YTSEJAM Digest 3321 Today's Topics: 1) WDADU by Mark Bredius 2) Good News - Rebroadcast is planned by James Utz 3) My car mechanic (DTC - no, really!) by email_address_removed (Pat Sullivan) 4) Re: Learning guitar - Electric vs. Acoustic by CLARK ABEL 5) Re: Tolkien in prog by Eric Rodger 6) NJ show by "Kelly A. McAllister" 7) Re: My car mechanic (DTC - no, really!) by "Christopher R. Merlo" 8) Re: Tolkien in prog by "The Silent Man" 9) Fates show reviews on ytsejam by SchnepfB 10) Big Favor! by Matt Stanich 11) Missing vs. 6:00 by "woot" 12) Re: Tolkien in prog by Eric Rodger 13) Rare DT items by "L. Jason Hartman" 14) Re: Tolkien in prog by "Christopher R. Merlo" 15) Re: rare DT merchandise by "Scott/Curt Hansen" 16) Re: Learning guitar - Electric vs. Acoustic by "Brian Hayden" 17) kenny g's panning and cd's for sale. by Thrak75 18) Re: Learning guitar - Electric vs. Acoustic by "Brian J. Ketelsen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:42:55 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: WDADU Message-ID: The Phoenix wrote : > I have 2 copies of WDADU. One is the rerelease on One Way Records > with band member pictures on back and no lyrics in the liners. The > other was an import from Germany which is the original version (?) > (I think) on Mechanic Records. It has the full liners with lyrics > and everything. I've seen two versions here in Holland. I think both are identical, except for the colour of the artwork. Mine is purple-ish, the other is more green-ish. I got my copy for $2.50 in '91 (NOT used), after listening to it on tape for two years. I couldn't find it anywhere. A couple of months later I saw the green-ish version everywhere for $12.50 ! :-) Chris Oates wrote : > Secondly, the Mechanig WDADU version of "The Ytse Jam" indeed does > not have the drums begore the music starts. Mine *does* (Mechanic Records, MCAD-42259). Chris, is yours the one with the "green-ish" cover perhaps ? Mark email_address_removed I feel shipwrecked, _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ I might as well be shipwrecked : |:__ __| __\: |_: |: \_ | I'm helpless and alone, drifting out to sea : | : |: (___: _ | :_ / (Genesis - Shipwrecked) :_| :_| :___/:_| :_| :__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 97 11:10 CST From: James Utz To: email_address_removed Subject: Good News - Rebroadcast is planned Message-ID: <@m400gw.dell.com> I wrote to www.liveconcerts.com yesterday about the DT broadcast and got some excellent news: > > Hi, > I was wondering if you ever re-broadcast concerts? I missed > my favorite band's (Dream Theater's) show :(. Is there any chance > it will appear in the archive? > > Thanks, > James > We are re-cybercasting Dream Theater on Dec. 21st at 6:00pm Pacific as part of the 12 Days Of Christmas series. Check back for details. -The Manager The LiveConcerts.com Manager email_address_removed http://www.liveconcerts.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:32:56 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Pat Sullivan) To: email_address_removed Subject: My car mechanic (DTC - no, really!) Message-ID: Odd moment I had the other night: I was driving home from work and my car started making an odd noise, so I drove over to have my mechanic take a look at it before I went home. I've been going to this guy for years, and I hadn't realized before that I didn't even know his last name. So I'm sitting in the lobby waiting for my car, and I'm poking through the magazines in the rack when I happen to look at the subscription label and discover that my mechanics name is....Kevin Moore. So I guess KM got tired of film school, bought a time machine and a transmogrifier, and turned himself into a 50ish car mechanic working in Bridgewater, MA. And you wonder how all the weird rumors about him start.... _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net) IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html NP: Dream Theater - "Falling Into Infinity" ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 12:30:28 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Learning guitar - Electric vs. Acoustic Message-ID: > First, it's going to build finger strength on your > fretting hand much faster than an electric, which may not require any > significant pressure to fret a string. Also, it forces you to be more > concious of your fingering, thus helping your learn to play "cleaner". This > is going to make playing an electric seem easy, once you've built up your > muscle memory on the acoustic. Ok, I don't want to start some kind of "accoustic vs. electric" flamewar here, but I just want to throw my two cents in and say that while all of that is true, if you start on electric and IF you practice properly (this probably means using a metronome) you will not be at a disadvantage. An accoustic may force you to play "cleaner", but if your serious about getting good you should be forcing yourself to play cleaner. It's also true that it takes much less pressure to fret a string on an electric, but the extra finger strength you may gain from playing an accoustic doesn't necessarily equate to better technique on the electric anyways, which requires the lighter touch and maybe a little more "finesse". So to the guy who originally asked, If you're still even reading all this crap, I still say that if you listen to mostly electric guitar, that's what you should buy. If you're serious about it, you can get good at it without playing accoustice first, you just have to be careful to put a priority on precision when you practice. -Clark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 12:32:31 -0500 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Tolkien in prog Message-ID: What is "Tolkien?" KAI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 12:49:12 EST From: "Kelly A. McAllister" To: email_address_removed Subject: NJ show Message-ID: Hey guys, I'm going to ask this again. I called the Birchill in Old Bridge, NJ and the guy told me that DT is going to play there sometime in January (it has to be before the 9th because they'll be in Japan then). Can anyone confirm a date, or if they are even going to play here again? Thanks, Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 12:56:21 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: My car mechanic (DTC - no, really!) Message-ID: > So I guess KM got tired of film school, bought a time machine and a > transmogrifier, and turned himself into a 50ish car mechanic working in > Bridgewater, MA. > > And you wonder how all the weird rumors about him start.... Last year I was on a committee at UVM to select a new student member of the Board of Trustees. It had come down to two students, both imminently qualified, but while most of the committee was pulling for the girl, I was pulling for the guy. He was a scientist, a grad student... ..and his name was Kevin Moore. :) Unfortunately, undergrads instinctively fear "old people," and grad students somehow qualify (even though I'm younger than quite a few undergrads I've known), and the undergrad was chosen. Ah, well, life goes on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:52:12 -0700 From: "The Silent Man" To: Subject: Re: Tolkien in prog Message-ID: <004201bd01a6$852b0570$message_id_removed> J.R.R. Tolkien, an author that wrote "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy, including _The_Hobbit_ BrianK -----Original Message----- ]From: Eric Rodger To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, December 05, 1997 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Tolkien in prog > >What is "Tolkien?" > >KAI > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:50:22 EST From: SchnepfB To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates show reviews on ytsejam Message-ID: I don=B4t know why you guys write cool reviews of Fates Warning shows and= post=0Ait to Ytsejam only and not to Parallels... Hey guys, we're the of= ficial Fates=0AWarning mailinglist, and we're CRAVING for Fates show revi= ews, so will you=0APLEASE post your reviews on Parallels, too? Use the ad= dress email_address_removed to=0Apost something and email_address_removed to subscribe = (with a message of subscribe=0Afates ). Guys, PLEASE!!!!= =0A=0ABarbara=0A ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:05:52 -0500 From: Matt Stanich To: ytsejam Subject: Big Favor! Message-ID: Hello All- I'm looking for someone to do me a big favor. There will be a rebroadcast of the U2 Mexico City concert this Sunday @ 10:00 on Showtime. I am looking for someone with Showtime who would record this to vhs (Hi-fi if poss.) and send it to me. I would be willing to pay for the trouble and shipping, or we could arrange a trade, you record the concert and send it to me and I'll send you some boots. Any help would be great, please reply privately. Thanks- Matt Stanich email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:07:54 -0700 From: "woot" To: Subject: Missing vs. 6:00 Message-ID: <000d01bd01b1$307d5040$082746cf@sir> >But if I were DT, I would sue the balls off of Enchant for ripping off "6:00." >I mean, if anyone in that band ever dares to say "Yeah, it's similar to 6:00, >but I wouldn't call it a rip off" you should back away in case the lightning >comes. this has probably been covered as i am behind a bit, but if memory serves= , i believe the story is something like this: Enchant had just finished recording "Missing" when someone brought in Awake and says "You guys had better listen to this." They were all horrified because the songs sounde= d so similar. They decided to keep it on the record anyway. It rolls down stairs It comes not in pairs Runs over your neighbor's foot. It's great for a snack And fits on your back It's woot! woot! woot! woot=99 from Blammo!=AE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:20:10 -0500 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Tolkien in prog Message-ID: Aha, literature! One of few subjects I avoid like the plague. Makes sense now. Actually, I'd love to be able to extract the wisdom contained in literature, but without having to read anything. Ideas are welcomed. KAI ps. Thanks Brian. > >J.R.R. Tolkien, an author that wrote "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy, >including _The_Hobbit_ > >BrianK >> >>What is "Tolkien?" >> >>KAI >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:40:44 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Rare DT items Message-ID: I have the following items that I would consider pretty rare : WDADU on vinyl WDADU on cassette - promotional copy with no artwork but does include a black and white band phote. Not sure if it has lyrics. Lists the record companies address on it - Mechanic? It's also been signed by the Kevmeister and John M! Images and Words poster CiaW CD single - has the cool spider+web cover on it! And then some rare boots of different things : The Making of Images and Words - home video footage John P and James doing a little mini gig for a tv/radio promo a few years ago (1993?). Includes first (?) performance of Silent Man and great version of O Holy Night with James wailing his head off. Couple of videos with Charlie singing. This is all I can remember off the top of my head. Oh yeah, I also have Kevin's cancer-filled testicals in a jar. :) Also have an Awake poster, but I guess it's not THAT rare. If anyone has a WDADU poster and that they'd like to trade/sell - PLEASE talk to me. For my next acquisition I'd like to get my hands on a DT tour program. I also heard of some Images and Words leather tour jackets that were going around - I think they said "Road Crew" on them or something. I would KILL for one of those. Cool thread, btw. Keep the DT rarities coming! -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ email_address_removed And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:51:52 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Tolkien in prog Message-ID: > Aha, literature! One of few subjects I avoid like the plague. Makes sense > now. Actually, I'd love to be able to extract the wisdom contained in > literature, but without having to read anything. Ideas are welcomed. 1) Books on tape. 2) Cliff's Notes. 3) Jeopardy. 4) Get off your lazy ass and get down to Barnes and Noble. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:54:37 -0600 From: "Scott/Curt Hansen" To: Subject: Re: rare DT merchandise Message-ID: > > What is the rarest official and/or unofficial DT piece of merchandise or > > record/cd > > I'm sure that TDoE and Subcon are up there. No one seems to have them, and > those that do rarely want to part with them. (They also seem to draw huge > prices.) > > Lie isn't exactly common, and I'm hearing that the Japanese FII is all but > sold out. Of course, most of these items are probably superceded by anything > you may have on vinyl. Other than the vinyl pressing of WDADU, my guess would be the original Mechanic US pressing of WDADU (especially if you still have the long box - I don't *sigh*). However rarer than that would probably be the Status Seeker and Afterlife promo CDs. As some of you may know, both of these tracks were remixed by none other than Terry Brown - too bad he didn't remix the rest of the album. Scott Hansen email_address_removed PS Anyone trying to get ahold of me - I'm gonna be gone this next week. Also my email address will be changed probably by the time I get back (it's my old man's account - yeah I know "get your own computer and Net account...") - dunno what the new address will be yet. Take care everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 14:09:56 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Re: Learning guitar - Electric vs. Acoustic Message-ID: Responding to the message of from email_address_removed: > > I agree. A guitar teacher once told me that one of the hardest things to > break is a bad habit learned early on. Not that starting on the electric > implies this. Just that what you say about the acoustic (especially a > classical) is true. My fingers bled at first Same here. I borrowed my aunt's old Yamaha acoustic, really nice one from probably early 70's. Sat down with it a few winters ago (when I got so bored I actually started watching hockey) and played it about 10 or 12 hours a day throughout Christmas break. Yeah, I bled. But it was worth it. Of course, I'm still not very good, but hey, I'm a singer. Guitar is just a hobby. :) > We are re-cybercasting Dream Theater on Dec. 21st at 6:00pm Pacific as part > of the 12 Days Of Christmas series. Check back for details. > > -The Manager > The LiveConcerts.com Manager Allright! Dream Theater and James Bond on the same day! -Brian ******************************************************************************** "So understand, the wasted time always searching for those wasted years. Face it, make your stand, and realize you're living in the golden years." -Adrian Smith ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:10:20 EST From: Thrak75 To: email_address_removed Subject: kenny g's panning and cd's for sale. Message-ID: In a message dated 12/5/97 14:05:48, you wrote: >I was just reading the Washington Post and came upon this blurb: > >"Saccharine sax player Kenny G set the Guinness world record for worst PR >stunt of the year. Actually, his flacks claim he set the record for >longest-held note, at a New York record store Monday. If you care: E-flat >for 45 minutes 47 seconds." > >At least their writers criticize all artists equally! i wonder what "poets, artists, and madsmen" would have to say about kenny.....especially mitchell foy's take on it. and hey, with the holiday season quickly approaching, i still have a bunch of cd's i'd like to get rid of. maybe someone here might need it: a) as a self- treat b) present to someone else who might want it c) collect bonus rare stuff. here they are, prices and all. email me if interested, please. >the following items are up for grabs. all items include postage. >$5 >-jimi hendrix "the ultimate bbc collection 1967" (boot) >-fight "immortal sin" (autographed) >-megadeth "sweating bullets" (maxi single) > >$8 >-vai "sex and religion" >-best of emerson, lake and palmer >-tom waits "small change" >-symphonic music of yes >-guns and roses "use your illusion 2" >-the alan parsons project "eve" >-megadeth "youthanasia" >tales from yesterday- the yes magna carta tribute ( >king crimson- "in the court of the crimson king" >rage against the machine >$12 >an evening of yes music plus (2 gold cd's) >yes "yessongs" (2 cd's, converted into a slim double jewel case) >open to best offer: >tori amos- "inside the storm" #46. >SPECIAL OFFER- the yes package >both yes double cd's, the symphonic yes, and the magna carta tribute packaged >together for $33, which would be 7 bucks off. ytsegoon ************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school email_address_removed email_address_removed "i played around as well as i was able, and soon we had the record of the year." -b. may ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:37:45 -0700 From: "Brian J. Ketelsen" To: Subject: Re: Learning guitar - Electric vs. Acoustic Message-ID: <006c01bd01bd$a50f6c20$message_id_removed> Cool, this time I'll bring my stereo to work and record off MCI's backbone. hehe, I ought to get some pretty serious sound quality off of that one... BrianK > >> We are re-cybercasting Dream Theater on Dec. 21st at 6:00pm Pacific as part >> of the 12 Days Of Christmas series. Check back for details. >> >> -The Manager >> The LiveConcerts.com Manager > ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3321 **************************