YTSEJAM Digest 3370 Today's Topics: 1) Atlanta FW show setlist by Phil Carter 2) Re: MTV by "Dale R. Newberry" 3) setlist monotony conspiracy by Scotch 4) Re: Boston Show Stuff. by Michael Burstin 5) SAVATAGE by Joe DeAngelo 6) Rectal surgery/Yes: seeing is believing by The Cute Hanson 7) Vanden Plas by "Ville Rassi" 8) Fatezzzzz by "Paul W. Cashman" 9) Marv Albert's favorite band by "Jason Birzer" 10) Working Man/Portnoy by Rick Booth 11) Re: Working Man/Portnoy by Mark Jeffrey McEuen 12) Dead Winter Dead, Canadians ;), Pat Metheny (lotsa DTC...uh by "Neal Brown" 13) Prog rock by "Neal Brown" 14) Re: LaBrie by Joakim Blomberg 15) Dream Theater...... on radio....... in AUSTRALIA!! by Scott Fuller 16) Petrucci using tab vs. using staff notation by Michael Bahr 17) The Silent Man & Portnoy by Rogerio Brito ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:38:20 -0500 From: Phil Carter To: Keeper of the Seven Ytses Subject: Atlanta FW show setlist Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... I wrote: >>From what I recall, the setlist went something like this: >>1) APSOG >>encore 1: >>1) At Fates Hands >>2) Point of View >>3) a song I didn't recognize, sorry, but with VICIOUS time changes >>encore 2: >>1) The Eleventh Hour >>run directly into 2) Point of View and Charlie corrected me with: >Actually, the last song was Monument. It was killer, although it would >have been nice to hear the second guitar, instead of the keys subbing for >the now Fate-less Frank Aresti. ARGH. That's what comes of not proofreading your post after you've made changes. I originally had it as "Encore 1 -- At Fates Hands/Monument/other song" and "Encore 2 -- "The Eleventh Hour/Point of View." Then I remembered that Monument was last, and changed the first one to read "At Fates Hands/Point of View." I then forgot to change the other one back to "Monument." Idiot. :) But Charlie's right. It kicked, even without the second guitar. Does anybody know how Fates is doing trying to find a second guitarist? Or have they given up on it for the time being? Happy holidays, Phil ========================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Mormon Tabernacle Choir -- "This is Christmas" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:32:34 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: MTV Message-ID: > Please don't consider this a defense of MTV. The reason they dropped they > all-video format - ratings. How can this be? Good question. The way > ratings are computed, they consider time spent watching. MTV's video format > had a *very* low rating in this important area, because channel surfers just > "flip" when a video they don't like comes on. This would keep many > advertisers from investing in MTV. So, they added game shows, etc., to try > and hold people longer. And numbers-wise, it works. Of course, it's > terrible for music, but then MTV had long since lost any credibility anyway :) I can definitely see how that would be reason to alter the format somewhat, but at least they could've made the non-video programming somewhat music-related, y'know, like documentaries, live performances, etc. At least then they could still honestly call themselves music television. Dale R. Newberry "Evil Villains, stand down from the funk." - Space Ghost "The collective archetype is gettin' down." -Jim Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:55:34 -0400 From: Scotch To: Delirium Tremens Subject: setlist monotony conspiracy Message-ID: Random thought. Maybe the reason DT doesn't very their setlists is to purposely fuck up bootleggers. Who's going to buy a bunch of bootleg CDs if every show sounds the same? S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:29:08 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Boston Show Stuff. Message-ID: > From: Andrew Rittner > Subject: Boston Show Stuff. > than ever before. The only downside was that right as he was about to > start the Ytsejam solo, some girl levitated out of the crowd, and > floated in front of him for the duration of said solo, thus blocking > my only line of site. (The other was blocked by Thor the > Leather-Clad Death-Maker, who moved in front of me earlier in the > show) But MP threw a stick into the crowd, almost as if he knew, and > in the ensuing battle, the girl kind of floated off the side, out of > my way. Apparently I am not yet worthy to witness the Ytsejam solo, > since every time I try, someone seems to float out in front of me. I > think God is just protecting my eyes from bursting. > that would be the annoying b**ch that came up, and tried to pick a fight with the 3 or 4 of us Ytsejammers in the front row, and her even more annoying boyfriend. I think everyone in the front of the place was ready to kill these 2, but the damn club did nothing, there was a guard right there watching this occur... I think the girl actually punched some other girl in the face during the show. -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: email_address_removed Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:48:43 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo To: email_address_removed Subject: SAVATAGE Message-ID: However, I think the lead > singer's voice is a little too gravelly for my taste. Especially, in > the title track, he sounds a little too much like James Hetfield. Any > differing opinions? I actually think Savatage's singer sounds just like the guy from Skid Row (Sebastian Bach? or something), at least on the Edge of Thorns CD. - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:47:18 -0800 (PST) From: The Cute Hanson To: email_address_removed Subject: Rectal surgery/Yes: seeing is believing Message-ID: >>>Why do you think they don't play WDADU songs in concert anymore >>>(except for Ytsejam)? It's because James is such a fucking baby >>>he can't handle singing songs from another singer. > >>I guess that's why he's singing "To Live Forever" and >>"A Fortune In Lies" on my LiT video, huh? :) /me pulls person's head out of his butt! ;-) To Live Forever doesn't count because it was never released during the Charlie years. If it was then we'd have to include Metropolis because that's an Charlie era song that DT had done with him on their 1989 tour. AND, that video is three fucking tours old! ;-) Since that tour they've toured for Awake, a mini tour for ACoS and are touring for FII. I don't remember who originally said it, but a member of DT in an interview said that they would not be doing any songs from WDADU live because they felt it wasn't fair to James. If they are still doing Another Hand live in Europe then maybe they just meant in the USA, who knows. >Once I heard a song that sounded like an 80s synthpop song, and the >DJ said it was Rush. I don't think I heard the song title. Could >you give me some direction as to what album this was? It was probably any song Rush released from 1982-87, just pick one! ;-) Hearing Yes before seeing them live: Not necessary at all. See, the music is to my ears much more involved than DT, and the lyrics suck. But, as Stuart Smalley would say, "that's....OK" because lyrics for Yes are just there to accompany the music, not be coherent. ;-) Plus they just plain old kick ass live. This is a band that's been around for 30 years and continue to amaze me. Jon Anderson sounds exactly the same as he did 30 years ago and Steve and Chris (ALL hail the master of the Bass!) haven't lost a step. Even though Bill Bruford and Rick Wakeman aren't in the band at this time, their replacements are no sloutches. Alan White is a great drummer and I was impressed with Igor's (is that ee-gore or eye-gore? ;-) ) playing also. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:03:37 PST From: "Ville Rassi" To: email_address_removed Subject: Vanden Plas Message-ID: Hey. How many of you think that these guys kick ass?I do!Get the rainmaker song from Dr Mosh´s page.It totally rips!I hope they´re still opening for DT when they hit Finland next year. -Vilzu- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:04:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Fatezzzzz Message-ID: > From: "Charlie Korch" > To: email_address_removed > > >From what I recall, the setlist went something like this: > >1) APSOG > >encore 1: > >1) At Fates Hands > >2) Point of View > >3) a song I didn't recognize, sorry, but with VICIOUS time changes > > I think the name of that song is "The Ivory Gate Of Dreams" or something > like that. Yep. They played a part of it, and if you caught Ray's comment he said "this is something we'll play for special people...." and then he added kinda quietly and jokingly "--and because we're off tomorrow." :) > >encore 2: > >1) The Eleventh Hour > >run directly into 2) Point of View > > Actually, the last song was Monument. It was killer, although it would > have been nice to hear the second guitar, instead of the keys subbing for > the now Fate-less Frank Aresti. Yup, "Monument." Fates has been played precisely once here in the last (who knows?) ... six months, and "Monument" was the song we played. I'll continue to bring some FW CDs with me down to WREK on Fridays and spin 'em every once in a while. > > while Zonder, madman that he is, made it look like > >having four feet and eight arms was nothing unusual.< > > Zonder was the highlight for me. His playing has never ceased to amaze me. > After the show someone asked Mark "how did you get so good, and how do I > get that good". Zonder replied a simple "lots of practice". It was fun seeing a drummer make good use of electronic pads and triggers -- not something you see much of nowadays. > > And finally, Ray Alder -- those of > >you who think the vocals on FW's albums are all done with effects, smoke > >and mirrors -- you can just forget that. Ray has one of the strongest > >voices I've heard in concert. < > > I agree 100%. Ray's voice was fantastic, and to top it off he was very > modest. After the show, I asked him how he sings like that night after > night, and he said "oh, not every night"......."Thank you". Yep. He was referring to the fact that they were off the next day, so he could "stretch" his voice a bit during the show. (I was right there next to ya when you asked him, and I'm sure that was his meaning.) -- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | email_address_removed | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... --+---- ICQ #4151223 -----+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:24:20 -0500 From: "Jason Birzer" To: "The Jam" Subject: Marv Albert's favorite band Message-ID: >Now many people think that this 70s progressive rock craze started with >Rush. That may be true to an extent, but you actually should go back in >time about 3-4 years with Yes and Emerson Lake and Palmer. These bands were >playing 20-minute epics a few years before 2112 or Hemispheres. Take "Tales >from Topographic Oceans" for instance -- a brilliant masterpiece with one >long theme on each of four sides. Once Yes acquired Steve Howe for "The Yes >Album" after the departure of Peter Banks, the band totally expanded the >boundaries and possibilities of their compositions. Note that I say >"compositions" and not "songs" here. Yes and ELP were WAY ahead of their >time in 1972. I cannot conceivably see how they performed their music with >such intense, rigorous precision and make it sound so beautiful! If you want to talk about the beginings of prog rock, you should start with bands like King Crimson and The Nice, which both had members that would become ELP. You could throw Pink Floyd in there, but they were more psycedelic than progressive in the beginning. >Brahms" from Fragile). It's too bad he's left Yes for a "now third time" >and "for good" :( after 1996. And who can forget the soulful, spiritual I wouldn't ever say "for good" with Yes. I didn't think most of the "classic" Yes members would ever get back together. The guy they did bring on the tour, Igor Khorshev (sp), was somewhat impressive when I saw them a couple of months ago. I'm looking forward to them doing a full album with him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Birzer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music "The Longshot" but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity." email_address_removed Rush - The Spirit Of Radio -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:20:22 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Booth To: email_address_removed Subject: Working Man/Portnoy Message-ID: On the IRC interview with Mike Portnoy he says that he was "disappointed by Neil Peart's reaction to Working Man"--the Rush tribute. I have a couple questions regarding this: 1) What tracks did MP play drums on? 2) What was Peart's reaction to the tribute album? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:56:25 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Working Man/Portnoy Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Rick Booth wrote: > On the IRC interview with Mike Portnoy he says that he was "disappointed > by Neil Peart's reaction to Working Man"--the Rush tribute. > > I have a couple questions regarding this: > > 1) What tracks did MP play drums on? Actually, he played drums on about half the CD. The exact tracks are: Working Man, By-Tor and the Snow Dog, Analog Kid, The Trees, La Villa Strangiato, and Jacob's Ladder. > 2) What was Peart's reaction to the tribute album? I don't know the exact details, but he wasn't happy with it. I think he's been quoted as saying it was just a bunch of bar bands trying to cash in on Rush's name. Mark McEuen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:04:21 PST From: "Neal Brown" To: email_address_removed Subject: Dead Winter Dead, Canadians ;), Pat Metheny (lotsa DTC...uh Message-ID: >I just recently got DWD, and I think that musically, it is wonderful! >I particularly like "This Isn't What We Meant," "One Child," >"Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24," and "Not What You See." However, I >think the lead singer's voice is a little too gravelly for my taste. > Especially, in the title track, he sounds a little too much like >James Hetfield. Any differing opinions? I have DWD....I barely was able to get through it. Great storyline, passable lyrics, horrible music. I mean, every song was verse-chorus stuff, without any surprises. I could tell what was coming every time, with no exceptions. I'm going to sell it off...sorry if you're a Savatage fan but I don't know whether Calling All Stations or DWD was the worst album I bought this year. >I encourage all to watch Much Music (Canadian MTV). They play good >stuff. Of course, Rush gets adequate airplay. Thank god. Heh heh. This comes as no surprise. >"..." -- Derek Sherinian, Mike Portnoy - The Silent Man Heh heh. Doesn't MP play a tamourine or something? Some of the more adventurous Jammers may want to check out Pat Metheny...I just got "Imaginary Day" today, and I'm listening to it right now. Very interesting stuff. Definitely not in the rock world, definitely jazzy, but with nearly every instrument you can think of, and a whole lot more that you've never heard of. I'm not even halfway through it but I like it a lot. This is really unusual stuff...some of the chord changes have this elevator music sound, but I think that's just cuz of the clean jazz guitar. Some of it sounds a bit proggy to me, at first listen....Anybody know anything else about him? He's got a whole slew of other releases out.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:25:52 PST From: "Neal Brown" To: email_address_removed Subject: Prog rock Message-ID: >From: "Brian P. Kelley" >To: "Yes Jam?!?" >Subject: Re: Yes The Moody Blues were the first real prog band, although they're not really very progressive....they just thought they were artsy cuz they had an orchestra play on their album ;) King Crimson was the first important prog band though....In The Court came out in '69....ELP, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, and Yes became prog bands in the next two years, and Kansas and Rush didn't release an album til 74...Zappa and the Mothers put out their first album in 65 I think but I'm not too familiar with Zappa (his albums are too damn expensive to buy new and I can never find em used)... Btw...that Pat Metheny album I mentioned...heh heh. It's not jazz. Some of it is. Some of it's prog rock. Some of it's classical music sorta. Some of it's other stuff I dunno how to classify. This stuff is out there. Once again, anybody know anything about this guy? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:28:37 +0100 (CET) From: Joakim Blomberg To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LaBrie Message-ID: Haven't you heard "Live at the Marquee"? He sings both "Fortune in Lies" and "The Killing Hand" so don't talk about something you don't know anything about!!! Jocke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:27:40 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Fuller To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater...... on radio....... in AUSTRALIA!! Message-ID: Yes my friends, strange but true. One of my friends (DT fan) confirmed that "New Millennium" was played during Triple J's Three Hours of Power. So all you Australian jammers, get on the phone to your local Triple J Radio station, and get the requests rolling! You can also go here http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/requests/default.htm but I don't know if it's active until next year. Anyway, now that they've played them once, getting them played again should be easy (well, easier). They might even know who we're talking about now! ;) Scott +=====================================================================+ >>>>>The Dream Theater Image Archive<<<<< http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/wellerville/10/index.html >>>>>The Spacedye Ring Homepage<<<<< http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/5473/ +=====================================================================+ The race is not always won by the fastest runner but sometimes by those who just keep running. --Unattributed _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:03:03 -0700 From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Petrucci using tab vs. using staff notation Message-ID: Tablature is so simple, I'm sure Petrucci can use it, but he might as well use standard notation (stno) because tab is useless without the accompanying stno. Why? Note values. Sure, you blang out a power chord... but as a halfnote? whole note? how many rests before that riff begins? etc. Tab is great as a learning tool but I don't think stno will ever go away, especially because of how much you can do with it. Sure, you can wing it on tab alone, guessing the note values as you play your fave new song, but for guitar solos, complex runs, and most stuff by Dream Theater, the note values are fairly crucial. Thanks to everyone for helping with the e-mail crisis!! :) I am down to a mere 60 mails left in the inbox, and the most ancient is only from last Tuesday. Many of you are noticing I have replied to you recently. I'll catch up yet!! :) -- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:20:21 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Silent Man & Portnoy Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Neal Brown wrote: > >"..." -- Derek Sherinian, Mike Portnoy - The Silent Man > > Heh heh. Doesn't MP play a tamourine or something? Yeah, but on the live acoustic version, not on the album version, if I'm not mistaken. On the album version, he plays those little things whose name I don't know, but that sound like small bells. If you want to contribute to the 'jam, please do so. :-) BUT, as I said earlier, are there keyboards on "The Silent Man" (album) or am I on crack? I mean, about 2:00 - 2:15 (these aren't the exact times). []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3370 **************************