette butts.
FAULT:   You have fallen forward.
ACTION:  See above.

SYMPTOM: Beer tasteless, front of your shirt is wet.
FAULT:  Mouth not open, or glass applied to wrong part of face.
ACTION:  Retire to restroom, practice in mirror.

SYMPTOM: Feet cold and wet.
FAULT:   Glass being held at incorrect angle.
ACTION:  Rotate glass so that open end points toward ceiling.

SYMPTOM: Feet warm and wet.
FAULT:   Improper bladder control.
ACTION:  Stand next to nearest dog, complain about its house
training.

SYMPTOM: Floor blurred.
FAULT:   You are looking through bottom of empty glass.
ACTION:  Get someone to buy you another beer.

SYMPTOM: Floor moving.
FAULT:   You are being carried out.
ACTION:  Find out if you are being taken to another bar.

SYMPTOM: Room seems unusually dark.
FAULT:   Bar has closed.
ACTION:  Confirm home address with bartender.

SYMPTOM: Taxi suddenly takes on colorful aspect and textures.
FAULT:   Beer consumption has exceeded personal limitations.
ACTION:  Cover mouth.


                                                           ·  • Colonel
Mustard • ·


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:53:08 +0100 (MET)
From: email_address_removed.de (Ties Goebel)
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: RE: DT in Festival !!!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.de>


Hi!

Hitomi Iwai wrote:
> Arash Ashouriha wrote:
> > Hi
> > I read this on the Vanden Plas page :
> > ----------
> > Festival in France April 98
> > Bands : Dream Theater, Vanden Plas, Angra and many others !!!
> > ----------
> > Has anybody more informations about this ?
> I've heard this festival will be held on the 17th of April. But I'm not sure
> this date is correct. And as far as I know, the bands who will appear to
> this festival are DT, VANDEN PLAS, ANGRA, and STRATOVARIUS. Wow! DT and
> ANGRA!  I do wanna attend to this festival......!!

The festival will take place in Bourges, France, on april 16th and/or 17th
(I don't know exactly, I will put it on The Web Thing (adress below) when 
I know more). Dream Theater, Angra, Vanden Plas and probably Stratovarius 
will be there!
And probably I'll be there, too. :-)

Take care,

Ties

-- 
The Web Thing - Vanden Plas Internet Site: 
http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/vp/vp.html


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:13:39 -0500 (EST)
From: CLARK ABEL <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Metallica vs. DT
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


	I kind of skim most of the discussion of Metallica selling out without
much interest anymore, since I just can't seem to make myself give a damn 
about them one way or the other anymore.  I used to be a big fan but I really
don't have any desire to listen to the old stuff anymore so I doubt I'd find
much to enjoy in Load (which for some reason I bought, but never listened to
much) or Reload (which I have no intention of buying).  
	But what I'm wondering is why when Metallica makes an album that's 
different from everything they've done in the past, they've sold out, and 
when DT does FII, they're just "maturing" and "playing from the heart" and
"trimming the fat"?  Sure Metallica's new image is sickening, but does anyone
really think that if they just wanted to sell albums Metallica would have 
done something so drastically different?  I know everyone says "Metal is 
dead", and supposedly Metallica knew this and tried to cash in on the
alternative thing, but does anyone really think they wouldn't have sold ten
bajillion albums even if they had just written another [insert the name of 
your favorite Metallica album]?  And how hard would it really be for them to
write that same album again?  Not very.  Alot of guitar players on this list
could do it for them.  
	Now what about Dream Theater.  Well, yeah, their new album had lots
more "commercial" songs on it too, but they're not really commercial, they're
just "mature", right?  Ok, and maybe they are a *little* more commercial, but
c'mon, they've got families to feed, right?  I love the way everyone on this
open-minded list defends everything DT does and turns around and criticizes
Metallica for doing exactly the same thing.  (Yeah, I know, it's not really
everyone, or even close to everyone, but we've all seen both types of posts 
from the same people).  I'm certainly not defending Metallica here, like I said,I don't think I could possibly care enough to.  But what's the difference,
really, between what they did and what DT did?  Metallica's old songs tended 
to be on the long side.  Maybe James wanted to write material that was more 
"concise", so he "trimmed the fat".  Yeah, that's it.
					-Clark


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:32:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Christian P Kremo <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: DT Movie/Musical Phenomena
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> I see real potential here. But it's gotta have music by the spice girls. if
> what i read is true and ciaw was in spice world, all we can do is return
> the favor. In fact, let's have NO DT music at all in the movie. I think DT
> should cover spice girls songs. They'll definitely sell more CDs this way.
> Now, how to get DT to get into those short, tight skirts...

	Can you just picture KJLB singing "I'll tell ya want I want, what
I really really want..."

> Please someone else back this up or would the cruel original poster just
> admit he was joking, please?  I fully intended to see this movie anyway,
> but DT and Spice TOGETHER?  THAT would RULE!

	Actually I am ashamed to admit that I saw this movie and whoever
posted that CIAW was in there was INCORRECT in two aspects.  First of all,
if CIAW was in there, I sure as hell would have remembered it, but it
wasn't in there.  Second, he mentioned that it was a 4-star movie.  Maybe
if I was completely drunk off my ass I would give it 3, but sober I'd say
only 1.578

> The difference between DT and Metallica is that DT got more mature on =
> FII, while Metallica got juvenile on Load and ReLoad. :P ;)  Load and =
> ReLoad are the musical equivalent of that dogs-playing-poker painting.
> 
>      ~Chris

	People have said alot about Metallica since Load came out, but
this hands down has to be the most accurate and hysterical!

> 5) The one guy on the list that just showed up and thinks Paramount is
> producing "DT vs. EastWest:  The Neverending Story."

	Actually I've been on over a year already, and it was just a joke.

> 7) The people that think the Lie single actually EXISTS.  Someone is
> laughing long and hard about that one!

	I've got one...next time I have dialysis I'll trade you it for a
kidney, or something equally life saving.

	Here's a bit of DTC...has anyone ever noticed near the end of Anna
Lee (don't have the CD handy so I can't put forth a time)  there is a
high sounding slinding descent that whenever I am in my car makes me think
of a police siren, and hence I slow down and look all around to make sure
I'm not being pulled over.  Am I the only one who has noticed this?  There
is a similar thing on Helloween's Chameleon.  There is part in "I Don't
Wanna Cry No More"  that always makes me get up to see if the phone is
ringing.  Just curious to see if anyone knows what I'm talking about.

	I had another question, but I think I'll just check the FAQ so as
not to start another debate.   Ciao.

-C#


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:06:14 EST
From: GELPH <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3505
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



Hey fellow DT lovers.....
I'm trying to get ahold of Kevin Moore's "stuff".  I've tried his so called
web page "Chromakey.com" but don't seem to get too far.  Could be my blondness
coming out, could be that the web page is fried.  Either way, I'm dying to
hear his solo stuff and would be most appreciative to anyone who could point
me in the right direction.  Thanks in advance all you studs!!

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:11:45 -0500
From: Matt Stanich <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam <email_address_removed>
Subject: Metallica & poker dogs
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


"musical equivalent of that dogs-playing-poker painting."

Hey I relly like that painting;) (but not Metallica)

Matt Stanich

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:19:36 -0600
From: AL <email_address_removed>
To: YTSE Jammers <email_address_removed>
Subject: Were you denied oxygen during birth? 
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


What is with this mathematical rating system? Was the author of this
Ridiculous idea tortured as a child by being forced to listen to endless
hours of congressional testimony?  I just don't get it.
If you were to contrast ANYTHING Dream Theater ever recorded against
the mainstream top 40 Spice Girls type drivel, DT would rank a 10 +++
So tell me, where does the Sperm Dump Girls rate mathematically?
You should learn to appreciate what the boys in DT have done for the
progressive music scene, with the level of talent DT has, they could have
easily gone the way of Def Leppard in the interest of monetary compensation.

--
See ya,   AL...

Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems
http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:21:50 -0500
From: Matt Stanich <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam <email_address_removed>
Subject: More rankings-
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hello All-

	Here is an idea. If you want to rank your stupidity, you can see how
many of the descriptions you fit, then rank them w/ numbers by how
closely you fit, and finaly giver each a reletiver stupidity ranking.
now add up your total score, and divide by the number of total points,
and find out how close to totally stupid you relly are. Have fun:)

	Matt Stanich

P.S. "Muhahahahahaaaaa!!!" - thats perfect.

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