YTSEJAM Digest 3249 Today's Topics: 1) If there is balance / Edible Rex / If there is Derek :) by Jon Parmet 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3247 by "Christopher Files" 3) Re: drummers by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 4) Gaz, OFB, FII Shirt, IRC page, Chuckie D. by Mark Bredius 5) Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 by Eric Rodger 6) Wouldn't it be nice... by Ryan Good 7) Re: If there is balance / Edible Rex / If there is Derek :) by Albert Balkiewicz 8) Mid Term Review by "Metzger, Mark" 9) wrong word by Eric Desobe 10) Anachronisms? We don't need no stinkin' anachronisms, unless by Kevin Madden 11) Crimson glory 4 by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" 12) wildside by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" 13) Re: Celestial Haze.. by Syrinx 14) Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:30:51 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: Ytsejam Subject: If there is balance / Edible Rex / If there is Derek :) Message-ID: Eric theorized with: > I'm just curious if all the extras (Storm, Shirley, Desmond) have paid off, or > if I&W will remain their most successful album. Yeah, what was that guy's name on I&W? Jay Beckenstein? Yeah, that's it :) > I&W remain the victor, which would prove that leaving the band alone to do > their thing, their way is the best method - but I also don't want to chance > them being dropped due to not enough sales. Even as much as people bitch > about East/West, I think they'd be much worse off on another label. It'd be nice if we could always do what we want all the time, but it just don't work that way. I think if the issue is one of proof, FII proved that even with someone else steering the ship, the journey we are taken on is still a great one. And the next one will be just as mahvelous: be it the next disc which is released, or be it the next time I see them live... It's still their soul at the core of the creation. Indeed, the live experience IS dt! You can't edit a spontaneous jam live, now, can you? Cherish them live! Skull fucker penetrated with: > and anyone from MA will get a > kick out of this one - Edible Rex (the only place that Stu Hamm had to dive > behind his amp to prevent himself from being shot at, so he told me). I Oh man!!! That place used to be called My Place till it got shut down (too many stabbings, hehehehe). You'd think with a 4:1 f:m ratio, people would be happy and chill the fook out, but noooooo...... Thanks for the mammories, though :) Eric, again: > Would you rather they redid the whole I&W album with Derek instead of > releasing new material? [remaining birth of cow deleted] :) Chill! Did he [Mads] say the *whole* album, or did he say Metropolis? Extremism does nothing to strengthen an argument. In any case, will re-doing a song lessen the beauty of the original? I'm honestly curious, did you find cia9itg live sickening? I realize this is not something released (although some would argue parts of NM count), but Derek is playing on a song Kevin originally keyed, and there is re-interpretation there in the entire composition. > To think that Shirley wanted to release only 60 minutes of material on FII makes > me sick, when knowing that there is already a ton of material being overlooked. Get well soon :) Don't matter to me either way. I appreciate what's there, instead of bitching about what ain't! They could release a disc with just CiaW on it: 15 different ways, and I'd love it. It's the Zappa fan in me I guess :) To hear it! Overlooked? How do you know? Cuz it ain't on a CD that you can purchase YET? I wish I could predict the future, I'd know where to invest all my money :) Regards, Jon *------------*----------------------------*-------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:35:41 -0500 From: "Christopher Files" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3247 Message-ID: <01bcf3a9$22a9b0a0$95fbaccf@default> >Thank god MikeP pushed for the >longer album. When paying $16 for an album, I feel I'm getting more for my >money with a 78 min. CD of all new material, than a 60 min. CD with >re-hashed songs. > >KAI Just a thought concerning album pricing: when ACoS was first released, I bought it at Tower for about $2 less than what one would pay for a full length CD. Presumably this is because it was considered an EP, yet, in actuality, it had a longer running time than I&W. Given this logic (or lack thereof), I think DT should only release EPs. For instance, the most recent release could have been called the 'New Millenium EP' or something. Just following record industry logic to my own conclusions. I also get a kick out of how a 72min 'Greatest Hits' CD by [insert artist name here] will sell for more money than a 79min Metallica release (I use Load as an example because it's the longest studio release that I've seen). ~Topher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:42:20 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: drummers Message-ID: On the Eve of Destruction, email_address_removed said: > > And yes, it's a damn tough decision on who's the better band... >Symphony X or Angra... :) Bah, music isn't a competition, it's all subjective anyways... Sure, there are bands out there that just suck ass... we won't mention any like AlternicA. :) But as far as I'm concerned, S-X appeals more to different people and Angra may appeal more to others, while Stratovarius appeals quite a bit to us double bass mongers. :) As our boisterous Aussie, Graham, would say, Rhapsody is quite "the shit", but I've only heard snippets, and it sounds good. Also, I have a new demo from Guillory for the new Chaos Theory album, and the new drummer is quite the double bass monster, but don't worry, the music is still pure Chaos Theory, and they have a lot more new stuff planned for the CD to be released in 98. > >Chris Ptacek >email_address_removed >http://www.prognosis.com/madsman >Go Home and Practice! Go Home and Learn to play guitar... :) As Gary (from SG would say). -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: email_address_removed #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:37:13 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: Gaz, OFB, FII Shirt, IRC page, Chuckie D. Message-ID: Nigel Bridgeman wrote : > I love it when Graham just goes off his nut like this, Me too :-) Gaz, don't ever change ;-) > and I must agree with him. What else can TOWHTSTS mean? Yeah. Personally, I'd first get out my DT (also known as OFB) CD's and check the titles, to prevent looking like a moron... > And, as someone has already mentioned before, why do people here > refer to DT as OFB when DT is quicker to type? Because they are stupid. OFB is bullshit. There are probably lots of people on this list who wouldn't call DT their favourite band, but ONE of their favourite bands. Let's call 'em OOOFB from *now* on, ok ? > I refuse to call em OFB, anyway, cos they ain't my FB. See ! > Not sure who is. Actually, they probably are, I'm just mixed up > at the moment. "Oh, maybe not. I'm all mixed up." :-) > Which reminds me... apart from the Christmas CD, is the FC really > worth joining? What *exactly* does one get upon joining? And what's > in the newsletters that we can't read on the net? We could tell you, but then they'd have to kill us. ;-) T o u r S h i r t Q u e s t i o n Now, I have a question. Does anyone know how a girl from Texas can get her hands on a FII tour shirt for her boyfriend for xmas ? She got an email addy for the DTIFC from a webpage but it doesn't seem to be working anymore... Does anyone have Neil Elliott's (current) email address for me ? Maybe he can help her out. Or maybe there's someone here who'd be willing to pick up a tour shirt for her at a concert. Let me know, and I'll give you her email addy. :-) # Y t s e j a m I R C p a g e Btw, if you're a frequent #Ytsejam visitor, please check out Under A Cyber Moon's #Ytsejam page... Let me know if your description is outdated, or if you simply want me to replace it. New pictures are also more than welcome (*especially* of those who are on the page without a picture right now). If you get on #Ytsejam regularly and are not on the page yet, mail me your nick, real name, email addy, URL, picture and short (5 lines max) description at : email_address_removed Check out "Under A Cyber Moon" at http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ C o m i n i c i Oh yeah... "Charlie Dominici" signed the guestbook last week after I mailed him. Misspelled his name as Cominici :-) Do we *really* want this guy to be the real thing ? Has anyone talked to the guys about this ? He is supposed to be planning some kind of come-back. Maybe he could start a band, named Dream TheatRE ! Mark email_address_removed I feel shipwrecked, _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ I might as well be shipwrecked : |:__ __| __\: |_: |: \_ | I'm helpless and alone, drifting out to sea : | : |: (___: _ | :_ / (Genesis - Shipwrecked) :_| :_| :___/:_| :_| :__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:57:24 -0500 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 Message-ID: > If the band doesn't like a song, the song won't make it, whether we >want it or not. Putting a song (I.E. Met pt. 1) on a disc won't >change that. I was making the assumption that DT liked everything they wrote. And putting Met 1 could easily bump another song. I'm not sure why you think otherwise. > If you have another opportunity to see DT on tour, you can ask the >band. But I think that's sort of silly. The songs are their bread >and butter. That's how they make their money. Why would they throw >away songs that they like? From a musician's standpoint, that's the >last thing I would do. It's not always their choice. Also, my main point is that they're writing material too quickly for releases to keep up with them, therefore, some songs might not get released. I'm not accusing them of actively throwing songs away. > To this, I can only respond with watch and see. I'm giving Elektra >more credit than that. The band is making money... the fans are >sturring up, and the album is selling at least as well as the others. > This one's seeming to get more radio play than Awake. Record >companies are in it for the money. These are the trends that they >watch. When DT is done touring, and says "We want a month off and >then we want to go back into the studio" or whatever, they're going >to get it this time. I hope you're right. But the current trend of record companies seems to drag future releases in order to milk every last sale from the album that's already out. I don't quite understand this logic, because I would think that releasing a new album would stimulate more sales of previous albums also, without any additional promotional money being invested. > I believe that DT is destined for commercial success. When the >trend is right, they'll be the next Queensryche or even the next >Rush. That's my prediction. I think their bargaining powers, and >the voices of their loud and annoying internet fans are growing... >and you can't stop what's on its way. > But I guess that just shows some optimism that was spilled into my >half empty bowl of pessimist flakes. I'm in metaphorical heaven! I also think DT is going to see more commercial success, which is good. What's cool is that the bulk of their following has been achieved through uncommercial material. I hope they continue to balance the material. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:26:50 -0600 From: Ryan Good To: email_address_removed Subject: Wouldn't it be nice... Message-ID: Hey all Madison Dream Theater Show Attendees: Wouldn't it be nice to hear Learning to Live? I think It would. Anyone else?? _____________________________________________________ "People in prayer for me, everyone there for me, sometimes I feel I should face this alone. 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WSUM/MSR Homepage: http://msr.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:27:11 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: If there is balance / Edible Rex / If there is Derek :) Message-ID: > Eric, again: > > > Would you rather they redid the whole I&W album with Derek instead of > > releasing new material? > hmm, do I smell a "When Images and Derek Unite"?????? any takers? :P -Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning. ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: email_address_removed email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:27:12 -0500 From: "Metzger, Mark" To: "'(ytsejam)'" Subject: Mid Term Review Message-ID: Well, its been almost two months now (my requisite minimum time period to really reflect on a new CD) and I offer the following opinions: 1) I am one of those who prefer I&W to Awake. For me, although the highs of Awake may be higher than the highs of FII (the jury is still out), FII is safely ahead of Awake in overall stature. 2) As one who was worried to slow death about what Kevin Shirley could have done to the disk, I think that his impact was probably "a break even". He should be hung by toenails for what he did to TAMP, but he should be commended for the overall sound recording wise of the disk. Inbreeds will doubtless fly out of the woodwork and point out how it was not perfect, sound wise, but for a list as picky as the jam there have really only been isolated complaints for good reason. "Party on the Roof !!" 3) JM's compositions. What can one say ?? Yell and scream at him for not writing more songs or appreciate that he keeps the bar high. And, the bar is very high. 4) Everyone has their opinions on song selection and this gets petty, but here's mine. How could they have omitted Speak to Me in lieu of AL and YNM ?? 5) Speaking of YNM, I find it quite odd that after paying that dude to help them to sell out that dont seem to be pushing for radio play for the song and to my knowledge, haven't even played it live to date. To quote someone famous "balls and chunk is where it's at !!" Words to live by in the future, eh ?? 6) I like NM more each time I hear it. And HY is just as good as AD or Surrounded. 7) ToT could use a modified, more rocking ending to make the perfect encore. 8) A big resounding WELCOME to DS. He fits in musically and appears to be enjoying himself. Good for him. Cool to hear that he assisted with the writing of LitS. It builds up inside It rolls down the shaft It comes out in spurts It goes spoot! spoot! spoot! Runs over your knee And dribbles onto the floor Aaaaaaah. Go Blammo! I must be turning Japanese !!!!!!!! Signed, Name withheld to protect my identity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:46:21 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Desobe To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: wrong word Message-ID: "Reguarly" was the wrong the word to use for seeing the Lie single however it seems I have seen it more than the average person. I got my copy in Dec 94 and have seen at least six times since then, sorry if I mislead anyone. Take the time. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:47:45 -0500 From: Kevin Madden To: email_address_removed Subject: Anachronisms? We don't need no stinkin' anachronisms, unless Message-ID: Graham "the H is silent, but I am not" B. wrote: > Yeah maybe I'll ask him when I see him next year, I am sure he reads you > posts ROTFLHAS at someone who doesn't even know the anachronism's > of DT songs. > > Sticks and stones Andrew > > graham Uh, could you have been referring to "abbreviations" of DT songs? I find your use of "anachronism" quite unintentionally amusing, especially if one takes into account all the pundits who label DT nothing but a tired prog band rehashing old Yes and Rush ground. Anachronism, indeed! By the way, I love it when people add the possessive genitive suffix to words when forming their plurals. My sixth-grade English teacher wife would spin in her grave if she were dead. But she isn't. She's upstairs making dinner! ;-) Chris "no comment on my tin ear" Ptacek wrote: >And to those who read my Symphony X post, please keep in mind that >while I do understand and use grammar, sometimes my fingers don't >while they're translating the impulses my brian sends them. If your "brian" is the one telling you what to write, no wonder you tend to digress... Does Maddy know about your friend Brian? CD of the Day: Voivod - Phobos (sorta like a mix of "Dimesion Hatross" and "Negtron." Not too much "Outer Limits" or "Angel Rat" influences here. Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat - Detroit Red Wings 8-3 13-5-4 vs Cowboys vs Islanders Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:10:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Crimson glory 4 Message-ID: for some reason, i'm thinking I saw it as a pre-order at wildside imports web pages for about $30..... can't recall the url off hand, but if you need/want it.....feel free to ask...... partha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:14:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: wildside Message-ID: save you the trouble of contacting me...... Wildside Imports -------------> now, i can't be SURE that this is where i saw it..... but then again, they do offer some things y'all were talking about last week (pretty maids) at ok prices......haven't ordered from them myself, but i hear they're quick enough, and hey, they're in Michigan, and let me assure you this state kicks ass (like the #1 rated football team, don'tcha know? :) partha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:14:48 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx To: Charlie Korch Subject: Re: Celestial Haze.. Message-ID: > I love the entire album. Celestial Haze is a beautiful song, and perfectly > compliments the instrumental (who's name eludes me.........Akasha, or > something) which precedes it. Akasha Chronicles. > It is nice to see someone talking about these guys. The Lemur Voice album > (Insights) is a must have for any prog rock fan. Would you have any idea > when there next album is coming out? All I have heard is that they have > sent 6 songs to Magna Carta for "Inspection/Approval". when -i- know, you'll know. :) * * * * * * * * e-mail: email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm maintainer of the genesis frequently asked questions list: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/genesis/genesis-faq.htm (c) 1997 Erotomania, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:22:52 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 Message-ID: > I was making the assumption that DT liked everything they wrote. And > putting Met 1 could easily bump another song. I'm not sure why you think > otherwise. Like anyone else, DT will write some songs that they like and some that they say "Hmmmm.... Nah, trash it." No one is infallible. It's part of the writing process. > It's not always their choice. Also, my main point is that they're writing > material too quickly for releases to keep up with them, therefore, some > songs might not get released. I'm not accusing them of actively throwing > songs away. Well, I won't be the one to tell them "Slow down! You're writing too much material! We don't want that!" Hehehe J/K > I hope you're right. But the current trend of record companies seems to > drag future releases in order to milk every last sale from the album that's > already out. Please cite evidence to support this contention. I don't see that as being the case (They weren't "Milking 'Awake'" so don't use that one). I don't clearly see where you're coming from. > I'm in metaphorical heaven! I'm in Ambiguity Orange Gulf of Mexico. Hasta Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3249 **************************