YTSEJAM Digest 3299 Today's Topics: 1) Jamming... by Jeremy Kube 2) Re: Jamming... by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 3) Hollow Years (spoiler) by mwal@econ.vu.nl 4) The 80s (warning - review) by "Neil Gallop" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3298 by A P Longley 6) DOH!!! by A P Longley 7) Beavis, Butthead, and DT... by GlassMoon 8) Fan Club info. by A P Longley 9) Gorky Park by "Peter Tatischev" 10) I need your HELP by Arash Ashouriha 11) Re: The 80s (warning - review) by "Vincent G. LuPone" 12) Research on Vocal techniques by Leandro Beling 13) **** by "jason braswell" 14) Xmas _96_ trck listing by Chris Oates 15) DTIFC Fall issue? by "sykes" 16) Re: **** by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 17) John Myung/The Laser's Edge by "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:18:24 -0500 From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: Jamming... Message-ID: Whats wrong with jamming? Cause they're the opening band? Oh, so you want them to conform so that their music be more accesible to you? The set remained just as long anyways, right? (this was in response to big wreak) Well, Jamming doesn't have much of a place in my heart, unless I am doing it myself, in private. Changing a song is one thing, maybe changing a little part or blending it into another song. (like DT) but jamming is what turns me off from liking Phish. I have to admit that I like some of the grooves and harmonizing that Phish lays down, but I can't stand when they jam on and on. I get bored. IMO, stick to point, if you are going to add variations..that's cool..but don't waste my time...IMO. Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:36:24 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Re: Jamming... Message-ID: > Well, Jamming doesn't have much of a place in my heart, unless I am doing > it myself, in private. Changing a song is one thing, maybe changing a > little part or blending it into another song. (like DT) but jamming is what > turns me off from liking Phish. Well, I guess everyone has their tastes. I LOVE jamming...i wasn't that into it before, but after I started listening to jazz, and jamming with my own band, I got into it. It just requires another kind of listening..paying attemtion to how the musicians are reacting to each other, like having a conversations...of course i'm not that much into the 'each guy takes a turn soloing over the same repeating riff' jams, but the ones where evevrybody's together, and all changes happen spontaneously...precisely like Phish. Call it spontaneous composition if you will (Zappa reference) :) later, Ern ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 97 15:18:59 MET From: mwal@econ.vu.nl To: Subject: Hollow Years (spoiler) Message-ID: I got my copy of the Hollow Years single two days ago. It was already out, but they kept it in another section (single releases). The radio edit for HY is a bit shorter; they shortened the chorus after JP's solo. The demo version of YNM is indeed very different from the one on FII. Especially the chorus has changed; I think I'd prefer the FII-version. On the demo version, James sounds like he's been smoking some indo or something. The song is just a lot more intense on FII. I couldn't figure out yet which lyrics Desmond Child added to it yet. It could be "That's all right, I'm okay....", but maybe it was there on the demo as well, I can't remember exactly. The other song doesn't do very much for me yet, but maybe it'll start groing (I didn't like Eve the first time but I loved it after a few more listenings...). I haven't listened to it that much, so I can't really judge it. It sounded a little bit like U2 to me (James vocals and JP's guitar). Anybody going to Den Bosch next week??? c-ya, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:37:36 +0100 From: "Neil Gallop" To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" Subject: The 80s (warning - review) Message-ID: Hi all remember the 80s? Remember those great songs like "Shout" (Tears For Fears), "Rage Hard" (Frankie Goes To Hollywood), "Wild Boys" (Duran Duran), "Tainted Love" (Soft Cell), "Don't Go" (Yazoo), "Let's Dance" (David Bowie) and "Maid Of Orleans" (OMD)? Well, all of these songs and more can be heard on the following new release Atrocity - Werk 80 The German goth/metal band has released an album of cover versions of 80 synth-pop hits, giving the 11 songs a new and heavy lease of life. Each song is reworked so that the listener discovers new aspects of old stuff they thought they were possibly very familiar with, but at the same time each song retains it's identity, and something of the atmosphere of the early 80s shines through, while the interpretations are clearly in the 90s. The fact that Liv Kristine Espenaes (ex Theatre Of Tragedy) sings on five tracks only makes the album more interesting. My personal favourites are Shout (with Liv), Maid Of Orleans (again with Liv), and Let's Dance, which is also the heaviest song on the album. Perhaps this album is only for those of us old enough to remember the originals (the early 80s was when I'd just left university and come over to Germany) - many of these songs bring back very happy memories for me, but I would also recommend it to the younger members of the list. There are a couple of songs I would have liked to see on the album (perhaps some Joy Division or Heaven 17 would have been nice), which is why I am only giving 8/10. And boys, don't go blind looking at the cover! On the subject of Liv Kristine Espenaes, she has just finished recording her first solo album, and Nick Holmes from Paradise Lost does guest vocals - could be very interesting. stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) (http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2321) Currently playing: Vanden Plas - The God Thing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:49:05 +0000 From: A P Longley To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3298 Message-ID: Check out this interview from Bass Frontiers with John Myung, -------------------------------- > BF: The great thing is everyone will walk away with something unique from > that song and make a connection to it. > JM: Which is cool. I appreciate that when people can connect with it > personally. I think that's a big part of why you're into a certain > artist. I'm a big Sting fan. I love all his stuff and even though I've > never met him personally, I still always find myself putting on his CD's > because I feel that there's a personal connection there. I really relate > to what he does musically. That's a really important part, I think, of > being successful is to have those types of relationships with people that > hear your music. Hopefully, if you have it all together you are reaching > people that way. ----------------------------------- Cool. Cya - __ Adrian. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:51:54 +0000 From: A P Longley To: email_address_removed Subject: DOH!!! Message-ID: Sorry, The last message was supposed to go to one of my friends - a big sting fan. Pretty cool that JM likes Sting, though, he is an awesome songwriter don't you think? Adrian. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:08:17 +0000 (GMT) From: GlassMoon To: email_address_removed Subject: Beavis, Butthead, and DT... Message-ID: Hello everyone, Someone said something about DT appearing in a B & B show... Well, they haven't appeared, but I remember reading in an interview that Mike Portnoy said something like... "It would be cool if we made it on their show, but they would probably say 'This sucks Butthead, CHANGE IT!!!' ... hehehehe!" My guess is that MP is right about that! ;) Also, at the ending of CIAW, anyone else hear: "Spun in a cage, denied and X-Rayed" ????? (normally 'spinning a cage, denied and misread') Achilles : . "Why should we, think to care, Metalhead and : . Wont we anyway disappear?" Dream Theater fan : . Fates Warning - 'A World Apart' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:18:18 +0000 From: A P Longley To: email_address_removed Subject: Fan Club info. Message-ID: Re. all the questions / suggestions / complaints etc to do with the Fan Club and Xmas cd, I would point out that at the official DT site: http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/fanzine/ There is a link to e-mail the president with questions For those of you with no web access , or are just lazy as fuck, the address it produces is: email_address_removed Hope this helps, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:16:50 +0300 From: "Peter Tatischev" To: Subject: Gorky Park Message-ID: Heya, jammerz... > > > Hey, does anyone out there remember the band, "Gorky Park?" They were a hard > > rock / metal band from the former USSR. Jon Bon Jovi discovered them and > > brought them to the States. He and Richie Sambora produced the band's > > self-titled 1989 debut, which had a big hit with, "Bang." The song contained > > > Holy Shit! I thought I was the _only_ person who ever heard of these > guys! :) > I don't know what they're up to now, but I have the CD you spoke > of...80s glam / metal would be an appropriate description, for sure. Well, well... I am surprised that you guys know about them... I wouldn't say that now they play heavy metall, rather glam, or sometimes hard... And in 1996 they released an album called 'Stare' where Allan Holdsworth plays some parts. Nothing extremely cool, but Joe's solos are great... If there is anything that interests you about these guys - just ask... cya ======================================= Put your message in a modem And throw it in the Cyber Sea... (Rush) The maintaner of the Unofficial Stu Hamm site: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch ======================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:11:01 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha To: email_address_removed Subject: I need your HELP Message-ID: Hi I need your help. Can somebody tell me how I can use the "www.liveconcert.com" DT broadcast ? I have real audio 4.0 but I don't know how use it for liveconcert. Please send me full a introduction. Thank you very much. Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | OR | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | email_address_removed.de | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:47:53 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: The 80s (warning - review) Message-ID: At 02:00 AM 11/28/97 -0800, you wrote: >The German goth/metal band has released an album of cover versions of 80 >synth-pop hits, giving the 11 songs a new and heavy lease of life. "Damnit, damnit, sonofabitch!" :p I was working on a goth version of "Shout". Someone beat me to it. Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:03:19 -0800 From: Leandro Beling To: email_address_removed Subject: Research on Vocal techniques Message-ID: I'm doing a research on vocal techniques for my music class and since DT is what it is, I would like to focus on JLB. Does anyone happen to know about La Brie's vocal background, I mean in terms of vocal studies and techniqes, maybe a little(a lot) about Rosemary Patricia Burns. Thanks in advance for any information. Leo(BR Jammer) (email_address_removed.br) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:00:39 PST From: "jason braswell" To: email_address_removed Subject: **** Message-ID: Even the most staunch defenders of subjectivity in esthetics on this list seem to talk about the complexity of DT's (and other related prog band's) music, and obviously they're a lot more intricate and composition oriented than 99.9% of the shit on the radio today, but what happens when you start comparing them classical folk? I don't know everything, but I'm pretty well-versed in music theory, so anyone who knows the answer to this don't be afraid to speak technically. I hear classical symphonies, and they sound a hell of a lot more complex than DT, but I thought that that might be more due to the fact that there's more than five instruments than actual compositional skill. After listening to string quartets and organ fugues etc, though, I wasn't really able to tell how large the complexity gap is. It doesn't sound like any modern music, including ofb, ever experiments with such involved contrapuntal stuff as classical composers, especially Bach, did. I was also curious as to how this applies in the jazz/fusion arena. You know, Mahavishnu, Dimeola, etc. I'm looking for very specific and knowledgable answers here, so anyone who is up on their musicology and theory, please answer. jason Insert favorite quote here -> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:43:26 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: Xmas _96_ trck listing Message-ID: 1) Opening Message 2) Red Hill Mining Town 3) Tears 4) Damage, Inc. 5) Oh Holy Night 6) Closing Message running time: 27:24 __ /\ __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:57:18 -0600 From: "sykes" To: "The Ytse Jam" Subject: DTIFC Fall issue? Message-ID: Hi all, Has anyone received the fall issue of the fanzine yet??? Seems like it should have been out by now. laters | email_address_removed | | why should i come down? | | from here i can see forever | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:08:18 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Re: **** Message-ID: > happens when you start comparing them classical folk? I don't know > everything, but I'm pretty well-versed in music theory, so anyone who > knows the answer to this don't be afraid to speak technically. I hear > classical symphonies, and they sound a hell of a lot more complex than Well for one thing, classical music at its most complex contains a lot of harmonic movement and modulation. Melodies are usually long, and the chords move along with them giving a very complex yet supportive background...then there's the variations of melodies, which DT does do, but not to the extent done in classical music. Then of course, there's counterpoint and all, and exchanging of themes between instruments (DT also does this, but obviouly are limited by the anount of instruments) > did. I was also curious as to how this applies in the jazz/fusion > arena. You know, Mahavishnu, Dimeola, etc. I'm looking for very > specific and knowledgable answers here, so anyone who is up on their > musicology and theory, please answer. As far as jazz goes, the difference is in harmony. Most rock/ pop (and many of DT's) riffs are usualy a 3-4 chord vamp repeated over and over agian. In jazz there's constant reharmonization..especially during the solos/improv...and the soloist obviously has to follow these changes, following each chord with a different mode, scale.etc... Naturally not ALL jazz and classical music is that complex. But generally people in those areas of music are really into experimenting and pushing the language of music, especially guys like Beethoven and Stravinsky. I find prog to be somewhere in the middle.. the're trying to push the language of rock...which, as Phillip Glass says, 'packages language', while classical/'serious' music 'creates language'. Everybody having fun eating turkey?:) Ern ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:13:46 -0600 From: "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: John Myung/The Laser's Edge Message-ID: I just got a copy of the FALL 1997 catalog for the LASER'S EDGE (http://www.jersey.net/~lasercd). This catalog is loaded with progressive and progressive metal CD's (most with descriptions of the material/artists--most helpful in finding what music you might be interested in). Many artists you've heard of; many you probably haven't; many you probably should check out if you got the $$. I've purchased from them before, and gotten decent service. Now for the DT content: One of the forthcoming CD from the Laser Edge's own label is entitled "Gordian Knot", a project by Cynic bassist & Chapman Stick-ist (that thing that JM plays on 'New Millenium" for those of you who've seen the present DT tour) Sean Malone. Featured on the CD is recent King Frippson (it's used in a description for KC elsewhere in the catalog) guitarist Trey Gunn and "appearing on the recording as a special guest will be bassist John Myung of Dream Theater". On a related Laser's Edge label, Mandrake Root, it is reported that fellow Y'Jammers 'Clockwork' are recording their new album. "The demos for the new [Clockwork] album indicate that it may well be a prog metal classic in the making. Epic tracks filled with complex arrangements, technical virtuosity and solid melodies. Scheduled for Spring 1998." -Randall Randall Braun - Configuration Services GE Capital ITS, West. Region. Dist. Ctr., Tulare, CA Phone (209) 685-4508 * FAX (209) 688-6696 email: email_address_removed **"...there's a message we miss, sometimes when, the spirits left alone, we must believe in something..." from 'Lines in the Sand' by Dream Theater** ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3299 **************************