YTSEJAM Digest 3297

Today's Topics:

  1) More Metallica Rebuttle
 by Jeremy Kube <email_address_removed>
  2) Falling Into Infinity Songbook?
 by <email_address_removed> "Chung Ng"
  3) Philly DT get-together.
 by Syrinx <email_address_removed>
  4) RE: John Petrucci
 by "Brian J. Ketelsen" <email_address_removed>
  5) TEARS CDsingle
 by "Emiliano" <email_address_removed.it>
  6) Adam Sandler's "The Masturbata" (ANDTC)
 by Mark Smeets <email_address_removed>
  7) I just had a twisted thought...NRealDTC
 by "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <email_address_removed>
  8) Re:  YTSEJAM digest 3247
 by email_address_removed
  9) Drummers!
 by Pedro Prado <email_address_removed>
 10) Japanese FII
 by Michael Burstin <email_address_removed>
 11) Re: "Learning To Live" Opener
 by email_address_removed
 12) Pt 1: John Myung in Bass Frontiers (LONG)
 by jOHN jENS <email_address_removed>
 13) Re: Big Wreck thoughts
 by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack)

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:26:53 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: More Metallica Rebuttle
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


And if it was released by some other band it wouldn't have grown on you?

If DT would release a mediocre (technically speaking, i.e., sloppy playing,
etc) rap album (assuming that you dislike rap), would it grow on you because
it is DT? That is not right...

	No! That's completely wrong.  In other circumstances I would have to say
that it would be true, and wrong.  But when it came to TBA, I was
diappointed, but then it grew on me.  Saying what you said is putting words
in my mouth.  The same thing didn't happen when I listened to LOAD, in fact
I nearly threw it out the window when I heard it the second time.  I was
pissed.  But, hoping for the better, I purchased reLOAD and I was very
impressed.  It reminded me of what I liked about TBA. That's all I have to
say... Later, J  


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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 20:27:59 EST
From: <email_address_removed> "Chung Ng"
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Falling Into Infinity Songbook?
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+message_id_removed>


Does anyone know if Cherry Hill or one of those tab book publishers has 
released (or is planning to release) a songbook for the new album?  I've found 
the "Awake" and "Images and Words" books to be a lot of fun in trying to 
follow the intricate guitarwork.

Thanks.

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:04:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <email_address_removed>
To: A Ytse Besides Itself <email_address_removed>
Subject: Philly DT get-together.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


'allo, all.

	If you're planning to attend the Decembet 14th DT show at the 
TLA, lemme know.  Dependant on how many people we have, i'd like to 
organize a nice little get together before the show.  Since the TLA is on 
South Street, it won't be _that_ hard to find a place to chow down before 
the show (i have a few in mind)...

	Just email me and i'll take care of all that.

 - mike.


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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:15:50 -0700
From: "Brian J. Ketelsen" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: RE: John Petrucci
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>>>>>John P always seems out of it when I see him. I was at his feet all
night, so he 
was looking me right in the eye at times. He has this cold blank stare (to
quote ACOS) that 
pierces right through you. It gave me the creeps. But he was in top form.
<<<<<

I have to agree with that.  Maybe he is really an alien or a cyborg.  That
would explain his incredible skill ;)

BrianK


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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 04:17:23 +0100
From: "Emiliano" <email_address_removed.it>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: TEARS CDsingle
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:24:20 PST
From: Mark Smeets <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Adam Sandler's "The Masturbata" (ANDTC)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Folks, this was too funny to pass up
 
The Masturbata
  (sung to the tune of "Macarena")
SING THE SONG IN YOUR HEAD WHILE YOU READ! 


Sitting in my house, and I know that I'm alona, 
Feeling kinda horny, got a jingle in my bona.
Go and grab a Penthouse its the one with Sharon Stona. 
Hey Masturbata!!

I go a little faster and its feeling kind of nicea, 
Once ain't enough so I have to do it twicea.
If you wanna spank the monkey I can give you good advicea. 
Hey Masturbata!!

I use some baby oil or a little Vaselina,
Laying down a towel so I keep my carpet cleana.
Never shake my hand cause you don't know where its beena
Hey Masturbata!!

I do it in the car when I'm driving down the streeta, 
One hand on the wheel and the other's on my meata..
I can't get out the car cause I'm sticking to the seata.
Hey Masturbata!

Since I was a kid I have been a Masturbata,
choke the chicken, hum the knob, squeezing the tomata. 
I've looked at Ms. November now I'n gonna decorate her. 
Hey Masturbater!

Buffing the banana, Mr. Lizard shaking bacona,
Pounding on the flounder and its mayonnaise I'm makinga.
Spank the frank, wax the carrot, god my hand is achinga.
Hey Masturbata!





Mark Smeets/Stranger0/HTML Guild Member/ICQ-#1062196
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http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/ - personal page
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm - Megadeth F.A.Q.

Feel our bodies breathing as you try to stop believing, there's nothing you can do 

about your shadows, you can't fight us, you are like us and your body will betray 

you. Lay down and die like all the others. Where are the angels and their wings of 

freedom. Jesus had his day off when they pulled you through - Bruce Dickinson, 

Accident of Birth


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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:37:41 -0500 (EST)
From: "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: I just had a twisted thought...NRealDTC
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


As the subject says, I just had a weird, insane thought.  I have been
listening to S.O.D.'s Live in Budokan album and was reading the jam at the
same time, and all of a sudden thought, "hmmm I wonder what it would sound
like if Dream Theater did a cover of Milano Mosh or Speak english Or Die."
hehehe  I wonder: would that be cool? hehe...I guess it would in some ways,
but I just can't picture James doing that.  It would be funny though.  

Sorry for wasting bandwidth and time,
Beavis (Wes Foll)  	
 http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:45:48 -0500 (EST)
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re:  YTSEJAM digest 3247
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


wow....i've been getting jams from like 10 days ago. anyone else getting
this?

ytsegoon

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the new york law school
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"you have to learn how to change your instincts....or at least ignore them."
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:46:51 -0200
From: Pedro Prado <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Drummers!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.br>


>> Sorry, but you forgot one of the best Jazz drummers of all times: Steve
Gadd.
>> He's not only a jazz drummer, but when he plays jazz he kicks azz! :)
>He's also one of THE most sought after studio drummers.

Yep. You can see it in that site I mentioned: 
http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/sgadd/index.html

All his recordings are there. BTW, I saw a Steve Gadd video sometime ago,
and, from this video, you can see why he was so wanted: his precision is
amazing!


>> If you want to listen to him check this Chick Corea's album: "Three
Quartets".
>Thanks! I'll be adding it to the collection :)

And you really should! This album is great. In the last track Chick Corea
takes Gadd's place and does some great drumming (he played the drums for
some time to improve his piano technics).

___________________

>	Yup, you couldn't have said it better.  I wasn't scrutinizing you when you
>said that Steve Gadd is one of the bests, I was pointing out who was better
>:)  Anyways, I personally believe that Buddy could outdrum most drummers
>today with one hand.  My drum teacher used to be very quick to point that
>out.  I have a video at home that has Buddy playing his heart out in his
>final performance. The one that he had a heart attack in when he was
>playing (he still finished the show) talk about perserverance.  

	Did you hear "Burning for Buddy" tribute to Buddy Rich? I got volume 1 and
I think there's some great points and some horrible points too, like Simon
Phillips. I know Simon is a great drummer ( I saw his workshop here where
he showed this) but in this recording I didn't like him. Maybe he's not
that good in jazz drumming, I don't know.

cheers,


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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:27:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam Mailing List), email_address_removed
Subject: Japanese FII
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Well, I just got my copy of the Japanese FII (big thanks to Mark!),
and am listning to the mini-CD right now.  

First off, this CD is much like the Japanese Awake CD.  This time,
the actual CD (FII) looks identicle to the American one, the Awake CD
is actually a different color for the Japanese one (lighter, not
blck).  The CD came with liner notes in Japanese, with English mixed
in every so often...  there words Pink Floyd appear right next to
Peruvian Skies, and also incluides Images & Wordws, WDADU, Awake,
ACOS, Journey, Aerosmth, Nine Inch Nails, Deep Purple, as well as
various FII song names.  I'll have to take it in to work next
weekend,bc I think someone out there knows Japanese.  It also includes
a corner label with track listing, and a whole bunch of Japanese.
Now, for the important part, the cute little baby CD that came with
it.  As in Awake, the CD itself came loose in the jewel box, in a
small white cloth holder.  I definatly like the TAMP demo better than
the FII version, seems much more emotional (still like the Fix version
best).  I am listening to Speak To Me right now...  it has a very
different sound to it.  About the only thing I can think of to
describe it is U2.  Has a very very strong U2 sound.  The lyrcs seem
pretty repetative, but the music is definatly cool.  Will take a few
more listens to come up with a solid conclusion, but I definatly like
it.  

Anyway, just wanted to post my feelings on the mini CD bonus tracks.


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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:44:33 -0500 (EST)
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: "Learning To Live" Opener
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hey Jammerz -

In a message dated 97-11-26 09:35:22 EST, Eric wrote:

<< All this talk about whether Lines is a good opener made me think of the
 5/93 Providence show when DT opened with Learning to Live.  As far as I
 know it is the only time they have done that and it kicked ass.  Kev just
 goes nuts and so what if your ass is kicked early and often.  Take the
 time.
  >>

Wow!  And all this time, I thought that I saw the only time they opened with
LTL when I sw them in 5/93 in Albany, NY!  (I forgot the exact date, though,
but I think it was like maybe the second gig after returning from Europe.)
 Then, at the end of the show, they closed their regular set with Metropolis
with the band playing the intro rather than having the intro tape playing.  I
remember the encore was Eve and PMU.  My personal opinion was that I thought
that LTL was a poor opener.  It's just that there was no buildup.  Kev just
walked across the stage and started playing the opening licks in the dark.
 At least Derek builds it up with a little theatrics on the current tour
before LITS kicks in.  Anyway, that's my opinion on it after only hearing it
once.  I would REALLY REALLY like any kind of boot from this show (*HINT*) or
the Providence one where they opened with it.  (Or ANY show where they opened
with LTL, if there are others.)  Can anyone help me out?  Please e-mail
prvately.  I'm sure we can work out a trade.  THANKS!!

- Matt T.

P.S. - Can anyone clear something up for a non-musician?  What exactly is
being referred to when the term "chops" is used?  When I first heard the
term, the mental image was that of a guitarist and the riffs that one can
play.  (Kinda like "chopping" on the strings to play a riff, ya know?)  But
recently, I have heard the term used in referring to drummers, keyboardists,
and the like.  Is it just a catch-all term to describe a player's ability?
 (i.e. "This guy's got some wicked chops" meaning "This guy can really play")
 Sorry if this sounds like a dumb or obvious question, but as I said, I am
not a musician, and I want to make sure that I use the term correctly.
 Thanks a lot.

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:30:45 -0600 (CST)
From: jOHN jENS <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Pt 1: John Myung in Bass Frontiers (LONG)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



lo folx. welp, here it is (finally): my new .sig...and a small article ;)
go buy the magazine. it's neat.



Bass Frontiers  November/December 1997  p. 4, 26-29
[I added the BF and JM's. all typos are probably mine.]


Dream Theater's John Myung

Progressive Rock, by its very name, needs to always be evolving and
redefining itself.  Dream Theater's bassist John Myung is definitely doing
his part to make that so.  On their new album Falling Into Infinity John
pushes his personal envelope by recording tracks with his new Yamaha
basses, a Chapman Stick, and even by playing a fretless bass.  Reading our
interview with him will help you keep up with this bassist-on-the-move.

--

John Myung is surprisingly humble when discussing his accomplishments on
bass in his well-respected band of twelve years Dream Theater.  He speaks
of music in all-encompassing terms: writing on bass, as well as guitar and
keyboards-turning "ideas" into epic songs.  On Dream Theater's latest
album Falling Into Infinity, Myung's deep fretless work and progressive
patterns helps to give Dream Theater's catalog of songs a great variety of
musical "personalities".  Three-fifths of the Long Island, NY band-Myung,
guitarist John Petrucci and drummer Mike Portnoy-attended Berklee in 1985
(later enlisting Canadian singer James LaBrie and keyboardist, Derek
Sherinian) and then went on to garner worldwide appeal with their
thought-provoking lyrics and upscale chops.  Approaching a new millennium,
the band elaborates on the premise of "Carpe Diem" (Seize the Day) from
1995's A Change Of Seasons; bringing their musical message into a new age. 
The soft-spoken, 6-string bassist makes no bones about his views on music
education and offers some insight into the world of Dream Theater. 

Bass Frontiers: Tell me a little about your musical background?
John Myung: I've had a lot of experience with Classical music.  I studied
violin for roughly ten years and then I switched over to electric bass,
4-string, which I played for about another ten years.  Then I made the
switch to 6-string bass, which I'm now playing exclusively.

BF: You've been known to Play Tung basses in the past.  Are you still
playing them?
JM: No. About a year ago I switched over to Yamaha basses.  I felt the
need to be connected with a bigger company because I found it hard to do
the things I wanted to do with a smaller company.  And Yamaha's treated me
really good.  I really appreciate the relationship that we have, so I'm
very happy with it.

BF: Which model Yamaha bass did you play on Falling Into Infinity?
JM: I have a couple of TRBs and right now I'm in the process of designing
a custom bass with them, based off their RBX bass line.  They sent me a
6-string prototype for the RBX line.  I'm working on developing something
with them so, hopefully, it will be out soon.  I wound up using the TRB
for certain songs and then the RBX for certain songs.  I had the TRB when
I went into the studio and then after we had tracked a few songs they had
sent me out the RBX prototype.  It felt a lot better to me.  So I wound up
using that for the whole record.

BF: Why did you make the transition to playing 6-string?
JM: I just felt I needed more to work with.  I need the lower strings to
compete with synth sounds and I wanted to have more to work with.  I felt
that four strings were a little limiting because in the band there's a lot
of guitar driven stuff, so having the extra strings makes it easier for me
to compete with what's going on there.

BF: How did you arrive at the music you're playing in Dream Theater?  What
made you want to play this type of music?
JM: (Pause) Good question.  It's just something that we've stumbled upon.
It's a combination of our personalities and what we like musically-making
a cohesive sound with all the different elements.  And it's always
changing because we're growing and our tastes are changing.  We listen to
more Pop stuff now than we used to, so those influences are coming in.
Just a combination of growing and us sticking together as a band.

BF: I have your first album ... on vinyl. 
JM: (laughs) Oh, that's horrendous!  I can't listen to that record.  Well,
that's the difference between 1986 and 1997.

BF: Who are some of your favorite bass players?
JM: I love so many different players!  The list goes on and on: Billy
Sheehan, Marcus Miller, James Jamerson, T.M. Stevens.  There's so many
players to investigate and learn from that it's hard to find time to
follow through with the whole list.  But when I have spare time I like to
learn more about other players.  Kind of see what they're doing and find
out which ones I really connect with musically.

BF: You attended Berklee right after high school.  Do you think a formal
education in music is essential?
JM: Oh, absolutely.  Training, practice and learning is required of any
job or position that you're trying to hold.  A lot of people are born with
exceptional talents, exceptional strength and stamina, but in the arts
everything is pretty much acquired.  You have to work and develop skills,
so it's definitely important to get your education wherever you can find
it.

BF: I noticed you played a Chapman Stick on the new record?  Why did you
want to explore that area?
JM: Well, pretty much everything that I've recorded with the band has
always been behind the bass.  I felt the need to do something different,
which is why I started learning and studying Stick.  I wanted to bring
that sound into the band and I think it really added a lot to the song
"New Millennium" on our new CD. You can hear different types of songs;
songs that have different personalities from the instrumentation.

BF: One song has a somewhat Latin feel to it.  Tell me about your bass
playing on that song ?
JM: Right.  That song is called "Hollow Years".  That was a track that I
played fretless on-which I don't do a whole lot, but Kevin Shirley, the
producer, really inspired me to take the fretless out and play.  And I was
really happy with what he got out of me because if it wasn't for him I
wouldn't have done it.  But now I'm glad I did.

BF: I think sometimes we all need a little push.  Do you feel that way?
JM: Absolutely.  Yeah.  That's one of the great things about the band,
too.  We're friends but we also have a sense of competition where we help
each other improve and push each other to try different things; which is
cool.

[end part 1]

--
jOHN jENS  +  email_address_removed  +  www2.webzone.net/~jjens



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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:14:48 -0500
From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Big Wreck thoughts
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> to me, was a bit cocky to be opening for Dream Theater, eventhough he did
say how dedicated DT fans
> were and that DT were a very talented group.  Yeah you think!..tell me
something I don't know, buddy.
> Why did he think we there risking our lives in the pit of hell called
D.C., because DT sucks, no way!

Rule #1 for opening for DT: No cockiness..And make sure not to mention how
dedicated their fans are, since they already know it, and you're not
allwoed to make such observations...


> Also, they shouldn't have jammed out evey tune ( most of them ran a scary
9 minutes) and who does the

Whats wrong with jamming?  Cause they're the opening band? Oh, so you want
them to conform so that their music be more accesible to you?  The set
remained just as long anyways, right?


> lead singer think he is soloing when Demi-God Petrucci was going to be on
in 30 minutes?  Give me a
> break and let your ego deflate a little.

Rule #2: Dont solo, because no-one else in the world should solo, unless
its John Petrucci.


 Big Wreck should consider that they are playing in front of the
> most complex, die-hard, intelligent, and musically inclined group of fans
in the world ( Yes, we DT
> fans rule!) and should expect a bit of criticism from us.  Hey if you
don't like who your playing for,
> go open up for Hanson or something.  Never blame a DT fan for being
critical, we have a right to be.


The right to be critical? Like , do we got some kind of badge when we
become fans that lets us criticize with no consequences? Wher do I sign up?
 Lemme burst your bubble a bit here bud...there are a lot of music fans out
there who like much more complex music than DT's (can you say classical?)
that would enjoy tearing DT to pieces just like you did to BW.  But you
wouldnt mind, because they have the right to do that....

Ern


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