YTSEJAM Digest 3332 Today's Topics: 1) FW albums by "Rosinski, Michal" 2) DT X-mas CD info! by Andreas Schaefer 3) if already posted, my humble apologies by yzzy 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3331 by Deedlit 5) Providence show by Deedlit 6) Re: John Myung's Brother? by Albert Balkiewicz 7) to cliche or not to cliche by email_address_removed 8) DT rarities...... by Albert Balkiewicz 9) Unintelligable Lyrics by Ryan Park 10) Rarest DT Stuff by Shawn Carroll 11) Marillion on Liveconcerts by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel 12) "let nothing bleed into nothing" by email_address_removed 13) Hedges by email_address_removed 14) Re: New Opinion by Matt Johnston 15) VDGG and Radio Miracles by Beth Elzinga 16) UK Jammers :) by ASHLEY WONG 17) CDs for Sale by "Buck Stodgers" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 12:55:32 -0500 From: "Rosinski, Michal" To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: FW albums Message-ID: Hi Jon! This is Mike of Poland. I read your letter to Jason, and I absolutely agree with you. You have to listen to the last FW album a few times to understand this music. I started my adventure with FW from Parallels album, which is perfect for me. Next was Inside out. This is very good album too, but more technical than Parallels, and many people don't like it too much. This is not music for one listening. You MUST feel this specific atmosphere, you have to know all rhythms to find out a beauty of this. The same is with all FW albums. I read an article about FW history from the beginning of their career. Their first three albums were similar to Iron Maiden style, but i don't think so. The third album is called Awaken the Guardian, and this is a beginning of creation their unique music style. They were more progressive from album to the next, and the last APSoG is very progressive too. For me this is an album of the year. This lets me feel this fantastic feelings when I listen to this. So you MUST listen to it many times to understand it. I think you have to listen to all their albums, from for instance AtG, and these let you determine if it is a good or bad music. You can't say your opinion after the first or second contact with this music. Later, MIKE P.S. I'm sending this letter to the JAM too, to let ytsejammers know my opinion about FW albums. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:46:18 +0100 From: Andreas Schaefer To: email_address_removed Subject: DT X-mas CD info! Message-ID: Hi there, I'm not quite up to date with my jams, so bare with me if this has been posted before. Received the following e-mail (excerpt) yesterday from Tim Henderson, whose editorial can be found at www.hardradio.com (if i remember right). >Subject: BRAVE RADIO - December 8, 1997 from his playlist: (!!!!) >6) DREAM THEATER with Barney from NAPALM DEATH > Track: Damage, Inc. (Track #4) > Album: Dream Theater Christmas CD 1996 (DT International Fan Club) > Time: 4:51 (C) >DREAM THEATER's Hollow Years has been released in Germany as a single >featuring two mixes of 'Hollow Years' (Radio Edit & LP Version), 'You Or >Me' ('You Not Me' - Demo Version) and the non-album bonus track 'The Way It >Used To Be'. As well, subscribers to the band's UK-based official fanzine, >Images And Words, will be receiving a special stocking stuffer this year: a >limited edition CD containing almost 75 minutes worth of unreleased music - >soundchecks, demos, messages from the band, covers songs. One track from >this CD was played at the conclusion of some of their gigs; a jazz version >of 'Under A Glass Moon'. Finally, the band plan to release the Metropolis >II EP sometime in 1998.. so the lounge-version of "Under A Glass Moon" on CD? :) Sounds good to me... looking forward to this X-mas present - jerry :--) NP: Saigon Kick - the Lizard P.S: DIO doing a concept album? All his "rainbow" songs as a 10 CD boxed set? I heard about a Rainbow (the band) reunion with DIO and Blackmore... --------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 07:10:43 -0600 From: yzzy To: email_address_removed Subject: if already posted, my humble apologies Message-ID: i've not had enuff time to catch up with my email as of late and it appears as if i've got about 20 jams to crawl thru later today. >From: email_address_removed (Tim Henderson) >Subject: BRAVE RADIO - December 8, 1997 > >VIRTUALLY CANADIAN ON-LINE's >BRAVE RADIO >Broadcasting Every Metallic Monday @ >www.virtuallycanadian.com > > DREAM THEATER with Barney from NAPALM DEATH > Track: Damage, Inc. (Track #4) > Album: Dream Theater Christmas CD 1996 (DT International Fan Club) > Time: 4:51 (C) >DREAM THEATER's Hollow Years has been released in Germany as a single >featuring two mixes of 'Hollow Years' (Radio Edit & LP Version), 'You Or >Me' ('You Not Me' - Demo Version) and the non-album bonus track 'The Way It >Used To Be'. As well, subscribers to the band's UK-based official fanzine, >Images And Words, will be receiving a special stocking stuffer this year: a >limited edition CD containing almost 75 minutes worth of unreleased music - >soundchecks, demos, messages from the band, covers songs. One track from >this CD was played at the conclusion of some of their gigs; a jazz version >of 'Under A Glass Moon'. Finally, the band plan to release the Metropolis >II EP sometime in 1998.. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 09:25:00 -0500 From: Deedlit To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3331 Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 04:12:03 -0500 (EST) >From: email_address_removed >Subject: re:psych101 >>Uhm, actually, psychology courses are QUITE interesting and >>informational. I recommend that everyone take some sort of psycology >>course during their stay in whatever educational system they may be >>residing in.... You can learn a lot about why people do what they do, what >Yeah, if it's taught right. I took this sort of "Psychohistory" class that >dealt with pyschologically analyzing things like why Nixon acted the way he >did, stuff like that. It changed my life. I didn't learn any cool tricks >about what advertising to avoid, but I *did* learn that stuff in my >propaganda class. (btw, subliminal advertising=hoax). Actually, that's not really psychology. I wasn't talking about subliminal messages. I was talking about mis-represented data from studies and so-forth, about intelligence and personality testing, and so forth. A lot of data from surveys and tests in this area is mis-represented, and people don't know how to read about studies intelligently because people have never taken stats or experimental psych, or even some king of psych testing class. Bah, this isn't the place to defend my major, but psych can make for some good song lyrics too! ;) Ja! Erica Bonomi, email_address_removed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deedlit or Deedo on IRC vacation: email_address_removed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 09:25:45 -0500 From: Deedlit To: email_address_removed Subject: Providence show Message-ID: Could someone forward me the info about the providence show? I was a tool and skimmed past it in a rush to catch up! :( THANKS! :) Erica Bonomi, email_address_removed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deedlit or Deedo on IRC vacation: email_address_removed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:19:49 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: John Myung's Brother? Message-ID: > > > i had this weird experiance in an AOL chat room..... i was in my DT chat > room all alone, as usual unfortunatly, and this guy comes in and says his kid > brother plays for them. He said he played bass. I said "Your brother is John > Myung!!!" and he responded " yea last time i checked, i suppose you are Mike When I saw DT at the Manhattan Center a while back (when Damn the Machine opened up for them), I was in line to get my tickets (I won them in a radio contest thing), there was a guy in front of me with an I&W tour shirt from Japan (a black one with just the Majesty logo in front and the tour dates in gold lettering on the back). Anyway, I commented on his shirt and he thanked me and introduced himself as John Myung's brother. I thought it was pretty cool, though I was skeptical. He had a nice all access pass around his neck, so who the heck knows......... -Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning. ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: email_address_removed email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:21:12 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: to cliche or not to cliche Message-ID: > As for another prog cliche? Pot smoke pervades every concert (in > medium-to-large venues, anyway). :) > Heh heh, keep trying dude. That happens at EVERY rock concert, regardless of genre. >;) ~Eckie the sober, clean metalhead (no, honest!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:24:19 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: DT rarities...... Message-ID: Well, I think another one of those DT rarities may be the Dreambill that was handed out once ever. This was during the DT showcase at the Limelight on March 3 or 4 of 1992(?). This is the infamous TDoE show. Mike Bahr has a webpage describing this little artifact. Mine isn't signed (yet), but I would think this is really rare as well, considering this was the only time is was distributed, and most likely a lot of people either ignored it, lost it, or threw it away........ -Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning. ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: email_address_removed email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 10:27:47 -0500 From: Ryan Park To: email_address_removed Subject: Unintelligable Lyrics Message-ID: In Ytsejam #3330, it was written: > Let's talk about something. Complexity of music and lyrics. Let's >compare, shall we? Dream Theater is HARD to keep a beat to sometimes if >you're not a music-intelligent listener. Big Wreck is NOT hard to tap your >foot to at any time. Lyrics? Uhm..."I'll get down on my knees and kiss >your ass" versus "some will transcend spinning years/one as if time >disappears." The average person is going to be like "what the fuck is this >Dream Theater band TALKING about??!" Or "What the fuck is he SINGING?" I have my vote for Most Unintelligable Line Ever. In Innocence Faded, right after the "chasing flashlights and vacations" line, James sings 8+ bars which are about two octaves higher than I ever care to sing . And I know he's *trying* to say words, and I admit that a vocalist with a range like that is *incredible*... but come on, can ANYONE TRULY UNDERSTAND THAT SENTENCE??? Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 10:33:28 -0500 From: Shawn Carroll To: email_address_removed Subject: Rarest DT Stuff Message-ID: Michael Burstin wrote: Well, don't know how many people have these promos, but I have a Status Seeker promo CD, and a LatM promo, as well as Japanese Awake & FIIs w/ the 'ittle baby CDs... (also have TDoE, LitS, and Lie & Silent Man singles) Hi all, I didn't think that the Silent Man single was all that rare, in fact, I saw it at Circuit City over the weekend... Shawn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:24:24 -0500 From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel To: email_address_removed Subject: Marillion on Liveconcerts Message-ID: All you Marillion fans out there: www.liveconcerts.com will be broadcasting Marillion live on Wed. Dec. 10 at 6:30 pm PT. As most of you know, DT will be rebroadcast on Dec. 21. ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 12:17:59 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: "let nothing bleed into nothing" Message-ID: WOAH! That is so freaky! I'm sorry, let me explain: This was one of those things where I heard those lyrics just as I was reading the post about them. The thing is, I never really paid much attention to the APSOG lyrics, so I wasn't familiar w/this "let nothing bleed" phrase, and while I was reading it, I started to put together what I thought it'd sound like in the song, and suddenly I noticed that I'd BEEN hearing it over and over again, because I'd been on part 7 just then. This also happens in school, whenever anyone reads aloud to the class(happens sometimes) and I'm following along with my text but I usually skip ahead... This onslaught of useless rambling nonsense brought to you by: josh email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 11:16:30 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Hedges Message-ID: Hey, Ptacek...sorry to hear about Michael Hedges' fatal accident. It's a serious drag to lose someone whom you admire in any arena of life. Thanks for advising me to buy his stuff. He was an amazing talent and the guitar world will be missing something pretty special. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Opinion Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Dr. Mosh wrote: > > >You, know you can bash Fates, but it's really not effective... BUT... > >I hereby declare that Blind Mellon is better than the new Metallica... ack! O_o > >-The Doc > >At least Blind Mellon didn't sell out... > Yeah they did! Just ask Mike! .."Shannon Hoon, and Kurt Cobain..." --Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:45:14 -0500 From: Beth Elzinga To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: VDGG and Radio Miracles Message-ID: Hello again, everybody. Damn, it's been a loooong time since I posted last, hasn't it? Rick Booth wrote: //Here is a list of some of my favorite non DT music: // [...] //Van Der Graaf Generator -- H to He Who Am The Only One (anyong have any //reccomendations for other VDGG albums?) Actually, I'm not the one to really ask about VDGG; it's my older sister who's the insane VDGG fan. I do have some suggestions about it, though. Do you have the First and Second Generation compilation albums? I'd suggest getting one of those and listening to the songs on those. The different eras of VDGG can have some different sounds to them. //Another thing on my mind is DT and radio play. Back in 1995 we used to //have a cool radio station called Z 104.5--they played rock and roll such //as Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Neil Young, Gary Hoey, Dream Theater, Rush, //Metallica, Soundgarden, etc. I did not like some of the music they played //but they did play some of my favs--Rush and DT. In 1996 the station //changed managment and is now called Z104.5--THE EDGE. Now they suck, //a//ll they play is minimalist trendy garbage. You would never heard DT //on there anymore wheras they used to play PMU, LIE, Caught in a Web, and //Take the Time! Now, you flip on the station and hear the same crap that //is played on MTV--Fiona Apple, Wallflowers, etc--whatever is trendy. I had the same problem over here. In western Michigan we have a radio station by the name of WKLQ. It was the kind of radio station you describe yours as being in the beginning. Hearing PMU or MOP by *that* band wasn't rare at all. Then, a couple of years they decided to change it to alternative. They had the plug The New Rock Alternative, changed from Real Rock Revolution. I was pissed. Now, all of a sudden I'm hearing Rush's Spirit of Radio on KLQ, Sanatarium by *that* band and, get this, NEW DREAM THEATER!!!! I guess they finally realized that Alternative is on it's way out (thank God!!!). KLQ is back to metal and hard rock again!! 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Don't be embarrased to say hello, I'll be glad to meet some faces=A4 Ashley. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:00:24 -0500 From: "Buck Stodgers" To: Subject: CDs for Sale Message-ID: Hello, Last time, any more takers can e-mail me privately: Well, its Xmas time, and I need money, so I'm putting up three Mike Bahr creations for sale: Critical Mass, Darkest of Winters, and Precious Things. All three are sold out, so this is the only way to get originals. I figure auction format is the best way to do this, so I'll take bids up through Monday. Starting prices: CM-$50; TDoW-$25; PT-$25. All prices will require an additional charge of $3 for shipping and handling. Let the bidding begin. _______________________________________________________ "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter..." -Yoda, the Jedi Master _______________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. 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