YTSEJAM Digest 3234 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Thin Strings by email_address_removed 2) DT acronyms by "woot" 3) Those stinkin' monks / Images & Words by "Brian Anderson" 4) Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Two responses by "Christopher R. Merlo" 5) TOWHTSTS/FII by email_address_removed 6) Jimmy Flame's Tackle & Bait Shop by Lobsterback 7) KM at the LA show??? by Jon Dery 8) The Pacific Northwest Dream Theater Weekend (tm) by Jim Beavens 9) Re: TOWHTSTS by The Phoenix 10) Kevin at the show by Eric Desobe 11) Re: yet another misheard lyric by email_address_removed 12) Vito Vi Bratto by email_address_removed 13) space by ChipAlexander 14) Re: Berkley Demo CD, Anyone? by Michael Burstin 15) Re: Vito Vi Bratto by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3221 (fwd) by Dan 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3221 (fwd) by Dan 18) Syrinx by Seth Hatlelid ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:45:46 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Thin Strings Message-ID: > However, a high A could be used for straight tapping stuff. I > believe Jennifer Batten has one guitar set up with 008.'s and a > scalloped fretboard, used for tapping only. A scalloped fretboard makes it a little easier to do legato/tapping... I believe this is why the top 4 frets on the Jem guitars are scalloped. If you have a guitar with 24 frets, and you tap the 24th fret, you'll notice likely that the tone is not as clear and does not sustain as well as a note tapped on say, the 15th fret. Scalloped frets are a nightmare for playing chords on, which again, I think is why ONLY the top 4 frets of the Jems are set up so. It's easy to accidentally bend notes out of intonation with your fretboard scalloped. At one time I was going to have this done, and then the luthier (who has done work for George Lynch, Yngwie, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley) stabbed me in the left ear with a screwdriver and explained to me that there is pretty much no benefit to a scalloped fretboard (into my right ear of course). It was a difficult and painful lesson. > BTW, has anybody tried out the Wahburn 36-fret-guitar?, and, does > anybody out there recommend scalloped fretboards? Tried it. :) Rarely do I ever need anything above 24 frets... though even just today I was wishing I could get one octave higher so I wouldn't have to transpose the Paganini theme I was working on. :) Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:56:59 -0700 From: "woot" To: Subject: DT acronyms Message-ID: <01bcefcf$0ca2dd00$1c2746cf@sir> >-- Jim (who sometimes has to chuckle at these acronyms. Is there anyone > else who gets tired of thinking of the new album as 'fee'? ;) LOL! I think it rules. I personally say figh (as in high). anyone think = of it as foe or fum? sorry that was really bad. Me and my bro always refer = to acronyms. Whenever Acos comes up it isn't "A Change of Seasons" is "Acki= s" same with Wadadoo, Lits, EWWWWW (I&W) etc... you get the point hehe. Ok if there's anyone out there that plays Ultima Online on the baja serve= r, me and Chuck (formerly known as IbnzRG570 and Korgx3, now known as Washbu= rn or burny ;) are starting a guild and we need members. Does anyone remember how long it took after the release of Awake for the = tab book to come out? I'm really itchin to get it, especially after learning= to play PS. The WB site doesn't have any info about it that I could see. It rolls down stairs It comes not in pairs Runs over your neighbor's foot. It's great for a snack And fits on your back It's woot! woot! woot! woot=99 from Blammo!=AE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:09:37 +0000 From: "Brian Anderson" To: email_address_removed Subject: Those stinkin' monks / Images & Words Message-ID: Hello, Have we figured out who the Del Fuvio Monks are yet? I do believe somone should ask one of the band members if they haven't allready. Also, I saw some of the DT tribute band Images & Words last saturday night. I must say I was mightily impressed. I only stayed around for the first set, but I was impressed with what I heard. They played ACOS (with mercy fuck lyrics), Under a Glass Moon, TAMP, Scarred (with the "balls and chunk" sample thrown in the middle), To Live Forever, Pull me Under, and whatever else they played in the second set. If they had James on vocals, and DT's equipment they would sound almost exactly like DT themselves. Much talent in the band. They'll be coming out with original material pretty soon (I believe they played an original in the second set, but I wasn't there soo . . .) They have a website, so check 'em out at http://www.webcom.com/rdellapi/iw/ Oh yeah, every time I hear the line "A lonely light below me", in New Millennium, I can't help but think of Chris Farley in Tommy Boy talking into the fan in his office. If you've seen the movie, you might know what I'm talking about. -Brian Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:02:06 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Two responses Message-ID: > Anyone (D-Man ?) got any 'inside' information on what the Fan Club CD's > contenets will be ? I didn't know last year till I got mine in the mail, and I doubt much will change this year. No, the people to pester are the band and Neil. Not that I'm implying you should, of course. (But if you find out, let me know. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:39:19 +0100 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: TOWHTSTS/FII Message-ID: >Jim Beavens posted >This, of course, is a very obscure Dream Theater song about the >legendary leader of the Mayans, who worshipped their gods in elaborate >ceremonies in which people were sacrificed. Recently it has been >discovered that most of the people sacrificed were poser musicians who >could play nothing more than 3-chord songs, which greatly offended the >Mayans and their gods. While the disappearance of the Mayans remains a >mystery in official scientific circles, it has been speculated that >after their society as a whole discovered and embraced the concept of >progressive music, they were lifted off the face of the earth to exist >in a higher plane of existence. *ROTFLOL* No further comments on that one... As for FII, I too think of it as "ef-too". But if WDADU is wah-dah-doo, we have to be careful, for I&W might become "eewww"! I don't think it would be a good idea... For SDV, I'll check out the tape with my bf when I see him on Monday, and tell you about it, if it's KM's sample or the other one already mentioned. But I am sure he didn't consciously lied to me. Maybe one of his friends gave him the tape saying it was from Hampton Beach, while it was something else. I dunno. Haven't heard it yet. Steph =:) P.-S. Still can't use Hotmail to post... AAAARRRRGH! Is that normal? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:35:38 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Jimmy Flame's Tackle & Bait Shop Message-ID: Found this on the Elephant Talk (King Crimson mailing list) homepage, in a review of the boxed set "Frame By Frame", and I thought some of you folks might find it *interesting*... >"The fourth CD, a live collection of songs from all 3 incarnations >of the band, is worth the price of the set alone. The CD accurately >represents King Crimson in all of its raging splendor. On 'Mars', some >huge sonic beast steps forward and crushes all of these so-called heavy >metal bands of modern days. The music is unbelievably heavy and aggressive. >To the unconvinced reader: Give this music a try and you will see 'Heavy >Metal' for the silliness that it is." But...you didn't hear nuthin' from me, mac. Nyeah, schee? Brian "Baltimore-Footstomper" Henderson "The all-knowing father shaketh his glorious locks." -- Prof. Boyd =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:51:47 -0500 From: Jon Dery To: email_address_removed Subject: KM at the LA show??? Message-ID: Doc wrote: > I got to talk to the man himself, Kevin Moore. :) Is this true?! Kev was at the LA show? That really surprises me. Did you ask him what he thought of FII and/or Derek? What the dillio? (Howard Stern lingo) -Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:04:25 -0800 From: Jim Beavens To: email_address_removed Subject: The Pacific Northwest Dream Theater Weekend (tm) Message-ID: Okay, Pacific Northwest 'jammers, LISTEN UP!!! =) Some of us are meeting before the Dream Theater concert at the Roseland this Friday, so if anybody else from Portland is going, email me and I can forward you the details. We're going to do a bit of meet-n-greet before the show, and probably hang out at McMenamin's Pub afterward. Also, me and Zach Gemmill are driving up to Seattle for the show the following Saturday, so if anybody wants to tag along on our road trip, let me know. And if anyone from Seattle is getting together before or after the show, please fill me in. This is gonna be an incredible weekend... Jim -- Jim Beavens | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:12:46 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: TOWHTSTS Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Shai Yallin wrote: > Christopher R. Merlo wrote: > > I never thought of it as "fee," but I still call it "eff-eye-eye." > > Even out loud. :) > > Me too. Does anybody else pronounce WDADU as "WA-DA-DOO"? ;-) Same here. And then there's I and W (sounds like root beer) and A-coss. All the song titles I only pronounce when I am reading the jam, but it's only the album titles where I pronounce the acronyms in daily life :-) ~Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:34:23 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Desobe To: email_address_removed Subject: Kevin at the show Message-ID: So Kevin was at the show last night, what else did he say? Anything of interest? Let me know. Take the time. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:58:25 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: yet another misheard lyric Message-ID: > > hey, got another one for yall... > my boyfriend hears > "she can turn a troubled water into an ocean" > instead of > "She can turn a drop of water into an ocean" > funny thing is, he only found this out tonight :} poor thing, i think hes > feelin a little silly now... Actually, I thought that too for a long time! I know a lot of people that thought it was "Troubled Water". A friend of mine always thought that on APSoG the line that says "Crucified in Rome" was "Crucify and Burn". The worst case I've heard though (not as far as the misheard lyrics, but more at the shock and disappointment that the party in error felt upon correction) was my buddy Brad who thought that Helloween's Future World was a "Land that's filled with blood" instead of "land that's filled with love". He "can't stand that pussy music anymore" now... :) I still like the one Eck stole from me, from Megadeth's Five Magics. :) - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:58:25 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Vito Vi Bratto Message-ID: > >> If you take one pitch and just try to hold it without any vibrato on > >> any instrument it's going to sound crappy. I learned that in middle school > >> band when I was twelve. > > > > Especially bass, Piano, acoustic guitar, etc... > > Ok, I should have clarified... there are certain exceptions. Come now... don't cop out. :) (Please note HUMOR, not seething evil death juice, people) > Notice > that all of the instruments you mentioned have relatively rapid decay times; > after the initial attack on these intsruments you don't have alot of control > over the note, unlike any wind instrument or VOICE, where you must supply a > constant air flow... violin is this way too, although it's not air in this > case. I have to argue this. That's just not correct. I have played on basses that sustain for longer than I can hold a note vocally. AND there are lots of bassists who utilize vibrato (but don't use it as a crutch). Acoustic guitar, well, that's my realm. I can make you a .wav to show you you're wrong there. Piano has already been discussed. Violin? How many string ensembles have you heard in which all of the violinists are all shaking that vibrato? That's not to say that you never hear it, but more often than not, there is little vibrato being used in a larger group of violinists. It's not a necessary tool... vibrato is an embellishment used mainly for solo instruments and voice. That's why classically trained choral groups don't use much vibrato (or when they do, they all stick heavily to the same vibrato value ... quarter note, eighth note, etc). When there's a solo part, it often fits well. Otherwise, it's usually less pronounced, if present at all. > As someone said before, I believe that most any trained singer will > tell you that vibrato is a natural part of good singing technique. Any singers > want to back me up on this? Any singer with good technique, by definition should have a good vibrato. Any guitarist with good tapping technique should have fingers ( I think...). That does not mean that vibrato happens automatically (not all note fluctuations are not vibrato) when you have good technique. It's consciously added, when the melody/piece dictates that it should be used and it's left out when the piece dictates otherwise. In most of the LaBrie situations on FII that people are talking about (I don't think you made any examples) it's been my opinion that the words would not have allowed vibrato (because few of them were sustained notes) i.e. "Car ry me to the wa ter" ... shorter note values leave less room for vibrato. CANNAGETUNAMEN?! - Return of the Son of Choogagoogagoonga! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:58:22 -0600 From: ChipAlexander To: jam Subject: space Message-ID: Alright,inhonorofthespacethreadIhavedecidedtoboycottspacesentirely,justlikethebioonKevmo'sChromakeypage.I,too,pronounce'FII'asfie,butmyfavoriteisCiaW,whichtranslatesassomekindofbirdcallwhenIreadit.DoesanyonehaveinfoaboutthesecondlegofDTtourdatesintheUS?Takeiteasy--Chiphttp://www.eden.com/~email_address_removed@usa.netKuhalonirc.dreamt.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:16:15 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Berkley Demo CD, Anyone? Message-ID: > From: "Timothy C. Wann" > Subject: Berkley Demo CD, Anyone? > > I was at a bootleg CD convention in Baltimore about a year ago and saw > a CD of early DT while they were still at Berkley( and without a singer > I might add). I'm still kicking myself for not buying it, I bought Mind > Control instead( a bootleg of an Awake show in Japan). Has anyone else > seen this early recordings from Berkley CD too? It had a cover of YYZ, > Misson: Impossible theme, and some Change of Seasons parts. There was > other stuff too, but I can't recall the rest. I haven't seen it since > then, and I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get a copy or > maybe someone could make a tape for me if they are one of the lucky few > who hold this cool demo. Please contact me. > Ahh... this really pissed me off... I swear about 10% of the really cool demo tapes and stuff like that that I own has somehow managed to make it onto boot CDs.. I have something like that (not actuially at Berkley, but live) and have several other tapes that someone is now selling... I swear that someone that I traded to earlier on must have been a boot CD maker... kinda annoying... Ok, also, Tim, you might want to turn off the HTML code in your mail. Makes it really annoying getting a message with the body, followed by the entuire thing again in HTML... most people I know will just completly delete any email tht comes to them with HTML embedded inside... (nothing personal, just sorta a FYI thing), -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: email_address_removed Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:21:35 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Re: Vito Vi Bratto Message-ID: > I have to argue this. That's just not correct. I have played on > basses that sustain for longer than I can hold a note vocally. AND > there are lots of bassists who utilize vibrato (but don't use it as a I think what he's talking about is that violins, voice, wind instruments, etc, have a constant source of, uh, 'energy'. That is you can keep the note at certain level for the entire time you're playing it. Obviously, if a group is playing, everybody cant be playing vibrato freely, because it will sound like a garbled mess. But I've yet to hear a violin solo without vibrato. > Any singer with good technique, by definition should have a good > vibrato. Any guitarist with good tapping technique should have > fingers ( I think...). no that'd be like saying "Any singer with a good technique should have a throat":) It should be "Any guitarist with a good tapping technique shold have agile and strong right-hand fingers. > people are talking about (I don't think you made any examples) it's > been my opinion that the words would not have allowed vibrato > (because few of them were sustained notes) i.e. "Car ry me to the > wa ter" ... shorter note values leave less room for vibrato. > I think he could very well use what I call his 'feedback vibrato' there. Like what he does on WFS...although I like HY just as it is... Ernesto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:59:35 -0500 (EST) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3221 (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 10:51:32 -0500 (EST) ]From: Dan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3221 I have two extra tickets to the Tradewinds SHow in New Jersey on Nov.21 if anyone is interested mail me please. Thanks Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3221 (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 10:51:32 -0500 (EST) ]From: Dan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3221 I have two extra tickets to the Tradewinds SHow in New Jersey on Nov.21 if anyone is interested mail me please. Thanks Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:21:21 -0600 From: Seth Hatlelid To: email_address_removed Subject: Syrinx Message-ID: Syrinx, Sorry to post this to the jam, but I lost your address and I need it to send you the cash for the Echolyn stuff. Anyway, now that Mike is reading the jam on tour, the band has a valuable tool for audience feedback (hint, hint). It would be the perfect way to decide on which shows to use for live albums, which songs work better live, why Derek rocks so hard (as an aside, I just saw a Trinity Pro, keyboard, that has to be the UGLIEST board I have ever seen, looks like a part from the MIR space station, sounds great though). FFFF,0000,0000Waiting for DT to tour St. Louis. Seth Seth Hatlelid email_address_removed Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html "The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days." Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much radiation as we do from the Sun, and in addition 7*7 (49) times as much as the Earth does from the Sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the Moon is one 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the Sun, so we can ignore that ... The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation,(H/E)^4 = 50, where E is the absolute temperature of the earth (-300K), gives H as 798K (525C). The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed ... [However] Revelations 21:8 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6C. We have, then, that Heaven, at 525C is hotter than Hell at 445C." ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3234 **************************