YTSEJAM Digest 3390 Today's Topics: 1) RE: Computer named after DT by "Robert O'Doherty" 2) Drums by "Charlie Korch" 3) JM by "Charlie Korch" 4) Marillion advice by "Brian P. Kelley" 5) Re: Derek or Jordan? by "James" 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3389 by Htdmhd 7) LATM by Edwin Voras 8) Re: Vintage Vinyl by Damon Fibraio 9) Re: LATM by belhai 10) Fanatic? You betcha!!!! by Jon Parmet 11) NDTC, the dj by Damon Fibraio 12) Merry Christmas by Arash Ashouriha 13) Re: The song I dislike the most off FII. by Stephen Dedalus 14) FFFFFFFFFFFFFATES! (long f'n post) by email_address_removed 15) speak to me/la brie by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) 16) parody by "John den Ouden" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:47:10 -0000 From: "Robert O'Doherty" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: Computer named after DT Message-ID: I'm the sys admin guy where I work and I have named our Backup Domain Controller - DreamTheatre. (In Ireland theatre is spelt with an -re and I went along with that spelling to avoid grief from all the wise-asses). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:49:04 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: Drums Message-ID: Jeremy, >I would be surprised if MP didn't trigger on any of the other albums. I am pretty damn sure that he used them on Awake, but only on the bass drum.< MP did not trigger any drums on Awake. I think that Awake has the best pure drum sound of any DT album (including FII). >99% of bands that use double bass today use triggers on the bass drum. < This statement is 99% incorrect. >reason for this is that as a drummer your left foot tends to be less conditioned than your right, causing uneven drum hits.< Only bad drummers have a lazy left foot. Mike's drumming is "good" enough to avoid having to trigger his bass drums because of a weak foot. >1. Don't ever, ever trigger the snare drum.<< I'll give you that one. I would never want to trigger a snare drum. >2. Don't ever stick the microphone: a. directly into the bass drum, unless you want a hollow sound.< Most bass drums are recorded by placing the microphone inside the bass drum. > b. directly under the snare drum. You'll hear every rattle.< This is up to the individual, but I do not like this method of miking either. >3. Make sure your heads are properly tuned. If you aren't sure how to do this, either 1. get a book or 2. find someone who knows how to do it. < This is one of the biggest problems with drummers. Most drummers don't know how to tune a drumset, so they wind up muffling it until it sounds like a cardboard box. Also, you will need to tune your drums differently in the studio, than in a live situation. >5. If your drum heads are more than 3 months old REPLACE except for the snare drum head, you can wait on the one. The best snare drum heads are the ones that are worn a little. < Why do you think that an old snare head is better? >6. Never use a plastic head on a snare drum, only use ambassador heads.< Ambassador heads are made of plastic. >7. Don't use Metal drumsticks for recording unless you don't plan on doing ANY rimshots. They cause a weird sound. < Metal drumsticks are awful, rimshots or not. The only decent metal stick (if you can call it that) are Easton drum sticks. They actually seem to produce a brighter sound than conventional wood sticks, but I'll stick with the wood. >8. Again, DON'T EVER TRIGGER ANYTHING BUT THE BASS DRUM!!< Triggering is not a bad idea when you have a limited budget. For example a bad drum set in a cheep studio, is inferior to a nice triggered set (preferably d-drums). The triggered set also only takes up two tracks as opposed to 10 to 12 tracks for an acoustic set. If a band is limited to 8 tracks (for financial reasons) electronic drums are the best way to go. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:10:41 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: JM Message-ID: Bill, >IMHO the fretless bass playing on FII is killer, I was wondering if JM >plays a fretless at all in concert? What fretless bass? Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:23:10 -0500 From: "Brian P. Kelley" To: email_address_removed Subject: Marillion advice Message-ID: Could anybody give me any info on which Marillion CDs to start off with? What are their best ones and is their style somewhat similar to DT? I hear Marillion mentioned on the Jam alot and I am eager to hear more of their music. The only one I distinctly remember is "Kaylee" [sp?] from the mid-80s. Reminded me a little of Simple Minds. I guess back then their music didn't hook me, and it definitely didn't sound "progressive". I'm sure their styles change from album to album though. Take the time, Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:19:22 -0800 From: "James" To: Subject: Re: Derek or Jordan? Message-ID: <01bd0efd$beb83560$LocalHost@mpeywdzn> > >Let the debate begin. I was at that show, and I did hear the LTE stuff, >and I must say, WHY WHY WHY didn't you join DT Jordan. I loved what I have > heard, and I will be the fist person on line to buy LTE when it comes out. >inspired by the other musicians (Levin and Rudess). I think Jordan wasn't into the extensive touring. He has a family and great day-job so I think it would've conflicted with that so he opted to go with Dixie Dregs. We need to ask him though to really know. Unfortunately, poor Derek has to be compared to Kevin and now Jordan . Kind of reminds me of how Steve Young has had to follow up to Joe Montana for the 49ers. :) The great thing for us fans is even though Kevin/Jordan left, we now can get 3X more music. Kevin, Jordan, and Derek on separate CDs. Merry Christmas, --james-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:25:19 EST From: Htdmhd To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3389 Message-ID: Does anybody have an exact release date for LTE?? John P. told me about it on 10/17 in Providence. Also,does anyone know of the material on the x-mas disc? I heard through the grapevine that there is a disc entitled "Instrumental II", which supposedly has a demo version of ACOS. Aside from DT, does anyone know how to get in touch with Rob Halford (his official site would help) ? I am looking for the song "Christmas Ride" by his defunct band Fight (they were AWESOME!). Any die-hard KISS or DT fans... I'd love to hear from ya! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:28 -0800 (PST) From: Edwin Voras To: Ytsejam Subject: LATM Message-ID: <19971222182840.YHYK6587@[166.33.99.41]> Yes there is a difference in the 2 Live at the Marquee's. One has Surrounded on it and the other has Another Day on it. Ytse on and have a Ytse X-mas All, eD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:55:51 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio To: "Dale R. Newberry" Subject: Re: Vintage Vinyl Message-ID: For the record, I live within walking distance of the VV in NJ. I should go and check out the DT single thing. Unfortunately, I am a broke bastard lately, so I can't buy any of them for anybody, but if you are in the area and are buying a DT single or CD, think of the #1 blind guy on the list. -- Damon Fibraio - (keyboardist, vocalist, college radio nightmare) eMail: "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends we're so glad you could attend. Come inside, come inside." --Emerson Lake and Palmer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:03:05 -0500 (EST) From: belhai To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: LATM Message-ID: > Yes there is a difference in the 2 Live at the Marquee's. One has Surrounded > on it and the other has Another Day on it. "Another day" is on the Japanese version while "surrounded" is on the German/English one. Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:33:27 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: Just Let Me Ytse Subject: Fanatic? You betcha!!!! Message-ID: Seroussi: > After all, the word fan is a shortening of the word fanatic, why > would anyone like to be a fanatic? Because it's fun to not always be in control :) Haven't you ever gone bazonkers when your favorite sports team is playing against a team they have no prayer of beating; and you're still out there cheering them on and getting furious like a rabid dog when they screw up even though it doesn't matter anyways? It's ok...it's fun :) -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio To: Dream Theater Mailing list Subject: NDTC, the dj Message-ID: OK. Upon hearing tons of references to http://www.thedj.com, I went to their web site. Realizing that my blind ass can't use Internet Explorer or Netscape very well, I used lynx to get the djplayer. Now, I've run into two problems. One, how do I see a list of channels? I want to find the progressive channel everybody is raving about. Secondly, why does the audio cut off a lot? I am using a 56K x2 modem, and it shouldn't happen like that. What the fuck is going on? If I shouldn't use the player, how do I find things through explorer? I have real player 5. Is there anything I shoudl do otherwise? Thanks. -- Damon Fibraio - (keyboardist, vocalist, college radio nightmare) eMail: "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends we're so glad you could attend. Come inside, come inside." --Emerson Lake and Palmer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:06:53 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Merry Christmas Message-ID: Hello everyone I wish you all Merry Christmas and a happy new year. Stay prog ;-) Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | OR | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | email_address_removed.de | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:19:56 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The song I dislike the most off FII. Message-ID: Greetings friends, All this talk about YNM being a bad song and all, I thought I'd add something. I really enjoy YNM because it's catchy and still has some of the writing stile always used by Petrucci. I like the harmonies in the chorus, too. The song I dislike most on the CD is TAMP. Yes, yes, I know it's for his father and it's all emotional and all, but I think It's poorly put together. The lyrics just don't go with the happy sounding music. The one part that makes sense is the bridge going into the solow. That's some emotional shit. Otherwise, I see this guy with a serine smile on his face tapping on someone's limo window and saying, "Pardon me, but would you take away my pain?" And please, no flames about how, "Not all songs about pain and suffering have to be in minor keys" and shit like that. I know that, but they shouldn't be put to music more apropriate for a love ballad. Be well. Matt B P.S. I never thought too much of TOT either. The solows are cool though. "That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:52:42 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: FFFFFFFFFFFFFATES! (long f'n post) Message-ID: :D WOW. Hell of a show. Now I have a long sleeve Fates Warning shirt, and another great prog metal memory. Once again, Fates hit the purple zit of Arizona, the Mason Jar, as their final stop. Kinda fitting, how it was the same place they started their tour so long ago. It was great just standing outside waiting for the fuckin' bouncers to let us all enter the building, talking about Dream Theater, Angra, Symphony X, Iron Savior, and how lame the American metal scene is with people I've probably met one other time in my life (the first Fates Warning gig). Hell, we even met up with some folks we stood next to at the other show; that dude who had his cigarette lit by Ray Alder tapped me and Vince on the shoulder and hung with us for half of the show! Anyhoo, it was great seeing the Arizona Ytsecrew again. It's too bad I didn't have a camera to capture Kizer's face after that waitress brushed up against him asking if he wanted a drink! Heh heh. Thanks to Mike Bahr for the little post-show bootleg distribution, and for hangin' out with Vince, me and Rob at IHOP after the show. It's too bad your batteries died out in your DAT dude, it would've been an awesome bootleg. Enough of this banter! THE REVIEW! Band #1: This band was boring as all hell. Straight forward rock 'n roll, with He-Man on guitar and Wierd Al on drums. I think they had at least one song break their two chord envelope. :P The lead guitar was so tasteless it made me want to take the dude's crap ass guitar and hit him upside the head with it. Oh well, at least they're up there playing what they like to play....crap. Band #2 (aka Poet Shaker): I was totally expecting a DT/Fates rip off band when these guys were setting up, with a keyboard, guitar, bass, drums and vocalist. Definitely progressive, and DEFINITELY KICK-ASS! I was very impressed with this local group, and I hope some executives will take the incentive to put this group on a label sometime. The singer was great, he conveyed the moods and emotions of the vocal lines beautifully. The keyboard solos and guitar/key harmonies were just AWESOME. I'd like to follow this band a little more. :) Band #3: I wasn't expecting an Austrian group to be playing the Mason Jar. Oh well. They were pretty fun. I couldn't hear much of their mix from my point (on the side, behind the big fuckin' monitor blocking off the entire stage from view). Their songs sounded like Slayer with cookie monster on lead vocals. They ended their set with this cool Russian metal song that just made me wanna squat kick with my arms folded. Band #4: Kiss cover band? You'd think, considering the amount of make up these posuers put on. I tell ya, they brought everything but talent and good taste to the stage. Smoke, flashing lights, and body parts hanging off your drum kit aren't a good substitute for musical talent. Need I say more? They didn't need to start whining about how oppressive Christianity is either. Shit, if yer gonna start whining about religion, get a little creative, like Type O's Christian Woman. :) *****FATES WARNING***** After joking with the underage side-of-stage crowd about how their fuckin' keyboard player got everybody sick, Ray Alder and company hit the stage. They opened their set with A Pleasant Shade of Gray, ended with stuff from No Exit and other songs from CDs I don't yet own, and a cover of Armoured Saint that just rocked too hard! I was standing behind the keyboard player (dude from Divine Regal, forgot his name) whose fingers were just FLYING all over the place, and was just impressed with how tight this band was. Zonder was the same beast on the drums he was last time, Ray hit his lines beautifully, Joey was the bad ass bass player I remembered him as (looked like he was growin' his hair out), and Matheos' guitar work was perfect. I know I don't need to say it here, but these guys deserve a show in a place far far better than that shithole dive Mason Jar. Something more like Sun Devil Stadium. }:) ~this has been another long winded Eckie concert review (c) 1997 Eckie Inc., Phoenix, AZ 666 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:05:16 -0800 (PST) From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) To: email_address_removed Subject: speak to me/la brie Message-ID: Have you heard 'Speak to me' yet? Man, what a depressing song. Not bad, just real depressing. Anyone else find a striking resemblance between LaBrie and Michael Douglas? 'I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception.' Groucho Marx Ha det! Niklas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:12:39 +0100 From: "John den Ouden" To: Subject: parody Message-ID: <01bd0f1e$55a42c20$message_id_removed.nl> Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BD0F26.B7689420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, This is the first time I'm on the list. I have been a voyeur to long. = Some snowball woman advised me to put something on the list.=20 I made a parody of the DT titles. I hope you like it. =20 Theater of Dreams (book one) =20 Part 1 =20 When Day and Dream Unite I become to see a Fortune in Lies. I change to = a Status Seeker and the people around me see a weird Majesty who = eventuality turn out to be the Killing Hand. They never caught him after = his Light Fuse and Get Away act. Is he some guy from the Afterlife? The = Ones Who Help to Set the Sun tries to get rid of him. It=92s Only a = Matter of Time. =20 Part 2 =20 Don=92t bother me with Images and Words. Pull me Under I=92m not afraid. = Just living Another Day and Take the Time. O.K. I=92m surrounded in this = Metropolis watching them Under a Glass Moon. I=92m so exhausted, I Wait = for Sleep. Still Learning to live.=20 Part 3 =20 I Awake at 6:00. Still Caught in a Web my Innocence Faded. Is this = Erotomania or the Voices in my head? The Silent Man is watching me on = the otherside of The Mirror and he only see my big Lie. Don=92t try to = influence the Lifting Shadows of a Dream. I=92m to Scarred for that. It = is better that I disappear than to surrender to the Space-Dye Vest. =20 Part 4 =20 They do not know in what for Change Of Seasons I escape. Great to see = the The Crimson Sunrise. I=92m, glad that there is so much Innocence in = this Carpe Diem. Overwhelmed bye the Darkest of Winters. Just Another = World with the Inevitable Summer and The Crimson Sunset. It is a cover = of the original but if you like it you see it as The Big Medley. =20 Part 5 =20 Nothing happen, I=92m Falling into Infinity. Maybe it is time for a New = Millennium. This is not a battle between us, are You not Me? Look into = the Peruvian Skies and you only see lies.=20 Wake up, you live only in Hollow Years. This is not easy, just Burning = my Soul in this Hell=92s Kitchen. This have nothing to do with write = Lines in the Sand only to Take Away my Pain. Just Let me Breathe and let me think of Anna Lee. There I walking with a = Trial of Tears. Don=92t blame it on the weather It is Raining. Feeling = I=92m walking Deep in Heaven but I belong in The Wasteland. =20 Theater of Dreams (book two)=20 =20 The search for Metropolis II =20 JoHn ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BD0F26.B7689420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
This is the first time I'm on the list. = I have been=20 a voyeur to long. Some snowball woman advised = me to=20 put something on the list.
I made a parody of the DT titles. I = hope you like=20 it.
 
Theater of Dreams (book=20 one)
    
Part 1
     =
When=20 Day and Dream Unite I become to see a Fortune in Lies. I change to a = Status=20 Seeker and the people around me see a weird Majesty who eventuality turn = out to=20 be the Killing Hand. They never caught him after his Light Fuse and Get = Away=20 act. Is he some guy from the Afterlife? The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun = tries=20 to get rid of him. It’s Only a Matter of = Time.
    =20
Part 2
    
Don’t bother me with = Images and=20 Words. Pull me Under I’m not afraid. Just living Another Day and = Take the=20 Time. O.K. I’m surrounded in this Metropolis watching them Under a = Glass=20 Moon. I’m so exhausted, I Wait for Sleep. Still Learning to live.=20

Part 3
    
I Awake at 6:00. Still = Caught in=20 a Web my Innocence Faded. Is this Erotomania or the Voices in my head? = The=20 Silent Man is watching me on the otherside of The Mirror and he only see = my big=20 Lie. Don’t try to influence the Lifting Shadows of a Dream. = I’m to=20 Scarred for that. It is better that I disappear than to surrender to the = Space-Dye Vest.
    
Part=20 4
    
They do not know in what for Change Of = Seasons=20 I escape. Great to see the The Crimson Sunrise. I’m, glad that = there is so=20 much Innocence in this Carpe Diem. Overwhelmed bye the Darkest of = Winters. Just=20 Another World with the Inevitable Summer and The Crimson Sunset. It is a = cover=20 of the original but if you like it you see it as The Big=20 Medley.
    
Part=20 5
    
Nothing happen, I’m Falling into = Infinity. Maybe it is time for a New Millennium. This is not a battle = between=20 us, are You not Me? Look into the Peruvian Skies and you only see lies. =
Wake=20 up, you live only in Hollow Years. This is not easy, just Burning my = Soul in=20 this Hell’s Kitchen. This have nothing to do with write Lines in = the Sand=20 only to Take Away my Pain.
Just Let me Breathe and let me think of = Anna Lee.=20 There I walking with a Trial of Tears. Don’t blame it on the = weather It is=20 Raining. Feeling I’m walking Deep in Heaven but I belong in The=20 Wasteland.
    
Theater of Dreams (book=20 two) 
 
The search for Metropolis = II
 
JoHn
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