YTSEJAM Digest 3269 Today's Topics: 1) show directions by email_address_removed 2) show directions by email_address_removed 3) JAMMIN' WITH BIG WRECK CONTEST by "Richard A. Rivera" 4) Metallica & megadeth... by Paul Dyer 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3268 by "Richard A. Rivera" 6) Chicken by "Matt Mommaerts" 7) Styx = DT? by "Matt Mommaerts" 8) Re: Metallica by email_address_removed 9) female singers by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 10) JP looks like... by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." 11) Re: spiro agnew by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" 12) What?! by Lobsterback 13) Metal/Rock Survey Thingy by Chris Aitken 14) My Dying Bride by Chris Oates 15) Images And Words HARD BOX !!! by Arash Ashouriha 16) Cow Guys by "Trevor W. Hoit" 17) show me your what? by "Trevor W. Hoit" 18) QR UNPLUG by Dave 19) Live & Alive, Vol. 2 by email_address_removed 20) MP, Progchicks, ETC by "Trevor W. Hoit" 21) learning to live... the more practical aspects by Anna & Heike Boedeker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:48:59 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: show directions Message-ID: If someone could send me a personal e-mail on how to get to the Tradewinds from the GSP, I would rea mail c lly a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:50:16 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: show directions Message-ID: If someone could send me a personal e-mail with directions to the Tradewinds from the GSp, I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Mike Washkevich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:58:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Dream Theater Subject: JAMMIN' WITH BIG WRECK CONTEST Message-ID: ******************************************************************************* A T T E N T I O N A L L Y T S E J A M M E R S ******************************************************************************* In celebration of BIG WRECK's tour with DREAM THEATER, Atlantic Records, in conjunction with YTSEJAM, is pleased to announce JAMMIN' WITH BIG WRECK: an exclusive contest you will only find here on the jam. Those of you who have already seen BIG WRECK on the DT tour can attest to the fact that this Boston-based group delivers a tight and furious set of guitar-driven rock that is unmatched by anything topping the charts today. Comparisons here on the jam have likened the band to everyone from Soundgarden to Stevie Ray Vaughn to STP. HOW IT WORKS: The first 10 people to PRIVATELY e-mail me the correct answer to the Big Wreck trivia question at the bottom of this message will receieve a Big Wreck Prize Package, which will include: publicity photos, bios, stickers, and promotional flats. Of these 10 people, I will select one Grand Prize winner who will receive, in addition to the aforementioned items, the video for the band's current single "The Oaf." To have a shot at the Grand Prize, all you have to do is include in your e-mail answer a short little blurb about why you think you should win the Grand Prize. It's that simple. Once the ten people have been selected, I will post the names and e-mail addresses of the winners (and the grand prize winner) to the jam. Upon seeing this, the winners will then send me their mailing addresses PRIVATELY. WHERE TO SEND YOUR ANSWER: email_address_removed PLEASE NOTE: Unfortunately, this offer only applies to jammers residing in the United States. Furthermore, only the first ten responses will be accepted. Any response posted publicly on the jam will be considered null and void. You also must be on the jam to win (meaning no forwarding this message to your cyber-pals who aren't on the list nor to alt.music.dream-theater). Lastly, by entering this contest you are not going to be put any worthless mailing lists. It goes no further than here, so relax. AND THE QUESTION IS: What does each member of Big Wreck play? HINT: Go to to www.bigwreck.com or the Atlantic Records Homepage at www.atlantic-records.com to find out the answer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:03:39 +0900 From: Paul Dyer To: email_address_removed Subject: Metallica & megadeth... Message-ID: >>WHAT?! you can't be serious, including justice in this. you may not >>*like* it, but that album has the most complicated songs of all their >>albums, and i'd say it required as much work (or more) than the previous >>three. This may be true....but I think it sounds weak. As though it was recorded with no conviction and like it just "had" to be done. For my mind I despise "One". It really annoys me...(except for that double kicks bit)...especially since it was rereleased. the coolest song is "Dyer's Eve" but it definitely has nothing to do with my surname...honest...heh heh. Just my Opinion. As for the guy who flamed me re: Cryptic writings. At any stage did i say that cryptic Writings was bad? Nope. Just that megadeth have changed they're tune just like Metallica. i'd listen to new Megadeth over new Metallica any day. FYI my friend who is an old school megadeth fan has got Cryptic Writings and told me it wasn't as good as he had hoped. Not as Good as Rust...Just like I commented. And no he's not an old speed/thrash fan...his fave band...DT. Cheers Paul D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:50:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3268 Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > > I don't think my last mail about hearing the radio edit of You Not Me last > night ever went through, so we'll see about this one. I was just reading > what is quite possibly the last bastion of quality journalism in the free > world, The Onion, and came across a reference to OFB. I've only read The Onion once and it was fuckin' amazing. The one article that stands out in mind is the one which had Christopher Reeves being reluctantly placed on the top of the Washington Monument in celebration of his courageous effort to overcome his disability. You have to read it. About Vixen: damn good band. "Edge Of A Broken Heart" is a classic song. I don't really like female singers in hard rock (which is funny because my band is actually trying one out this weekend), but these girls rocked. Too bad Richard Marx wrote that song. If anyone has a copy of him doing that live, e-mail me privately. Another great band to check out with a female lead singer is Shaking Family. They are probably the most obscure band I'll ever mention on this list. And one of the cheapest: 99 cents. More pop-rock though. But AMAZING lyrics. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:51:39 -0600 From: "Matt Mommaerts" To: Subject: Chicken Message-ID: <01bcf641$898604a0$message_id_removed> If he's got chicken legs.... I guess you could call them drumsticks too, huh? Rimshot.... damn, I couldn't resist that one... very punny Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:39:08 -0600 ]From: "Ryan Good, WSUM Assistant Music Director" To: email_address_removed Subject: Guitar Tab info Thanks to ALL in advance. Hey, I'd tell you if I knew!!! _____________________________________________________ "I've got chicken legs" - Mike Portnoy _____________________________________________________ Ryan Good - Assistant Music Director WSUM - Madison's idea of College Radio Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1864 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:56:07 -0600 From: "Matt Mommaerts" To: Subject: Styx = DT? Message-ID: <01bcf642$29375da0$message_id_removed> Well, I played some DT for my sister last night... she's 32 and is pretty familiar with some 80's music...but now mostly likes the top 40 women singer type... but she knows some styx....and I played parts of tracks from FII and she said it was a LOT like Styx to her. Well, I do have to admit... that the beginning of TOT reminds me of something from Cornerstone... I dunno... anyone else have an opinion on this? ---------------- I need some BAP for my BAP. - DHP ----------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:11:06 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Metallica Message-ID: > as for Megadeth...same thing applies (just not as cahsed as Metallica!). > Rust in Peace ruled...I haven't even listened to Cryptic Writings... You should. :) ~Eckie reminds you of how cool DT is, while he's at it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:09:00 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: female singers Message-ID: With all this talk about women in rock, i just have to ask... What ever happend to the Cycle Sluts from Hell? hahahahaha, j/k :P Ernesto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:22:38 -0600 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." To: email_address_removed Subject: JP looks like... Message-ID: ..Duane Allman in that photo that's on the page with The Onion's interview with MP. Let's hope he doesn't decide to play chicken with any peach trucks while riding a motorcycle.... :) -- *********************************************************************** * Mark Peters -- email_address_removed -- Auburn University, Class of '99 * * Ytsejammer, tape trader at http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/index.html * * Progressive tape swap - http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/tapeswap.html * * * * "When primitive people practice the rain dance, does it rain at the * * end of practice? And if it doesn't, how do they know they did the * * dance correctly?" - George Carlin * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:54:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: spiro agnew Message-ID: "spiro agnew".......anagram for "grow a penis" superior kicks ass, you know? listening to this "behind" again, first time in a bit, and I'm thinking, "why the hell don't i listen to this more often????", and then i figured out that it's because I got too much cool CDs to ever give any of them their full due, and it's all your (the Ytsejam's) fault, because without you I'd still be listening to the radio and probably enjoying the hell out of re-WIND, oops, forbidden word, re-START so like thanks and all for mentioning all them bands and CDs I've picked up over the past 2.7 years, and stuff............. Mike Blevins: you've been on the jam 2 YEARS, and I just found out about Division and "paradise Lost" THIS YEAR????...... partha heard on radio this morn....a joke Paula Jones' lawyers keep insisting she can describe President Clinton's "identifying marks".....'ol Bill better be careful.....his wife's been known to shred evidence...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:07:15 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: What?! Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:24:39 -0500 (EST) >From: Dan >To: email_address_removed >Subject: Pamela Anderson/Tommie Lee NO DTC!!!! >Message-ID: > > >Just wondering if anyone out there was that infamous videotape of Pam and >Tommy. If you do let me know what your price is....email me in private >please. Thanks!! > >Later, >Dan > Brian =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:33:45 +1100 From: Chris Aitken To: email_address_removed Subject: Metal/Rock Survey Thingy Message-ID: Go vote for Dream Theater on the following Survey. Its for a radio show thats being developed about Metal & Hard Rock. http://www.ideal.net.au/~crowley/metalsurvey/ Tis cool ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Aitken Web Page email_address_removed.au http://www.ideal.net.au/~crowley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Very funny Scotty - Now beam down my clothes !!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:18:40 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: My Dying Bride Message-ID: Hey, I've been listening to "Like Gods of the Sun" quite a bit over the last few days, and I was wondering if there were any good recommendations / discographies from any fans out there. I want to hear more. __ /\ __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:32:49 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha To: email_address_removed Subject: Images And Words HARD BOX !!! Message-ID: Hi Has enybody heard something about the "IMAGES AND WORDS hard box" ? I own 1 copy :-) It's a beautyfull 31 x 15 cm hard box (ID: 92148-2 Atco). The cover is the same as the original IAW cover, but you can see more. Than means, that the original cover is expandet (lot of more of the Sky) Last years, I've bought it from a guy, who was a big DT fan but has lost his interests in DT. (good for me) I'm just wondering if it's at all very rare, since I've paid 100 DM for it. It's still sealed. Acutally I don't know what else the CD is inside. It has a sticker which says : Includes Pull Me Under Metropolis - part I !!!! Under A Glass Moon !!!! Anyone knows something about this real tresure ?? Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | OR | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | email_address_removed.de | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:49:46 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'DT'" Subject: Cow Guys Message-ID: >From: "TheCowGod" >i gotta go. lata moo!! ----------------------------------- It's good to know that there is another cow guy on the list. What happened to the last one? RipCowVirtuoso or something. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:02:42 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: show me your what? Message-ID: >but I wanted to show my ytse to any fans/jammers/band members ------------------------------ I believe this is illegal in several states. Trevor > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:06:26 -0500 From: Dave To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed.de Subject: QR UNPLUG Message-ID: >ok, I was just wondring this myself, and wondered if any of y'alls could >help me out.. I was wondering if anyone reading this recorded Queensryche's >MTV Unplugged show on VCR tape, or evn had it on CD. If so, I'd LOVE to >have a copy. reply to me privately or post it on the Jam so others who >may be interested may also know. I dunno if you knew this or not, but Queensryche has a video out called "Building Empires" on it and it's got Della Brown and I Will Remember on it from MTV unplugged. It kicks much ass, bunch of great stuff on that video!!! You can order it right from my ryche site http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/ just go to recordings buster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:43:41 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Live & Alive, Vol. 2 Message-ID: <971121054339_1271977310@mrin38> Hi there, Rick Audet wrote: >Thanks for pointing this out. Upon further investigation into this topic, >it turns out that although Live And Alive (vol. 1 & 2) are a copy of >Consciously Unreal (like I claim), there are two extra tracks on vol.2 not >on Consciously Unreal. Apparently, these are the tracks you're commenting >on, namely the guitar solo and OaMoT, which include James on vocals and >are quite possibly from the 1992 US tour. I think those two songs are taken from Live in Long Island (Part I). Take Care, Andreas Berger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:09:25 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'DT'" Subject: MP, Progchicks, ETC Message-ID: Speaking of Progchicks and Mike Portnoy, two of the coolest Progchicks I know publish a monthly progrock newsletter called Music News Network. This months issue contains an exclusive 5 page interview with none other than MP! I was the lucky one to personally deliver the issue to him! Thanks MNN! This newletter has reviews, interviews, concert dates and articles about all your favorite progrock/neo-prog bands.(Marillion, DT, Crimson, Asia, Pendragon, Genisis, ELP, Dregs, Tull, etc.) They are also getting more into progmetal. It's $18 for 12 issues payable to Lisa Mikita at: Music News Network, PO Box 21531, Tampa, FL 33622-1531 or e-mail email_address_removed for further info. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:37:06 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker To: email_address_removed Subject: learning to live... the more practical aspects Message-ID: .. email_address_removed ... >>People could basically mail me a Spice Girls tab, say it's "Trial of= Tears" >and I'd >add it without hesitation :-) > >Heh heh...as if the Spice Girls can play actual instruments... I've never bothered to watch eMpTV except for Beavis & Butthead, Headbanger's Ball and Into The Pit or then zapping around some just out of boredom... but as long as they're not into pure synth stuff such as the Human League they probably need a bunch of studio musicians and I only can hope they pay them well and don't treat them like slaves... and I also should add that I hope they sing themselves... .. Rogerio Brito .... > Well, I'm really busy right now and quite depressed (I guess I >need a girlfriend to share love, happiness, some good moments --- I've >been told that the true happiness one finds by himself, but what if I >can't even concretize the desire of having someone at my side?) so I >haven't posted to the 'jam as I used to. Sure, the "find all you need in your mind..." approach :-) The only problem w/ this one is that humans don't live their lives as disembodied spirits, and viewing oneself just as happening to be trapped in some body resp. life in general as a "vale of tears" is *awful*.=20 The only thing you'd better spare yourself is buying some "How to find your partner for life in 12 steps" program full of precocious "advice". I found it helpful to not deny my own sadness, vulnerability and such, which made me more sensitive to both negative and positive experiences, but this is a life I like better to than just being cut-off from any of my feelings. So I think it is a good first step that you broke your silence and started writing about your feelings some. .. Deedlit .... > I shocked the hell out of some fellow college-mates who wanted to hear me >play guitar last weekend...they were totally impressed. (Only because I >was rare, IMO...I suck...that WAS NOT a personal plug. Anyone who knows me >can verify I have no self esteem) The dreaded "I play crap!" musicians disease... I once by chance found a cure by the sound engineer of my then band I only recently had joined playing some tape to me and me going "WOW!! This is amazing... I wish I could play bass like that! Who was it?" to which he replied "The only thing amazing here is your lack of memory as it was yourself..." >> If you're looking for some kick ass all female music... you just >>gotta get The Bangles! I'm sorry if it makes me look like a pud, but I >>don't care! I LOVE IT!! Brings those 80s days back in full (and very >>painful) force. > > Hehe, I'd rather not remember those days ;) I was a little tool kiddie. >I tend to listen to more modern stuff, but I have nothing against the >Bangles, so don't start testosterone-flaming me ;) Ha ha... In case I find a decently priced Rickenbacker 12 string (nothing compares to that jangly sound :-)) we're gonna do a Bangles cover :-) Maybe next to a DT cover... Will make the setlist probably something like my own "Propaganda" as the opener, then directly into "Puppies on Acid/Crack in the Mirror" as a DT tribute, and then "Manic Monday"... woo woo!! Guess I'm inviting desaster here to prove myself immune to testo-flames :-) Just that I'm not immune to my own memories of these 80s days (guess I've seen better times, too...) > Well, I can't empathize. Most of the people in general I play DT for >don't REALLY like it...most of them are guys. Anyone who plays an >instrument is impressed at their level of technical ability, but most >people can't get into them, regardless of gender. Which brings me to my >other point...let me guess, MOST of the people you play DT for are guys >ANYWAY, eh? Statistically speaking, it's an invalid comparison if you play >DT for more guys than chicks anyway ;) <=3D- too much statistical measures >classes for this psych major Oh wow... your doing psych? I've just finished my doctoral diss in Cognitive Anthro (no kidding :-))... as soon as I'll have a tenure track I'll hire you and we can make a series of "Adequate Paradigms 'R' Us" self-help cassette tapes for people suffering from prog-phobia (DSM-III-R Z 37659.76234)... :-) > 7/8 is fun...even Alice In Chains used it on at least ONE entire song >(with the obvious exception of the chorus).... (for those of you who >forget, it was "Them Bones.") Probably it has to do w/ the cognitive universal called "the magical number seven" effect... thinking about it I also remember quite a bunch of Afghan and Indian folk tunes... oh... the PMG piece shifted from 7/8 to 7/4, was called "Crosscurrents", but the CD was "Downwind" resp. "Live"... >>Actually I used to be affiliated w/a women's music initiative in which= most >>were into sax, followed by keyboards and vocals... but only 2 each playing >>bass, dr/perc, and guitar... stilistically it was very jazz-oriented... > > Awesome! I'm not too much into new-wave jazz as I am more blues-heavy, >grinding-ass-heavy-shredding music ;) I have too much anger to let off, I >guess.... :p It comes from being trapped in this shitty school with all >these neo-hippies, I think.... Understandable I guess... I was into hard-as-nails stuff up to grade 8... then I just didn't give any f*** about school any longer -- actually I did everything to flunk just to to get away from this bunch of &%^*=A7$! YECH!! -- and got into fusion which in the 70s still was called jazzrock and was more of the Mahavishnu than of the Spyro Gyra type, so it was intense, too, though somehow more differentiated and colourful... as I then went to university I got into gutwrenching stuff again... :-) > Hahahaha...religion?! What's that crap? (no offense meant, just >emphasizing that I don't believe in it personally) I had to sing for a >friend's band once...way too boring. Plus I had to stand there and have >everyone stare at me, which, IMO, without a guitar in front of me, is bad >news. (paranoia! ;) kidding) That's why I always wanted to hide behind a full-sized double bass... :-) Heike ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3269 **************************