YTSEJAM Digest 3250 Today's Topics: 1) Eve tab by "woot" 2) Re: Anachronisms? We don't need no stinkin' anachronisms, unless by email_address_removed 3) The Pacific Northwest Dream Theater Weekend of '97, Part I by Jim Beavens 4) Metro I re-release speculations by Chris Oates 5) flames, drummers, and. . . DTC?!?!?! by Banister 6) Oh, dammit I forgot by Chris Oates 7) The Pacific Northwest Dream Theater Weekend of '97 , Part II by Jim Beavens 8) The Pacific Northwest Dream Theater Weekend of '97, Part III by Jim Beavens 9) I wanna hear LtL too. by Jon Kretschmer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:16:00 -0700 From: "woot" To: Subject: Eve tab Message-ID: <01bcf3b7$26b08a80$LocalHost@sir> Coming out of hiding for a sec here. I just happened by Under a Cyber Moon (cool site Itchy) and noticed that they had the Eve tab. I printed it out and went to play it, but quickly discovered that this tab is not Eve. It might be the live version or something, as I haven't compared it to anything but the studio version ye= t, but I have not been able to make heads or tails of this tab. has anyone e= lse tried to play this? It isn't too hard, so I'll probably just figure it o= ut without the tab, but it would be nice to somehow label this as "not the studio version" or something like that. It rolls down stairs It comes not in pairs Runs over your neighbor's foot. It's great for a snack And fits on your back It's woot! woot! woot! woot=99 from Blammo!=AE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:29:36 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Anachronisms? We don't need no stinkin' anachronisms, unless Message-ID: > genitive suffix to words when forming their plurals. My sixth-grade > English teacher wife would spin in her grave if she were dead. But she > isn't. She's upstairs making dinner! ;-) ROFLMAO > If your "brian" is the one telling you what to write, no wonder > you tend to digress... Does Maddy know about your friend Brian? Now you shall feel my wrath! Someone got a copy of that middle finger drawing? From now on I promise to use "They're" instead of "there" and "there" instead of "their!" See how long you can survive! And I'm turning on too! Just for Mosh! Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:27:10 -0800 From: Jim Beavens To: email_address_removed Subject: The Pacific Northwest Dream Theater Weekend of '97, Part I Message-ID: Spoilers of the shows in Portland and Seattle follow in the next couple of posts, and these will probably be long and boring, so read at your own peril... Wow, what a weekend. I have had an extremely shitty last few weeks at work, was starting to suffer from burnout due to working 60+ hours a week, and now here I am Monday morning, completely revitalized due to the massive healing power known as Dream Theater. What a fantastic weekend. It started off Friday evening a couple hours before the show in Portland, when I met fellow 'jammers Zach Gemmill, Matthew Schnoor, and Greg Habetler (along with some of their friends) at Burger King. After scarfing down my dinner, we headed over to the Roseland to wait in line. They opened the doors at 8:00, and we headed up to the balcony. I'm a floor kind of person, but the concensus was to relax and to take in the concert from up high. I didn't mind, since I knew I'd see da boyz tomorrow night in Seattle, so I took it as an opportunity to get a different concert experience than my last two DT shows on the I&W and Awake tours. I estimate that the Roseland can hold 500-600 people, however it looked like we were about 100-200 people short of being sold out. Unfortunately, the balcony filled up first, leaving the floor looking somewhat empty since it was only about 3/4 full. James would make remarks like, "It's a friday night, where is everybody?", and "thanks for coming out anyway, we'll still have a good time". Sometimes I just get the impression that James is greedy. =) I don't think they saw all the people in the balcony, since no lights were ever on up there. Big Wreck came on right on schedule at 9:00, but frankly I just didn't care enough to really listen and form an opinion. I guess they're ok, but I was just impatient. =) The one memory I have is when they were playing their current single (the Oath?), and the lead guitarist/singer started playing these eighth notes with a delayed effect, and I kept expecting him to scream, "won't get fooled again!". Anyway, after BW I tried listening to the unreleased DT songs over the PA, but they weren't very loud and the crowd noise drowned them out. The one song that really caught my ear, and again in Seattle, is the last one they played before Rooster came on. Can anyone tell me which song this was? (my crappy 486 can't handle MP3's, so I haven't heard any unreleased material). It just sounded really cool. Finally Rooster finishes, and Derek walks out, unveils his lava lamps, and proceeds to start playing Lines in the Sand whilst getting intimate with his keyboards. =) The setlist is the one where they play Hollow Years (electric) and Under a Glass Moon, but not Take Away My Pain. They also played the Crimson Sunset from ACOS, which they didn't play the next night in Seattle. Needless to say, the show was phenomenal. I went wild for some songs, including ytsejam, and probably looked pretty wierd around all of the people calmly sitting around me in the balcony, but oh well. =) Finally after they walked off the stage I couldn't stand it anymore and went down to the floor for the encore, Metropolis. I wish now that I had been down there the whole time, because the vibe was incredible. Everyone was really into it, moving to the music without being obnoxious (no moshing!), and there was plenty of elbow room. Oh well, that's what's so cool about having tix to two concerts: there's always tomorrow night. =) After the show we met up again down on the floor and listened to UaGM before proceeding outside to wait by the tour bus. After about a half hour or so, James came out and proceeded to sign autographs. Me being the stupid guy I am, I forgot my CD liner to have signed, so I just hung out and enjoyed being in the presence of TOFKAOFBBPSTWOFB (The Ones Formerly Known as OFB Before People Said They Weren't OFB). There were lots of people and I've never done this "fan" thing before, so I just stayed out of everyone's way. ;) John Petrucci came out next and pretty much made a beeline for the bus. He just looked really tired. He signed a few things as he made his way through the crowd, and had to fend off two _young_ girls who wanted to join him on the bus (an older women standing behind them said, "jeez, he's married with two kids!" ;). Derek also came out and signed stuff for a while. I never saw John Myung. Finally Mike Portnoy came out and was instantly mobbed, but he was just so cool and stayed until everyone got something. I hovered around the area, listening to the (mostly stupid ;) questions that people asked him, and after it had cleared out a bit and he was looking around for something else to sign, I jumped out in front of him and asked him to sign the back of my red Trey Allen-issue ytsejam sweatshirt. Mike said that he hadn't seen it as a sweatshirt before, which was kind of cool. He said he had a laptop and didn't need hardcopies of the 'jam anymore, and I asked him if he really stayed current with the 'jam and read all of the messages. He said that on tour he has lots of free time. When he's at home with his new kid, however, that's another story. =) As has already been mentioned, he is looking for a copy of the Holyfield-Moore(sp?) fight. As of the Seattle show, he still does not have a copy of this. I told him I'd see them in Seattle tomorrow night, and took my leave. At this point I considered the night a success, as I had built up the nerve to actually converse with someone from my favorite band without looking like a total dweeb. Since Zach and I had a long day ahead of us tomorrow, we said goodbye to our fellow 'jammers and headed home. The night ended on a bit of a sour note, since both Zach and I got a $15 parking ticket! I wasn't aware that you had to pay for parking on evenings and weekends, and got burned. Grrrrr.... And so ends the first half of the Pacific Northwest Dream Theater Weekend. I went home feeling immensely satisfied, however as is usually the case after such a great experience, I wanted to do it again. Fortunately for me, I was going to do just that. I got home and wound down a bit, and finally went to bed at around 3am with one thought...tomorrow: Seattle. -- Jim Beavens | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:26:09 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: Metro I re-release speculations Message-ID: I, for one, would like to see a rerelease of Met I on the hypothetical Met II CD, but I'm not sure if I would want it to be just a live recording. After all, the lounge lizard jams and the "Darkness imprisoning me" bit of "One" that they did at the Edge show detracted a bit from the seriousness of the song. That's a good thing in a live concert setting, but I would find it a bit distracting for an official release. __ /\ __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:33:03 -0500 (EST) From: Banister To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: flames, drummers, and. . . DTC?!?!?! Message-ID: I love flame wars! I'm sorry about this, but I have to jump in here with my own assinine comments... Believe it or not, there is some DTC later on! How do the cram all that Graham into a jam?: Graham "Learn to spell or use a spell checker" Borland: > I never claim to be god like or know anymore about DT than 'the average ^^^^^^^^ forgot a hyphen! > jammer'.What ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ period before quote, two (or less! but never zero) spaces after a period! > I do have is brain and use some common sense when posting to this > list, you appear to have neither. forgot an article, mixed up nouns and verbs, run on sentance. > Nope, no excuse you will go straight to hell for your sins :) run on sentance > Yeah maybe I'll ask him when I see him next year, I am sure he reads > you posts ROTFLHAS ^^^^^^^^^ Oh, come on! > at someone who doesn't even know the anachronism's of DT songs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Whooops!! Aren't we talking about acronyms, here? As I remember, DT doesn't dress up in medieval costume and have sword fights on stage (although that could be an interesting stage effect)... > I look before I leap and make a fool of myself in front of other DT > fans. ROTFLMAO! What do you call this post?! Anyway, my point is why make a completely assinine comment about spelling errors, of all things, in a flame about something completely different? Especially when it seems you're not too hot with your grammatical rules yourself. . . Drummers: > > If you're into kick ass drummers. The new John McLaughlin CD has Dennis > Chambers on it, and he just absolutely tears it up... > > -The Doc I agree. . that guy rips shit. McLaughlin always finds the best. . . also worthy of mention are Billy Cobham and Michael Walden from the Mahavishnu days.. . Poor, poor, material: > > I doubt it. I'm convinced that some material is going to get the shaft > > this time. I hope I'm wrong. > > If you have another opportunity to see DT on tour, you can ask the > band. But I think that's sort of silly. The songs are their bread > and butter. That's how they make their money. Why would they throw > away songs that they like? From a musician's standpoint, that's the > last thing I would do. It's not exactly throwing the songs away. . it's being a band that produces more than your company wants. If you write a song that doesn't quite make it to an album, and a couple years pass, that song has missed its chance. (Ignore ACOS for the purpose of this discussion..;) The band has progressed past that point, and probably doesn't want to dwell on those days, but rather release material that is more in-sync with what they're doing now (especially with a band that progresses like DT). For a lot of their stuff that doesn't make it to album, we'll probably just have to deal with the MP3s and the boots. . . they can only release so many B-sides. . . > This one's seeming to get more radio play than Awake. Is this true? Honest question.. .I'm on a radio-fast, because I can't stand to listen to it sometimes. I see posts about radio airplay all the time, but is BMS burning up the charts, or getting left behind? > Record companies are in it for the money. Record companies are a business, and their sole purpose is to make money. The music is incidental. You may hear something that you think is the most powerfull moving thing ever written, but if it doesn't sell, then it's gone. It's a shame that some artists can never really follow their dreams making a living playing what they want to play instead of spending their lives catering to the whims of others. Chapter 1 of why I'm comp sci and not a music major. . . figuratively, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:29:28 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: Oh, dammit I forgot Message-ID: There were no long-sleeve T-shirts when I saw them. If someone wants to pick me up one (large) I'd be most appreciative! Let me know if you are willing to do it, (obviously) i'll pay for all expenses (shipping and such) __ /\ __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:47:35 -0800 From: Jim Beavens To: email_address_removed Subject: The Pacific Northwest Dream Theater Weekend of '97 , Part II Message-ID: ..so Zach comes over to my house a little early at around 1pm on Saturday so we can dub some of his CDs onto a blank tape to listen to in my car (my cd/tape collection is abysmal). We had about an hour or so before we wanted to leave, so I chose Shadow Gallery as the one CD to record. My gracious wife fixed us a pizza to tide us over for the long drive, and after stopping at G.I.Joe's to pick up some cheap earplugs (my ears were still ringing since I wan't able to find good earplugs before Friday's show), Zach and I finally were on the road at about 3:30. The three-hour drive was filled with Shadow Gallery (I like it!), and the copy of Supierior that I had received from Larry Odneal through the ongoing Prog Tape Swap (thanks Larry! And to those who are waiting for a tape from me, hopefully I'll get started on it this week; I still can't find my tapes that are in storage after moving). We got to Seattle at about 6:30 and after a bit of searching found The Fenix (well, actually we found the tour bus in front of The Fenix ;). While waiting in line I got lots of questions about my ytsejam sweatshirt, especially since it had a rather conspicuous signature on the back. ;) I told some people about last night's show, and somebody specifically asked if they were going to play UaGM. I said yes, however DT made me out to be liar since I was unaware that they had come up with a third setlist that included both HY and TAMP, at the expense of UaGM. We were finally let in at 8:30 and I went straight to the floor with the dozen or so people who were already there. Unfortunately, my bad back was hurting from standing for two hours, and I had to sit down. Zach and I decided that the seats were rather comfortable, so we decided to hold on to the table and relax with some drinks during Big Wreck's set. Alas, I had underestimated how filled up this place was going to be, and soon all entrance ways onto the floor were overflowing with people. Zach thought we could push our way up closer when the time came, but I wasn't so sure. When BW started playing their last song we started making our way towards the floor, and sure enough we couldn't get any closer than the top of the steps down to the floor. Finally, this guy pushes past me and past the people in front of me, so I acted quick and immediately started following him, saying "hey, wait up", like I'm with him. This guy was good. He casually made his way towards the front until he was about 6 people back from the stage, and I was right behind him the whole way. I ended up right in the middle of the floor about 8 people back from the stage, looking head-on at Mike's kit. =) Sorry for leaving you behind Zach, but I had to grab the opportunity while it was there. =) I saw this guy after the show and thanked him, and he laughed... My first thought upon seeing the stage was, what a crying shame. It was a shame that DT had to play on such a teeny stage, and in such a teeny place. As Trevor said, MP's drums took up literally half the stage. As it turns out, however, DT seems to have enjoyed themselves in this intimate atmosphere, especially with the balcony that wound all the way around the stage. They couldn't really move around, however I'll bet it was cool for Derek to have people sitting above and behind him to see him play. And Mike kept turning around and handing sticks to people behind him (yes, Mike was almost even with the balcony on that monster kit of his ;). After the opening song, James said, "We're surrounded!" Obviously, the show was incredible. Every time the lights were shown on the crowd, I'd try and step back a bit and jump up and down so the Majesty symbol on my black classic ytsejam shirt was visible (my sweatshirt was tied around my waist at this point), and I _think_ that Mike saw it and pointed at me with a thumbs up a couple times (it was a bit hard to tell where he was pointing to ;). I wore my earplugs sparingly since they were crappy and drowned out the guitar too much, but when I did one thing I noticed was how clear James' voice came through relative to the other instruments, and I was even more impressed with him after this concert. He was on all night, hitting all the notes and staying completely in tune. He really is an amazing singer. When they started playing the instrumental from A Change of Seasons (The Longest Winter?) I started getting prepared. I untied my sweatshirt from around my waist, and started folding it in a certain way. I did this while being packed like sardines with other people around me, so I'm sure they were wondering what the hell I was doing. When I was ready, I waited while listening to the rest of the instrumental. Finally, there was that unmistable quick drum fill and three notes followed by that distinctive chord that they held for a long time while shining the light out on the crowd, just like they did in Portland. At this point I raised my folded sweatshirt in triumph with one word showing prominently: YTSEJAM. Mike was looking around and pointing to other people, and then finally he points at my sweatshirt with his stick and pumps his fist in the air. I _KNOW_ he saw me that time. 8^) When they continued playing ytsejam, I completely lost it. I don't really remember that much about their performance of the song, just because I practically lost myself in the song, _became part_ of the song. I hardly even noticed the power outtage that occured that knocked the keyboard and bass out of the mix for a few seconds. It was just one of those undescribable moments that I'll never forget. After it was over, I was spent. I can't even remember what they played after ytsejam (Zach later mentioned that they didn't play The Crimson Sunset). I put my earplugs back in to save what hearing I had left, and I simply stood there to absorb whatever else they wanted to play. Within the past 24 hours, I was wrapping up my 4th complete hour of seeing Dream Theater live, and by that time I was just overflowing with love for this band. =) Hearing Metropolis again for the encore was just a bonus to top it all off, and was a nice closure to this whole experience. After the show I simply wandered around the floor in a bit of a daze, looking for Zach. I found him outside with Trevor, and we proceeded to wait for the band to come out. Since this part is getting a little long, I'll save our experiences with the band members for part III. -- Jim Beavens | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:02:11 -0800 From: Jim Beavens To: email_address_removed Subject: The Pacific Northwest Dream Theater Weekend of '97, Part III Message-ID: ..after the show I ran back to the car to grab my pen and Zach's camera. When I got back, Zach said that Derek had been there, but he was now gone. We waited about 30 more minutes, before I started to wonder if they were getting mobbed in the club (I wasn't sure if there was another exit or not). So I go back inside the club to find lots of people still waiting by the backstage door, but there at the bar is Derek drinking a beer. We both see each other at the same time, he sees my shirt, and he walks up to me and says, "Hi there ytsejammer, what's your name?". He was a really cool guy, and we talked for a bit about the show, and the fact that he couldn't set up his lava lamps for this show because they were afraid that everyone above him would set their beers on them or something. He asked if I noticed the carpet that covers the riser where his keyboards are located, and I said that I couldn't really see them from the floor, or notice anything about it from the balcony in Portland. He said that it started out as a fairly simple carpet, but has become more elaborate with time, and is starting to look like something out of 'Star Trek'. I don't know what he was talking about, but you guys might want to pay attention to it in future shows. At this point, in the middle of our conversation, a guy who was standing nearby asks me about my sweatshirt, something about if it's different than the one at rsabbs, or something. He was saying how he found out about this show on the internet, and while he was talking to me, Derek walks away. I don't know if this guy is on the 'jam or not, but if he is, I want to ask you a question: WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? Here I was, having a perfectly good ONE-ON-ONE conversation with a member of DT, with NOBODY else around, nobody mobbing him for signatures, and this guy interrupts us to start a conversation with me. I was a bit peeved. =) Anyway, so Derek walked away, and after pulling myself away from this guy, I start walking towards Derek until I see that he's putting the moves on the waitress that works at the Fenix. Well, shit, there goes that. So I turn around and go back and just kind of monitor him from afar for a chance to get his signature before I go back outside. Let me tell ya something, Derek is fun to watch. 8^) He went to talk to the waitress while she was serving this woman at a table, and soon Derek was signing a piece of paper and giving it to the waitress. They talked a few more seconds, and then the waitress goes back to the bar, presumably to get a drink for this other woman. So what does Derek do? He slides over into a chair next to this woman and shakes her hand, and starts talking to her. The man has no shame... =) Finally, the waitress comes back, and then she and Derek start walking back to the bar together. She busied herself at the bar for a moment, so I took the opportunity to ask Derek to sign my sweatshirt before leaving. Then I went back outside and waited with Zach and Trevor for other members of the band. I told them that Derek was kind of busy, and sure enough in about 5 minutes out walk Derek and the waitress, who both go into the tour bus. We all looked at each other, and Trevor said something like it must be tough to be the only single guy in the band, and we all cracked up. Then, as Trevor said, 5 minutes later the waitress walks out and walks by us at a rather rapid clip back into the club, with Derek following right behind her. Then a few minutes later Derek comes back out of the club alone, gives Trevor a high five as he passes by, says "Take it easy, man!", and laughs out loud. We have no idea what happened, but it was sure damn funny. =) A little while later Mike Portnoy came out and got mobbed again, and once again showed just how cool and friendly he is with the fans. Also, John Myung hung out for a bit outside the tour bus door, and I quickly ran over in line to have him sign my back. I didn't really know what to say to him, so I said something stupid like, "please don't wait 3 years to put out another album," and he just nodded. Yep, that's John Myung. =) A little later John Petrucci left the bus and quickly ran across the street and started walking down the sidewalk. I guess a few people ran after him and got some signatures, but he obviously wanted to go someplace else, and I just don't like getting autographs if the people don't feel like giving them. I wonder where he was going... Eventually things cleared up around Mike again, so both Zach and Trevor were able to get up next to him so I could snap a picture for each of them. Somebody asked about his kid, and he had a picture of his daughter on the back of his backstage pass around his neck. How cute... =) We briefly chatted with Mike about the show, and he asked which one was better, Portland or Seattle. I said I liked the venue in Portland better, but Mike thought there were more people in Seattle. I mentioned that I thought there were more people in Portland than he might have thought up in the balcony, and he said that they should have closed the balcony off. =) I didn't mention that we were some of the people that were contributing to the poor showing on the floor... Finally Mike started inching towards the door of the bus, so we shook his hand one more time and left to head back to Portland. I never saw James LaBrie, so I would have to be content with the 3 signatures I got on my sweatshirt. Gives me something to shoot for next time they come through town. =) It was 2am at this point, and frankly the 3-hour drive home is a bit of a blur. I know we stopped at every rest area along the way, and I even slept for a half-hour at one of them, but the 3-hour drive seemed to go by awfully fast...I hope I didn't doze off while driving... We got back home at about 5:30am, and I was in bed by 6am with wonderful visions still in my head of a weekend I'll never forget. I don't know if it's the best weekend of my life (getting married in Las Vegas is still way up there ;), but it's damn close... It was great meeting everybody at both Portland and Seattle, all of whom I've mentioned, I think, except for Ken & Nicole. I told Mike to not forget the Northwest when they go on tour next year, and he said he won't. I would do this whole thing again in a heartbeat... Sorry for the obscene length of this, but I was hoping to convey this experience as much as possible for those that weren't able to make it to a show this time around, while at the same time recording a journal of the event for myself. Feel free to flame me, at this point I'm on too much of a high to care. =) Jim -- Jim Beavens | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:02:59 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Subject: I wanna hear LtL too. Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:26:50 -0600 >From: Ryan Good > Wouldn't it be nice to hear Learning to Live? I think It would. > > Anyone else?? I asked MP this, and he said that there wasnt any specific reason that they werent playing it. He cited the fact that they played it for some of the Fix shows. Actually, there is an mp3 out of LtL from one of the shows. So my point is the fact that they arent playing LtL isnt because they dont want to, or that Derek couldnt handle it (which is BS, Derek is a monster), its just that with so many kick ass new songs (ToT, PS, TAMP), they would rather play those. At least that is the impression I got. Oh yeah, and they are playing Scarred. Nuff said... : ) Jon ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3250 **************************