YTSEJAM Digest 3235 Today's Topics: 1) Re: ndtc by "Matt Pastor" 2) Acronyms by "Trevor W. Hoit" 3) No changes there then... by "David Ware" 4) show by email_address_removed 5) THOUGHTS 1997 by Michael Bahr 6) New I Mother Earth News. by "Syrinx" 7) re:Strings by Kyrre Trohjell 8) I'm baaaaaack! by Chris Oates 9) VR by email_address_removed (Pat Sullivan) 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3230 by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marroqu=EDn_Arellano?=" 11) Nightmare Cinema by Markus Tenberge 12) DC show by Pat Daugherty 13) The Fire has been DT-Flowered! SPOILER by Carol Dellinger 14) Re: Mtv Latino and the Headbangers hour by Rogerio Brito 15) Re: Fates final tour dates by Sheri WIlliams ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:57:11 -0500 From: "Matt Pastor" To: Subject: Re: ndtc Message-ID: > > I know that the computer is supposed to factor in the correct amount of space > after a period, rendering an additional space unneseccary. But, if you > look over a jam and take note of how many people type two spaces and how > many don't, you'll see that people use two spaces. It's become a standard. > > I can't believe this an issue on this format. Please drop it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:25:41 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'DT'" Subject: Acronyms Message-ID: It must be interesting reading the VH list when they talk about For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 08:33:14 -0800 From: "David Ware" To: Subject: No changes there then... Message-ID: Hi, My company's Email system is shite so I haven't been getting Jams for a while - then this morning I get about 30 (backed up from all week). It's good to see that people are not only using TLA's (three letter acronyms) to excess but now they're having huge threads about how to pronounce them. Having said that - I must fuel the fire... I say "Eff-eye-eye" yes even to other people, and I also say "Why-tee-ess-ee Jam", and I have now found my self saying "That Rocks" (thanks to all you State-siders) and "IMHO" (actually said that to my wife and she just stared at me). God, I'm sad... Dave (a UK Jammer - waiting for the 9th of December). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:13:30 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: show Message-ID: hi there! Caught the show in LA yesterday, and all I can say is WOW!! you guys just Gotta come to Vegas! you could pack the Joint (inside the Hard Rock Hotel) in a heart beat! Laters! Andy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:30:13 -0700 From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: THOUGHTS 1997 Message-ID: Hi all. This year's issue of THOUGHTS will be a little shorter than most, because it's just been that kind of year, and I think a lot of things I might have said have already been said here on the Jam, and much better than I would have said them, by such posters as Chris Merlo, Syrinx, Rogerio Brito, Vince Lupone, Pat Daugherty, and the rest of you post-maniacs (you know who you are!) :) Last year I went into an exploration of why the Jam has become a close-knit community instead of just a mailing list. My main theme for this year's post is one of exasperation, tempered with hope for the future. It seems like everything about 1997 is either an defeat with a silver lining or a hollow victory. Finally, I think the central message of Thoughts '97 is to always be honest with yourself and in your own hearts and minds. We began this year with basically nothing to look forward to. Dream Theater (Our Favourite Band, or OFB, for this article) was not in the studio, wasn't going to _be_ in the studio, and had no idea what the hell they were going to do next. Our lone ray of hope was that we heard six new songs. Back at the beginning of this year, much like OFB, I was trying new things. I tried a multilevel marketing company called Equinox for a career, putting CD-making as a part-time pursuit while I went after it (with Melissa helping me out back in CD-land), and I learned many things. 1. Multilevel marketing itself isn't patently bad. 2. Public perception is extremely against it. 3. Most companies do it totally wrong. 4. With persistence and enough spark money to get it working, and the natural talent to persuade and market, it DOES work. 5. I don't have that talent and I never figured out what the hell I was doing. 6. I realized I was far, far happier making CDs. See, I had planned to phase out CD production (finishing all print runs and then quitting) in favour of marketing, and the more I tried to do this, the more I seemed to love making CDs! The more I loved taking assorted tapes of miscellany and culling them into a single CD release. The more I loved taking a performance tape and tweaking those settings *just right* to get it to sound good for a future CD. I realized that I really enjoy hearing from like 900 of you on a monthly basis (or even more frequently) regardless of how long it takes to read and answer it all. I of all people do not deserve to be blessed with so many friends, and I realized I would be throwing it all away to chase a shooting star. So my decision was final around August... I am in this for the long haul. Whether it's CDs, DVDs, videos, archival work, or whatever... I will be here for a good long while doing what I do best. And I realized that Dream Theater's struggle mirrors this so incredibly well. Much like Rush, OFB's appeal is magnified by their live performance, and they did NOT want to write a CD full of the "same old stuff". They didn't quite know what they wanted the new album to sound like, so they just took a shot at it. However in the case of DT, I feel they succeeded in their attempt to advance their music. I am a firm believer that FII is the best DT album by leaps and bounds over the previous champion, Awake. (yes, Awake.) This is JUST MY OPINION and yours is welcome to differ. In defense of my assertion I believe that the songs on FII age incredibly well (ironically, exception being You Not Me) and the CD hasn't left my truck since the day of release. What they wrote was in many ways a reflection of their own feelings put directly to pen, paper, and tape (Burning My Soul, JLMB, TAMP especially, Anna Lee, TOT, hell where do I stop?) rather than an abstract but brilliant painting of audio. I look at Images & Words a lot like an epic film or a great painting... a fantastic piece of art. Awake I find to be a lot like a dream or a fantasy, an intense experience in what seems to be a subconscious train of thought or expression. Falling into Infinity, however, is a window directly into DT's lives, and by reflection, into our own. So I guess the first lesson here is "This, above all else, to thine own self be true." (Shakespeare... was it Macbeth or Hamlet?). I had another experience this year that expanded on this. In recent months, I found my sleeping difficulties and stress level disturbing to say the least, and my in-laws talked me into seeing a shrink. (Yep, I'm nuts, didn't you hear? heh. But seriously...) It turns out that I suffer from, and always have suffered from, severe Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD)... and I never had realized it. This makes it difficult for me to keep a routine, to focus on things... and the flipside is that once I am "hyperfocused" on something (such as my work) I may very well keep doing it until I drop from where I stand due to fatigue. This focus abnormality also affects my sleeping pattern. See, you learn something new every day! Now that I actually understand the reason behind the stress and the sleepless nights, it's been a lot easier to deal with, and I'm a lot more productive too. So any of you who find these symptoms familiar might want to look into this. In fact, I'm hyperfocusing right now, writing this long article while CDs burn happily behind me (Precious Things at the moment). Unfortunately, DT skipped Arizona entirely. And now 98 KUPD has put Burning My Soul into heavier rotation. It figures. As many of you know, most of the year 1997 was a dismal one for me. Not only did FII not come out until September (grin), but my vehicles both broke down, my CD burner blew up, there were four deaths in the family (but none in the immediate, thank the Lord), Melissa got fired from her job, and oh yeah, there was a CDR shortage. Things are looking a lot better now, it's as though a shadow has been lifted. Fixed the truck, replaced the car today, trading in the old Saturn for a Plymouth Neon (because they're cheap as hell and I couldn't afford a down payment on anything bigger), replaced the CDR burner and bought a second computer with the money I saved through the month of September to make CDs with, Melissa got a new job, and none of the dead people came back to life, but the sting has become less sharp with the fading months. And all this good stuff started happening when I quit wasting time on the things that weren't important, such as Equinox, Magic: The Gathering (I no longer own a single card), needless travel, etc. and got back in regular contact with my family and worked together with them to solve the problems. What does all this "me me me" stuff matter? Because I can't be the only one who has hit some rocks in the road lately. It is fair to say that a lot of us are up against the same bullshit obstacles day to day. I am just hoping that you are all able to keep that positive outlook despite the ominous appearance of things to come. I'm sorry if the post seemed ego-centric as that was not the intent. And most of all, never ever quit doing what truly fulfills you. Take care!! -- -Mike Bahr/Prism Records -durnik @ goodnet . com -http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:18:06 -0500 From: "Syrinx" To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" Subject: New I Mother Earth News. Message-ID: <01bcf02e$3283edc0$ef671a26@w-ostrich-1> Check this out... >-- SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT -- > >Okay Kids! This is it! The news you've all been waiting patiently >for! That's right, we've found our new singer. > >Sorry we can't tell you any specific details at the moment but he's >definitely the right guy. After sifting through literally hundreds of >audition tapes, CD's and videos from prospective replacements, we finally >found who we were looking for. > >Rest assured he has all the talent, voice and charisma we could >have hoped for and more. > >We have been writing intensely together for the past few months and >are starting to demo some of the new material. > >We hope you understand that we can't tell you much more at the >moment but we wanted to let you know this much as soon as we could. We'll let >you know more when we can. > >- I Mother Earth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania! = http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx offical lemur voice hompages: http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm maintainer of the genesis frequently asked questions list: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/genesis/genesis-faq.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:51:10 GMT+1 From: Kyrre Trohjell To: email_address_removed Subject: re:Strings Message-ID: > > Most of the folks who use nines probably do so b/c it really > allows for better bending Yeah, I bend like there's no tomorrow. I break strings all the time, depending of cours what kind of stuff I'm working on. I've considered .010's. I guess it's only a matter of time before I get used to them anyway, and can bend them just as far as the .009. I dunno... > >Many years ago, I tried a set of 008's. > But then, what is more important, did you really like the sound??? I really can't say. I had a really shitty guitar sound back then. I guess everything sounded crap, so it didn't matter. :-) > >However, a high A could be used for straight tapping stuff. I > > Ok... this answers my above question plausibly... Yeah, a high A string would possibly enable very high notes without sounding too shrill. It would be a far better solution than the 36- fret guitar, I guess. > >BTW, has anybody tried out the Washburn 36-fret-guitar?, and, does > > Oops... I didn't even know that it existed so far... Oh, yes. It was issued years ago. I saw one in a shop once, but I was in a rush. > > >anybody out there recommend scalloped fretboards?> My approach is generally a lot of hammer-ons and pull-offs, bending and other kinds of legato stuff. The benefit from scalloped fretboards was less friction, since your finngers would only touch the strings, not the wood beneath. Opinions? Later. Kyrre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:09:50 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: I'm baaaaaack! Message-ID: Hey all, I just re-subbed after being MIA for a few. Hi all I met (or re-met) at the show tonight! We'll see how long I can be an actuve member before life swamps my ability to keep up with the jam. Not too much news in my arena, tho I did pick up the JP-8000, and I love it to death. Cool board. Talk at youse all later when I get some content to reply to. __ /\ __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:55:12 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Pat Sullivan) To: email_address_removed Subject: VR Message-ID: >NP: Vicious Rumors - S/T. "Clutch the beating heart." :) Good to see more VR fans around. And on that note - I was searching for VR CD's on the web (actually looking for the live Carl Albert tribute album), and I found someone selling a Holland import version of CyberChrist - the new album that isn't supposed to be released until next year. What gives? ----- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: remove "X"'s to reply IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html NP: Dream Theater - "Falling Into Infinity" ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:57:52 -0600 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marroqu=EDn_Arellano?=" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3230 Message-ID: <01bceff0$b38a3520$message_id_removed> >Are there any other jammers out there who live in countries facing problems >similar to Cuba's? Just curious. > >Tom Baddley > I live in Guatemala, Central America. This country was headed the way Cuba is now. But fortunately everything's been fixed now. (Peace treaty was signed last December) I first discovered DT from a friend. He gave me a tape with about 3 songs from IAW. The rest was from a spanish group called "Heroes del Silencio". I was so impressed from DT. As soon as I found out more about this band, I ordered IAW & Awake to "CD Connection". They shipped them to Miami, FL. to a special freight forwarding company that ships it to Guatemala. And I enjoyed these CD's thanks to the benefits of the free market!! For ACOS, I was so excited when I found it on one of the famous CD stores here (Insomnia). Altough there was only one copy left afterwards. For FII, There were dozens of copies in "El Duende" in the first days of Oct. Maybe they know how good this album is going to sale. Right now, I only know of about 6 other Ytsejammers in this country. Juan Pablo Marroquin email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:03:58 -0100 From: Markus Tenberge To: email_address_removed Subject: Nightmare Cinema Message-ID: Hi folks! >Mike came out on stage in the middle of the encore (Metropolis) after the >band had stopped playing and introduced something that had only been done >once before--NIGHTMARE CINEMA ! The guys switched instruments and covered >Deep Purple's "Perfect Strangers!" Sorry for those who are disappointed now but DT did "Nightmare Cinema" already in April 1997 (Bonn, Germany). I don't want to make you jealous or start a competition like "Who has seen NC first ..." but encourage all the others that there'll probably be a good chance to see it in one of the other shows as well. It's really FUNNY! Take care all ... :-) Markus P.S.: To the swiss (?) jammer who was looking for some help to get tickets for the concert in Bonn please mail me privately (I've deleted by accident the digest and your adress ...) ... _____ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:12:00 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: DC show Message-ID: I got my Dream TheaTRE tickets yesterday. You would think ticketbastard would know how to spell the band's name by now. |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | Washington Redskins 6-4 | | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:10:43 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger To: "email_address_removed" Subject: The Fire has been DT-Flowered! SPOILER Message-ID: WOW.....There is nothing quite like the feeling of your first time! And what a first time it was! Well I have been DT-virginized and what a way to go! My second post today will give props to all the Ytsejammers I met last night! And There were lots. Okay so her we go.....vertigo! Whilst waiting in line outside the Edge we here the boys inside warming up to LiTS! I started to get warm feelings all over on that one! Well I got Mr. Portnoy's autograph and a picture (Thanks Jon Kretachmer!). A good sign of things to come! Now on to the show. I am not going to disect the set list...that's for you hardcore jammers. I was right up against the rail in front of John and James. I thought I had died and gone to heaven! Opening with Lines in The Sand my DT-cherry was gone once and for all! John Myung is a mighty mighty man on that bass to say nothing of Derek on Keys! ANywhile I cought the eye of Mr. Portnoy again and he proceed to throw me a stick TWICE! Needless to say they weren't caught, but Mike pointed to me and indicated I would get one later! I DID! After the show he came down on the stage, looked for me and handed me one personally! THANKS MIKE!!!!!! Same thing with John P. I got him to crack a smile a couple of times and he threw me a pick....that darn Jon Kretschmer caught it, but again I got mine after the show! To hear PMU and Scarred live was a life long dream and damn when they played VOICES...well as you channel Jammers know I had mutliple EARGASMS! Whew! Recovery mode on! Okay so the show is over and I'm meeting more Jammers when who do I spy? Derek....so autograph number 2 and a photograph with him. Thanks Spine! Now once they kicked us out and we were standing in the drizzle...Number 3 James Labrie! Another autograph and a picture! Did I have luck or what? And finally after patience.....John P. autograph and picture! Also got another picture with Mike Portnoy! WOW He's an amazing drummer and person......he feeds off the crowd..the more energy we gave him the wilder he went, the wilder he got the more energy we gave him! Any way passed a message to him AND he asked my my channel nick so...if your reading Mike THANKS FOR THE STICK! ANyway I'm exhasuted, my feet hurt and I have NO voice, but I am happy! Hell of a night and I'll post more laterto all the jammers I met! Sleep I must have sleep! -- Hearts away....... Coldfire email_address_removed ICQ: 4656934 "And all this could be just a dream so it seems, I was never much good at good-bye." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:25:19 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Mtv Latino and the Headbangers hour Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Jeremy C. Hallum wrote: > So I was doing some serious channel flipping at 1:30 am last > Friday morning, and I was lucky enough to stumble upon MTV > Latino's version of the Headbangers Ball. My question to our Latino > jammers out there is: do they play much prog metal stuff on there? I > caught some Faith No More, and Bruce Dickinson's video off of Accident > of Birth. Is the Thursday Night-Friday morning timeslot the only time > they play the Headbanger's show, or is there other times? Thanks for the > help! Don't know if other 'jammers have replied to this, since I was offline since Monday (well, my hard disk was broken and I needed to study...), but yes, they always play a lot of prog metal. It was also the first place where I saw a Black Metal video (Emperor, FYI). Quite varied. It is really a pitty that those bastards at our cable operator got rid of this channel. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:25:59 -0700 From: Sheri WIlliams To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Fates final tour dates Message-ID: Subject: Fates Warning tour dates 11/29 Whiskey A Go Go W. Hollywood,CA. 11/30 Club Kaos Freemont, CA. 12/02 Ichabods Salt Lake City, Utah 12/03 Pure Energy Colorado Springs, CO. 12/04 Hurricanes Kansas City, 12/05 Jackhammer's Schaumberg ,IL. 12/06 Annie's Cincinnati,OH. 12/07 JD's Macomb Theater Mt. Clemens, MI. 12/09 Coney Island High New York,NY. 12/10 Club Bene Morgan Town, NJ. 12/11 The Alternate Route Weymouth,MA. 12/12 Daytonas Riviera Beach, MD. 12/13 Jaxx Night Club W. Sprinfield ,VA. 12/14 Outer Edge Marietta, GA. 12/16 Bricktown Live Oklahoma City, OK. 12/17 Cain's Ballroom Tulsa,OK. 12/18 The Abyss Houston, TX. 12/19 Galaxy Club Dallas,TX. 12/20 Launchpad Albuquerque,NM. 12/21 The Mason Jar Phoenix,AZ. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3235 **************************