YTSEJAM Digest 3432 Today's Topics: 1) Scandinavian singers and my first time. by Jason Birzer 2) Re: Fasten Your Seatbelts by "Joshua B. Wingell" 3) Read: Bitching and more.... by Pat Daugherty 4) waste of space by "Tedesco, Matthew" 5) "Would you like to sit and talk to me..." by "Mr. Matt" 6) What? by "Charlie Korch" 7) Enuff Already! by "Charlie Korch" 8) 1st Time by "Charlie Korch" 9) Stop it! by "Charlie Korch" 10) LTP by "Charlie Korch" 11) C Farley (No DTC) by "Charlie Korch" 12) Re: Read: Bitching and more.... by "Brian J. Ketelsen" 13) Kix by "Charlie Korch" 14) RES: First DT Listen by Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva 15) by "Shawn Donovan" 16) Lets talk music Jammers by Andrew 17) Various Replies by email_address_removed (Derek Shenanigan) 18) music knowledge a prerequisite? by Eric Heisserer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:20:47 -0500 From: Jason Birzer To: email_address_removed Subject: Scandinavian singers and my first time. Message-ID: >the fact that this is a Swedish band blows my mind...I mean, you'd never >guess it reading the lyrics, the liner notes, or listening to the >singers' accents. They sound sorta British, I guess, but not >Scandinavian by any means. But the music itself is a massive blend of Actually, this is true for a lot of Scandinavian bands. Take Abba for instance. They didn't speak English, but sang it without an accent. I don't know why this is true, though. The first time I heard Dream Theater was when I put the cassette into my car stereo on my way back to school. Yes, I bought the album without hearing any song first. This was back before this list existed and they were talked about a lot on TNMS. I bought I&W and Marillion's "Six of one half, half dozen of the other" and listened to both on my two hour drive back to school. I&W just blew me away. Marillion just couldn't compare after that. (Even tho they have grown on me since.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Birzer There is a theory which states that if anyone "The Longshot" discovers what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be email_address_removed replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened -Douglas Adams --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 09:26:08 EST From: "Joshua B. Wingell" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Fasten Your Seatbelts Message-ID: >BTW Who said that playing fast sucks? Shoot the >son-of-a-bitch :) Isn't the guy who said that already dead? ;-) And yea, Fasten Your Seatbelts kicks ass! Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:50:19 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Read: Bitching and more.... Message-ID: Whoever is replying to this thread or whoever started this thread, please turn off MIME encoding or whatever it is. This is not readable by anyone using an ascii reader (ie anyone on a unix system, I am using PINE). So please stop posting in MIME. What it looks like to us is below: >------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1CE6.85C073C0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1CE6.85C073C0 >Content-Type: application/ms-tnef >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > >eJ8+IhgJAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAIAAAAElQTS5NaWNy >b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5SZWFkIFJlY2VpcHQAAwsBDYAEAAIAAAACAAIAAQSQBgAAAQAAAQAAAAwAAAAD >50+ more of the above two lines |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:44:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" To: email_address_removed Subject: waste of space Message-ID: from graham: >One more time, you have been asked nicely........... >Yes Eric La Rue you are guilty of this, stop wasting bandwidth >with you overlong signature and quadruple spacing. you know what gets me? i saw your warning to this guy yesterday, and i was thinking, wow, i'm glad someone pointed this out. i personally would be mortified if i was pissing everyone off enough that someone would have to tell me to stop. but then today, i get to work, open jam 3429, and see that this eric paul larue wasted lines and lines of space again, talking about how much he enjoys the spice girls album, no less! and this was before he got to his waste-of-space sig. i must say, graham & ptacek... you handled this a lot more patiently and tactfully than i wanted to. well done. moral of the story: eric larue--trim the fat, please, and respect the wishes of fellow jammers. --MATt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:52:55 -0600 From: "Mr. Matt" To: "'YtseJam List'" Subject: "Would you like to sit and talk to me..." Message-ID: > 1) Read: Bitching and more.... > by "Mr. Matt" I don't know what the hell all of that binary-looking stuff was - or even what that post was suppoed to be, but it looks as though it might have come from me (how, I don't know, cuz I haven't posted in a number of weeks). So, sorry for all of that wasted bandwidth, I guess. Here's the bottom line for me. I'd never even heard of Derek before the loss of The Kev-ster in Our Favorite Band. According to others who have, he's a bad ass. So, I take it on faith that a band of DT's calibre wouldn't hire just anybody to replace the now-legendary KevMo. In other words, "he's got the chops". However, I was weaned on the sweet milk of Dream Theater's Kevin era. As a member of the band, Kevin was as tight as it gets (I can already hear the jokes forming in your head, Mogus, but I mean as a musician!). He always set the mood well, held up the background while JP was working his 6 (or 7)-string magic, and consistently kicked the sorry prog-lovin' ass of everyone of us jammers with his tasteful yet mind-blowing keyboard gymnastics (if you've forgotten, just re-listen to his solo on Take the Time - it's a fookin' masterpiece!). He sounded like a friggin' second guitarist in the band! Sorry to see him him go (he was also a major asset in the songwriting department), but I wish him well. Derek, by contrast has not had the benefit of recording three albums with the Greatest Band on The Planet. So, I'm trying to reserve judgement on whether he cuts the mustard (hearing him line would help, eh?). What I've heard so far on the latest album kicks ass, but differs quite a bit stylistically from KevMo's work. Is this good? Bad? I dunno. As long as DT's making killer albums 'til I'm in my own band, I don't really care. But, Derek seems to me to still be trying to find his place in the DT framework. I know that sounds strange, since he's been a member for like a year or more, right? But, while he seems to be holding up the back end pretty well (though still not like Kev did - or maybe it's just the production on this album?), he just doesn't have the aural presence that Kevin had. Kev was every bit the soloist that Petrucci is and their unison runs in much of DT's songs were a sound to behold. Derek and Petrucci keep up the tradition nicely. I like Derek's tone. It was different when I first heard it, but I dig it now - and that ribbon shit is really weird! Anyway, I think Derek deserves his place in the band and I wish him every bit of success and praise as his talent merits - but I still miss my KevMo! :) Matt Gonzales AKA "Mr. Matt" AKA "Genghis" email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:37 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: What? Message-ID: >>Just a thought, but if DT wants more commercial success, maybe James should use the lower end of his range more often...<< Please say this is a joke! If you feel this way, then maybe Mike should stop playing any rolls on his kit, JP can stop playing solos, and JM can learn to play like Gene Simmons. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:55:07 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: Enuff Already! Message-ID: >>I am really curious to hear how Enuff Z'Nuff sold out. I have everything they've released and their style has remained intact throughout the years.<< I don't feel like flaming, but here is my opinion. You ask, "How did they sell out"? Maybe by dressing like women and coloring their hair green. Let's not forget all the chessy pop, songs they have put out over the years. Their music wasn't as bad as say Faster Pussycat, but their image was worse. That IMHO is selling out. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:58:09 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: 1st Time Message-ID: >Hi gang. New Jammer here. I'm curious to hear how / if everyone was >affected the first time you ever heard Dream Theater... Do you remember the >moment? I rememeber reading about a band named Majesty in a magizine (It might have been Kerrang). The mag said that this band sounds like Rush and Queensryche (two of my favorites). I knew I had to hear them. About 6 months later a friend of mine said "check this new album out by Dream Theater." I loved it. My friend said that they used to be called Majesty. And thus my quest ended. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:58:37 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: Stop it! Message-ID: >>Eric Paul LaRue<< Just stop it already. Please!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:59:30 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: LTP Message-ID: >>Is the Liquid Tension Project out now, or soon to be out? I haven't seen it yet. Do any of the online stores have it?<< I asked MP about it in Atlanta on December 16th, and he said some time in March. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:01:56 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: C Farley (No DTC) Message-ID: >>Hey Charlie K, don't pay out Chris Farley, or I'll take you to the ... vet?<< What the hell does that mean? I loved Farley. I am just pissed that he didn't see his own death coming. Even my wife said he was going to drop dead soon if he didn't stop screwing around. Did you see him on Leno a few months before he died? I did, and I almost cried as I just saw the inevitable coming. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:02:48 -0700 From: "Brian J. Ketelsen" To: Subject: Re: Read: Bitching and more.... Message-ID: <003301bd1d18$0863f0f0$message_id_removed> The problem isn't the replies, it's all the fancy new email programs. The original author of the _bitching and more_ -- "Eric S P Parker" -- has an option turned on in his mail program to notify him when his colleagues read the mail he sends. He's using this same "Office oriented" email program to read and post to the 'Jam. Everyone else who has email programs that support this kind of "Read Receipt" is unaware that their mail program is automatically replying to the 'Jam when they read it. Shoot Eric, not all the repliers, they know not what they do. BrianK -----Original Message----- ]From: Pat Daugherty To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:58 AM Subject: Read: Bitching and more.... > >Whoever is replying to this thread or whoever started this thread, please >turn off MIME encoding or whatever it is. This is not readable by anyone >using an ascii reader (ie anyone on a unix system, I am using PINE). > >So please stop posting in MIME. > >What it looks like to us is below: > >>------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1CE6.85C073C0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >>------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1CE6.85C073C0 >>Content-Type: application/ms-tnef >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >> >>eJ8+IhgJAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAIAAAAElQTS5NaW Ny >>b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5SZWFkIFJlY2VpcHQAAwsBDYAEAAIAAAACAAIAAQSQBgAAAQAAAQAAAAwAAA AD >>50+ more of the above two lines > > >|-------------------------------------------------------------------| >| Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | >|===================================================================| >| Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | >| "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | >|-------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:08:59 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: Kix Message-ID: >>I could care less about Faster Pussycat or Enuf-z-nuff but how can you consider Kix a sellout?<< First of all someone else defended Enuff Z'Nuff, but said Kix was a sellout. Maybe the two of you should duke it out? :-) I consider Kix a sellout simply because I think they dressed like a bunch of weenies, and tried to sound like AC/DC. I don't think AC/DC is a sellout, but trying to sound like them is selling out. Trying to benifit on the sound of another IMHO is selling out. You may disagree, but this is the way I see it. >>Kix constantly put out something that was between Hard Rock and Metal. Where did they sell out? << You don't have to be "wimpy" to sell out. Metal bands can sell out also. >>All the 80's hard rock bands put out a ballad.<< I don't have a problem with ballads. I like some (the Scorpions wrote some killer ballads). >>Kix could have gone the alternative route but they did not.<< What exactly do you consider alternative? Isn't alternative what the majority isn't listening to? If REM and Pearl Jam sell millions of records they are no longer alternative in my book. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:34:13 -0200 From: Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RES: First DT Listen Message-ID: > > Hi gang. New Jammer here. I'm curious to hear how / if everyone > was > > affected the first time you ever heard Dream Theater... Do you > remember > the moment? I use to buy CDs from bands playing other band's songs (doing covers). And when I went to Highway Music (music store) on a 1995's saturday morning, the CD player was playing "The Big Medley" from ACOS. I asked for band's name and I noticed that it was Dream Theater. As I was used to listen the songs from that medley (and all that songs from Uncovered show), I bought the CD. I listened to the whole CD and I loved all that cover songs, but listening the first track (ACOS), written by Dream Theater, I caught me enjoying that unknown band (for me). And then I went to Highway Music again, searching for another CD from that great band... The second one was Awake and I really like that album!!! "A Mind Beside Itself" is one of the greatest prog/metal/technical songs ever recorded!!!!! Then I was learning to live with DT songs round my head and I definitly became a fan: I bought Live at Marquee, Images & Words and the video Live In Tokyo, everything in one and only time!!! And as soon as FII arrived at Highway Music, I was the first buyer... That's my history with DT... Parffit Jim Balsanelli ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:43:42 -0800 From: "Shawn Donovan" To: Message-ID: <003201bd1d1d$bf8eb620$888514d1@default> Can you please remove me from your list, Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 1980 00:39:47 -0500 From: Andrew To: email_address_removed Subject: Lets talk music Jammers Message-ID: The Liquid Tension album I believe comes out late Feb. or early March. Something for Alex Lifeson fans. Jeff Martin of the Tea Party did a solo gig at Lifeson's club in Toronto. Lifeson thought it would be a great idea to do a blues jam with Jeff. Well Jeff Martin absolutely distroyed Alex. AL looked like he'd never even played a blues scale in his life. He was horrible, but then again Jeff Martin is amazing. I'm not saying Alex sucks, because he's far from that, I'm just saying he's a one style wonder. Here are my choices for albums of the year and Bombs of the year please tell me if you agree. BOMBS OF 97 1. Metallica Load of crap 2. Fates Warning Pleasent shade of boredom 3. Bush Dance disco boy 4. Queensryche no comment 5. Live it's no Secrcet Someboya sucks 6. Genesis Turn us over were done 7. David Lee Roth Greatest Hit_ 8. Aerosmith I think we've heard this song before 9. Rolling Stones Wheel chairs to Babalon 10. Motely Crue I love the Crue but not this time *.Hanson & Spice Girls for obvious reasons Top Albums of 97 1. Radio Head OK Computer 2. DT FII 3. G3 Satriani, Johnson, Vai 4. The Tea Party Transmision 5. Big Wreck In Loving Memory Of.... 6. Rush Hey it's Rush 7. The Doors Box set 8. Spock's Beard it's pretty good 9. Faith No More Album of the year 10. Pantera Live These are just my opinions so chill out! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:12:27 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Derek Shenanigan) To: email_address_removed Subject: Various Replies Message-ID: >>> Fantasy Records in Montgomery, AL has this stuff mail-order. They changed >>> the name of their company to Rokkage Records or something like that. >>Heheh - I know the woman that runs this outfit. When I was living on the >>Alabama/Florida line a friend and I made the drive to Montgomery so we >>could browse the stock and save shipping charges. It turned out that it >>is an operation run out of the spare room in her house! She was very >>friendly about it, though Yea, she's been doing this thing for a long time I guess, since I've been receiving her catalogues for many years. Never have bought anything from them though. Most of it is hard to find / boots / and odds & ends like backstage passes, which I'm not really in to. What's this "Electric" thing by Rush you got? >>and hey, a jammer somewhat in my vicinity, where are you anyway dude? >>(im in dayton) I'm not the guy you were askin, but I'm in Cinci. Been to any shows lately? -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:17:04 -0600 From: Eric Heisserer To: email_address_removed Subject: music knowledge a prerequisite? Message-ID: All of my friends who took music classes in school or tried playing in a band have a great appreciation for DT--some of them die-hard fans. The rest of my friends don't like them. Aside from the deprecating remarks about LaBrie's vocal range, I also hear: "It sounds too frantic, like they're just making it up on the spot." "Where's the friggin' beat?" "Very busy stuff. It's too confusing." "Why's the guitarist over-dubbing his own solo?" --when KM is mimicking JP Do you have to be a musician (prof/amateur) to get into DT? I hope not. ------------ Eric Heisserer APQC email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3432 **************************