YTSEJAM Digest 3402 Today's Topics: 1) Show, don't Tell (was: Re: Symphony X, or the Kings are dead, long , live the kings) by Matt Johnston 2) Treasure Land... by Luke 3) stuff and more stuff (DT Radio Content) by Chris Oates 4) re: Angra/Jaxx by Pat Daugherty 5) YNM on 98 rock by Pat Daugherty 6) YNM/BMS/Jan. 2 Hartford show by Jon Parmet 7) Peruvian Skies Parody!!! by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters 8) Re: Drumsticks by Jon Parmet 9) Brody: by Steve Zebrowski 10) re: Angra/Jaxx by Rogerio Brito 11) Re: YNM on 98 rock by Rogerio Brito 12) Re: YNM/BMS/Jan. 2 Hartford show by Rogerio Brito 13) myungs big stick by tim spear 14) FC's, Simpsons/Fish by Mark Bredius 15) Jaxx Jan. 3 preshow by Pat Daugherty 16) Savatage by Shai Yallin 17) DT sightings, Divine Regale & Iced Earth by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel 18) Symphony X's Russell Allen by Phil Carter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 01:02:55 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Show, don't Tell (was: Re: Symphony X, or the Kings are dead, long , live the kings) Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Dec 1997, Ivan-Assen Ivanov wrote: > >Who was the guy who about a week ago said that with FII DT left >the throne of the kings of prog-metal? Well, Symphony X are >IMO the rightful new sovereigns. I disagree. >"Divine wings of tragedy" is such an elaborate, complicated mass >of sounds, that need at least one weak just to get used to. But it's wort= >h. > It sounds pretty good, I'll give you that, but they cannot write good lyrics. They tell instead of showing. Bad sign. For example, in "Sea of Lies", they use the beautifully penned lines, "Good and evil - lust primeval" Good and evil? Of course it's good and evil! Why don't they show us? (grumble...) Make no mistake, I enjoyed a few tracks ("The Accolade" and "Pharaoh" -- bot had vivid imagery without saying, "Hey, this is good and evil we're talking about!" or some other rubbish... ^_^ What got me was when they actually used the phrase "power and majesty" in a song. Weak! (as Cartman would say) Show me! The song's like 28 minutes long (don't have the actual disc with me -- lost it temporarily at a friend's place) -- they have time to show me! I don't need the Cliff's Notes at the end! (growl, grumble) >My only objection is the lead singer - the band IMHO might just as well >do without him. > Now, the beginning of the title track kicked my butt when I realized all those parts were him. Cool beans. I just wished he had something interesting to sing. (sigh) --Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:03:08 +1000 From: Luke To: ytsejam Subject: Treasure Land... Message-ID: Sorry, no NDTC here. What's the going opinion on Questions by Treasure Land ? I'd heard a bit about these guys and decided to order them from Laser's Edge. I was initially a bit dissapointed on first hearing them (after reading one particular review which totally raved of them), but after all, it is a debut effort, so considering that the album is actually quite good. Some great, heavy arrangements which show influences from Symphony X and some of OFB. The guitarist, Jonas Hornquist, absolutely rips and even though drumming is usually my forte, he was easily the real point of interest and seems to be the driving force behind the band. With better production, (and a new lead singer PLEASE !), these guys could really turn some heads. Other opinions....? Luke. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 03:15:51 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: stuff and more stuff (DT Radio Content) Message-ID: Hey, was driving in the car this evening, and what should I hear on 92.3 KSJO? Nothing but our old friend, Pull Me Under! Not to mention that I heard it a few days ago too. Then, a few hours later on I switch to another station (92.7 in Santa Cruz) and hear the familiar opening of You Not Me! Not bad for one night. Looks like Da Boys are getting some more airplay round these parts. __ /\ __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Sometimes, your castles in the air, and the fantasies | /__||__\ | you're seeking are the crosses you bear" | // \ | \\ Dream Theater -- "Lines in the Sand" ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:55:31 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: email_address_removed Subject: re: Angra/Jaxx Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Dec 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > >I just recently got 2 Angra cds about a month ago. To me > > they dont sound like DT at all but sound more similar to > >Helloween. Anyone else think Angra is closer to Hello- > >ween then DT > > Definitely. I actually think they're a lot better than Helloween, which used > to be one of my favorites. Kai Hanson's involvement probably has a lot to do > with the similarity. Which two did you get? (I'm guessin' Holy Land and > Angels Cry). Reaching Horizons and Freedom Call are great EPs as well. > Yep, Angel's Cry and Holy Land. What involvement did Kai have? I suppose I could check the liners to see if he is mentioned... |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 10:06:55 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: YNM on 98 rock Message-ID: Last week I heard YNM on 98 rock in Baltimore... Hopefully they will start playing DT more... |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:35:52 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: Just Let Me Ytse Subject: YNM/BMS/Jan. 2 Hartford show Message-ID: I know it's just me (not you :), but when I listen to YNM, JP's intro, I hear Prince's intro to When Doves Cry :) I heard the beginning of BMS behind a commercial on local radio (no talk about DT going commercial, ok? :). And on a station that only recently began playing YNM (so I've been told). Any plans for Hartford pre-show festivities? E-mail is fine. *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:42:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters To: email_address_removed Subject: Peruvian Skies Parody!!! Message-ID: Hey, all you freaky 'jammers! On our recent trip to Fort Worth, TX, my husband and I had the occasion to build a "snowgirl" that we called Vanessa, and this parody just came from that experience. Hope to make it on the FAQ or something. :) The Wintery Skies (With many apologies to Mr. Petrucci) There, there she sits I swear, the wind'll topple that poor thing Wait, I see the snow fall Don't breathe on the snowgirl lest she Fall onto the ground Under the wintery skies "Vanessa" regretfully waits Two large Brazil nuts for her eyes Acorn mouth and carrot nose No big surprise Windblown and tall She's gonna fall If we don't shore up her foundation Poor "Vanessa" Hey, I hope she lasts We're taking our time with this as we form the snow Shame, she's not to blame She's the snowgirl we created In Vanessa's name Under the wintery skies "Vanessa" regretfully waits Two large Brazil nuts for her eyes Acorn mouth and carrot nose No big surprise Windblown and tall She's gonna fall If we don't shore up her foundation Poor "Vanessa" The temp's above Freezing today She toppled over Soon she'll melt away Under the wintery skies "Vanessa" regretfully waits Two large Brazil nuts for her eyes Acorn mouth and carrot nose No big surprise Windblown and tall She's gonna fall If we don't shore up her foundation Lyrics by Nicole and Ken McWatters (Who says lyrics aren't important?!? ;) Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Assistant Editor of Dateline Kirby on irc.dreamt.org : a student publication of the Undergrad Professional Writing Major : University of Houston-Downtown email_address_removed -or- email_address_removed http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 "And of all the nights throughout the year/ That come and gently leave None hold the dream of magic/ Like the evening, Christmas Eve" -liner notes, "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" by Trans-Siberian Orchestra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:03:38 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: Just Let Me Ytse Subject: Re: Drumsticks Message-ID: > Vic Firth, IMHO, the best! My friend knows Vic personally. That's not the > reason why I buy them. I buy them because they are worth every penny I put > into them. I know nothing about stickage, but: My brother studied with Vic at the Conservatory (even subbed for him a couple of times at Symphony Hall) a decade or so ago; and he would agree with you... Regards, Jon *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:20:05 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Brody: Message-ID: your sig is too long. cut it. Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:27:33 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: Angra/Jaxx Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Pat Daugherty wrote: > Yep, Angel's Cry and Holy Land. What involvement did Kai have? I suppose > I could check the liners to see if he is mentioned... I only have Holy Land here, but Kai has laid some solos on "Never Understand", if I'm not mistaken (I'm not reading the liner notes, so I may be passing you the wrong information). []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:31:12 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YNM on 98 rock Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Pat Daugherty wrote: > Last week I heard YNM on 98 rock in Baltimore... Hopefully they will > start playing DT more... Yesterday I heard YNM here on 107.3 Brasil 200 FM (for you Sao Paulo 'jammers out there) on Backstage and the DJ said "now we just heard the best of '97" (it was kinda a special edition of Backstage). Other bands that were played that I remember: Deicide, Six Feet Under, Napalm Death. It makes me wonder if it was really a "best of" edition. :-) []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:34:23 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YNM/BMS/Jan. 2 Hartford show Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Jon Parmet wrote: > I heard the beginning of BMS behind a commercial on local radio (no talk > about DT going commercial, ok? :). And on a station that only recently > began playing YNM (so I've been told). Oh, just forgot to mention that the other day (again, Sao Paulo 'jammers) I was listening to 89.1, 89 FM, and during a radio commercial I started hearing a song that was somewhat familiar. Guess what? "New Millennium". It played for almost 1.5 minute. That *was* cool. If only the f*ck*ng DJ mentioned the band that was playing in the background... :-(( []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 97 17:52:54 +0100 From: tim spear To: Subject: myungs big stick Message-ID: >Anyway, a new question arises. The company manufactures and sells >at least three types of sticks: "classic" (10-string), "grand" (12-string), >and "bass-stick" (6 or 8, can't remember which). What kind of stick >is JM's? pretty sure it was a grand...at least it looked like one from the distance i was from the stage (bloody miles, just near the bar)... Tim Spear Veilmaya - http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~veilmaya/ Ahamkara - The official Cynic Website - http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~veilmaya/cynic/ ICQ : http://wwp.mirabilis.com/6352759 EmailExpress: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:58:02 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: FC's, Simpsons/Fish Message-ID: Graham Boyle wrote : > I am neither impatient nor have I lost faith in the FC, I have been a > member since September 95 and appreciate Neil Elliott's great efforts. 1995 was the year I decided NOT to re-subscribe to the DTIFC... because there was an Official DUTCH Dream Theater fanclub ! I had been a member of the DTIFC for about a year and a half, but I didn't see the point of being a member of two DT fanclubs. You can probably imagine me being a little pissed off, when I found out only the DTIFC members were getting the '96 xmas CD... So, I am really glad the members of all the official fanclubs are getting this year's CD... Helped me plug Theater Of Dreams (the Dutch DT fanclub) a bit too :-) Every time I come across a Dutch DT fan, I tell them about the Dutch fanclub *and* the xmas CD. > It just would have been 'nice' for you or someone else let us know > about the delay. I joined the fan club for the fanzine, not a free CD, > their was no free CD when I joined. I could've switched back to the DTIFC, just for the xmas CD, but didn't even consider it. Looking back, I'm glad I didn't... Every Dutch Jammer should be a member of Theater Of Dreams :-) You can find subscription info on : Under A Cyber Moon - http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ Itchy's DT Homepage - http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm :-) _____ Brandon Elhai wrote : >> I like "The Simpsons" and Dream Theater VERY MUCH! Anybody have a MP3 >> file of "The Simpsons" intro played by Dream Theater??? > > DT doesn't play this. They use the original theme by Danny Elfman at > the beginning of their shows. I think they used it on their images and > words tour. Also, Fish used a simpsons intro during his "Sunsets On Empire" tour this year, with Lisa Simpson introducing the guys. :-) Great album by the way (Sunsets On Empire), check it out ! 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If so let me know... |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:52:57 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: Savatage Message-ID: Hey all! Well, after about a YEAR of searching, I finally found a place that sells Savatage (Although it's 40 Kilometers away from my home...). I got Dead Winter Dead. I just started my 4th listen, and I must say - amazing CD. I thing I'm gonna like this band. Too bad my second purchase would have to be in some months... Happy new year, -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:18:23 -0500 From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel To: email_address_removed Subject: DT sightings, Divine Regale & Iced Earth Message-ID: On the thread about seeing DT merchanise: I was at Ear X-tacy in Louisville, KY today (which usually has a lame selection of prog) and was surprised to see that they had finally moved DT from the "pop/rock" section to the "heavy metal" section. In addition they had several FII's (including a Japanese-version import, a promo-copy [yes, they were selling it for less then the REAL ones] and a Hollow Years Single import. For those interested, the Japanese FII was $30.99 and the HY-single was $10.99. I can maybe pick something up if anyone's interested. I was also surprised to see that they had almost every Savatage CD (except TWoM), but there was no TSO in sight. They did have a used copy of Divine Regale's "Ocean Mind" for $5.99. I snapped that up and am really happy with it. Its as good as the reviews that have already been posted. They also had Iced Earth, but I had to pass. Can someone please give me more info on them? Specifically, what are their lyrics and vocals like? Private mail is fine. Thanks. ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:38:54 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter To: Under a Glass Ytse Subject: Symphony X's Russell Allen Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" wrote: > Who was the guy who about a week ago said that with FII DT left > the throne of the kings of prog-metal? Well, Symphony X are > IMO the rightful new sovereigns. > "Divine wings of tragedy" is such an elaborate, complicated mass > of sounds, that need at least one weak just to get used to. But it's worth. > My only objection is the lead singer - the band IMHO might just as well > do without him. Okay, I've got to object here. I think Russell Allen's got one of the strongest and most charismatic voices in prog metal today. He reminds me quite a bit of Ronnie James Dio at times, tone-wise, but sings with a style all his own. Check out "Pharaoh" from DWOT: "I am God, I am king of the land/The hour of judgement is at hand/Winds of revenges sweep through the sand/The mighty Pharaoh lives again!" Shivers, every time. Or "Sea of Lies" from the same disc: "Through into an eternal abyss I fall/Silent screams through paper walls/I pray someday the sun will shine on me again..." More shivers. I tell you Allen is an essential part of the band. I can't imagine "The Accolade" or "Eyes of Medusa" without vocals. True, I haven't picked up "The Damnation Game" yet, so I don't know what he sounded like on that disc, but as far as I'm concerned he's got a part in my "top vocalists" list. Cheers, Phil ===================================================================== Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Bob Culbertson -- "A Moment in Time" ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3402 **************************