YTSEJAM Digest 3309 Today's Topics: 1) Recording RA streams by "Tom Baddley" 2) DT´s gig in Finland. by "Ville Rassi" 3) re: Divine Regale? by Brian Hansen 4) SG by "woot" 5) Learning songs by "Ville Rassi" 6) Trust has DTC? :) by "Joshua B. Wingell" 7) CB by Jon Kretschmer 8) Atlanta / Colorado by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 9) hollow years single by Todd 10) Re: Observations (moderately long, very boring and MDTC) by Anna & Heike Boedeker 11) Taping... by Adam 12) TSO media promotion: NDTC by Misha Horowitz 13) Re: Mike Bahr, Our Hero by email_address_removed 14) LV update and Dream Theater in Den Bosch by Marcel Coenen 15) Thanksgiving? (NDTC) by Rogerio Brito 16) bahr's moves by email_address_removed 17) Re: Jermaine and Whitney by email_address_removed 18) guess who's back by matt rosin 19) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) by Bill Nottingham 20) Re: WOW!! He was right, no DT content!! by "James" 21) synths by Chris Oates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:44:23 -0700 From: "Tom Baddley" To: Subject: Recording RA streams Message-ID: <01bcff49$ed2d5d80$message_id_removed> I've notice several people asking how they could record streaming RealAudio. Now, I'm not advocating piracy here, but if you'll check the newsgroup alt.binaries.cracks on any given day, you'll find a RealPlayer crack that allows you to record any audio/video that's streaming to it using the player's Record button. It will save in .ra format, which is far less space consuming than .WAV files (albeit, lower quality due to compression). BTW...this will work regardless of whether the broadcast is "downloadable" or not. I had company visiting for Thanksgiving when liveconcerts.com broadcast the DT concert on Sunday, so I missed it. It looks like liveconcerts is about a month behind on their archives, so I guess I'll have to wait a little longer until I can record it. I'm sure they'll get it online soon. They have a pretty nice selection of concerts in their archive. I listened to about 45 minutes of The Fixx show at HOB in Chicago. I had forgotten how much I loved their guitarist's rhythm stuff. Is there anyone else out there who got into _Shuttered Room_ during the early 80's? Good album for a "New Wave" group...._Reach the Beach_ wasn't bad either. After RtB, though, they wen't downhill really quick. Cy Curnin had been designing mens hats for the past few years, but his voice still sounds pretty good on this reunion concert. Enough NDTC...sorry for the Fixx tangent. Keep 'jammin' Tom Baddley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:00:17 PST From: "Ville Rassi" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT´s gig in Finland. Message-ID: Hello fellow ytsejammers! Just got back online.My net had been broken for 3 months.Found only about 400 jams awaiting in my mailbox...Anyway,I think that the new album is great.Not as good as Awake or I&W but great,nevertheless.I was wondering are any of the finnish jammers thinking about attending DT´s gig at Helsinki next year?I´ll definetely be there in the front row.Bought my ticket today.Oh,Mike Portnoy is on the cover story of Modern Drummer.I found that article to be very informative. -Vilzu- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:19:06 -0800 From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: re: Divine Regale? Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:06:03 -0600 >From: email_address_removed (Mark Lampert) > I plan to attend the Fates Warning show in Houston, Dec. 18th at >the Abyss. From what I hear, Divine Regale is opening... can anyone tell me >more about them: what they play etc? Thanks! Sounds like a great double-bill! Best one since Enchant opened for Fates here in the SF Bay area. I just got the latest from Divine Regale, "Ocean Mind". I had never heard them before, except references on the web. So this is my first, quick impression. They will definitely fit in with Fates. Musically, they are similar to Fates, Queensryche, and Crimson Glory. Vocals are interesting. They have 2 singers, the lead singer is very similar to Midnight from Crimson Glory, and the second singer (the drummer) does a very good Geoff Tate imitation. Like I said, I have barely had a chance to listen to them yet, but I'd give them a thumbs up at this point. BH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:30:57 -0700 From: "woot" To: Subject: SG Message-ID: <01bcff58$d08df360$572746cf@sir> >Thanks to this mailing list, I decided to pick up Shadow Gallery's Carve= d In >Stone after hearing people saying how good it was. Well, after a few >listens, I have to agree. It's cool. It reminds me of WDaDU-era DT. I >love the segues between the tracks, and the last track (it's unlisted on the >sleeve) reminds me of Eve, with it's feel. Thanks again for jammers for >reccommending this CD! I must agree here. this CD is a must have. The last track on the CD has special meaning to me. I had a certain theory of what the song means a while back so I emailed the guy who wrote it and asked him if my theory w= as correct. He said he really liked my interpretation, but didn't give any clues as to whether that's what he had in mind (which is cool). He also s= aid the name of the song is TG94, short for Thanksgiving '94. For all you impatient people (It even took me a few listens to realize there was musi= c on that track) you should really listen to this song. It's got some good stuff on it. It rolls down stairs It comes not in pairs Runs over your neighbor's foot. It's great for a snack And fits on your back It's woot! woot! woot! woot=99 from Blammo!=AE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:51:55 PST From: "Ville Rassi" To: email_address_removed Subject: Learning songs Message-ID: Hello fellow ytsejammers! >I actually gained an increased appreciation for Ytsejam and >Metropolis >when I started to learn those, because I paid even more attention >than >usual to all the individual parts. Has anyone else experienced this >phenomenon? Yep.When I learned how to play Under a glass moon note for note on the drums I started to listen the other instruments more because I already knew how the drums went.On the other hand,When I learned A fortune in lies,the thrill of that song was gone.I like to play it but not to listen it.Go figure... Oh,do any of you have any info of Metropolis part two(when is it coming out,etc...)? -Vilzu- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 97 14:50:37 EST From: "Joshua B. Wingell" To: email_address_removed Subject: Trust has DTC? :) Message-ID: I was listening to Trust (Megadeth off of Cryptic Writings) on the radio a few days ago and it startled me how the guitar solo sounded so much like Dream Theater to me! The part of the song is at 2:57. It starts off with some samples (very DT - turn up the volume and listen to the samples - very cool!) and then goes into a cool little (yea little, right...sounds like it would be a pain in the ass to play!) acoustic solo. Am I the only one that hears DT in that? Or maybe I am hearing Megadeth in DT? Either way, Cryptic Writings is an awesome album...as is just about every other Megadeth album I have ever bought. Later, Josh -- Amiga///Joshua B. Wingell (Shape)\ A3000T/060/50MHz/50MB *AmigaOS v3.1* /// Home: email_address_removed \ 3GB HD/SyQuest EZ135/NEC3Xi CD-ROM \\\/// AmigaOS/Linux68k/MacOS \ GVP ioExtender/USR Sportster 33.6! \XX/http://www.ziplink.net/~wingell\ Piccolo SD64 4MB / Nanao TX*C7S "Spoon!" / The views expressed here are not necessarily the \ "Spoon!" -The Tick\ views of Digital Equipment Corporation. /-The Tick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:59:30 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Subject: CB Message-ID: >> IIRC, it involves inhaling thru your nose while pushing a mouthful of air >> into the instrument with your cheek muscles. Could never do it right, >> myself, but I believe that's the concept. >Yeah, it's something like that. I attended a clinic by trombone >great Bill Watrous a few years ago. Circular breathing was one of >the techniques he taught. It doesn't really seem terribly difficult >in theory, but I never could get it right either (of course, I was on >a brass instrument. I don't know if it's any more easy or difficult >on a woodwind). Circular breathingis nothing more than a novelty. Unless Im playing piece that wasnt designed for the trumpet (a drawn out violin solo or something), its pretty useless for anything except impressing your friends or sneaking some air when the music says you arent supposed to. My question is, why would someone WANT to hold a note 47 mins?? I get up to 5-7 minutes on a trumpet or digeridoo and just get bored...I could have been listening to DT in that amount of time! And CB is much moredifficult on woodwinds, as it is tougher to maintain embochure integrity while compressing metered amounts of air. Whatever...Watrous rocks though. Saw him do this concerto for two trombones by himself using a crazy humming technique exclusive to brass that i know is REALLY hard. Amazing player. Jon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:02:15 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Atlanta / Colorado Message-ID: >>here on December 3rd. Kind of an interesting feat, since the tourdates on >>Mike Kizer's Fates page say they'll be in Colorado that day The sheet I got from Metal Blade says Colorado Springs on the 3rd. No date for Atlanta, however, Fates will be in Marietta on the 14th. How close is that? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:54:19 -0600 (CST) From: Todd To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: hollow years single Message-ID: does anyone know when the release date is for it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:00:48 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Observations (moderately long, very boring and MDTC) Message-ID: .. Clark Abel ... > it sounds stupid but it's true) When I learn the guitar parts to DT > songs, it becomes hard to hear them the same way, because I just can't > hear the way the guitars fit in with the rest of the instruments > anymore. I have vowed never to learn LTL for this reason... I'm afraid > it would ruin my favorite DT song. There are a few exceptions, though. > I actually gained an increased appreciation for Ytsejam and Metropolis > when I started to learn those, because I paid even more attention than > usual to all the individual parts. Has anyone else experienced this > phenomenon? Definitely. W/ me it seems to depend on the individual song, too, though I can't fathom the relevant factors to it. It also at times occured w/ original songs of the respective band I played with (though only if written and arranged by others, not by myself). I guess it might have something to do w/ too much messing around w/ stuff, so that whole structures somehow *felt* arbitrary. I somehow have to keep an appreciation for a *song* as an organic whole, not just almost freely exchangeable parts. To me personally it is also important to make a song somehow mine, if I didn't do the writing then still it's my very own interpretation of it. 'acourse this is something that won't work in the context of a band lead by someone who wants to have authority while not being an authority (so much on the etiology of my saxophobia :-)). One of the bands I enjoyed being in most actually only did covers of *very* inhomogenic material ranging from chansons to punk, though somehow the actual interpretations sounded very homogenously and unique (maybe like "speed folk" :-)), just as if we had written all that stuff ourselves. Also I hardly ever copy stuff note for note, maybe for learning purposes, but then I try to take it apart, fool around w/ it, and put it back together again, just the playful approach :-) (maybe I should add I'm kinda socialized as a jazz and fusion player, and I firmly believe in impro, jamming and all this nice stuff :-)) Also it had been kinda my obsession trying to fathom what actually is going on the minds of different players while performing. Also w/ respect to teaching... I mean we all know this "which notes can I play over which chords" approach, but is this what's going on in our brains as we are soloing (or "only" improvising a bassline)? Have students to content themselves w/ statements like by gaining experience it *somehow* gets more automatized? Questions... Cheers, Heike the Terrible ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:22:22 -0500 From: Adam To: email_address_removed Subject: Taping... Message-ID: If anyone has taped some FII tour shows and is looking to trade, please get in touch with me. Actually, get in touch with me if you want to trade for any DT boots... :) My updated list can be found in my sig. What do y'all think about a tape tree for some of the recent shows? If anyone has opinions about this, let me know. I'd be happy to run the tree, but I don't tape and thus would need the help of someone with masters (DAT or analog) of these shows. Let me know, and everyone take care! DT Atlanta = 14 days and counting! :) Adam - email_address_removed - http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone ^^^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:35:01 -0500 From: Misha Horowitz To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: TSO media promotion: NDTC Message-ID: I don't know about Target, but just today at 2 pm I saw an ad, for Blockbuster Music, promoting Christmas Eve... for the ENTIRE commercial! In the words of Cartman, "Sweet!" -Misha Horowitz "I haven't seen an Englishman take a blow like that since Hugh Grant!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:46:06 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Mike Bahr, Our Hero Message-ID: WOW!!! In a message dated 97-12-02 12:46:52 EST, Mike Bahr wrote: << An interesting thing happened to me today... I was at Rockaway Records in Mesa scanning the used CDs as usual, and when I got in line to buy stuff, ahead of me a guy was robbing the clerk at knifepoint! I didn't really have any idea what to do and I can't fight my way out of a wet paper bag, so instincts and memories of High School wrestling kicked in, and I took the guy down from behind and put him in a sleeper hold. As this happened he managed to stab me in the thigh/side (more of a "big poke", not a slash or tear stab) and then the store personnel beat the shit out of him and called the cops. >> Holy Shit!!! You RULE, Mike Bahr! :-) - Matt T. (who would actually LOSE a fight with a wet paper bag... :-) ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:47:59 +0100 From: Marcel Coenen To: email_address_removed Subject: LV update and Dream Theater in Den Bosch Message-ID: Hi Jammers, Tomorrow I am heading to Den Bosch (3rd of December) for the Dream Theater show, if other jammers also go, it would be nice to meet you. Second: We will perform a livegig at saturday the 6th of December in Alphen a/d Rijn, the Netherlands, the place will be "Het Kasteel" and it will start at 21.30. Our homepage is also again updated, it has tabulature till Stabs of the past and some pictures of liveshots from LV, also pictures of every bandmember and some really old pictures. Please feel free to visit and sign the guestbook, it will be readable at the page. Take care, Marcel Marcel Coenen Guitarist Lemur Voice mcoenen@cobweb.nl marcel.coenen@liberfone.nl Check out our album "Insights" om Magna Carta Lemur Voice official Homepages: http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm http://www.mindspring.com/lemur/lemur.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:56:49 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: email_address_removed Subject: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) Message-ID: Well, what is the meaning of the Thanksgiving holidays for you people in the US? []s very curious, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:13:21 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: bahr's moves Message-ID: >You should've gone with the "figure-four-leglock" or a "full-nelson". This >would've kept the bad guy from being about to use his hands to get you. I dunno, I think I'd be too preoccupied trying "not to die" and I'd forget all that stuff and just "run away really fast". :) OTOH, Mike, what would have been really cool is if you'd done a Jimmy Superfly on him. Or at least a piledriver. josh email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:30:02 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Jermaine and Whitney Message-ID: Hello, friends - << This is an open letter to all on this mailing list. I need help with two major things. The first is I am looking for a tape for my boss by Whitney Houston and Jermaine Jackson called "Precious Moments". The song I am looking for is entitled "If you say my eyes are beautiful" If anyone has this cd or knows someone who does, my boss is willing to pay top dollar for it. Also if anyone out there knows, is there a mailing list for Jermaine Jackson?? I can't find it. If anyone can help me I would greatly appricate it!! Sorry about the non-DT content. Email me in private for thjis matter. Thanks!!! >> Wow... I'm not sure what's worse... the fact that this appeared on a YtseJam... or the fact that my wife has the tape in question! :-) Yeah... that song was actually in the running for "our" song at our wedding. (I wanted "Am I Evil?" but got voted down. Go figger... ;-) ) BTW that song IS next to impossible to find. I was on a similar hunt a few years ago and found the tape for something like .99 in a major discount bin. Just unbelievable.... - Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:46:39 -0600 From: matt rosin To: email_address_removed Subject: guess who's back Message-ID: i'm baa-aaack....... :) nice to see you folks again!!! -matt. s u r r e a l i t y ------------------------------------ * matt rosin * surreality * * po box 864 * dark ethereal music * * college station, tx * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/ * * 77841-0864 * email_address_removed * ------------------------------------ s u r r e a l i t y ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:04:49 -0600 From: Bill Nottingham To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) Message-ID: Rogerio Brito (email_address_removed.br) said: > Well, what is the meaning of the Thanksgiving holidays for you > people in the US? It means we get together with our families, eat turkeys, and watch (American) football. Or something like that. :) Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:06:44 -0800 From: "James" To: Subject: Re: WOW!! He was right, no DT content!! Message-ID: > ***Is this guy joking?? This has to be the furthest thing from DT content > that I have ever seen on this list (related to music, that is) I give you > an A++ for being the furthest off topic all year!! : ) If it's any > consolation, I'm a Jermaine Jackson fan myself..In fact I have all of his > albums. (not!) What ever happened to him anyway...um, well, who cares?****** Well, my friend's lawyer said that he's working for Tricor Entertainment doing music for T.V. :) I know everything. ;) --james-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 16:34:39 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: synths Message-ID: Well, not really, but to the guy who is looking for a "crack" for Cubase: Yes, there is one. It's called buy the friggin program! __ /\ __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3309 **************************