YTSEJAM Digest 3334 Today's Topics: 1) Heavy, man! (LONG and LONGWINDED :) by Jon Parmet 2) Rare DT Stuff by email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) 3) Loreena McKennit by matt rosin 4) DT musicianship by Doug Cronkhite 5) Re: [Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **] by CRAIG GRIFFITH 6) D-Man's causing trouble again by "Christopher R. Merlo" 7) Re: VDGG and Radio Miracles by Jon Byrne 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3332 by "Stuart Brown" 9) Reasons.... by "Carlo D'Angelo" 10) Mike Portnoy's whereabouts. by Derek Sherinian 11) Selling Out by Rick Booth 12) Are you a Freak? by Christian Hallebro 13) Re: [Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **] by email_address_removed 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3330 by Rick Booth 15) DT opener in Atlanta?!? by "Brian P. Kelley" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:01:25 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: Just Let Me Ytse Subject: Heavy, man! (LONG and LONGWINDED :) Message-ID: Ernesto: > If you're expecting for DT to get 'heavy' again, i think you'll be > disappointed. I think they're just going in anew direction. Awake was > their peak in heaviness, but DT drifting from the metal ways. They're > looking at their other influences now. And i like that. I like my meatl > in bits and pieces, not as the main course. Yeah, I hope they continue to do those wimpy lightass tunes like JUST LET ME BREATHE!!!!!!!!! hehehehe "Get" heavy? Never lost it. Always had it, always will! It's an issue of quality, not quantity. Something entirely full of itself wrote: > FII is great?! yeah right....the only thing its good for is curing my insomnia. Pleasant dreams :) Your post cured mine, by the way... see how easy it is to find the good in almost anything? Mike Burstin: > it is possible for people just not to like a band. As long as they don't tell anyone in here about it. 'Cuz you know us, we'll tear the asshole a new asshole :) ~~~~~~ /concise Regarding the poor production thread which seems to survive despite my attempts to snuff it :) I'll try again to inject my perspective (along with the usual dosage of sarcasm), although it is extremely difficult for me to express in words sometimes that which I feel during the listening experience: I've never heard anything on FII that jumps out that much at me, as being a real disaster from a production standpoint. Granted I don't listen to it so closely as some on the list do. Then again I'm usually more macro, and prefer to allow the sounds as a whole to affect me. I can isolate an instrument if I want to, but the real beauty of DT for me is how the whole is greater than the sum of its parts (Gestalt Theory). There are the five instruments, yes, but there is some shit goin' on in there with the way they play off each other over a more than a measure, building up a mood that is simply destroyed by focusing too much on a particular moment in time. Am I wrong, or would many of the production "mistakes" (accodring to who seem to think it actually is a mistake) be a fault of the sound/mixing/audio/whatever_you_call_them engineers involved in post production? Nevertheless, I recall reading an article where the BAND MEMBERS indicated that one of Shirley's intentions in producing this album was for the tracks to be a little less sterile 100% of the time. The logic behind this was to stop using logic :) Allow them to kick back and jam a little more. Sounded good to me. And the BAND MEMBERS liked that approach! Whadya know, the BAND MEMBERS actually liked it!!! I happen to like the overall sound of the album. This may be difficult for some people to deal with, but sometimes when one is constantly too overly aware of how precise something "should be" (should? according to whom?), it takes away from the ability to be spontaneous and truly transcend the instrument. I find that FII has an incredible amount of emotion to be found in there. Sometimes there CAN be intensity to be found in simplicity. If you don't find the part in Hollow Years, where James sings "Carry me to the shoreline", to be intense from an emotional point of view, then you just have way too much class, my friend. And what John Myung does on that song so compliments the mood that James puts you in (I hope :) with his voice. And JM isn't playing a bazillion notes. It's a tasteful selection of few notes at the right time that makes what he's doing so sweet. I like edges that are a little more rounded off, too. If I want squared off edges all the time, I can have one of my electronics friends go build me a circuit to produce instantaneously perfect sounds, discretely synchronized, all the time, everywhere, for all eternity...without any background noise anywhere, ever :) Maybe they sat around and said "Hey, let's piss off those that like to analyze every note/beat down to the last microsecond of time." I can just see Kevin now, rubbing his hands together with an evil grin. "Yeah, that'll really get to them" Disclaimer: Don't take any of the above personally. I guess I just feel the need to display my 'glass is more than half full' opinion against what I perceive as a growing dis-satisfaction eminating from the 'glass is in danger of becoming empty' camp. I keep trying to empty the mother fucker, but someone keeps filling it back up ;) > From: "Alison 'not an engineer' Clark" \_____________/ I love it :) > I don't know about HY but I definitly heard Just Let Me Breathe on the radio > here. (Here being WJJO Madison, WI, USA) Call and request it, see what happens.. Interesting how different areas seem to be playing different things. Burning My Soul was being played around here a while back. I remember someone suggesting that we DON'T request a song other than the one slated for airplay. I guess it's ok for me to request JLMB now, since they've pretty much stopped playing BMS around here? > (I went nuts when I heard it. My roommate thought I was crazy.) I personally wouldn't mind the caniption I'd have if they actually played JLMB on the radio here. Too bad there are no stations around here with the scrota to play it! Think I'll power up the 10000W linear amp, and send it through the PA system at the ball park. That should cover most of at least one neighborhood :) Regards, Jon *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:05:49 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) To: email_address_removed Subject: Rare DT Stuff Message-ID: Hey guys, I almost forgot to mention...I have a video of a live show DT did at the Sundance club w/ Charlie back in the majesty days that was shot on a hand-held camcorder WAY back. Later! -mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:08:03 -0600 From: matt rosin To: email_address_removed Subject: Loreena McKennit Message-ID: > Ooops, I left this part off of my lat post because its length was >getting out of hand. What do you guys think of Lorena Mckinnet's single >The Mummer's Dance? personally I love this thing. It sounds like what >would happen if Enya decided to take a foray into rock. Beautiful song. do yourself a huge favor and buy her new cd, "the book of secrets". for that matter, buy all of her cd's. you won't regret it. she is a wonderful musician, not to mention quite a musical researcher. -matt. s u r r e a l i t y ------------------------------------ * matt rosin * surreality * * po box 864 * dark ethereal music * * college station, tx * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/ * * 77841-0864 * email_address_removed * ------------------------------------ s u r r e a l i t y "it's not dark yet, but it's getting there." ---bob dylan, "not dark yet" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 03:07:44 -0800 From: Doug Cronkhite To: email_address_removed Subject: DT musicianship Message-ID: > i have always felt that, as incredible as the rest of the guys are, > there are other vocalists, guitarists, etc. that are also similarly > imressive out there. I think the main thing that gets me with JP's playing is that he really has command of the whole spectrum. He can dazzle you with blazing speed and technicality one moment, and then make the guitar weep the next. Rarely do you find a musician who can do both. He truly has command of the instrument. I find it interesting that the majority of reviews out there of prog bands come from people who have very little interest in the genre. These types of reviews commonly generate the "overplaying" type reviews since they have no understanding of the moment. I have a question.. in the intro to LITS, there is a definite Steve Vai sound to the whole passage. Live it's played by DS, but I SWEAR I hear pick attack on the CD. Now either JP recorded it, and DS is simply playing the parts live, or that is the best guitar sample I've ever heard from a keyboard. Lastly.. everytime I try to single out one player in DT.. I still fall back to the realisation that they are ALL monster players. From one moment to the next, someone shines, generally all shine, and they never stray from belief that techincal, complex music takes any less feeling than the current "3 chords in a cloud of dust" music we're being force fed by the radio, and record companies. -Doug Cronkhite ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:09:55 From: CRAIG GRIFFITH To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: [Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **] Message-ID: > > FII is great?! yeah right....the only thing its good for > > is curing my insomnia. > > I fear the dude who falls asleep to Burning My Soul or > Lines in the Sand.... Well, bow down and kiss my ring, because I have done just that. I often listen to music to make me fall asleep when I have insomnia. I've fallen asleep to Dream Theater, Soundgarden, and many other hard rock/heavy metal bands. Which is not to say that they're not good bands, as they're some of my favorites. One time I fell asleep (by accident) during "Burning My Soul" and woke up around "Trial Of Tears", which is odd, because anyone who's ever heard "Trial Of Tears" knows it opens rather quietly. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:12:23 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: D-Man's causing trouble again Message-ID: Just wondering who agrees and who disagrees with the following humble opinion: The studio version of Another Day is the best I've heard. OK, discuss amongst yourselves. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:35:00 From: Jon Byrne To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: VDGG and Radio Miracles Message-ID: At 10:01 AM 12/8/97 -0800, someone wrote: >//Van Der Graaf Generator -- H to He Who Am The Only One (anyong have any >//reccomendations for other VDGG albums?) I recomend _Pawn Hearts_. "Man-Erg" is about 10 of my favorite minutes in prog, with some excellent David Jackson sax work. Jonathan Byrne, 2L; WV University College of Law Album Reviews, Race Results, Commentary, and More at: http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We make futile gestures, act to the cameras With our made up faces and PR smiles But when the angel comes down to deliver us We'll find our after all we're only men of straw." -Fish, "The Last Straw", Marillion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:57:37 -0500 From: "Stuart Brown" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3332 Message-ID: <01bd042c$adc6c900$ab8582d1@computer> Dear Sir or Madam My mother has requested this information about Dream Theater and I have not. She didn't know that the address she was sending it from was My Account. Her E-Mail address is email_address_removed she, and I, would like it if you could have the E-Mail address that this information is being sent to changed to this address(email_address_removed) and not this one. I thank you for you time Stuart J. Brown email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:45:34 -0500 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Reasons.... Message-ID: > Quick question: why are you on this list if the "new" DT sucks? Not > everyone has to love every album the band puts out...that's fine. But why > would someone spend their time reading three or four e-mail digests > (assuming your not in ack mode) about a band that now suddenly sucks? First of all..if anyone actually reads every digest they have too much time on their hands...I believe "skimming" is a better description of how most ppl handle the volume this list generates. And most times I just delete the entire digest after seeing the list of topics. Second...the ONLY reason I'm still subscribed (as I'm sure many others) is because this list is a decent source of info for OTHER prog-related happenings. I'm hear to read about any news on Sean Malone's new CD, new ANGRA album, etc....NOT to read review after review of how John Petrucci played the solo of "Metropolis" on his shoelaces or Myung finally said "Hi" > Yeah, I'm in the mood for religious debates, top ten lists, definitions of > "progressive" (oh yeah, we're still on that one). See reason #1 above...... > I'm sorry for the people who can't appreciate the deep rooted complexities > of FII...you don't know what you're missing. If those complexities would be a brilliant 30 second solo section sandwiched in between 5 minutes of boredom than I'm not missing much. > P.S. You're .sig looks like one big phallic symbol Thank You! I'm always curious as to how the uninformed approach my "IGoD" .sig cheers, Carlo NP: SHAWN LANE "Powers of Ten" -- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_| --IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 19:02:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Derek Sherinian To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mike Portnoy's whereabouts. Message-ID: Anyone know if Mike Portnoy still lives on Long Island? I am a prooud resident and am very pompous about the company I live with. Thanks for your help. Anyone know how much the tickets are at the Vanderbilt? That's the January 4th show. How do you get the Christmas CD if you do not belong to the fanclub. If I join now do I get the CD?? I need DT rarities. Any good Japan items that can be had. I have a friend in Japan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew G. Nedell email_address_removed 1-203-256-6222 "If it's not in 2.35, I'm not watching it." Words to live by as proclaimed by James LaBrie- "I won't give up till I've no more to give, NO MORE TO GIVE!" "I said, 'I love you........................good-bye'" "So speak................I'm right here!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:14:51 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Booth To: email_address_removed Subject: Selling Out Message-ID: Rush said it best: "Art as expression -- Not as market campaigns Will still capture our imaginations Given the same state of integrity." _Natural Science_ and "All this machinery Making modern music Can still be open-hearted Not so coldy charted It's really just a question Of your honesty One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes, and endless comrpomises Shatter the illusion Of integrity For the words of the profits, Are written on the studio wall, Concert hall -- Echoes with the sounds... Of salesmen." _Spirit of the Radio_ As for Metalicka--I agree with the post about Kurt's solos. Whatever happened to the good ole days of "One", "Fade to Black", "Orion", and the thoughtful (albiet not too much so) lyrics of "Master of Puppets?" Bob Rock happened, that's what! Now we have "Unforgiven II" and Blowed. Metallica cut their hair, changed their image, along with their music and in return they got much more airplay, money, etcetera. If these guys practiced and had more artistic integrity they might have been able to make a sequel to AJFA that we never got... Then again, if Cliff were still alive maybe they would have--he was the musical wizard of the group to begin with. Speaking of Cliff Burton--I read a rumor (and this is going to sound crazy) that Dave Mustaine put a curse or a hex on Cliff. If you read the MegaDeth FAQ you'll see that "In My Darkest Hour" is about a curse or satanic incantation that Dave did and led to drastic, terrible consequences. Of course, you can't exactly have faith in the lyrics that Dave Mustaine writes--anything about Satanism could easily be done for shock value ala Marilyn Manson. I just read it, and it sounded kinda spooky to me. Wasn't Dave an original member of Metallica? I wonder if Cliff had him booted out... and in return Dave hexed him. ;-| "Ouija blaba de do!" -Rick # "The great thing about playing for this band as opposed to other # # bands is that these guys encourage me to actually play the keyboard, # # not just hold down pads. # # --Derek Sherinian (Dream Theater '98: Petrucci/Portnoy/Myun/Sherinian # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 01:24:06 +0100 From: Christian Hallebro To: YTSEJAM digest Subject: Are you a Freak? Message-ID: <348C8FA3.112E1FA2@kuai.se> Has anybody heard the group Freak Kitchen. Their guitarist is supposed to be really great!? And so is there album "Spanking Hour". ___________________________________________________________________________ ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:29:48 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **] Message-ID: So...what do you dream about during Hell's Kitchen? :) ~Eckie Again ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:35:36 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Booth To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3330 Message-ID: > If you're expecting for DT to get 'heavy' again, i think you'll be > disappointed. I think they're just going in anew direction. Awake was > their peak in heaviness, but DT drifting from the metal ways. They're > looking at their other influences now. And i like that. I like my meatl > in bits and pieces, not as the main course. > Actually perceived FII to be heavier in some sections. MAJOR balls and chunk in that riff on Just Let Me Breath--KICK ASS. I like the new direction they have moved into--progression. It's different than their other albums but it does have the same formula. Actually, a bit different. Chucki + Moore * Petrucci * Portnoy - Myung = WDADU Labrie + Moore * Petrucci * Portnoy + Myung = I&W Labrie * Myung + Petrucci + Portnoy + (Moore/2) = AWAKE Labrie^2 + Myung^2 * Petrucci + Portnoy + Sherinian = FII That's my impression of the DT progression. ;-) I also love the metal part of Peruvian Skies... BALLS AND CHUNK, and when you least expect Derek throws in the keys. Smooth. And who could miss Myung's Chapman Stick? Sooo awesome. I hope he uses it more--and progresses on that. He even sounds deeper without the stick, the intro to Burning My Soul is thick, rich, and meaty. Just what you could expect from DT or any good can of Campbell's Thick and Chunky. # "The great thing about playing for this band as opposed to other # # bands is that these guys encourage me to actually play the keyboard, # # not just hold down pads. # # --Derek Sherinian (Dream Theater '98: Petrucci/Portnoy/Myun/Sherinian # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:01:22 -0500 From: "Brian P. Kelley" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT opener in Atlanta?!? Message-ID: Does anybody know which band will be opening in Atlanta? Same one as in Philly? Also, somebody on alt.music.dream-theater said that he talked to the Masquerade and that the show is starting at 11 pm. That seems a little late to start doesn't it?! Well, hopefully it'll be at least TWO SOLID HOURS of DT magic! :) I have faith in "their" system. Take the time, Brian "T-minus 8 days and counting..." ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3334 **************************