YTSEJAM Digest 3295 Today's Topics: 1) Big Wreck thoughts by "Timothy C. Wann" 2) some reactions by "Tedesco, Matthew" 3) re: goose-bumb moments by "Andrew Moore" 4) VH dead? by Jason Birzer 5) Re: Big Wreck thoughts by CLARK ABEL 6) christmas cd and mp3 by Nicolas Drouin 7) Poughkeepsie!! by Robert Rivers 8) DT- Xmas 96 CD !!! by Arash Ashouriha 9) open with LTL by email_address_removed (Matthew Scurfield) 10) I'm thankful for... by Phil Carter 11) this weekend by "Ryan P. Skadberg" 12) Bass solo on ToT by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel 13) Re: Goosebump Moment by email_address_removed 14) Winter Rose on radio !! by Satu Reunanen 15) DT IN NORWAY by "Krister Mellum" 16) YESterdays new releases in the USA ...ndtc by "Christopher Files" 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3293 by Pedro Prado 18) Re: Peruvian Skies by "Brian J. Ketelsen" 19) Growing on you... by Seroussi 20) DT Jaxx show is canceled! by "L. Jason Hartman" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:07:08 -0500 From: "Timothy C. Wann" To: email_address_removed Subject: Big Wreck thoughts Message-ID: > Hey everyone, I was at the D.C. show on Sunday night when Big Wreck was given a less than hospitable welcome. Okay, so they aren't bad musicians and the lead singer definitly has talent, in both vocals and guitar. But I totally agree with a lot of you who say they are a Soundgarden, STP, etc. ripoff. Plus the singer, to me, was a bit cocky to be opening for Dream Theater, eventhough he did say how dedicated DT fans were and that DT were a very talented group. Yeah you think!..tell me something I don't know, buddy. Why did he think we there risking our lives in the pit of hell called D.C., because DT sucks, no way! Also, they shouldn't have jammed out evey tune ( most of them ran a scary 9 minutes) and who does the lead singer think he is soloing when Demi-God Petrucci was going to be on in 30 minutes? Give me a break and let your ego deflate a little. Could the crowd could have been nicer, yes, but I don't blame anyone for not enjoying them perform. Big Wreck should consider that they are playing in front of the most complex, die-hard, intelligent, and musically inclined group of fans in the world ( Yes, we DT fans rule!) and should expect a bit of criticism from us. Hey if you don't like who your playing for, go open up for Hanson or something. Never blame a DT fan for being critical, we have a right to be. Thanks for reading my diary on the news stand, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:02:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" To: email_address_removed Subject: some reactions Message-ID: random reactions: from coldfire: >Okay here's my DT goosebumps: >ALL of Hells Kitchen! That song takes me through the full range of >emotions! It has to be both the happiest and saddest song I have ever i am in total agreement. simply perfect. i never heard it as a part of bms, but, though that's a solid song and all, i'm glad it stands alone. from brian: >National Anthem of the United States of America. > [snip] >O'a' de land uh de free and da damn plantation uh de brave wow. up until that last line, i thought that it was just in mildly poor taste. i'm not one to pander to political correctness, but that last line just proved to me that it was in really poor taste. why is this on the jam, i have no idea... but i'm kinda offended, and i'm white. you owe all the black jammers an apology, or some sort of explanation. i suppose it was an attempt at humor (at least i'd like to think it was), but if so, well, it didn't translate well. use some discretion when you post. from neil: >play". Well, nearly. It was, in fact, 21 years ago today that the Sex >Pistols released that great single "Anarchy In The UK". Nostalgia >night, tonight - the video of "The Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle" pogo ok, this makes me curious. the sex pistols personally make me want to vomit, and there are few things in the world i would rather hear less, and i always figured that any right-minded dt fan would feel the same. i guess, though, that i was way off base on that assumption. go figure--you learn something new every day. are there sex pistols fans on the list? (i don't know why i'm so surprised about this, except that i guess i just never expected it.) if so, what is the appeal? i miss it entirely, and who knows, maybe i'm missing something good. i mean, i doubt it, but what the heck, it's worth the question.... incredulously, MATt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:16:47 -0000 From: "Andrew Moore" To: Subject: re: goose-bumb moments Message-ID: <01bcfa86$b23c7700$message_id_removed.ac.uk> Hello, Loren wrote: >The double-bass part of the chourus of PS. "Under Peruvian Skies!" >dg-dg-dg-dg- :) heh heh! As good a way as any to write it! :) I must say, though, I wholeheartedly agree with this. Peruvian Skies is rapidly becoming one of my all-time favs. While we're on the subject, all of Mike's double-bass playing just gets me every time. Some of my fave DT moments are structured around Mike's double-bass playing. For example: Peruvian Skies (obviously!) The end of ACOS (Seize the day and don't you cry...) The end of Innocence Faded The end of Only A Matter Of Time The end of Scarred (don't you just hate the way it fades out! I wish that track went on a LOT longer!) Other fave DT moments (while I'm on the subject): The end of the TTT Demo (where KJLB goes Ooh ooh oooooohhhh, oo oo yeah etc., with the piano bit, and then these lovely, warm keyboard chords come in underneath, which they criminally left off the studio version) The live version of Surrounded (LATM vers., all of it, but especially the end) The live Mission Impossible----->Afterlife (w / KJLB) Voices (all of it, but especially the first verse, and the guitar (I think) bit that goes speaker to speaker during 'The Spider in the window...' bit, and when the first chorus explodes in) The rest of Scarred The mad jam during JLMB The 'Still awake...'/'Wecome to the wasteland' bit of TOT The slide guitar solo in Anna Lee Moon Bubbles (I think it's called that) on the Live In Tokyo video Eve I could go on... and on... Still looking forward to the 9th... Andy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Andrew Moore, IT Adviser, Anglia Business School, Anglia Polytechnic University, Cambridge, UK Tel: 01223 363771 ext. 2250 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:58:31 -0500 From: Jason Birzer To: email_address_removed Subject: VH dead? Message-ID: >also, it may just be me, but i'm pretty sure that extreme will get back >together for one more. the VH thing, while great, will not go over to well >in the publics' eyes. it's bound to fail. the old DLR/VH fans, and the >second wave SH/VH fans aren't gonna want another singer to deal with. all >i know is, i'll buy it the first day it comes out (but that's the only VH >CD i'll have in my collection)... honestly, i forsee gary with VH for one, >maybe two CDs, and then EVH will call it quits from bad critics, then gary >and nuno will get back together... but that's my speculation/ prediction/ >hope/ whatever... Why are you already predicting the demise of VH? There hasn't been any music released yet and you say it is going to suck. Why? It sounds more wishful thinking than anything else. Extreme is dead, sad but true. VH won't die as long as Ed continues playing. From all reports, he is as excited as ever about making music. I don't think your "prediction" will come true. Jason Birzer "The Longshot" mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Big Wreck thoughts Message-ID: > Big Wreck should consider that they are laying in front of the >most complex, die-hard, intelligent, and musically inclined group of fans in th> world ( Yes, we DT fans rule!) and should expect a bit of criticism from us. Whatever, dude. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:53:41 -0500 (EST) From: Nicolas Drouin To: email_address_removed Subject: christmas cd and mp3 Message-ID: Hi when is this christmas cd coming out and what songs will be on it? Where can i find the mp3 of the unreleased DT songs? The new YES rules, get it and hear real talent like DT! Nick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:07:31 -0500 From: Robert Rivers To: email_address_removed Subject: Poughkeepsie!! Message-ID: Wow!!! I just got my ass kicked from Poughkeepsie all the way back to NH!!!! Holy Fuckin Shit!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:12:53 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha To: email_address_removed Subject: DT- Xmas 96 CD !!! Message-ID: Hi Can someone tell me the tracklisting of the DT-Xmas 96 CD ? Thank you very much. Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | OR | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | email_address_removed.de | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:29:18 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Matthew Scurfield) To: email_address_removed Subject: open with LTL Message-ID: I saw DT open with learning to live at the paladium(RI) a few years back. I also saw them open with metropolis and pull me under. I thought learning to live was a little long to open with. They rocked on it anyway. I didnt like when they had the intro of PMU recorded and then came in when the double bass kicks in. The recorded intro to metropolis worked okay since there isnt much going on there. Lines in the sand is a great opener but whos to say... I am also interested in the Boston jam list. I havent read all the current digests yet so if the info is there cool, if not I hope to see it soon Matt Mystic Fishook ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:23:19 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter To: Under a Glass Ytse Subject: I'm thankful for... Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Since Thanksgiving is just round the corner, I wanted to toss out some thoughts about what I'm thankful for... I'm thankful that I've got my hearing and that it's still so keen. Music is pure life to me, and being without music would be hell on earth. I'm glad that there's so many different kinds of music. Even if you don't like a particular kind, there's always something else out there that you do like. In particular, I'm glad that there's so many excellent prog bands out there. I'm thankful for the Ytsejam, and the cool Ytsepersonalities who hang out here; also for their recommendations which have led me to discover lots of cool new bands. I'm grateful for Skadz, who's provided us with this list and lets us post about damn near anything that we please, but keeps things from getting totally out of hand at times. Bravo Skadz. And, of course, I'm glad that five guys formed a band called Dream Theater and saw fit to grace us with their music. Labrie, Portnoy, Sherinian, Petrucci and Myung are five of the finest musicians around, and Dream Theater's music is outstanding. Thanks for doing what you do, guys. Happy Thanksgiving to all. Don't destroy *too* much bird, and spare a thought for those less fortunate who have not heard of Dream Theater. :) Cheers, Phil ===================================================================== Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Tech Support, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Michael Lee Thomas -- "Fresh out of Nowhere" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:59:03 -0500 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: this weekend Message-ID: i'm gone all weekend, if any probs with the jam happen, just email, but nothing will get fixed til sunday skadz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:32:22 -0500 From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel To: email_address_removed Subject: Bass solo on ToT Message-ID: > ToT does end with a bas solo -- from 12:05 all the way to 12:30 or so is a > Myung solo. For a bass player, that may as well be the end of the song, > because it kicks much ass and the rest is coda-style fadeout. > > I won't argue the stick point yet -- I can't hear it eaither. ^_^ Wrong. During the time that you state above (12:05 through 12:30 in ToT) there is not a bass "Solo." A solo is when the musician is the only one playing or his instrument is the unquestionable focus of the moment. Well, the bass is definitely not playing alone and while it does come up in the mix a little, I don't think it does enough take all your attention off the other instruments. All that is IMO, of course, and isn't really the point anyway. The point is that FII DOES NOT end with a bass solo (as the review in question said). ToT ends at 13:07, which is 37 seconds AFTER the 12:30 mark. From 12:30 to the end of FII there is a slow fade out with all the instruments playing softly with the guitar, bass and Mike's cymbal riding getting equal billing to my ear. ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Goosebump Moment Message-ID: Hey! Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I just thought of another Goosebump Moment as I sit here listening to FII as I Type this. Previously, I had posted that a wonderfully Goosy DT moment was the outro to Scarred... Got another one to add to the elite list... "Trial Of Tears": "I LOOOOONG FOR A WAY BACK HOME!!!!!" That's it. Laterz... - Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:50:02 +0200 From: Satu Reunanen To: email_address_removed Subject: Winter Rose on radio !! Message-ID: Funny thing just happened as I was starting to read a jam and put on the radio..they started playing Winter Rose there the same moment ! A strange coincidence..but I liked what I heard. I like that kinda stuff too, so that was a great surprise. Go get that album !! I will. Satu PS: Dream Theater in Finland in March, YAHOOOOO !!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:13:49 +0100 From: "Krister Mellum" To: Subject: DT IN NORWAY Message-ID: <199711262022.VAA04234@online.no> March 1st at Rockefeller music hall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:39:14 -0500 From: "Christopher Files" To: Subject: YESterdays new releases in the USA ...ndtc Message-ID: <01bcfaab$5bcacbe0$0cf1accf@default> If Metallica can show up on the Jam due to being one of DTs influences, so can Yes... dtrc (DT related content). :) KEYS TO ASCENSION 2 is *really* good stuff. I was really disappointed with the new studio material from Keys 1 (although, the live material was great), but the studion material on Keys 2 is 70s-quality Yes material. In particular, Mind Drive the first track on the album, which is 18+ minutes, is great. Like a classic Yes piece, it has some slow, acoustical parts which are very moving (reminiscent of Turn of the Century), as well as some fast-paced instrumental parts (like CttE)--in fact the song ends with an incredible 3min+ instrumental section. Unlike most long Yes songs, Mind Drive is not divided into movements. The subsequent three tracks on the album don't quite measure up to Mind Drive, but they're still really good--two of them open with Yes vocal harmonies (like ...Good People) and two of them end with instrumental sections (like Mind Drive does, but not as fast). The last piece is a brief instrumental which is slow but really moves me. The song lengths are 18, 9, 7, 6, and 4 minutes. Great song-writing all around. And, of course, the live stuff is great as well. OPEN YOUR EYES, which is classic Yes minus Wakeman, plus Billy Sherwood and Igor whats-his-name, is great too. On the first listen I thought it was okay; on the second listen I really liked it. I don't like it as much as KTA2 at present, but I probably won't have a definite opinion about it for awhile. The song lengths run between 4 and 6 minutes, for the most part, except the last track which has a 15minute piece starting at about 7:52 (a couple minutes after the last song on the album ends). Don't get too excited; the entire piece consists of birds tweeting in the background (much like the intro to CttE) with a 3second vocal harmony interlude about every minute or so. Really weird. Good song-writing overall; kind of like a later Rush album: the pieces are shorter, but really well-written. I recommend both albums, and I will probably submit KTA2 as one of my albums of the year (I'll need to listen to it several more times first, though). DTC: I haven't had a chance to write since seeing the Tradewinds show last Friday. Great show, as everyone has said, although I was pretty disappointed that they didn't play Scarred. However, I've never seen UaGM played live before, so that made up for it. I must add that I also liked the new slightly-extended electric version of The Silent Man. Hope to get a boot of it sometime. Anyway, I'm writing primarily because I've yet to see anyone post (possibly because I overlooked it) about the pre-show b sides. Let me just say that "Raise the Knife" kicks ass! Oh, if only they had included it instead of YNM and AL or the like. Where We Used To Be was incredible as well. The others were pretty good, but I couldn't figure out which one was Cover My Eyes and which was Speak to Me. Oh well. I'm really looking forward to having those songs in my possession. Okay, I've written my quota for the month. ~Topher PS Happy Thanksgiving all...and *watch* football while *listening* to DT. BTW I realise that I just wrote a fairly large amount of ndtc, but I'd like to believe that it was relevant to the topic of this mailing list. However, the recent post entitled "Good Morning" with a blithering idiot's version of the National Anthem is simply not funny, tasteful, or in any relevant to the jam (and if it is, somehow, the writer should mention that somewhere in the post). I mean no offense to Brian Hayden; I just didn't think that the post was at all necessary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:34:13 -0200 From: Pedro Prado To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3293 Message-ID: >I have to disagree, though all these guys are great, the best jazz drummer >that ever lived, was Buddy Rich. That is IMO and the opinion of a large >number of professional drummers, including the infamous Neil Peart, who's >influence greatly affects Mike Portnoy. > Buddy Rich has totally affected the way I play today. I bought his book >when I was 12 and learned to play drums to it (he died that year) all of >the rudiments that he exclusively used were outlined in this book. If you >are a drummer I recommend this book. It's called "Buddy Rich's Modern >Interpretation of Snare Drum Rudiments" I still use this book today. Yes, you're completely right! I didn't say that Steve Gadd is the BEST, I said he's ONE OF THE BESTS. I like Buddy Rich too, but I didn't mention him because, for me, it's obvious that he is on of the bests (if not the best) jazz drummers of all times, and every people who likes drumming must agree with it. -=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=- * Pedro Prado - a.k.a. Beheader * Email: email_address_removed - ICQ: 1271907 * URL: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3551 -=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=-==-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:43:58 -0700 From: "Brian J. Ketelsen" To: Subject: Re: Peruvian Skies Message-ID: <001401bcfaac$052dd560$message_id_removed> >> "Poor Venessa" might be a sarcastic remark, meaning she has it so bad >> because her dad won't let her stay out all night - poor baby. Just my >> thoughts. >Yes, I'd have to agree. Just listening to it now, it sounds as if James >has a slightly sarcastic tone to his voice. I have no idea if it was >intended this way, just MHO. There are so many lines in the song that can be interpreted to fit either version. "The monster you created in your daddy's name" could be symbolic of Vanessa's feelings about the lie. Will we ever know the truth? BrianK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:18:44 +0100 From: Seroussi To: email_address_removed Subject: Growing on you... Message-ID: <347C4BE4.EBFB5183@algonet.se> > I will say that I was disappointed with TBA, BUT, It grew on > me because it was Metallica! And if it was released by some other band it wouldn't have grown on you? If DT would release a mediocre (technically speaking, i.e., sloppy playing, etc) rap album (assuming that you dislike rap), would it grow on you because it is DT? That is not right... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:02:45 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Jaxx show is canceled! Message-ID: A friend of mine just got off the phone with Jaxx and it turns out that the DT show scheduled for December 26th at Jaxx in Virgina has been canceled. :( The owner said that DT is having trouble with their managment but they WILL be coming to Jaxx at a later date. No idea when. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ email_address_removed And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3295 **************************