YTSEJAM Digest 3256

Today's Topics:

  1) Re: APSOG
 by Cappy <email_address_removed>
  2) Re: Damon Driving?
 by Damon Fibraio <email_address_removed>
  3) Unknown CD's
 by "Juan Fco. Quintero" <email_address_removed.mx>
  4) Tests schmests
 by Jon Kretschmer <email_address_removed>
  5) kickass!
 by email_address_removed
  6) Re:  kick-ass band in Chicago tonight
 by "Ebatur" <email_address_removed>
  7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3255
 by Jon Dery <email_address_removed>
  8) Mike Portnoy's CDNOW Picks
 by "Kaplan Philip" <email_address_removed>
  9) Girls and PROG......
 by Joe DeAngelo <email_address_removed>
 10) Re: Shadow Gallery CD for Sale
 by Tim Lodge <email_address_removed>
 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3254
 by "Richard A. Rivera" <email_address_removed>
 12) you not me (edit?!) on the radio
 by David Edwards <email_address_removed>
 13) Re: Are these bands prog...? & Re: Ryan's Prog CDs
 by "Christopher Files" <email_address_removed>
 14) Roger prog CDs -- The huge list
 by Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
 15) Re: Shadow Gallery CD for Sale
 by email_address_removed
 16) New Band!!!! Please Read Below!!!!!!
 by email_address_removed

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:30:57 -0600
From: Cappy <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: APSOG
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


TheCowGod wrote:
> Wel, i'd heard plenty of good reviews about it, so on a recent cd-shopping
> spree at cdnow (20% off!! but honey, they were on sale!! heehee :), i
> decided to go ahead and get a copy. Ouch. Why was i not informed that a
> band had so totally defeated DT and rush in the long songs department?

Hehe...welcome do the Fates side!  APSOG is definitely an album to listen
to SEVERAL times before forming a true opinion of (more than FII is, IMHO).
Every time I listen to this album, I get more into it.  The first time I
listened to it, I wasn't blown away buy it, but did really like a lot of
the different parts of the song.  But as I've picked up more of the
atmosphere of the song and the meaning, the more I love this album!  To the
best of my knowledge, on their second leg of the US tour they will be
playing this all the way through again.  So if you missed the first leg,
than make sure to get to these shows as it will probably be your last
chance to see this live! (other than on the video)  Tour dates can be found
on the mailing list page listed in my .sig, or on Island In The Stream
which can be found through progmetal.org (look in the ring).

> My only other experience w/FW is parallels, which i really liked and
> listened to plenty until i lost it. <regretful sigh> Well, I guess that's
> it for now. Moo.

If you liked Parallels.  I would also suggest Perfect Symmetry (I like PS a
little better than Parallels, but most people seem to be the other way).
Inside Out is good for songs like Monument, but overall not their
strongest.  Chasing Time is a good compilation if you want a sampler of all
albums except APSOG.  After that, move back in time starting with No Exit
(or get NE before IO even...because it's another awesome album).

-- 
Mike Jones, email_address_removed __________ Cappy _________ email_address_removed
Parallels - Official Fates Warning Mailing List |    Progressive Metal Hub
     http://www.progmetal.org/fateswarning      | http://www.progmetal.org

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:00:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Damon Fibraio <email_address_removed>
To: TheCowGod <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Damon Driving?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Dan, I was in the car with somebody else, my cousin, and he was driving.
Actually, we were stopped at this current moment and he was in his place
of employment picking up his pay and I was controlling the only part of a
car I am capable of touching without damaging myself or the car, the
radio.

Reach Damon Fibraio at email_address_removed
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush


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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:19:27 -0600
From: "Juan Fco. Quintero" <email_address_removed.mx>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Unknown CD's
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.mx>


> Hey all-  I think I have a good idea.  You know how we all seem to know
> about at least 1 band that no one else knows about? 

Maybe more than one persons know this band, but I think I shuld mention it:
Arti Mestieri. It is a fusion band from Italy and in their line-up is Furio
Chirico; IMO one of the best drummers in all the world.

Starcastle: A Yes clone but its a nice band. If you didn't like the 80's
era of Yes, then check this band out. One of their CD is at Epic label.

Jadis: It is like Enchant but not so heavy, they are from England and
currently they have 3 CD's and 2 short time CD's.
 


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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:35:04 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Tests schmests
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Partha wrote:

>awww, screw it......so what if I'm gonna fail my exam in less than 40
>hours? I'm gonna go see John McLaughlin tonight.....

Hey, its cool.  I saw a DT concert and went on to fail my Psych midterm the
next day.

No biggie...  hehe



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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:10:20 -0500 (EST)
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: kickass!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



The local music store called tonight, to tell me that they'd just gotten
in the imported FII.  It was around 40 dollars, so I, ah, declined.  But
they did have the silent man single also, and I snatched that up.  Anybody
want to shell out 40 dollars for the japanese fii?  I can't believe it 
could cost that much but if somebody wants it, tell me.  

Meanwhile, I know this has been discussed before, but I'm trying to figure
out exactly how hard it is to get the Lie single.  I offered it for two
irving plaza saturday night tickets on IRC last night and someone said
I must have been desperate.  Unless they were being sarcastic, that means
it's worth a lot more than the value of two $21 tickets.  So what's up?

josh
email_address_removed

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:28:38 -0500
From: "Ebatur" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re:  kick-ass band in Chicago tonight
Message-ID: <01bcf49b$39ad53e0$message_id_removed>


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>list who listen to them and they will back me up when I say this band=20
>is great.  They are playing at Thurstons at 7pm (I guess it is on W.=20
>George).  They are a trio out of Canada and they get absolutely no=20
>publicity in the States, so there will be very few people there.

>Anyways, this band is the most talented band I have seen outside of=20
>Dream Theater, and they are unbelievable live.  Give them a shot if=20
>you want to hear some great music, I give my personal guarantee that=20
>you will like it (well, every DT fan I have met that has heard of=20
>them loved them). =20

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off, mixed with
grunge crap.
I'm a DT fan and I can't stand The Tea Party.  For me it's been the =
opposite,
every DT fan I've met hated The Tea Party.=20

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:30:41 -0500
From: Jon Dery <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3255
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Graham wrote:

>   But alas I will not, you can continue to send your foul mouthed miss
> spelled poor gramma 

I'm sure you meant "misspelled poor grammar".

Man, can you do us all a favor and stop making an ass of yourself on the 
Jam?  Is that too much to ask?  And people wonder why there are five 
Jams a day.  You try so hard to make a fool of this guy but you're just 
making yourself seem extremely immature.  Enough already!

Jon Dery

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:33 -0500
From: "Kaplan Philip" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Mike Portnoy's CDNOW Picks
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


CDNOW posted Mike Portnoy's picks:

http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1143711598/RP/GENRE/GIFT_CENTER/P  
ICKS/gift.picks.html

Scroll all the way to the bottom.  Neet-o!!

 -Phil ( http://pud.com )

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:36:59 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Girls and PROG......
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> 
> I'm just curious mainly, most of my female friends are into Real McCoy
> and various other dance shit 


Heheheheh

Yep, I couldn't agree with you more Luke.  Most of the girls I know
listen to either dance shit, or rap.

My girlfriend was trying to explain to me today how great the Tupac (or
2Pac or whatever the hell his name is) CD she just got is!!!!!!!

*GAG, GAG*

 - Joe D.

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:48:51 -0500
From: Tim Lodge <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery CD for Sale
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I wrote:

> 3.  SHADOW GALLERY - CARVED IN STONE - 1 CD $20
> First off, let me say that I paid $20 to get this CD about a year ago...
> It was something like $16 + 3 or 4 bucks for shipping and handling...
> I just couldn't get into the tunes on this disc...anyways its in mint
> condition....


Chris posted:
>
>	Wow... sure beats the $12-$16 we could get it for new, now.  
>
>Chris Ptacek 
>email_address_removed
>http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
>Go Home and Practice!

OK, this is *exactly* why I started out the post for the SG CD by saying
what I paid for it. Since I already OWN the CD, I have not kept up
on what the current asking price is. I figured I was around where it 
was including shipping and handling....There was absolutely ZERO
/ NILL / Zilch bad will on my part in regards to this cd...

If anyone wants this CD for $10 (HAPPY NOW?) I am willing to
part with it and split the shipping. IT IS IN MINT CONDITION...

Sorry for the discrepancy...

.Tim
email_address_removed
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TIM'S NOVEMBER 1997 CD SALE GOING ON NOW AT
   http://nw3.nai.net/~axe/cdsale.htm


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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:06:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3254
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>




On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 email_address_removed wrote:

> Not sure about this, but I think Richie's got it wrong.  I mean, didn't
> Yes' Fragile and CttE come out within 10 or 11 months of each other?
> (The thought makes me tremble--what an overdose of unbelievable music.)
> Rush's albums in the 70s were all close together, and I think Cream did
> all their work in a very short period.  So, thnigs have seemed to
> change.  'Course, with albums back then barely reaching 40 minutes, the
> explanations for the change are probably complicated, but the long
> breaks between albums does seem to be sort of current.
> 
One of the major reasons for the short break between albums in the 70s
(and prior) is that bands, as a whole, didn't spend a year on the road
like they do know. Thus, the potential "run" of an album was considerably
less. If you control for that factor, plus the average length of albums
back then (as you mentioned) and technology, it seems that the
record industry still sought to "milk" an album for all it was worth
before releasing a new product, just that the conception of time has
changed. That's not to say that there weren't
moments where bands had multiple albums on the charts at the same time,
but those are the exception.  


				Richie


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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:11:15 -0500
From: David Edwards <email_address_removed>
To: "'email_address_removed'" <email_address_removed>
Subject: you not me (edit?!) on the radio
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


So, I'm settling in for a nice evening of reading and I hear BMS on WTOS (a 
local hard rock/metal station in Maine.)  I was one of the first people 
that called to request it several weeks ago, so I'm feeling pretty pleased 
that they're still playing it.  Much to my surprise a scant 1 1/2 hours 
later on their new music segment they play You Not Me.  Sorta.

It's funny...with the song the length and style that it is, I figured it 
just about ideal for radio.  Someone disagrees with me.  They somehow 
managed to butcher it.  I honest to god thought the CD player skipped right 
before the little jam towards the end kicks in.  Very blatant jump through 
about half of it.  (So, I figure they save, what, about 15-20 seconds?) and 
the end gets cut a little short too.  Tell me this is a backwoods Maine 
thing.  I'm still calling them regularly trying to convince them that 
Peruvian Skies would be a good one, but they haven't listened to me yet.

So, has anyone else heard this, or am I just on crack?

David


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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:13:53 -0500
From: "Christopher Files" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Are these bands prog...? & Re: Ryan's Prog CDs
Message-ID: <01bcf4a1$8c37a420$20fbaccf@default>


>From: email_address_removed
>Subject: Are these bands prog by your definition?
>
>Jethro Tull
>Faith No More
>
I'm not sure if you're referring to anyone in particular by 'your', but by
my definition, I'd say 'yes' if you're speaking about JT's _Aqualung_,
_Thick as a Brick_, or _A Passion Play_ (all of which I highly recommend,
particularly TaaB), and a few other select songs like "Minstrel in the
Gallery" and "Songs from the Wood", and 'no' if you're referring to most
other JT stuff.  I don't know a lot about Faith No More (although I intend
to soon), but from what I do know, they're primarily metal with slightly
proggish tendencies...  If you want to know more about JT, go to
www.ari.net/prog and click on "The Gibralter Encyclopedia of Progressive
Rock" to find reviews.

And while I'm here I might as well include my small list of prog CDs (and
LPs):
DT--all official releases
Rush--same, except ASoH and AtWaS
Yes--same, except stuff w/ Rabin (ie 80s stuff)
Genesis--all (including 80s stuff) except Tresspass
Pink Floyd--all except More, Obscured, Umma, Final Cut, and live stuff
ELP--up thru Works I
Gentle Giant--up thru Interview
Camel--A Compact Collection
Echolyn--As the World, Suffocating the Bloom, When the Sweet Turns Sour
Spock's Beard--The Light, Beware of Darkness
Jethro Tull--as above plus Original Masters
Dixie Dregs--Bring Em Back Alive, What If, Freefall, Night of the Living
Dregs
Return to Forever (fusion)--The Romantic Warrior
Queensryche--Mindcrime thru HitNF            Renaissance--Novella
Shadow Gallery--Carved in Stone                Happy the Man--self-titled
King Crimson--Thrack, Discipline                Tangerine Dream--Tangram
Fates Warning--APSoG                                Rudess/Mogenstein
Project
Lemur Voice--Insights                                    Anglagard--Hybris,
Epilog
Steve Morse Band--StressFest                    Finneas Guage--More Once
More
Phish--Rift (and some other songs I've taped)
Mahavishnu Orchestra--Visions o/t Emerald Beyond, Birds of Fire

Geez, and that's a small collection compared to most.  Sorry to fill up so
much space...it wasn't my idea :-)  ...And yes, all of these bands are prog
by my definition (and by the definitions at the rec.music.prog homepage
which you can get to from the aforementioned Gibralter page).

~Topher


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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:02:54 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Roger prog CDs -- The huge list
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.br>


On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Christopher Files wrote:

> Geez, and that's a small collection compared to most.  Sorry to fill up so
> much space...it wasn't my idea :-)

	Well, I think that those lists are interesting, considering that
my collection of CDs is very small compared to those of the people here.
Let's see, what do I have of progressive? 

	Dream Theater - all released albums

	Hummm... Only this. :-) I do have a lot of bootlegs, if those
count.  :-) 

> ~Topher

	[]s, Roger...

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:09:25 +0000
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery CD for Sale
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> OK, this is *exactly* why I started out the post for the SG CD by saying
> what I paid for it. Since I already OWN the CD, I have not kept up
> on what the current asking price is. I figured I was around where it 
> was including shipping and handling....There was absolutely ZERO
> / NILL / Zilch bad will on my part in regards to this cd...
> 
> If anyone wants this CD for $10 (HAPPY NOW?) I am willing to
> part with it and split the shipping. IT IS IN MINT CONDITION...

	I thought it was just sort of funny.  I didn't say anything other 
than that one sarcastic line... but hey, I thik it's sort of silly to 
try and get what you paid for a cd when you're reselling it, unless 
it's a boot... and even then...
	That, and $20 is a lot for any US domestic cd.  But if you think I'm 
out of line for bringing that up... no, in this case I don't care.  I 
don't think you meant any bad will, and I am sure I didn't either.

Hasta!

Chris Ptacek 
email_address_removed
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:12:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: New Band!!!! Please Read Below!!!!!!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hello Jammers!

I have news of a new band from here in Michigan called Lunar Crush.  A
progressive influenced band that plays some wicked music!  A few Ytsejammers have
heard clips and have given positive responses.  Now there is a place on the web
to download clips that I have recorded in .WAV format.  The quality is decent
and is that way in order to keep the size of the files smaller.

Thanks to the generosity of my friend and fellow Jammer John McCabe,
there is a place on the web for you to download clips of 4 songs
from Lunar Crush's new CD.

email_address_removed   John McCabe - Keeper of the web page


The links you have to type in to download the 4 different clips.

http://www.concentric.net/~caber1/alone.wav
http://www.concentric.net/~caber1/deprlove.wav
http://www.concentric.net/~caber1/kilsilnc.wav
http://www.concentric.net/~caber1/untamed.wav


                        Track Sample Titles:
                        ====================

                        Alone
                        Depraved Love
                        Killing Silence
                        Untamed




In the event you enjoy what you hear and would like to attain a copy of the CD,
the following is what to do if you are in the U.S.  For Foreign orders, please
e-mail me for details.

                        Ordering Information:
                        =====================

                        Phantom Gallery Recordings
                        c/o Lunar Crush
                        P.O. Box 1514
                        SouthGate, MI 48195

                       *In U.S. send $12 check or money order
                        made out to Phantom Gallery Recordings.

                       *For Foreign orders, e-mail me for
                        details at email_address_removed




Well, there is all the info I have as of now.  I hope people give these guys a
chance as their music is unique and pretty damn good.  Please direct any
feedback and/or questions to me.  If you would like any info on the band,
direct the questions to me and I will pass them on to the band.




Thanks and Rock On,


Jeff E.

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