YTSEJAM Digest 3313 Today's Topics: 1) Re: xmas (NDTC) by Matt Johnston 2) The Fixx/The Fixins/Mixology/Lighter Material/Jon Finn/Misheard by Jon Parmet 3) One Way, WDADU? by Paul Drapeau 4) PL Crap? by KillMary 5) X-giving vs. Xmas by Phil Carter 6) Emerald's Guitarpage by Emerald 7) X-Files Movie (NDTC) by NUPRIN 8) powermad-eternity x by Pat Daugherty 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311 by Jon Kretschmer 10) One-way records by email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) 11) FNM (NDTC) by Jeremy Kube 12) ProgMetal Cliches by "Mr. Matt" 13) One Way Record rerelease of WDADU by The Phoenix 14) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) by Brian Hansen 15) For Floridian DT fans by Isaac Sabetai 16) For Floridian DT fans by Isaac Sabetai 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311 by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:26:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: xmas (NDTC) Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Deedlit wrote: > >"Christmas is still about one very important thing--" >"Yeah, ham!" >"No, not ham, you fat f***!!!" >"Christmas is about something much more important!" >"What?" >"Presents!" "Hey, man! If you're Jewis you get presents for *eight* days!" ^_^ (sorry -- sleep dep kicking in... everything... insanely funny... hahahaha.. ha. hahaha...ahahah... .hmr...hrm.... zzzzz) > >Erica Bonomi, email_address_removed >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Deedlit or Deedo on IRC >vacation: email_address_removed >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > --Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:44:06 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: Just Let Me Ytse Subject: The Fixx/The Fixins/Mixology/Lighter Material/Jon Finn/Misheard Message-ID: Tom: > Enough NDTC...sorry for the Fixx tangent. Hey, you know how it is: one thing leads to another :) Good stuff though. Chris: > They hosted a dinner for themselves and the Native Americans The ones they didn't slaughter, that is :\ > Naturally, the holiday (like most, for most people) has lost its meaning. Ya think? Lost and completely upstaged! I actually saw a commercial for x-mas items before T-Day. They used to wait at least till the day after to draw the bottom line with $ :| Rogerio on WDADU: > Ok, maybe 70/30, but I'd not label it as being > "progressive". Maybe a mix, but not progressive. LFaGA, to me, is excessive progressive when Kevin does his Keith Emerson impression right 'tween "can you remember feeling much too close?" and "stop your hands from shaking" and Mike is doing things I can't explain! And Ytsejam? Nuff said! I'll just go out on a limb and give it a 65/35, whatever the fuck that means :):) Do I hear 40? Going once...going twice.... Disclaimer: I have no idea what the term 'power metal' means :) Is the intro to "The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun" (before the vocals) considered power metal? It seems like the electricity there is enough to power a small town! Don't know if this has been a thread before. If so, too bad :) I was thinking about (parts of) songs that would be worthy of receiving the "Lighter Treatment" at the concert. HY,TAMP and AL are obvious choices off FII,. "justdan", in #ytsejam, mentioned the part in ToT where they've just finished going nutz and James is singing "Welcome to the wasteland," and I agree... Ok, this just in, another misheard lyric: It's all about June, not May... Just noticed Jon Finn's URL has the index.html added onto it now, making the new URL: http://www.tiac.net/users/jonfinn/index.html .... Please make a note of it :) And even better, he's got a new sample up there! Solve for t: DT(t-10) > FW(t-8) :) Regards, Jon *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "If you let the system beat you long enough, eventually it'll get tired." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:58:07 -0500 From: Paul Drapeau To: email_address_removed Subject: One Way, WDADU? Message-ID: > I was in a CD place and I saw something interesting. They had > a copy of WDADU, which was different than the 2 other copies > I had. For one, the record company was One-Way Records, which > I had never heard of. The back cover had the pictures of the > band that's inside on the other ones I have. > I too own this CD... until this post I was unaware anything was "different" about it... Anyone else have any information??? Now I am curious... -Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:51:54 -0500 (EST) From: KillMary To: email_address_removed Subject: PL Crap? Message-ID: >Am I the only Jammer who is still being blown away by the number of cool >choruses on Queensryches HitNF ???????????????????????? This album is a >real return to form after the crap of Promised Land ( Lady Jane--My Arse) Ummmmmm no. I love Promised Land. A lot of people I know (especially die-hard DT and Marillion fans) think it's the best CD QR ever put out. And though I like HitNF, to me it has a "rushed" feel to it, as if the arrangements weren't complete yet when they recorded the CD. Very good songs, but the sounds and the arrangements aren't as good as what they've released before. I don't want to create a QR war, I just wanted to come out and say that a lot of us think Promised Land is NOT crap. K. "Four billion years within our ears, still hatred brings as many tears" - Queensr=FFche, sp00L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:53:05 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter To: Under a Glass Ytse Subject: X-giving vs. Xmas Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Pat says: > >> It means we get together with our families, eat turkeys, and > >> watch (American) football. Or something like that. :) > > > > Isn't that what Christmas is all about? :-) > > No, at Christmas we eat ham. :) NO, NOT HAM, YOU FAT FUCK!!!! :) Sorry, South Park flashback...heh heh. Disclaimer: This statement was not meant to insinuate that Pat is fat; nor is the previous accidental rhyme meant to impersonate the works of Dr. Seuss. Looking forward to meeting all you crazy Ytses at the FW show on the 14th and the DT show on the 16th. Just look for the weirdo in the Santa hat... Cheers, Phil ===================================================================== Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Tech Support, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Trans-Siberian Orchestra -- "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 19:56:57 +0100 From: Emerald To: email_address_removed Subject: Emerald's Guitarpage Message-ID: Hi there! This is the first time I'm writing to you guys, I have to you have a pretty cool thing goin' on 'ere, I just love DT! Unfortunately, I have very little time to write with you guys, and sometimes I don't even have time to read all of your letters (I know, I guess I should pretty much be ashamed of myself). Last week, I spent most of my time making a homepage, or actually, it was a project for college. Anyway, since the content was really up to yourself, I kind of made a guitarpage out of it. I'm putting new lessons and licks on here every two weeks, be sure to drop by sometime... As I mentioned before, I have very little time right now, couple of deadlines coming up 'n all that, but if anybody would like to write to me, or comment me about my homepage, please do, I'll be sure to write back. http://www.students.cs.ruu.nl/~elkloost Emerald ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:08:24 -0600 (CST) From: NUPRIN To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: X-Files Movie (NDTC) Message-ID: Just went and saw Alien Resurrection (which kinda sucked dick), and the best part of the outing was seeing the previews for Titanic and the X-Files movie. Both look very cool. NUPE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:12:21 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: powermad-eternity x Message-ID: I decided to post this to the list since Eternity-X has been discussed here and may or may not be a prog band. My comments at the end. ]From OUAS (a hard rock/metal newsletter): ----- **Press release from Keith Sudano of ETERNITY X: I would like to apologize to everyone about the Powermad 1997 show in Baltimore, Maryland. We had been offered a spot on Saturday, Nov. 29 but were unable to accept. Among other things, we had obligations elsewhere, but the fact that we had only 45 minutes, there were stage restrictions (setup amount, prop size), among other things I felt it was not in anyone's best interest in relevance to the show we demand putting on. As some of you know, our stage show is quite acrobatic and we use the whole room; this would not be allowed at the Powermad. I also realized there were people from Europe who insisted on traveling here to see us and I felt to do a 45-minute show after a 8-hour voyage made no sense. If we had more time I am sure we would have done the show. At this time we are planning a few shows (the way they should be). I promise you we will make this up to you, you will not regret traveling to our shows as we are very picky about all contingencies that go along with it. We require at least 1 1/2 hours if we are going to make people travel that far, and we demand they walk out saying "Holy Christ!" ----- I have to say "what an A-hole". I can't believe this guy thinks Eternity X is better than all the other bands that played at Powermad. The Quiet Room drove from Colorado to Maryland. That is way more than a 8 hour trek. It was one thing for him to say "we had other obligations" but for him to go and say the stage and a 45 minute set wasn't good enough but it was fine for the 20+ bands that did play, really irked me. There were bands that couldn't play that still made it to the event (like Digital Ruin). Powermad 1997 was about the music not the stage setup or the set length. |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | Washington Redskins 6-6-1 | | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:10:01 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311 Message-ID: >> For a really good example of how it sounds, there is a Wynton >>Marsalis CD called "Carnaval" where he plays a song for 4:10 or so, >>seemingly without taking a breath. > >Wynton's never really been known for using circular breathing. I suspect >the reason that it sounds that way is that he's such a master of phrasing >that you don't notice his breathing. This is a good theory, but is untrue. Wyton is known for ANYTHING regarding the trumpet : ) Wynton does in fact use circular breathing on this track, entitled Moto Perpetuo Op. 11, and it lasts for 4:30. I can tell you as a player for 10 years that he does NOT take a breath in the traditional sense. If you listen, the piece is just one long string of 16th notes. To take a traditional breath, at least one note would have to be left out, but after studying this piece MANY times, he doesnt miss a note. Plus, if you listen closely, there are slight fluctuations in the support of his tone, a problem inherant in circular breathing. Pretty amazing, coordinating the c.breathing with the notes. >Circular breathing is really just a parlor trick anyway. Phrasing is such >an important part of a good jazz player's style that most wouldn't do it >even if they could. I could agree with this, although phrasing is important in ANY form of music, not just jazz. Allright, for what its worth...And Wynton's Carnival of Venice is a wondserful CD for you classical buffs, for a real display of Wynton's infinite talent... Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:35:27 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: email_address_removed Subject: One-way records Message-ID: Albert Balkiewicz wrote: >I was in a CD place and I saw something interesting. They had a copy of >>WDADU, which was different than the 2 other copies I had. For one, the >>record company was One-Way Records, which I had never heard of. The back >>cover had the pictures of the band that's inside on the other ones I >have. I have never seen this cd in the record stores before but I know that One-Way records (New York) do re-release many of progressive cds that are hard to find or out of print. I have somes cd from One way records. The sound quality is okay, not bad. Regards, AE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 15:25:14 -0500 From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: FNM (NDTC) Message-ID: Last night I saw a song from Faith no More on that 12 angry viewers show (yes I watch it sometimes....it is one of the few places you can hear new music), anyways, they played a song from FNM with the word Ashes in the title. I was wondering if anyone has the "Album of the year", and what they thought of it. I really liked the song, and to interest me more, all of the morons on the show hated it. Thanks, Josh **I have 'Album of the Year' and it's great. I love this album... I would recommend it to anyone who likes prog with a strange twist. This album is well thought out and has a great sound. I would also recommend: Angel Dust The Real Thing (a pop-ish kind of funk-prog) The others I really didn't enjoy. But, that's not to say that you won't. I would also recommend Mr. Bungle. Which is another band that reminds me a hell of a lot of FNM.***** Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:32:45 -0600 From: "Mr. Matt" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: ProgMetal Cliches Message-ID: Hehe. Good thread to jump in on. My ProgMetal Cliches list: 1. Songs with obscure references to mythological/quasi-historic events (e.g. Flight of Icarus at the Battle of Rivendell). 2. Song titles that sound like the first "movement" to a much larger work that *never* gets recorded *anywhere* (e.g. Titan's Requiem, pt. I, Scene 4). 3. Hand-painted CD covers from starving artists (surely someone they know owns a computer and Photoshop, right?) 4. Elaborate band logos that probably took longer to design than most of the music. That's it for now. Please remember this is strictly tongue-in-cheek. I've intentionally not mentioned any specific band, so no need to get offended. :) Matt Gonzales AKA "Mr. Matt" AKA "Genghis" email_address_removed Any disagreements can be settled in a Deathmatch at your convenience :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:52:56 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: One Way Record rerelease of WDADU Message-ID: I have 2 copies of WDADU. One is the rerelease on One Way Records with band member pictures on back and no lyrics in the liners. The other was an import from Germany which is the original version (?) (I think) on Mechanic Records. It has the full liners with lyrics and everything. The sound seems to be exactly the same on both releases. -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | email_address_removed Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 12:51:19 -0800 From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) Message-ID: >From: Rogerio Brito >Subject: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) > Well, what is the meaning of the Thanksgiving holidays for you >people in the US? > []s very curious, Roger... Well Roger, as with any traditional holiday, the original meaning is usually lost over the years. Many people will tell you about the Pilgrims in America, giving thanks for a good harvest and just plain surviving. But here's the real story: For humans living in the upper northern hemisphere, where there is a definite winter to hibernate through, evolution has dictated that there is an optimum time for reproduction. Let's call this the "Month of Love". Of course humans can reproduce at any time, but this is the best time. The MOL starts with the Halloween celebration, and ends with Thanksgiving. Human hormones run wild during this month, most likely triggered by the number of hours of daylight per day. People who do not have a partner find themselves compelled to go searching for a mate. People who are in relationships become discontent, and either want a greater commitment, or want a new partner. During the MOL, people get together and break up at an exceptional rate. Most people can cite examples of this in their own lives. So by the time Thanksgiving arrives, either you have settled with someone, or you spend the winter alone. The number of hours of daylight that trigger hormones occurs again near Valentines Day (early February), when the amount of daylight is increasing. The effect is not as great during this period, but you will see a rise in breakups and couplings during that time. The moral of the story: The best time to get lucky all year is during the MOL. How did everyone make out? adios, BH ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:00:51 -0500 From: Isaac Sabetai To: Elliott Kim , Ytsejam Subject: For Floridian DT fans Message-ID: I got this from ticketmaster's web page: MASQUERADE PRESENTS DREAM THEATER * * * * * THE MASQUERADE 1503 E 7TH AVE-YBOR CITY WED DEC 17 1997 7:00PM This is right Tampa if you've never heard of Ybor City. Isaac -- "It sounds diminished ... but it's not"- John Petrucci ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:01:01 -0500 From: Isaac Sabetai To: Elliott Kim , Ytsejam Subject: For Floridian DT fans Message-ID: I got this from ticketmaster's web page: MASQUERADE PRESENTS DREAM THEATER * * * * * THE MASQUERADE 1503 E 7TH AVE-YBOR CITY WED DEC 17 1997 7:00PM This is right Tampa if you've never heard of Ybor City. Isaac -- "It sounds diminished ... but it's not"- John Petrucci ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:11:17 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311 Message-ID: About the One Way Records release of WDaDU, This must be the release after they decided to start making it again. (just a guess, cause that's the one I have) Originally I had two of the cassettes in 1990 but don't remember what was written on them or what the company was. After both of them were stolen (one was a replacement for the other) I couldn't buy it again for another four years. >>The phrase "Dream Theater has released its new album" just sounds totally >>wrong to me. >>"DT have released their new album" seems much more natural. I agree here. (and I'm from the States) How much of this goes on? I've never noticed it. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3313 **************************