YTSEJAM Digest 3396 Today's Topics: 1) DT's lyrics... by Seroussi 2) Re: Symphony X Request (NDTC) by Brandon Elhai 3) Eastons by "Charlie Korch" 4) LASER'S EDGE by "Charlie Korch" 5) Angraween by "Charlie Korch" 6) Web Page by "Charlie Korch" 7) Re: Symphony X Request (NDTC) by "Graham Boyle" 8) Arkhe by "Charlie Korch" 9) Mixing down drums by Chris Oates 10) FS: QR "HitNF" & Thought Industry "SfI" (NDTC) by email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) 11) re: Angra/Jaxx by "Chung Ng" 12) X-mas CD Question by Gkras19 13) Re: X-mas CD Question by "Graham Boyle" 14) Re: Angra/Jaxx by "Graham Boyle" 15) Mixing down drums. by Jeremy Kube 16) YNM on the radio. by ClPuritan 17) YNM on the Radio by ClPuritan 18) 1997 by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 19) CD Sale List by Andy Garner 20) Merry Christmas; it's THAT time :) by "Paul W. Cashman" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:05:38 +0100 From: Seroussi To: email_address_removed Subject: DT's lyrics... Message-ID: <34A18732.6438B474@algonet.se> > From: K I L L M A R Y > > Seroussi: > >Besides, the lyrics are not necessarily there to carry a message. I see DT's > >lyrics as something to accompany the music since (Zappa reference) in today's > >musical indu$try you need some human voice in order for a song to be considered > >by the media... > > Man, this is complete bull. With the amount of thought that obviously goes > into a lot of DT's lyrics, how can you say that? How can you listen to > Scarred and not pay attention to the lyrics? Come one, some of us care. what do you think was on DT's mind when they wrote metropolis, how they're gonna focus on bringing through the story, or how they're gonna show off with the middle section (no flames required, thank you very much ;)? My point is, it seems like they don't put as much thought into the lyrics as they put into the music; the focus of their songs is on the music, not on the message. yes, the lyrics might be moving and thoughtful, but they're not the most important thing about the song... I remember a quotation saying that DT almost gave up on finding a vocalist when they got james' audition tape...it doesn't seem to me like they were desperate to get a vocalist and bring their lyrical message through... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:26:38 -0500 (EST) From: Brandon Elhai To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Symphony X Request (NDTC) Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, MacAusland, Robert: HFX wrote: > I've read a lot of posts on Symphony X and I'll have to admit my curiousity > has been peaked. Before I plunk down my hard earned (by devalued :-) > Canadian currency though, could someone tell me if there are any S' X MP3's > out there that I could listen to as a preview? I don't know about these guys. My friend lent me his tape of them and I thought it was just your average prog band trying to have that DT/Fates Warning feel. These guys try to hard and the end result is not very original sounding. That's why I'm a bit wary these days of buying prog before hearing it. I bought some prog CDs in the past (4 actually) where I've been disappointed. Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:32:42 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: Eastons Message-ID: >>I have actually broken a set of these sticks... but I didn't take them up on their offer to replace them.<< I broke a pair also, sent them in for a replacement, and received a different set instead. I sent 5A's to Easton, and the sent me 2B's in return, with a note saying, that the 2B's are supposed to be a little stronger. They forgot to mention that they feel about twice as heavy, and that my replacement sleaves that came with the 5A's do not fit the 2B's. Man I'm REALLY PISSED NOW. Merry X-Mas! :) Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:34:26 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: LASER'S EDGE Message-ID: >>Where are you lucky guys finding all this stuff? I'm lucky to find DT and >>Shadow Gallery around here. :) >>I'm looking for: >>Spocks Beard >>Symphony X Take a look at the Laser's Edge Web Page at http://www.jersey.net/~lasercd/ They will send you a new updated catalog (I just got mine) which kicks @$$. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:36:45 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: Angraween Message-ID: >>I just recently got 2 Angra cds about a month ago. To me they dont sound like DT at all but sound more similar to Helloween. Anyone else think Angra is closer to Helloween then DT<< I thought the same thing when I first heard them. But after listening to them a little bit more, I now think that they sound even MORE like Helloween. I think that they are a very good band, but I don't know if I would call them Progressive Metal. Maybe power metal or something like that. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:39:28 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: Web Page Message-ID: Happy Holidays to all the Ytsejammers out there. Charlie Check out my web page at http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/towers/4404 and let me know what I can add to make it better. Be nice, it is only a few days old. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 09:39:01 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" To: Subject: Re: Symphony X Request (NDTC) Message-ID: okay, here's a couple of SX reveiws from their web page: http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/wellerville/3/guybrush.html SYMPHONY X "The Damnation Game" Inside Out Music Released back in 1995, with this album Symphony-X started to reveal the colossal musical potential they possesed. One of the best characteristics about this band is an incredible songwriting ability to composite very well arranged songs with memorable melody lines and refrains of great beauty. Compared to their latest release, also reviewed in this issue, "The Damnation Game" offers the same clean sound and excellent musicianship. Michael Romeo's guitars are without a doubt the driving force for most songs, giving a well-conceived heaviness and agressiveness. A semblance with a mix between a progressive Malmsteen, Kansas, latest Savatage and Dream Theater could be made to describe this very good album. Rusell Allen harmonic vocals are simply brilliant. Lyrics, with high poetical content, is also an aspect which has to be remarked. Cuts such as "The Edge Of Forever", "The Haunting", "Winter's Dream or "Whispers" make one thinking about Symphony X as one of the metal bands with a highest quality and some of the most colorful power melodic music which can be found nowadays. 4 1/2 SYMPHONY X "The Divine Wings Of Tragedy" Inside Out Music This US technical metal band third and latest effort shows great songwriting, good musicianship all around and some unique sounding songs. There are excellent tracks like "Sea Of Lies" or "Of Sins And Shadows" which would fit into the category of technical heavy metal a la Stratovarius with a progressive touch on keyboards, while others like the "The Witching Hour" and "Out Of The Ashes" have a pretty deep neoclassical feel that might remind the listener a bit of Yngwie Malmsteen, particulary on the chorus lines. The "magnus opus" of this album is a twenty minutes-long impressive track which gives title to the CD, featuring great choir arrangements and superb instrumental guitar parts plenty of variation. Rusell Allen vocals are very solid, with a really wide range. He's capable of singing with a strong sense of melody and clean on memorable songs as "The Accolade" (my personal favourite) or in the beautiful "Candleligth Fantasia" (close to Savatage's Zack Stevens sometimes) and of sounding rawer and much more agressive on tracks like "Pharaoh" or "The Eyes Of Medusa" for instance. Highly recommended for lovers of technical metal and very pulished and elaborated works. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:40:57 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: Arkhe Message-ID: Has anyone heard Arkhe? I have heard some good things about them, but I thought that I should ask the experts first before purchasing their disc. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:56:31 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: Mixing down drums Message-ID: Neat to hear all the mixing talk, since I'm about to venture towards that territory. One possibly dumb question, tho: All this talk of weakening the drumb by mixing down from 8 to 2 tracks is on (I assume) analog sources, since digital is guaranteed not to lose quality when mixing down tracks. Mostly asking since I'm getting the Akai 12-track digital recorder soon and want to know this for recording our drummer for demo stuff. (Yes! I'm in a real band at last! :) __ /\ __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Sometimes, your castles in the air, and the fantasies | /__||__\ | you're seeking are the crosses you bear" | // \ | \\ Dream Theater -- "Lines in the Sand" ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 18:35:33 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) To: email_address_removed Subject: FS: QR "HitNF" & Thought Industry "SfI" (NDTC) Message-ID: I have the following two CDs that I'm selling: Queensryche "Hear in the Now Frontier" Thought Industry "Songs for Insects" $10 each, or $18 for both. Postage _included_. email: email_address_removed if interested. Thanks for the bandwidth, Dan ---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!? http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +--- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 97 18:56:00 EST From: "Chung Ng" To: Cc: Subject: re: Angra/Jaxx Message-ID: >From: Pat Daugherty >Subject: Angra/Jaxx > >I just recently got 2 Angra cds about a month ago. To me > they dont sound like DT at all but sound more similar to >Helloween. Anyone else think Angra is closer to Hello- >ween then DT Definitely. I actually think they're a lot better than Helloween, which used to be one of my favorites. Kai Hanson's involvement probably has a lot to do with the similarity. Which two did you get? (I'm guessin' Holy Land and Angels Cry). Reaching Horizons and Freedom Call are great EPs as well. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 18:55:44 EST From: Gkras19 To: email_address_removed Subject: X-mas CD Question Message-ID: Does anybody know when we should be seeing the X-mas fanclub CD in the mail?? Has anybody gotten theirs yet? Does anybody know the release date?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 15:51:43 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" To: Subject: Re: X-mas CD Question Message-ID: > Does anybody know when we should be seeing the X-mas fanclub CD in the mail?? > Has anybody gotten theirs yet? Does anybody know the release date?? As it is a fan club cd there is no 'official release', no I haven't got my copy and I am pissed off about it and the fact the that us FC members have not been informed about the delay, for the last two years the winter edition of the fanzine has arrived before Christmas. I don't think we can blame the busy period for mail either, yesterday i received my Fish fanzine from Scotland, which took 6 days as opposed to the normal 7 days. graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:04:06 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" To: Subject: Re: Angra/Jaxx Message-ID: > Definitely. I actually think they're a lot better than Helloween, which used > to be one of my favorites. Kai Hanson's involvement probably has a lot to do > with the similarity. Which two did you get? (I'm guessin' Holy Land and > Angels Cry). Reaching Horizons and Freedom Call are great EPs as well. Both Angra albums were recorded at Kai's studio in Germany and Kai appears on 'Never Understand' towards the end with a guitar solo. I agree, when Helloween were great during the 'Keeper' era they ruled I think that they were almost a 'progressive speed metal' band. When Kai left the band died and IMO without him they were never the same band. Angra I think have more talent and potential in them though. graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 00:16:19 -0500 From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: Mixing down drums. Message-ID: Neat to hear all the mixing talk, since I'm about to venture towards that territory. One possibly dumb question, tho: All this talk of weakening the drumb by mixing down from 8 to 2 tracks is on (I assume) analog sources, since digital is guaranteed not to lose quality when mixing down tracks. Mostly asking since I'm getting the Akai 12-track digital recorder soon and want to know this for recording our drummer for demo stuff. That's not necessarily the case IMO, if you continue to break down the tracks you can lose sound quality just like you can with analog. Make a back up copy and try it out. Sometimes you can have luck, other times you can't. With Digital you will have MUCH better luck with mixing it down, not to mention you will have better luck fixing something that you doesn't sound good. Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 00:40:10 EST From: ClPuritan To: email_address_removed Subject: YNM on the radio. Message-ID: Hey All, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 00:47:29 EST From: ClPuritan To: email_address_removed Subject: YNM on the Radio Message-ID: Hey All, About an hour ago I heard, YNM on WAAF out of Worcester MA. The DJ remarked after the song that they had just played the new Dream Theater because of audience request. A few months ago I had been emailing the station a lot and requesting DT. I even recieved an email from a DJ stating that there was a lot of new music out there and that they couldn't play everything. After sending a response, I gave up my campaign. Well I guess some of us were persistent, because now they are playing DT. Too bad they have to play YNM instead of BMS, which is much better. As far as the controversey over the relevance of JLMB. I think the fact that the references to Kurt Cobain and Shannon Hoon will become dated and meaningless illustrates the point of the song. People will be turning their backs on Kurt Cobain and Shannon Hoon for something new. When people are still listening to JLMB and they have no idea who KC and SH are, the songs prophecy will have come true. Hopefully DT will endure and bands like Nirvana and Blind Melon will be forgotten. Merry Christmas, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:22:29 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: 1997 Message-ID: Well, it's been a kick ass LIVE year... just some of the shows in retrospect... 4 Fates shows 3 DT shows 2 Enchant shows Marillion at the Coach House 2 Spock's Beard shows ProgFest 97 with Arena, Spock's and others... Tony MacAlpine Eric Johnson Prototype/Nevermore 2 Flotsam & Jetsam shows 2 Rush shows Yes Got to see Portnoy with Enchant and Fates in Fremont... Hopefully 98 will bring us MORE LIVE PROG!!!!! :) -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: email_address_removed #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 10:39:14 +0000 From: Andy Garner To: email_address_removed Subject: CD Sale List Message-ID: Hi Folks I have the following CD's to sell. They belonged to my closest friend who was killed in an accident recently. Please take time to browse through the list and contact me privately if there is anything you are interested in. Prices are 8 pounds UK and $12 US, both including postage. Thanks Anglagard - Buried Alive Berry, Robert - Pilgrimage To A Point Body - The Body Album Camel - Mirage Camel - Nude Carnival Of Thieves - Welcome To The Carnival Catley, Mark & Geoff Mann - Off The End Of The Pier Show Different Trains - Goodbye to the Age of Steam Dizrythmia - Same Earthstone - Seed Electronic Orange - Orange Communication ELP - Tarkus ELP - ELP ELP - Pictures at an Exhibition ELP - Love Beach ELP - Works Vol 1 (2CD) Enchant - A Blueprint of the World Fyreworks, The - Same Hackett, Steve - Time Lapse Iron Clowns - Colour Of Danger Jakko - Kingdom Of Dust Jeremy - Pilgrim's Journey Journey - Departure Kilbey, Steve - Earthed Kimara - One Reality Lands End - Pacific Coast Highway Lands End - An Older Land Kansas - Greatest Hits Geoff Mann with The Bond - Peace Offering MKII - Burning Daylight Moom - Toot Niadems Ghost - In Sheltered Winds No Man - Loveblows & Lovecries No Man - Heaven Taste No Man - Flowermix No Man - Wild Opera No Man - Dry Cleaning Ray No Name - The Secret Garden Omega - Gammapolis Ravana - Common Daze Saga - The Security Of Illusion Saunders, Lee - Promise Of Peace Tea For The Wicked - Out To Lunch Threshold = Livedelica Timelock - The Dawn Various - Third Cyclops Sampler (exclusive tracks) Wakeman with Wakeman The Official Bootleg Wetton, John - Battle Lines Wetton, John - Akustica Ziff - Stories -- Andy Garner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Merry Christmas; it's THAT time :) Message-ID: Just dropping the usual end-of-year holiday greeting to my friends on the Jam, and a thanks to all of you who have helped to make 1997 a good year for me. As others have said several times, the enrichment gained from being here, learning about other great bands besides DT, and meeting new friends at shows makes it all worthwhile -- even though sometimes the Ytsejam can be pretty crappy. :) It's.....well, gee, how 'bout that, it's about 6:00 on a Christmas morning. :) Hope 1998 is a great year for all of us, and (mostly for us Americans) I hope Mr. Hankey thr Christmas Poo brings you everything you wanted for Christmas. :) What, you thought I'd go to bed before 6:00 am? Not on Christmas morning, but then again, I have no life. :) -- +-- I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye.... ---+ | I would raise a shelter to the sky... (Dream Theater, | | And here beneath this star tonight I lie.... "Surrounded") | +- Paul W. Cashman email_address_removed www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ 4151223 + ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3396 **************************