YTSEJAM Digest 3320 Today's Topics: 1) Hehehe....thought you'd heard the last of me eh? by "Neal Brown" 2) Michael Hedges by email_address_removed 3) Chicago Fates Show by "Matt Mommaerts" 4) Re: Tolkien in prog by "Dale R. Newberry" 5) Re: Tolkien and Lewis by "Christopher Files" 6) Savatage by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 7) Directions to show in Philly by email_address_removed 8) Fates Warning in SLC by email_address_removed 9) Elegy by "Jani Liimatainen" 10) Metallica pre-Load singles... by op777 11) Dream Theater Memorabilia by NGA 12) 'Rooster' can be such a long song... by Coop42 13) GERMAN JAMMERS: DT Bonn - TV broadcast in VIVA by Steffen Barabasch 14) Superconcert in Holland by almar@freemail.nl 15) Michael Hedges by "Christopher R. Merlo" 16) The Fifth Element by "Joshua B. Wingell" 17) RAREST DREAM THEATER PRODUCT by Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK 18) Re: Learning guitar - Electric vs. Acoustic by Jon Parmet 19) Re: RAREST DREAM THEATER PRODUCT by "Christopher R. Merlo" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 19:50:34 PST From: "Neal Brown" To: email_address_removed Subject: Hehehe....thought you'd heard the last of me eh? Message-ID: Hey, all...I'm treading water here...I'm trying to catch up to the Jam and I'm almost getting there =) Re prog cliches: the 20-minute phenomenon. Ever notice there a LOT of songs right at about 20 minutes or so? Yes is really bad about this. Close to the Edge: 18:50. THe whole Tales From Topographic Oceans album is four songs, each roughly 20 minutes. Gates is 22:55. That That Is is 19:19. OFB has Seasons....23:06. Genesis has Supper's Ready (22:58), and probably some others (never been a Genesis nut)....Rush has Hemispheres (18:something) 2112 (22:something)_and some others I'm probably forgetting...ELP has Tarkus (20:35)...etc etc etc. The weird thing is that songs in the 14-17 minute range are rare...Tull has Baker St. Muse (16:40), Yes has Awaken (15:38), the Wait For Sleep/Learning To Live suite is 14:01 (that's one composition...two tracks, but one piece, in my mind). (How do I know all these times off the top ofmy head? Being a DJ does that to you.) I don't get it....maybe it's because 20 minutes is roughly one side of an LP. (Songs in the 9-10:30 range are very common in prog too.) Somebody mentioned Megadeth's Cryptic Writings....I haven't heard beans about it...is it like Countdown and Youthanasia? Or isit like R.I.P. and Peace Sells? Or is it totally something else? Re getting started on instruments....as a drummer lemme chime in with the observation that nobody should try to learn an instrument who isn't serious about practicing maniacally for the first few years. Once you develop chops you can slack off some (but not much!). I found it was easier for me to practice my ass off if I was playing on a decent kit. I dunno if this true for guitars, but for drums it's very true: on a high-quality set, you just don't need to play with a lot of force to get a lot of volume. On a shitty set, it's just quieter. Also, take snare drums. A professional caliber snare (say a Pearl 14 x 8) will run you about 120-170 bucks (good drum sets are expensive, ladeez and gents...mine's snare/double bass/three toms/hihats/crash/ride/china/splash and it's probably worth 2,800-3,000) whereas a comparable shitty no-name one will run anywhere from $20 to $80. The cheap one won't feel the same way. You'll play differently. In my lessons recently I've been working on double strokes (specifically, roll breakdowns...I hate these things...good chop-builders but boring as shit) and on the shitty public set, I can't get them with my left hand. On the sweet expensive set my teacher has, I can get them no problem. The point is: if you're serious about being good, don't get something shitty because you won't be able to play right on it. Don't get anything expensive just yet; get something in an intermediate price range. I don't know for sure, but I assume this applies to guitars and other instruments as well as drums. Okay. All for now. I'll be back. ;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:14:55 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Michael Hedges Message-ID: Wow. That's 2 of my heroes now. I'm unsubbing for a while because I'm in a generally foul mood. Be back in a week or two. Take care, folks. Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:13:28 -0600 From: "Matt Mommaerts" To: Subject: Chicago Fates Show Message-ID: <01bd0134$23f18580$message_id_removed> Speaking of the Chicago Fates Warning show...... I'll be heading down there from Mad-town with Ryan Good and Big Perm Dood (Dave Plotkin)... look for us and say hi or something... I know I'll have on my Yellow and Black NFL on FOX coat and I'm a tall dorky Drew Carey lookalike. :-) ~matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:22:27 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Tolkien in prog Message-ID: Okay, so Zep may not really be considered "prog," but... > Every other Led Zep song seems to be about tolkein. I can't name any > titiles because I really don't like them. I do know that there is one song > where they talk about Gollum and "the darkest lands of Mordor". Pretty > blatant rip off. Anyone else know which particular song he's talking about? I dig Zep, but I'm not terribly familair with their entire catalogue (i.e. I don't own anything by them). Like I said, too, no matter how great or horrible :). It's for research purposes, BTW. That's why i'm wanting to know about this stuff. Dale R. Newberry "Evil Villains, stand down from the funk." - Space Ghost ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:29:30 -0500 From: "Christopher Files" To: Subject: Re: Tolkien and Lewis Message-ID: <01bd013e$c307a460$8bfbaccf@default> I orginally sent this to Dale via private email, but it was sent back to me as undelivered mail, and since others have posted responses, I figured .."why not?" > For Tolkien's _Lord of the Rings_ references, check out "Rivendell" by >Rush (off Fly by Night), and "Ramble On" (off LZII) and "The Battle of >Evermore" (off Zoso) by Led Zeppelin. > The only Lewis reference I can think of is "My Dear Wormwood" by Echolyn >(off As the World), a paraphrase of Lewis' _Screwtape Letters_. > Those are the only songs that I can think of. There are some prog bands >whose names are derivative of Tolkien's LotR: Mithrandir, Aragon (I don't >remember if Strider's name was Aragon or Aragorn), Isildur's Bane, Gandalf >(USA and Austria), Rivendell, etc. >~Topher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:03:52 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Savatage Message-ID: >> I have no idea when it's going to be released in the >>States, >>but get it when it comes out. I heard it will be out early spring; the reason for the delay is that they didn't want to compete with TSO for airplay during the hollerdays. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 01:21:40 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Directions to show in Philly Message-ID: Can some kind soul send me directions to the place in Philly where dt is playing? I am coming from the north on the NE ext. What is the area like? I would prefer easy in, easy out. I don't want to drive through any "bad" territory. Thanks for any help. Marc Contrady ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:57:03 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Warning in SLC Message-ID: A review of the recent Fates Warning show in SLC: First of all, if it wasn't for my brother, woot, I never would have heard about the show. I couldn't believe the lack of publicity. Even the City Weekly, which covers every club and bar in the city, didn't have the show listed. Anyway, they played a little dive called Ichabob's on 666 S. State. I had heard some bad rumors about this place, but the sound turned out to be great, and it wasn't too crowded. The tickets were only $10, which makes me wonder how FW is planning to make any money on this thing at all. I would be surprised if they broke even. I called the place and they said there would be two opening bands and FW should start about 10. I planned to arrive at 10, since most local opening bands suck. As I was looking for a parking spot, I saw Mark Zonder walking down the street, so I found a parking spot as fast as I could and sprinted over to where I saw him in hopes of getting an autograph before the show, but he must have gone back in the tour bus. I went inside and the second opening band was just starting, and I was pleasantly surprised by them. They weren't a regular band, just four guys who got together to open up for FW. They were all very good, and the bassist was playing a 6-string. He must be a Myung disciple. Ichabob's is not a very big place, and there were only about 100 people who showed up for the show. I think that it is criminal that a band with talent like FW is playing a joint like this, but I didn't complain because I was about 10 feet from the "stage" so I could see everything very well. FW started just after 11. The concert consisted of APSoG in its entirety. The band put on an absolutely breathtaking, astounding, indescribable show. Jim is a very laid back guitarist, with no jumping, dancing, foot-tapping, or even facial expressions evident. Joey was similar, but he moved around a lot more, stepping up for background vocals and such. Ray was spot on all night, and Zonder was going nuts on the kit. I guess that the whole event has to be experienced, it can't be described. Overall, I was very impressed with the absence of artifice or pretense in the performance. There was no light show, no cheesy theatrics, just five guys trying to keep the focus on the music that they are making. APSoG is a very sincere, heartfelt, emotive piece of music and the band did a great job of transmitting that in their performance. I wish that DT would play a small intimate venue like this when (not if) they come to Salt Lake. After the concert I waited around for about an hour trying to get autographs on my liner notes, but I only managed to get Ray's. The rest of the guys stayed in the bus. I really wish that they would have come out for autographs, and I am not really sure why they didn't. There were some concert shirts for sale, but they were only accepting cash, and I only had about 10 bucks. If you have a chance to see these guys in concert, DON'T MISS IT!! If you do you will regret it. The guy who I was going to go with decided to stay at home with his ball and chain instead of going to the concert, and he will regret it for life. DT skipped Salt Lake on the first leg of the tour, but FW's great performance will tide me over until DT comes here next year. "Motion unexists" --Zeno email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:59:09 PST From: "Jani Liimatainen" To: email_address_removed Subject: Elegy Message-ID: Hello I just got Elegy's "State of Mind" cd,and I was just wondering,is there anyone out there who could tell me something about this band?I remember someone saying that their previous records were a bit more progressive.Is this true? Also,if you know any Elegy sites,I'd like to hear about 'em... Jani ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 11:08:08 From: op777 To: email_address_removed Subject: Metallica pre-Load singles... Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19971205110808.349f63ea@hlti.fi> My friend is lookin for singles made by *that* band before *that* album :P if you know where to get those singles (in CD-format that is) please contact me via e-mail op777 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:36:27 +0100 From: NGA To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Dream Theater Memorabilia Message-ID: Hi all this is primarily intended for German or European jammers. I am giving away a pair of backstage passes from the Dream Theater concert in Offenbach on the 2nd of December. The passes are unused (i.e. they still have the peel-off strips on) and in perfect condition. = They are printed on black cloth, and have the majesty symbol, the infinity symbol and the pairs of binoculars on them. The words 'back stage' have = been blacked out to prevent abuse next year (the text on the pass says 'touring into infinity 97/98'). As I said, I am giving these away. First = come, first served, and don't forget you snail mail address. stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) (http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2321) Currently playing: Sepultura Chaos A.D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 05:30:40 EST From: Coop42 To: email_address_removed Subject: 'Rooster' can be such a long song... Message-ID: ..especially when you're waiting for a DT show to begin. Here are some things that I remember about last night in Bonn (includes spoilers, I guess): Vanden Plas: The music was really good, but, boy, do I hate the singer... I mean, I don't know the guy personally, but I really couldn't stand his stage acting. Urgh. Sorry... DT's set: Of course they opened with LITS, and I'm *still* not convinced that this is a good idea. My fears about the crowd were fortunately unfounded. There was no shoving and the whole venue didn't seem to be as packed as it was at the show in April. Still, I think most people need a little time to really get into the music, so they should save such a long, intense epic for a little later in the set. IMO. This was my last complaint about that topic, I promise. :-) They also played (though not necessarily in this order): BMS, Voices (with the intro of ToT, I think), TSM (electric version), UAGM, HY, that Puppies on Crack thing, Lie, PS, JLMB, PMU, Ytsejam and NM. Metropolis was different again. No 'Discotheque', no 'One', but they inserted a part of some other song. I just know that I knew the melody from somewhere, but I couldn't identify it. Maybe someone else can help out. The ending of the song was played by Mike's drum roadie (at least I guess that it was him). There were no parts of ACOS, and they did NOT play Scarred. Damn. :-( The overall performance was just incredible. I think everybody in the band was better than ever before (ok, Mike has always been an animal at the shows), but the one who impressed me the most was John Petrucci. He was just everywhere, running, singing, headbanging and, uh, playing guitar. :-) It was hard to take one's eyes off him. I think even those who don't like FII that much would have to admit that the live shows just keep getting better and better. It was simply amazing! I almost forgot that there were a few guys filming the show (or parts of it), so maybe there's another live video in the making... At least one date of the full European tour next year seems to be confirmed: The band is going to play at the Philipshalle in Duesseldorf on the 13th of March (that's what it said on the posters), so mark your calendars... One final request: Could somebody in contact with the band please ask them to make the lyrics of Speak to Me and The Way it Used to Be available in some way? I seem to enjoy DT's music so much more when I know the words. Take Care, Andreas Berger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 11:57:20 +0000 From: Steffen Barabasch To: email_address_removed Subject: GERMAN JAMMERS: DT Bonn - TV broadcast in VIVA Message-ID: Hi! Subject says it all. Yesterday VIVA was there with a camera team and filmed parts of the show. I saw some bits of the recordings on a monitor backstage after the show and it looked great! The DT-special will be broadcast on the 11th of December on VIVA TV, I guess on "Metalla". And join the German fan club THE MIRROR AT ONCE ;-) The first issue of the fanzine is out now, and don't forget that there will be a great XMas-surprise...! Later, Steffen - THE MIRROR -- email_address_removed http://www.westend.com/TheMirror ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:15:09 GMT From: almar@freemail.nl To: email_address_removed Subject: Superconcert in Holland Message-ID: Hi everyone, I've been to the DT concert in 'Den Bosch'. I have to say they played brilliant, the sound was excellent and again James' voice was very good. It seemed they were having great fun. At the end of the show they played a bit of 'One' from Metallica. They have done that before, I know, but this time it lasted a little longer, with Pornoy doing the vocals. He asked James to do it, but James didn't want to. He just nodded his had. John Petrucci was going crazy with his guitar. James walked upon J.P. and put his hands around J.P.'s neck. Only then Petrucci would stop. Somewhere in March they will return I believe, in the meantime we'll have to do it with the X-mass CD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 08:13:11 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Michael Hedges Message-ID: What's worse? That we lost Michael Hedges, or that CNN.com and Yahoo's Reuters service have *no* stories on it? God forbid a grunge singer should kill himself. Then we can't get away from all the late-breaking stories. At least mtv.com had a brief story, in between "Jewel to sing at Superbowl" (please PLEASE tell me there'll be one more Butt-Bowl this year) and "Dinosaur Jr. call it quits." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 09:00:03 EST From: "Joshua B. Wingell" To: email_address_removed Subject: The Fifth Element Message-ID: I saw The Fifth Element when it came out in theaters and I too was very impressed with the movie and ESPECIALLY the soundtrack! So I went out and bought it right away. Well, I think the music looses something when it is not connected to the images you are seeing. For instance, the music that is playing while "Leeloo" is beating the living hell out of those guys is haunting...but more because it wasn't the type of music you would expect for a battle scene than for pure musical enjoyment. Whoever did the music for the movie was absolutely brilliant, and he/she really knew the scenes they were composing for. Really incredible. I guess in much the same way that a movie scene doesn't seem right or exciting without the right mood music, sometimes music doesn't seem right without the right scene :) Buy the soundtrack and listen to it...let me know if you feel the same way I do about it. I haven't listened to it very much since then. Josh -- Amiga///Joshua B. Wingell (Shape)\ A3000T/060/50MHz/50MB *AmigaOS v3.1* /// Home: email_address_removed \ 3GB HD/SyQuest EZ135/NEC3Xi CD-ROM \\\/// AmigaOS/Linux68k/MacOS \ GVP ioExtender/USR Sportster 33.6! \XX/http://www.ziplink.net/~wingell\ Piccolo SD64 4MB / Nanao TX*C7S "Spoon!" / The views expressed here are not necessarily the \ "Spoon!" -The Tick\ views of Digital Equipment Corporation. /-The Tick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:41:40 +0000 From: Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK To: email_address_removed Subject: RAREST DREAM THEATER PRODUCT Message-ID: <80256564.0055C769.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk> OK JAMMERS HERE'S A CHALLENGE, What is the rarest official and/or unofficial DT piece of merchandise or record/cd I only ask as I was amazed by the response to my recent sale of a Lie CD single from the UK I have a box 10" single by Queensryche of Best I Can with Badge and poster including Prophecy on the B Side which may be a QR rarity steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 16:34:48 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: Just Let Me Ytse Subject: Re: Learning guitar - Electric vs. Acoustic Message-ID: Tom: > First, it's going to build finger strength on your > fretting hand much faster than an electric, which may not require any > significant pressure to fret a string. Also, it forces you to be more > concious of your fingering, thus helping your learn to play "cleaner". This > is going to make playing an electric seem easy, once you've built up your > muscle memory on the acoustic. I agree. A guitar teacher once told me that one of the hardest things to break is a bad habit learned early on. Not that starting on the electric implies this. Just that what you say about the acoustic (especially a classical) is true. My fingers bled at first (no it wasn't the summer of '69 :), but after a while, picking up an electric was DA BALLZ :) Of course, I still suck, but it's a little easier :) Regards, Jon *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 11:41:46 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: RAREST DREAM THEATER PRODUCT Message-ID: > What is the rarest official and/or unofficial DT piece of merchandise or > record/cd I'm sure that TDoE and Subcon are up there. No one seems to have them, and those that do rarely want to part with them. (They also seem to draw huge prices.) Lie isn't exactly common, and I'm hearing that the Japanese FII is all but sold out. Of course, most of these items are probably superceded by anything you may have on vinyl. Then again, TDoW is pretty rare, since no one seems to be receiving it. :-| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3320 **************************