YTSEJAM Digest 3247 Today's Topics: 1) Celestial Haze.. by "Charlie Korch" 2) Front row is the only place to be! by Jon Kretschmer 3) Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 by email_address_removed 4) Re: Symphony X by email_address_removed (MR STEVE J VOGEL) 5) tradewinds show by "Kelly A. McAllister" 6) Victor Wooten by "Dale R. Newberry" 7) Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 by Eric Rodger 8) Re: Blah: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 by email_address_removed 9) DTIFC by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) 10) Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 by "Lauren Glenn" 11) Hollow years cd by Eric Desobe 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3246 by "Avo!" 13) Re: Hollow years cd by Albert Balkiewicz 14) Voivod! by bj reurich 15) Re: Hollow years cd by Rick Audet 16) Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 by email_address_removed 17) DT FOR SALE!! by "Richard A. Rivera" 18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3246 by "Richard A. Rivera" 19) Re: Front row is the only place to be! by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 20) Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 by email_address_removed 21) Symphony X and Angra... by "Blevins, Mike" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:51:15 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch" To: email_address_removed Subject: Celestial Haze.. Message-ID: >Is there anyone else here who gets goosebumps whenever they listen to >Celestial Haze by LV ? Geez, that songs just sends shivers up my >spine... >Simple, yet tremendously effective, it makes Eve sound warm... I love the entire album. Celestial Haze is a beautiful song, and perfectly compliments the instrumental (who's name eludes me.........Akasha, or something) which precedes it. It is nice to see someone talking about these guys. The Lemur Voice album (Insights) is a must have for any prog rock fan. Would you have any idea when there next album is coming out? All I have heard is that they have sent 6 songs to Magna Carta for "Inspection/Approval". Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:08:41 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Subject: Front row is the only place to be! Message-ID: >>Well, for the Edge show, I didnt really notice how many people were there >>cuz I was in the front row > >I really don't see why people would be in the front row of a concert. >Being further back gives you a better chance of seeing the whole stage. >And you're not just staring at Jimmy LaBrie's feet for two hours. Yeah, I see what you mean. But front row is the place to be for goodies like picks, drumsticks, and setlists, that IMHO make the show a HELL of a lot more fun and memorable. Cuz, purely hypothetically, if you have two picks and a drumstick and two setlists included with your tickets and occasional promo poster showcased on your mantle, arent you more likely to say "That night kicked ass?" : ) Just a thought... You dont get high fives either from the 8th row either... ; ) To each their own, I suppose. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:20:08 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 Message-ID: > >I was just thinking today, and I think it'd be really cool if, on the > >Metropolis Part 2 release, that DT would re-record Metropolis Pt. 1 and put > >it on the disc, then you could kind of flow from the first to the second. > >Not to mention it would get rid of that snare. =) What does everybody > >think about this one? > > I think it's a waste of valueable disc space. They have other material > that needs to fill that space more than a rerelease of a song we already > have. My take: I think it would be awesome to put Met 1 and 2 on the same disc, if and only if: A). They sound like they're related (lyrically or melodically or both) and B). the album Metropolis 2 is on is not a full album on which some songs would have to be cut for Metropolis 1 to show up. As far as a waste of disc space? I don't think so. It would be a new version of the song, and chances are, whatever album Metropolis 2 ends up on will be an EP, not a full new album. I don't think they'll fill the disc with 78 minutes of music. I disagree with the "waste of space" thing only because we know we'll get all the music eventually, on b-sides or a new album... so I'd love to hear Metropolis 1 redone to showcase Derek and to fit in line with Metropolis 2. Just my opinion. Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:19:48, -0500 From: email_address_removed (MR STEVE J VOGEL) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Symphony X Message-ID: FYI the band has either completed recording their new album or is nearing its completion. The vocals were done last week, so......you guys have a better time frame for it. When I get more info I'll let y'all know ____ Carpe Diem Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 12:46:24 EST From: "Kelly A. McAllister" To: email_address_removed Subject: tradewinds show Message-ID: Is anyone out there in jam-land going to the tradewinds show in seabright,nj? I was just curious if aything was going on before the show...i hope to meet some of the jammers from the Toad's Place show again in Jersey. See you there, kelly "Being laughed at and confused keeps us pleasantly amused enough to stay" ---Voices ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:38:04 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: Victor Wooten Message-ID: Just a reminder for anyone in the area that might be interested. Victor Wooten and Steve Bailey are doing a thing at McMurray Music in St. Louis this Wednesday. I forget times and such, but it's sometime around 6 or 7. Also, it is not free. I can't remember the costs, but there is a ticket charge. Dale R. Newberry "Do not give me any of that Zen and some art of motorcycle maintenance stuff. Just ride your bike." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:39:53 -0500 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 Message-ID: > As far as a waste of disc space? I don't think so. It would be a >new version of the song, and chances are, whatever album Metropolis 2 >ends up on will be an EP, not a full new album. I don't think >they'll fill the disc with 78 minutes of music. I disagree with the >"waste of space" thing only because we know we'll get all the music >eventually, on b-sides or a new album... so I'd love to hear >Metropolis 1 redone to showcase Derek and to fit in line with >Metropolis 2. Would you rather they redid the whole I&W album with Derek instead of releasing new material? How about re-doing WDADU with James and Derek, and not release any new material in 1999 either. Then in 2001, they can finally re-record the Majesty demos and "Don't Look Past Me." In 2003, they'll finally release Raising the Knife, Where Are You Now, and the other FII era songs, that didn't make the album. I can't understand how you can justify using 10 minutes of disc space on a rehashed version of an old song, when there is another 90 minutes of material that hasn't been released yet. Sure, Met 2 might be an EP, but I think it's a necessity to record and release the material that didn't make FII, even if the EP has to be 60 minutes long. To think that Shirley wanted to release only 60 minutes of material on FII makes me sick, when knowing that there is already a ton of material being overlooked. Thank god MikeP pushed for the longer album. When paying $16 for an album, I feel I'm getting more for my money with a 78 min. CD of all new material, than a 60 min. CD with re-hashed songs. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:45:04 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Blah: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 Message-ID: > About those Metallica posts... why is it that everybody feels like they have > to ask people not to post about it, yet they give their two cents on what > Metallica is doing anyways? Geez. Heh heh, 'cuz we're all Metallica experts who's opinions shouldn't be FUCKED with. :) > All I have to say about Metallica is, DT rules. > Rush rocks too. Um...don't you mean, "Bush rocks too?" >;) > Geez, I've been listening a lot to Counterparts lately. I > want to cover Animate. This song just rocks so much it's not even fair. I > put on Test for Echo, which is a good CD, but it's nothing compared to > Counterparts. I second this. Counterparts kicks ass...too bad I haven't a copy to listen to :) > ~Killer of Mary and the Holy Ghost. ~Eckie ponders how you kill a ghost (Oh wait, they did it in Ghostbusters, didn't they?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:52:30 -0800 (PST) From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) To: email_address_removed Subject: DTIFC Message-ID: Imagine my surprise when after hearing everyone complaining about how they never get their fan club stuff, mine arrived only a week after I sent payment (of course I used cash). Anyway, if some of you are interested in seeing the picture included, go to: www.algonet.se/~imajica/dt.htm ..that was a Cuckoo's way of thinking, always making divisions: the viewer from the viewed; the peach from the taste it left on the tongue. - Clive Barker "Weaveworld" Ha det! Niklas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:53:08 -0500 From: "Lauren Glenn" To: Subject: Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 Message-ID: <01bcf381$a9e7c200$message_id_removed> >> >I was just thinking today, and I think it'd be really cool if, on the >> >Metropolis Part 2 release, that DT would re-record Metropolis Pt. 1 and put >> >it on the disc, then you could kind of flow from the first to the second. >> >Not to mention it would get rid of that snare. =) What does everybody >> >think about this one? >> > My take: I think it would be awesome to put Met 1 and 2 on the same >disc, if and only if: A). They sound like they're related (lyrically >or melodically or both) and B). the album Metropolis 2 is on is not a >full album on which some songs would have to be cut for Metropolis 1 >to show up. I think that it would be better to not put it on the CD. If someone who's new to DT buys the CD and sees "Part 2", they might go and look for Part 1 and buy that (I&W) CD. This way they'll get to hear other DT songs that they probably wouldn't have heard if they were both on the same CD. Lauren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:56:23 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Desobe To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hollow years cd Message-ID: Two quick questions. Is the availability of this single going to be similar to the Lie and Silent Man single? I still see both fairly reguarly (TSM more than Lie of course) and would rather buy it in a store then order it. Second, what happend to Where Are You Know as it seems it has been replaced by the Way it Used to Be? Any ideas? Let me know. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:33:36 -0500 From: "Avo!" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3246 Message-ID: Please take me off the list. Avo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:51:19 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Hollow years cd Message-ID: Is HY the first CD single to come out? I mean, I know that BMS was the first radio single, but was it an official CD single. I haven't seen any of them out yet........... -Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning. ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: email_address_removed email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:38:03 +1100 From: bj reurich To: email_address_removed Subject: Voivod! Message-ID: >>New cds in the mail today: Voivod - Phobos Oh. oh oh! A review please! *g* Y'know - I've always wondered why I don't hear more about these guys on the jam. *still wondering* later -zajk. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:09:44 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hollow years cd Message-ID: Eric Desobe wrote: > Two quick questions. Is the availability of this single going to be > similar to the Lie and Silent Man single? I still see both fairly > reguarly (TSM more than Lie of course) and would rather buy it in a store > then order it. You see the "Lie" single regularly? Are you sure? I mean, there are a TON of jammers on this list (is that redundant) who are desperately searching for this single yet cannot find it. And I count myself lucky to have obtained mine when I did. G'day, Rick Audet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:25:02 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 Message-ID: > Would you rather they redid the whole I&W album with Derek instead of > releasing new material? How about re-doing WDADU with James and Derek, and > not release any new material in 1999 either. Then in 2001, they can > finally re-record the Majesty demos and "Don't Look Past Me." In 2003, > they'll finally release Raising the Knife, Where Are You Now, and the other > FII era songs, that didn't make the album. I can't understand how you can > justify using 10 minutes of disc space on a rehashed version of an old > song, when there is another 90 minutes of material that hasn't been > released yet. First off, my good man, relax. It is my opinion, and I merely expressed myself. Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean you have to freak out. Now, Metropolis 2 is the sequel to Metropolis 1, right? Right. Not the next album, as Awake was to Images and Words, but the sequel to the song. Since the band has changed dramtically over the years, and since they themselves have expressed some distaste for the triggered snare sound a while back, it seems like a novel idea to re-record the song to capture the new sound of Dream Theater. As I said before, Eric, I put strict qualifications on how I thought it would make sense to do this. Go back and read my post. See the "If and only if" part? I don't believe that the cd which contains Metropolis 2 will be a full album. They've mentioned doing it as an EP. I also mentioned in my post that we know we're not going to miss any of the music. It will all be released. But I don't think you read that... I think you just saw "He disagrees with me!!!" Now stop and realize, I want all of the new material as badly as you do. I merely don't believe that the recording process is so finite. They could record Metropolis 1 in one take by now. Just because they would have an extra song on a cd, doesn't mean you'll never hear the rest of the stuff. You need to relax and realize that what we say has no impact on what happens... it's merely the expression of our ideas on what we think would be cool. You'll get your other 90 minutes of music, dude. The fact that they have so much already written just means that you'll probably get it all that much sooner. Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:26:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DT FOR SALE!! Message-ID: Due to financial circumstances beyond my control, I must part with the following CDs: DT- 1986 Demo DT- Instrumental I DT- Instrumental II Please send all bids PRIVATELY to email_address_removed. Thank you. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:52:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3246 Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > Along those lines, does anyone know how FII is doing compared to I&W? I'm > just curious if all the extras (Storm, Shirley, Desmond) have paid off, or > if I&W will remain their most successful album. I'd personally love to see > I&W remain the victor, which would prove that leaving the band alone to do > their thing, their way is the best method - but I also don't want to chance > them being dropped due to not enough sales. Even as much as people bitch > about East/West, I think they'd be much worse off on another label. According to the most recent SoundScan that I have (as of 11/12/97) FII does not appear ANYWHERE on any of the charts, which I find really odd because I would have thought that at least it would have shown up in HARD MUSIC chart. Hell, Van Halen I is still there. So it would seem that FII is selling less 2,000 copies a week. This is not good. But Hollow Years has yet to be officially released and all that can change pretty quickly. Stranger things have happened. Also, as I've suggested before, maybe now (or at least at the end of this leg of the tour) would be a good time to get an opening slot with a more popular band. Don't know who would be compatible thought (depends who's on the road now). Maybe Megadeth. Anyway, that's all for now. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:03:37 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Front row is the only place to be! Message-ID: On the Eve of Destruction, Jon Kretschmer said: > >But front row is the place to be for goodies like picks, drumsticks, and >setlists, that IMHO make the show a HELL of a lot more fun and memorable. >Cuz, purely hypothetically, if you have two picks and a drumstick and two >setlists included with your tickets and occasional promo poster showcased >on your mantle, arent you more likely to say "That night kicked ass?" : ) I used to be a front row kinda person, but really, the front row kinda sucks. The sounds isn't as developed at all, you can't hear the mix right. Plus, when you're recording, it's the worse place to be... ;) -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: email_address_removed #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:11:43 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Metropolis - Part 1 and 2 Message-ID: All this talk about DT re-releasing material just put another thought in my head.... ..what if they put out a Garage Days Revisited CD? Heh heh, just a thought. :) Or would they have to lose John Myung to a freak accident in order to do that? ~Eckie heard Devil's Dance on KUPD today! And Sevendust right afterwards...whoa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:13:30 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Symphony X and Angra... Message-ID: Chris "I would never, ever defend Metallica" Ptacek quoth and wrote... >> Any opinions about Symphony X and their guitarist Michael Romeo? > > My opinion: This is KILLEr band. Romeo is the cutting edge >guitarist... the music is heavy prog metal. I'm told the singer >sounds a lot like Dio, but I don't hear it. Actually, Russell Allen sound to me like the bastard child of Dio and Joe Lynn Turner. I'm actually amazed that the vocals on this disc don't get mentioned more - I think the vocal arrangements and execution is even more spectacular than Romeo's guitar work - and let me tell ya, that's pretty damn amazing, 'cause he's one bad MF. > Their best album is The Divine Wings of Tragedy. Huge variety of >styles, a TON of aggression, and a 20+ minute epic song! The lyrics >are good, the vocals are in key and great (Which is what killed their >first album) the bass is NOT played with a pick, the drummer would >give Portnoy a run for his money (I haven't heard SX live, so I can't >say who I think is better... but then, no one has seen Symphony X >live to my knowledge.). They have a great keyboardist who doubles >leads at times, and adds his own a la Jens Johanssen or Kevin Moore. >Very classically oriented. True, but with much more aggression than your usual classically - styled stuff. They were originally supposed to play at the Powermad 97 festival in Baltimore, but I don't think they are now. Rather disappointing... > Michael Romeo is a monster though... he's got an unbelieveable >command of tapping, legato and alternate picking. The band's first >two albums leave just a little to be desired in this field, because >the solos were a little bit like Yngwie on crack.... but on TDWoT, >it's painful. Some friends and I have tabbed out some of the solos >on the album... and the pain has not yet gone away! Chris, of course - he's a bit guitar - centric, does not mention the best part of the CD - the quality of the songs. The compositions improved markedly from the mediocre first release to "The Damnation Game", and have jumped tremendously with "The Divine Wings..". If their next one is as improved, they may knock Angra off as my favorite band... > > Check Symphony X out! And while you're at it, get Holy Land, by >Angra! Well, speak of the devil... :) Chris and I are agree on two things in the same post - anybody's feet getting cold yet? :) Seriously, "Holy Land" is as good as it gets. If you want to talk about monster players, this band is full of them. You know how they say great athletes make the difficult look effortless? Angra takes incredible, complex music and makes it SOUND effortless. No one should be able to do guitar harmonies like that. It's not fair. :) Buy either, or better, both. You can't go wrong... Mike > > ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3247 **************************