YTSEJAM Digest 3470 Today's Topics: 1) Re: echolyn - admirable and missed by Stephan Dobay 2) Re: Echolyn by Jon Byrne 3) "Lights!" / Big Medley by Joe DeAngelo 4) Mumblings and Jumblings by Nigel Bridgeman 5) Videos by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" 6) Re: Bass solos by Sunnyde25 7) Monster Rancher/DT/Prog Connection? by CRAIG GRIFFITH 8) Re: echolyn - admirable and missed by Rogerio Brito 9) FII Demos... GOOD! by Mark Philpot 10) Fates by Marcelo Vanzin 11) FS: Enchant CD (NDTC) by email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) 12) Re: Fates by Rogerio Brito 13) Bass solos (again) by "Nick Giannotti" 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3469 by Brian Larkin 15) re: Met II by yzzy 16) RE:Meshuggah by Bryce Kelaart 17) A Cornucopia Of Lively Trinkets by Uroborosss 18) Re: Holy birthday, batman! by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3468 by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:56:40 -0200 From: Stephan Dobay To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: echolyn - admirable and missed Message-ID: At 13:51 01/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >> They *have* agreed that if you do want the albums, there are >> people (like myself) who are more than happy to tape them for you. >> please: do NOT make CD's of these. You have *no* idea what about of >> repercussions will be apon you. > >Wow. I had a lot of respect for the guys in Echolyn, until now. Why? Because they are honoring their contract with Sony? That's pretty silly. Besides, they are cool with you having tape copies, it's not like they don't want the music out there. Speaking of getting the music out, echolyn was the only progressive band I have ever seen that were cool with people taping. That's right, both audio and video. I find that extremely admirable, and something I wish Dream Theater would adopt. Stephan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:19:05 From: Jon Byrne To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Echolyn Message-ID: At 01:51 PM 1/17/98 -0800, someone wrote: >> They *have* agreed that if you do want the albums, there are >> people (like myself) who are more than happy to tape them for you. >> please: do NOT make CD's of these. You have *no* idea what about of >> repercussions will be apon you. > >Wow. I had a lot of respect for the guys in Echolyn, until now. Uh, why exactly would you lose respect for 5 guys who don't want people violating copyright laws and potentially getting in deep with a multi-million dollar corporation who made their lives a living hell? Explain this, please. Jonathan Byrne, 2L; WV University College of Law Album Reviews, Race Results, Commentary, and More at: http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We could've made everything we wanted to make So we made 'Wheel of Fortune' and all the popular songs We made a land where crap is king And the good don't last too long." -Neal Morse, "The Good Don't Last", Spock's Beard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:27:09 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: "Lights!" / Big Medley Message-ID: >I can't seem to find out what James shouts between the first >and second songs on The Big Medley. It starts with "Lights!" and then >it's >difficult to hear. Can anyone help me out? I'm not sure about the end part.....but I believe the rest is - - - > "Lights! Roll the sound effects! Action! ????????????!" - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:55:00 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman To: email_address_removed Subject: Mumblings and Jumblings Message-ID: Hi I was born on June 30. I think this is the same birthday as Buddy Rich and Yngwie J. Malmsteen, although I'm not entirely sure. June 30 was also the day that Christ put his shoulder out while playing rugby one day. He was out of the game for quite a while and so helped out at the local RSPCA during his time off. A fountain of knowledge, me. Oh, I saw "Spiceworld" last night. Even though the Spice Girls are pure evil, it is still *very* entertaining and a very enjoyable film. Oh, and to Mike Bahr, "Good Will Hunting" was released late last year to qualify for this year's Oscars and therefore is considered a 1997 film. Nitpicker, me. Spiff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:59:59 -0600 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" To: Subject: Videos Message-ID: <01bd23a4$04ed2120$1b5099d1@homewks> Since MTV no longer stands for Music Television, does anyone know where we could buy copies of the videos DT is making and is being shown in other countries? I have the Tokyo video and would love to add more to my array of DT merchandise. Mike email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:52:26 EST From: Sunnyde25 To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Bass solos Message-ID: >>I've *never* heard a rock song that has a >>bass solo that still sounds 'full' when the bassist is soloing. Any thing by Weather Report? I here that they had a pretty good bass player.... :) Mark email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:17:10 From: CRAIG GRIFFITH To: email_address_removed Subject: Monster Rancher/DT/Prog Connection? Message-ID: It has recently come to my attention that there's a cool game on the PlayStation (which obviously some of you have) called Monster Rancher. The basic premise is that you create your own monster by placing a CD in the PlayStation, which the game will read and determine what your monster will be based on that CD (i.e. how many tracks it has, the length of those tracks). This brought me to wonder: What kind of monsters would DT or other prog CDs make? (especially considering that the songs are typically fairly long, the CD's are usually somewhat longer, sometimes less tracks per CD) What has been confirmed is that one-track CD's, such as data CDs and prog concept albums (:{) ) produce pure breeds of monsters. Well, tell me what you folks think...(or have found out if you have the game) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:36:45 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: echolyn - admirable and missed Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Stephan Dobay wrote: > Speaking of getting the music out, echolyn was the only progressive > band I have ever seen that were cool with people taping. That's > right, both audio and video. I find that extremely admirable, and > something I wish Dream Theater would adopt. I agree 1,000,000% with you, Stephan. > Stephan []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:53:16 -0800 From: Mark Philpot To: email_address_removed Subject: FII Demos... GOOD! Message-ID: Jam, I've actually got a hold of demos from FII, besides: Take Away My Pain DEMO - from the Jap release Speak to Me - (I think that's the title from the Jap relese) You or ME - Hollow Years (And the other demo on the Hollow Years Single) I got a hold of: Lines in the Sand DEMO version Burning my Soul DEMO version Hollow Years DEMO Version Just Let Me Breath DEMO Version Cover My Eyes DEMO Version (Not released on FII) I think that's it. JLMB Demo sounds a lot like it does on FII. The others (CME wasn't relesed) sound a lot different and a lot more like DT. There has never been a DT song I haven't liked. But these songs prior to producer edit sound better. I was disappointed that they didn't officially release the Hollow Years Demo on the Single. ITS REALLY GOOD!! THere are whole added verses that really make the song complete. PS. Mike B.- Are you planning on putting these songs on any boot? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:00:24 -0200 From: Marcelo Vanzin To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Message-ID: Hi ye jammanoids! > ------------------------------ > From: Angellaa > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3468 > i'm not going to buy it just cause of kev. if you had read my whole post you > would have saw that i have heard from several friends that thier music is good > (fates) and i wanted some other peoples opinion's on the matter.i heard from a > good friend that if i like dt i'd really like fates. i know he didn't write > the music some guy named jim matheos did so at any note i was just writing > this to get some people's opinion's. Some time ago someone posted a "Guide to get into FW being a DT fan" or something like that, didn't?? Anyway, being a DT fan, I don't think you'll have any problems listening to any of their albuns after "Perfect Symmetry" (PS and APSoG being my favorites). The earlier material ("No Exit" and before) is much much heavier, yet still A LOT cool. Michael Kizer's page (http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw/fw.htm) has a lot of stuff about them also, it's a nice place to gather info on them. -- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* email_address_removed *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:02:45 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) To: email_address_removed Subject: FS: Enchant CD (NDTC) Message-ID: I've got Enchant's "A Blueprint of the World" CD for sale. It's in excellent condition. $12, shipping included. Dan ---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!? http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +--- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:32:58 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fates Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Marcelo Vanzin wrote: > Some time ago someone posted a "Guide to get into FW being a DT fan" or > something like that, didn't?? It's on Doc's site... > Anyway, being a DT fan, I don't think you'll have any problems > listening to any of their albuns after "Perfect Symmetry" (PS and APSoG > being my favorites). The earlier material ("No Exit" and before) is much > much heavier, yet still A LOT cool. Ugh! "No Exit" is waaaay too heavy. And it's not melodic at all. Interesting, but not a must have IMO. Their recent material is better, IMO. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:56:06 -0500 From: "Nick Giannotti" To: Subject: Bass solos (again) Message-ID: Jeff Kiefling and Coldfire wrote, > >>I've *never* heard a rock song that has a > >>bass solo that still sounds 'full' when the bassist is soloing. >> >> Ever heard YYZ? > > >Try anything by Mr.Big of their first CD! Billy Sheehan shreds! Heard them both - IMHO, those aren't bass solos in YYZ, they're bass fills. And Mr. Big's first album rocks ass - I don't like "Addicted to that Rush" for the reasons I don't like bass solos, but songs like "Wind Me Up" just blow me away. Listen to the FILLS that he does in there - they accent the song but don't take away from the backbone of it. Know what I'm getting at? -Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:01:41 -0500 From: Brian Larkin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3469 Message-ID: At 02:03 PM 1/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hello Jammers! This is my first message as I've only been subscribed for a >few days, but I'm getting the hang of it. Anyway, I've read the detailed >FAQ on DT but I can't seem to find out what James shouts between the first >and second songs on The Big Medley. It starts with "Lights!" and then it's >difficult to hear. Can anyone help me out? Or did I miss it on the FAQ? I think it's "Lights! Roll the sound effects! Action!". I can't hear what he says after that, but if I had the Pink Floyd version somewhere near me right now I might be able to tell ya. > Also, to the guy who said LTL is the best DT song ever, I wish I had your >ability to pick a favourite. To me they're all amazing. My favorite's ACOS - but if there were no ACOS ( :( ), I wouldn't be able to single one out. ACOS is just so perfect (not that other DT songs aren't), so epic . . . and it really had an impact on me - both musically and lyrically (score one for MP! See, he *can* write good lyrics when he wants to!). The first 20 listens or so were just overwhelming. And how about that climax at the end? Amazing. >Actually, they trimmed the extended instrumental outro on LTL. LTL is >still my favourite song of all time as it is on I&W, but with the >extended outtro, it comes as close to a PERFECT composition as I think >you can get! Every time I hear that version, I have this urge to scream >out "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!". :) WHERE CAN I FIND THIS BAD BOY???? cArPe DiEm, bRiAn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:45:59 -0600 From: yzzy To: email_address_removed Subject: re: Met II Message-ID: >Question: Since MP said that Met II would be on the next studio album, >how soon would you say we should get it? Speculation welcome! ^_^ with the way that they got flamed here for FII, i'd release it and not tell the jam about it. (just kidding ;-) >also, if anyone knows any good web sites, lists, people to contact, >whatever, anything that'll tell me more about making my band bigger than >my drummer's garage and a few crummy clubs, please oh please, let me >know. ever notice how it's easier to get a gig out of town, then to get a gig in your on home town. go figure... to MATt: you sent the wrong size of underoos! or i've gained much weight while waiting for them to arrive. but with the material so stretched out, i can't figure out just whose face is on these things. just whose face am i sitting on? Shirley's?!? yzzy "A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction into a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." - Calvin discovers Usenet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:21:13 +1100 From: Bryce Kelaart To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE:Meshuggah Message-ID: >Any of you jammers heard of this Swedish(?)band?They absolutely kill! >Their riffs are based on fairly simple melodies, but their rhythms are >unbelievably weird!Any drummer should check this band out.It definitely >puts things into perspective... Agreed. Don't forget to check out Meshuggah's guitarist Frederick Thordenal solo album: Sol Niger Within. Yes they are Swedish. Bryce K email_address_removed.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:23:30 EST From: Uroborosss To: email_address_removed Subject: A Cornucopia Of Lively Trinkets Message-ID: > From: "Trevor W. Hoit" > Subject: bafu tag > > and what the hell is THAT from? Busta Rhymes. He doesn't have Tony Levin playing bass for him, and his singing range is only one octave, but feel free to check him out. I recommend "When Disaster Strikes." Manically delicious. > From: Vincent G. Lupone > Subject: Re: DT Easter CD > > Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Never look at Satan when he asks you to. If he wants a stick of gum, tell him to go to 7-11 and get his own damned pack. If he gives you some crap about "I'm the only 'damned' thing on the entire planet you mortal fool, etc." just give him a good kick. Remember, Satan can't kill you, he can only tempt you. Resist his temptations, then punch him in the neck a few times. You'll feel better. > From: Michael Bahr > Subject: Re: posts about DT CDs and Prism and stuff. > > And please, folks, can we stop throwing around that "10 month" figure as though > it were fact? I know what you mean, it's not really a standard of beauty. Sometimes when I see a woman who has just given birth within the last month or so, I think to myself, "Wow, she's definitely got that 10-month figure." But that's just my own thoughts. > Give it a rest, Brian. You and Ptacek are the only ones who (vocally) harangue > me like this. Someday there may be more than just two of them, Mike. You may one day look back on these little arguments and think, "boy, those two guys were just the harangue catalogue prologue." > From: Stefan Rau > Subject: Echolyn -Reply > > and I don't think I've seen the name "Steve Borzilleri" yet..... Hi there. > From: "Tedesco, Matthew" > Subject: yes / really wondering... > > anyways, i was wondering, what are some of the best ways of getting music out? Why? Are you musically constipated or something? Put together a demo on a compact disc. Make perhaps four or five of them. Then the next time you play live, zing 'em out at the audience without warning. "This one's on our demo...which is...right...HERE!" *ZIIIING* Just like Tron! Some guy will go home thinking "dangit, this is a nasty cut on my forehead, better go listen to this disc or I'll REALLY be a loser!!" > From: HseJackBlt > Subject: DTIFC mail and I&W CD > > I share the same birthday with Muzz Skillings. Living Colour! WOOHOO! You can tear a building down, but you can't erase the memory! YOU HEAR THAT, UNIBOMBER?!?! Dream Theater rules. Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:03:21 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Holy birthday, batman! Message-ID: On the Eve of Destruction, "Eric LaRue" said: > >BTW-I was born on May 30-Memorial day!(Appropriate for the son of a >naval officer, and the grandson of both an army officer and a naval >officer! :-) ) On day the cycle will be complete.... Burial At Sea... Dream Theater Rulez -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: email_address_removed #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:08:03 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3468 Message-ID: On the Eve of Destruction, Angellaa said: > > i'm not going to buy it just cause of kev. if you had read my whole post you >would have saw that i have heard from several friends that thier music is good >(fates) and i wanted some other peoples opinion's on the matter.i heard from a >good friend that if i like dt i'd really like fates. i know he didn't write >the music some guy named jim matheos did so at any note i was just writing Jim is GOD, Kevin is GOD, two gods collaborated, and APSOG was born... I have an mp3 on my page... -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: email_address_removed #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3470 **************************