YTSEJAM Digest 3378 Today's Topics: 1) OK, How fitting is this? by Chad Mitchell 2) Oops.... by "James" 3) album does not = vinyl by Steve Zebrowski 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3377 by Rick Booth 5) Hey all! by Jeremy Kube 6) speed picking and prog singers by "woot" 7) TSO by Joe DeAngelo 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3374 by email_address_removed 9) ACOS triggers by Rick Audet 10) Symphony X by Dominique De Jesus Oliveira 11) Atlanta 12/16/97 -- home cookin' DT style!!! by "Brian P. Kelley" 12) Actual DT Content-Lyrical Question by "Trevor W. Hoit" 13) Re: Savatage members by Nigel Bridgeman 14) happy holidays and grow the f up. by Antti Nyrhinen 15) Kerrang review of London gig by Graham Borland 16) Monk and 'Trane by "Robin Fernie" 17) Re: WDADU by Jim Suplizio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:30:11 -0600 (CST) From: Chad Mitchell To: email_address_removed Subject: OK, How fitting is this? Message-ID: > Okay I am off to therapy, last post for the day > > graham 'nuff said. ;-) (Jus' kidding) Here's a suggestion - if ya *absolutely* have to post a top 10 - 1) Do a Top 5 instead 2) Just list your choices, don't explain them in detail 3) Do it all on one or two lines instead of a bulleted list 4) Definitely consider shortening the big-ass sig files. After seeing my old one a few times, I shortened it myself. Example: My top 5 of 1997 - 1__Marillion, "This Strange Engine", 2__DT, "Falling...", 3__Marillion, "Script...remaster", 4__IQ, "Subterranea", 5__Live, "Secret Samadhi" There, see, that wasn't too bad. 3-4 lines, depending on your email program. Anyway, it's a suggestion. Chad Mitchell Owner/GM - Oklahoma Outlaws "Doctors get to bury their mistakes, Architects can only advise their client to plant vines." -Frank Lloyd Wright ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:33:27 -0800 From: "James" To: Subject: Oops.... Message-ID: <01bd0b6e$15f92700$ebb15ecc@mpeywdzn> Oops....I didn't mean to send the last e-mail Excuse me. Outlook Express seems to send and receive things automatically before you actually press 'Send and Receive' at the top of the menu. --james-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: album does not = vinyl Message-ID: > Man, there are actually people still buying vinyl? I mean, I know I was > late hopping on the CD bandwagon, but even *I* haven't bought an album > in close to 10 years!!! Ok, I know this quote was made in jest but I would just like to point out to people that the big black circle things are not ALBUMS. the music that is contained thereupon is an ALBUM. An album is a collection. People have photo albums, right? Are they on a big black piece of waxy vinyl? I think not. an album is a collection a record is something that is recorded an LP is something that is longer than an EP vinyl is vinyl albums can be recorded onto whatever medium an artist deems neccesary, be it CD or tape or DAT or minidisc or vinyl. Thank you for your time, Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:07:17 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Booth To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3377 Message-ID: > >TOP 10 PROG CLICHES > > > > Now this is fucking hilarious I couldn't help it. I HAD to post that. > >Has anyone heard the I&W demo ver of Change of Seasons (on the antiquities > prism disc) > > >If so, does it have lyrics/singing? > > Yes I have, yes it does, if you are looking for an instrumental version of > ACOS check out the 'Instrumental II' bootleg CD. > Cool... I traded my LIE single for some Mike Bahr CDR dupes and should be getting both of those (Instrumental II and Antiq) It will be nice to hear the 1992-era ACOS... w/ Kev... w/ Original lyrics. And WITHOUT the annoying I&W drum triggers. > somewhat different, as is the music (which seems to take a more > neoclassical stance in some part) Demo quality sound, but overal worth > it. Neoclassical stance eh? Sounds nice... # "The great thing about playing for this band as opposed to other # # bands is that these guys encourage me to actually play the keyboard, # # not just hold down pads. # # --Derek Sherinian--- | $%*+=) http://www.busprod.com/hellion (=+*%$ # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:13:43 -0500 From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: Hey all! Message-ID: Well, I'm back home and back on! If you have anything to say/tell me, this is my address until the 5th of Jan. Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:28:07 -0700 From: "woot" To: Subject: speed picking and prog singers Message-ID: <000701bd0b75$ba75bf80$4c2746cf@sir> I'm also betting there was a typo in the Guinness index. It wasn't the ex= tra 0 though because JP has 540 notes in a minute beat easily and I know he isn't the fastest out there. I have yet to listen to a prog band with a soprano singer, although it mi= ght be kinda interesting. Very far from a cliche though. Just watched Contact again. Too bad it isn't mindless gore or else there= 's some Emmy awards to be given out here. ah well we all know about good stu= ff that doesn't get its due... woot=99 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:49:36 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: TSO Message-ID: I picked up Trans-Siberian Orchestra's "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" yesterday at Harmony House. I figured when I asked the employee there about it he would've thought I was nuts, but lo and behold..... He came up with it! Anyhow, I must say that this is a must-have disc. I can't stand Christmas music (generally speaking), but this has singlehandedly changed my perspective! Also, I must add that the others posting on this subject were correct: Your Mom, and other rock-haters will like this CD too (just don't tell her it's Savatage, until after she's said it's good. ;-) LOL!) Thanks guys (for recommending it) - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:17:55 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3374 Message-ID: D-man: if you're in a faq-updating mood, i have an idea. Why don't you make a "other bands you would like" section, like in the savatage faq, which is where I got the idea. josh email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:21:22 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ACOS triggers Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Rick Booth wrote: > It will be nice to hear the 1992-era ACOS... w/ Kev... w/ Original > lyrics. And WITHOUT the annoying I&W drum triggers. Triggers? What triggers? -Rick Audet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:57:09 +0100 From: Dominique De Jesus Oliveira To: email_address_removed Subject: Symphony X Message-ID: Hi, Symphony X is great Progressive - Medieval - Metal band, their music is so Powerfull that I would like to play it then ... Does somebody know where I can find Tabs of Symphony X ? :) Very thanks for your future answers . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:26:22 -0500 From: "Brian P. Kelley" To: email_address_removed Subject: Atlanta 12/16/97 -- home cookin' DT style!!! Message-ID: Maaaaaan!!!!!! What can I say that I'm sure has or hasn't been said of this Atlanta show? For one thing, this was my first DT experience (and certainly won't be my last!!! :) Special thanks to Cashman for "scamming me up" to the front of the line and Wes "Beavis" and a couple others I can't recall off hand. Fortunately, Paul spotted the Griffith's YTSEJAM shirt! Met the Vaiman and Co. later! (after the show, that is!) Sorry I missed ya, Adam Pye!! And the lines outside to get in were just PACKED like sardines!!! Btw, was the show deemed a sellout? Paul, Beavis, some fellow Jammers and I were front of the line as we happily crammed up at the very front wall at the stage. But not before coming out once before prematurely as Big Wreck were still soundchecking. OOOOPS!!!!! Try it again, lads!! I was pretty impressed with Big Wreck but I wouldn't go out of my way to see them, y'know!! The guitarist/singer who, by the way, does have a striking resemblance to Chris Cornell, played a really nice solo in that set. The bassist did some good thumping and the drummer was decent, which looks like a dwarf compared to the "beast" underneath the big tarp onstage (MP's drumkit! :) They only played about 40 minutes or so! A fairly decent appetizer, but now it was time for THE MAIN COURSE!!! The Clockwork Orange has spun, the Rooster has finally crowed, the lights are out and... the band takes the stage around 10:40. WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!! My first dose of DT magic is upon me! First, of course is Derek. I must say he is truly one strange looking dude with that 70s wardrobe he was wearing. I loved all the lava lamps and the white shag carpets too! Long live retro!!! :) One by one, the rest come out and we are off to the races! DT whipped into the intro with blistering furiocity! Observing JLB closely, I can see how much of a domineering, confident vocalist he actually is!! He is moving around constantly and looking deep into the eyes of the audience with such vigor and passion. He truly loves his job, I'm sure! JP (or "The Trooch" as I call him) was stage right and taking command of his screaming guitar to the masses. Hail to the King of Shred! JM was right in front of Paul and I. Who says JM's the "Silent Man"?! I heard his bass just fine!! ;) MP is beating and pounding the life out of those skins like the thunder of the drum gods! The DS-JP syncopated harmony and the JM-MP rhythm section were in full force, ready to tear down the walls of the mighty Masquerade. And this was only THE FIRST SONG. . . . . . . . . . Well I'll skip through the rest of the show for now because it is late and I'm tired as hell. Also, when I'm tired, I tend to blab endlessly :) Here is the setlist... Lines BMS Voices * UaGM HY Crack/Puppies -> ACOS II: Innocence -> JLMB ** PS PMU Scarred -> ACOS IV: Darkest of Winters -> Ytse Jam/Drumz NM ACOS VII: Crimson Sunset*** E: Metropolis Pt. I **** * some security bastard confiscated my 1000-speed film. tried to con him with an unused roll, but to no avail. i surrended my roll from my camera too! (man, those shots of JLB and JM would've been sweet!) oh well, there's always memories... :) ** made a surprise reference to our "hero" Mitchell Foy. Oh yes, justice prevails!!! *** w/Fortune of Lies and Lie teases **** w/B-52s Rock Lobster and Metallica's One. Eat your heart out, Hetfield! ;) All in all, there are not enough words to describe the magic of a DT concert! This will probably serve as one of my TOP 5 BEST SHOWS EVER!!! (IF NOT #1!!!) 'Da boyz were on fire and there was no sign of them cooling off!! Nobody can describe their awesome technical prowess without seeing them live! They all seemed to be enjoying themselves, even JM sneaked in a smirk or two during the set! :) At the bus, they were just as nice and down-to-earth! Met Vaiman out there too! Got our respective DT souvenir wall posters signed, didn't have the $$$ for a Tour shirt :( Upon being asked how he feels being in DT, Derek replied "What?! Are you kidding!? They're the best!" A bunch of great guys and superb musicians! Attn: Brandon Vaughn. I talked to JP about the ACOS tab project and to paraphrase what he said: "Yes, I've received it but I am not working on it right now. I'm presently working on [the tabs?] for FII." I guess he's just putting it on the shelf for now. Still, he appreciates all the work and effort into your project! Yawn! I am off to bed right now. I'll probably post a follow-up review to this later, but not now -- for I am "waiting for sleep". Sweet music and sweet dreams.... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ... Take the time, Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:28:18 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'DT'" Subject: Actual DT Content-Lyrical Question Message-ID: In the chorus of Hollow Years, after James sings "Bury me in the sand", Mike sings something like "up to the waves" or "into the waves" or something waves. Does anyone know what the lyric is? Also where can I find the lyrics to "You OR Me"? I wish Desomond would have kept the bass intro to this song. The Way It Used to Be kicks ass. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:25:20 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Savatage members Message-ID: Josh wrote: >Savatage is pretty confusing. No they're not :) >I just checked my 5 or 6 albums, the oldest being gutter ballet, and as far >as I can tell, it's like a revolving membership. The only guy on all my >albums is the bassist. Jon Oliva's on most of them, but not handful of rain... >except he *is*, as a "backup" keyboardist or something. He doesn't get a >picture in that one, though. Same with edge of thorns... J. Oliva's not in >photo, is noted as keyboardist, but a space below the other members. And >Zak sings. On the others, Jon sings, and sometimes, Chris Caffery is there, >sometimes, not there. And the drummer was a constant, until DWD. But I'm >sure he'll be back, just to fuck me up some more. OK, Jon Oliva has performed on every album. On Edge of Thorns, he just does keys, as far as I know, and on Handful of Rain he's credited with "additional keyboards". This isn't entirely accurate - he did all of the drums (Steve Wacholz just popped in for the photo shoot and the promo video for whatever the single was), some of the guitars and most of the bass, if I remember correctly. Oh, and he co-wrote all of the songs (as he always does). Talented chap. Johnny Lee Middleton joined the band for Fight for the Rock, replacing Keith Collins. He's played on every album since then. >Since Edge of Thorns and Handfull of Rain(the two best albums, far and away) >have similar member configs, I have to assume that J. Oliva works best with >keyboards, and Zak should stay on vocals. Most of you seem to agree with >that. I prefer Jon to Zak. Ask this on the Savatage mailing list and I think most would agree with me. But that makes me sound pompous, so don't say I said anything. >And oh yeah, before C. Oliva's unfortunate death, he too was only in some of >the albums...no wait, he was in all of them, sorry. I can't keep this >straight. Why did Caffery leave and come back? And who's on what for Wake >of Magellan? The line-up for WoM is the same as DWD, except that this time Jon is listed as a band member and appears in the photos too. Hope I got everything right. There's a FAQ at www.savatage.com which is pretty good. Don't think it's been updated recently, though, and it still doesn't answer a question I have about "Alone You Breathe" I've had - why do the lyrics make it sound like Criss killed himself when he obviously didn't? Must be too deep for me to understand. Spiff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:04:06 +0200 (EET) From: Antti Nyrhinen To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: happy holidays and grow the f up. Message-ID: OK, I'm heading back home for a 6 week holiday, and I have to say that as far as the quality of this mailing list goes, my break couldn't have come at a better time. In the last two jams I just read there was maybe 10% DT content (two gig reviews, thumbs up!), 80% flame content, 5% sports (hey, I like sports but keep it elsewhere) and 5% other assorted crap. I wish you all - especially the good guys such as Rogerio, RTK Bahr, Dman and Dr.M - a merry christmas and a happy new year - I'll be back in February. I hope the loud minority that's making the digests a pain to read can grow up and keep off each others' throats in 1998. T-65 days or so.. got me tickets and all.. can't wait! merries and happies to yas, antti - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Antti Nyrhinen -- email_address_removed.ee -- Tel. +358-40-5858611 - Student of Int. Bus. Admin. at the Estonian Business School - - - - Find all you need in your mind if you take the time - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:54:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland To: YtseJam Subject: Kerrang review of London gig Message-ID: Here follows a transcript of Kerrang's review of the Dream Theater gig in London last week. Surreal or what? Two fans faint tonight during the show, and there's a television set on top of one of the amps showing Aston Villa's UEFA Cup match live - while the band are playing! You don't expect anything like this to happen at a Dream Theater show, which is supposed to be about po-faced, virtuoso talent and epic, unyielding songs. But then, Dream Theater themselves are somewhat of a surprise. Sure, there's an enormous display of amazing musicianship and, at times, it's difficult to fathom when one song actually ends and another begins. But they're also very heavy, very entertaining and very focussed. Arguably the biggest progressive rock band of the '90s, the band draw equal inspiration from Queensryche, Rush, Judas Priest and Slayer. Every song dips and dives through a welter of emotions and styles, yet it all sounds so natural and fluent. From "Lines in the Sand", through the likes of "Hollow Years", "Peruvian Skies" and "Under a Glass Moon", they hold the capacity crowd spellbound. Not only are this lot consummate musos, but they're also performers who project character, humour and passion - and when they pull a version of Deep Purple's "Perfect Strangers", it sounds even better than the original! Surreal. 4/5 Malcolm Dome This is definitely *not* what I'd normally expect from Kerrang. Maybe Portnoy's ranting got the message across. ;-) Nevertheless, I still intend to write in to complain about their woeful lack of DT coverage. On a completely different note, I'd like to clear up some confusion. I (Graham Borland, from Scotland) am not Graham Boyle from Australia. I notice that Graham's been involved in a few "arguments" on the list lately, and people have been quoting his posts under my name! I'm not trying to cause trouble with this . . . I'd just appreciate it if people could take care to ensure that they're quoting the correct person. Graham -- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:27:27 +0000 From: "Robin Fernie" To: email_address_removed Subject: Monk and 'Trane Message-ID: Both Monk and Coltrane were way out players in the jazz world. Coltrane and Charlie Parker were probably the biggest influences on jazz after the swing era ended, just about single handedly starting bebop as we know it. There were a lot of other influences, including Dizzy G. and Miles Davies, but these 2 took the art of improv over the top. Coltrane's most famous stuff includes Giant Steps, but I prefer his version of _My Favourite Things_, which got treated with a really weird Eastern vibe. Monk was a really fantastic player - I heard that he actually didn't know how to play but had perfect pitch, and basically busked every improv he did. Is this true, 'cos some of that stuff rules! I'd recommend anyone to go out and get some bebop - it'll give you an excellent source of ideas for your own improv - it breaks away from the typical scalar approach and extends into chord substitutions that actually work.(!) Other stuff to look at if you like that type of vibe is anything with Frank Gambale (Chick Corea's Elektric Band) as well as his solo albums. Are there actually any other South African jammers out there? Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:03:38 -0500 From: Jim Suplizio To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: WDADU Message-ID: Someone had posted a few jams back that they were having trouble getting WDADU. I was just at a local record shop last night and they had a copy of it there for like $11. Email me privately, I'd have no problem picking up the copy and shipping it (after christmas, the post office is a frigging mad house) to another jammer. Email privately. Jim -- "We are all books of blood, as soon as we're open we're red" --Clive Barker ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3378 **************************