YTSEJAM Digest 3227 Today's Topics: 1) Fates' date by "James Thorpe" 2) Need Tix for The Edge BADLY by email_address_removed (Jason K. Werner) 3) Fourth Estate by Edwin Voras 4) Houston Fates Shows by Eric Desobe 5) Madison show 11-18 by "Brian Hayden" 6) * * Houston Jammers: Ytsevening II * * by email_address_removed (Mark Lampert) 7) General crap by "Brian Hayden" 8) Good Dallas area CD store by "Tom Baddley" 9) Awake: an emotional landmark by "Tedesco, Matthew" 10) Vibrato by KillMary 11) Charlie Dominici? Who gives a f**k?! by email_address_removed (HOME CHRIS S DEVINE) 12) Cairo by Phil Carter 13) Re: Tradewinds show by "Kelly A. McAllister" 14) Request for some feedback by The Phoenix 15) ACOS Project / Thanks to Eric Barker! / anyone else meeting the b by "Vaughn, Brandon" 16) JM, JLB, Dawn, 7 strings by Anna & Heike Boedeker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:49:12 -0800 From: "James Thorpe" To: Subject: Fates' date Message-ID: <01bceeb9$5b45e900$e177ae8c@mpeywdzn> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BCEE76.4D22A900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would someone be kind enough to tell me the=20 date when Fates will be coming to the Bay Area? =20 thanks, --james-- third heaven studio=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BCEE76.4D22A900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Werner Email: email_address_removed Systems Administrator Phone: 650-933-9393 USFO I/S Technical Support Fax: 650-932-9393 Silicon Graphics, Inc./Cray Research Pager: 888-491-2906, email_address_removed "Winning is a habit"-Vince Lombardi "These go to eleven"-Nigel Tufnel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:06 -0800 (PST) From: Edwin Voras To: Ytsejam Subject: Fourth Estate Message-ID: <19971111160650.UULL4185@[166.33.99.41]> For those of you looking for info on Fourth Estate here is their Web site address http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/5078/index.html Ytse on, eD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:10:22 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Desobe To: email_address_removed Subject: Houston Fates Shows Message-ID: Just wanted to know if anyone is going to see the Houston Fates Show at the worst venue in town the Abyss. To be honest I would rather Fates play in backyard then the Abyss but what can you do. Anyway, let me know if anyone wants to meet up before, during the show, etc. Thanks. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 10:44:49 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Madison show 11-18 Message-ID: A few quick questions: are there tix still available for the show in Madison, and is anybody going to be near Minneapolis on their way there and would be willing to pick up a person or two? Thanks for any info! -Brian ******************************************************************************** "I may have wasted all those years, but they're not worth their time in tears." -John Myung of Dream Theater ******************************************************************************** Maintainer of Dream Theater North American Tour pre-show gatherings site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771/dt.html ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:45:40 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Mark Lampert) To: "Ytsejam" Subject: * * Houston Jammers: Ytsevening II * * Message-ID: <01bceec1$3e784720$message_id_removed> Ahoy, It's that time again! I know a couple of you already from the first Houston Ytsevening in June, and now it's coming up again - a bunch of us Houston jammer types get together in a Houston restaurant and hang out for the evening. Last time was pretty good, even though only a few of us were able to make it that time. I'm hoping that more of us will be able to come out for a night this time so we can meet and maybe even set up a Houston DT concert mob for when they get down here in '98 (There are already unofficial plans to meet with some jammers from Waco coming down from the show). • The Place: Undecided ... Last time we met at Texadelphia off of Westheimer near the Galleria. It was a fine place to meet and would suit as a location again, or I'm open to any suggestions. • The Date: Right now, I am looking at Dec. 19th or 20th... that would be a Friday or Saturday night. If some of you will be out of town at that time, the weekend before will probably do as well. If you would be interested in coming out and having dinner with some Houston jammers, email me and I'll keep a running list of those who plan to come. Let me know if you have a good place to meet in mind, or if Texadelphia would be fine. Hope to see you there! · • Colonel Mustard • · email_address_removed · • Colonel Mustard • · ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 10:51:15 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: General crap Message-ID: Responding to the message of from email_address_removed: > > > On Thu, Nov 06, 1997 at 04:16:59PM -0800, email_address_removed > wrote: > > Regardless, I don't think it's that big a deal at all, buying the CD that > > way. I totally understand the need to save money. > > The problem is (and this isn't meant to be a slam, just a comment), that if > your goal is to save money, why don't you just copy someone else's CD. Because you don't get the liner notes, etc. > You > can get CDR's for a few bucks these days Um, you think most people can afford to just run out and grab a recorder? > And I don't believe trying to save money is an excuse. Spoken like someone who has enough money to not worry about it...either that, or you're REALLY obsessed with DT...and need some help. Sorry, but I care more about my OWN next meal than some band member's. > My point was that buying a promo and copying someone else's CD (whether CDR > or tape or whatever...) supports the artist the same amount (none > monetarily). I only used CDR to thwart the argument of "I wanted the promo > copy because it's better quality than I could tape. (I don't have a CDR > myself). You don't thwart the argument at all, because a promo also has cover art, etc., as has been mentioned, and most people don't have easy access to a CD writer. I also have taped copies of many CDs, and I'm not a bit ashamed of it. These are CDs that I don't care enough about to get if I had to pay for them, so the artist loses nothing. Responding to the message of from email_address_removed: > btw...we've been using *two* spaces after a period, for quite a few decades > now. :) Um, only on a manual typewriter. On computer, the standard is one space. -Brian ******************************************************************************** "I may have wasted all those years, but they're not worth their time in tears." -John Myung of Dream Theater ******************************************************************************** Maintainer of Dream Theater North American Tour pre-show gatherings site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771/dt.html ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:57:37 -0700 From: "Tom Baddley" To: Subject: Good Dallas area CD store Message-ID: <01bceec2$ea1bfc60$message_id_removed> >P.S. Any Dallas/Ft.Worth Jammers know where to get a good selection of >boots and used cd's? I am new to the area and need some shopping >direction. Please e-mail me privately. There is a small store in Plano, TX called Bone Daddy's (near Preston and Parker, I think). They carry used, boot, and import CD's of most progressive bands mentioned here on the Jam...as well as lots of DT (one of the owners is a DT fan). They can also special order most items that don't have in stock. I built up most of my DT collection while living in Dallas, and I always got a good deal from Bone Daddy's. New subject: A friend at work gave me a copy of an article that appeared in Denver's Rocky Mountain News (Wednesday, Nov 5, 1997). It was almost a full page, on the front of the Arts and Entertainment section. Headlines read: "Tried and True. Fans stay tuned as progressive Dream Theater keeps bucking rock trends." It contains a 4"x4" color photo from the FII promo shots (the one with Derek's b&w shoes up on the coffee table). This article came out the day before they played in Denver last week. I was highly impressed by the writer of the article, Michael Mehle, Popular Music Writer for the RMN. He reported everything in a positive light, and even mentioned the Internet fans (probably a ytse-jammer himself!). I'll transcribe the article and post it up here later today. Take care! Tom Baddley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:58:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" To: email_address_removed Subject: Awake: an emotional landmark Message-ID: Hey all: Dan Abosso: > I have corresponded with "xdtvoc1" and I am almost 100% sure it >isn't him. From what he writes, he appears to be.. rather stupid. Also, Well, I always thought CD was respectable on WDADU, but frankly, the guy was ditched because of musical differences. (On a side note, I wonder how he feels with FII being DT's most "pop" effort.) Still, it is still DT, and he really wanted to go a different way, so... go there. Go that way. Achilles: >reading the past few jams, I keep coming across this acronym, (and it's >not in the FAQ as far as I know). What is this OFB?? "Our Favorite Band." Use with discretion. Jim Suplizio: >I cannot agree more. I've been a fan of Loreena for the past 4 years. >She is one of the most talented musicians I have ever heard. She I was at Border's last night, with all of these listening stations. I saw her name at one, and I thought, well, I've heard her neame on the 'jam, why not. Put on the headphones and... WOW. I must have this CD. Everyone should. WOW. Clark Abel: > I've always thought that Awake was a model of modern hard rock >productioproduction. I think it sounds respectable on any soundsystem, and Amen to this. Couldn't agree more. No album approaches this for me in terms of sheer perfect production. > FII: More "pop-ish" than ACOS or Awake. >> I agree with you there. Yup, I'll throw my hat in on this one (see above, concerning CD). I've been debating this one quite a bit, in terms of how this fits in with other DT discs. I do think FII is great, but Awake struck a vibe that no other album approaches. The perfect production is a factor, but it's deeper than that. The song-writing is impeccably strong, the mix is perfect. And the last thing--I listened to Awake last night, paying particular attention to KM's parts. There's such emotion and anguish, from the keyboard sounds themselves, to the parts that he's playing. The key parts on songs like Erotomania, Scarred, Mirror/Lie, they bleed emotion. His unhappiness may be unfortunate, but those feelings led to what I particularly feel may be the single most powerful album of keyboard work that I've ever heard. Of course, SDV is the best example, but it really runs through the whole album. It's funny, I've listened to that album so many times, but last night, listening to it and thinking about where Kevin was, and the direction of the band, their stengths and weaknesses through experience, and now where the band has gone since then, I heard it anew all over again. I can truly appreciate what a brilliant album it is, what a musical landmark, possibly (probably) the greatest collection of musical work that I own. FII? Yeah, it's really good. Best thing I've heard in quite awhile (next to APSoG). Nothing approachers Awake, though. The emotions there, maybe because of Kevin, are too unique to be captured again. Sure, experiences will dictate new albums of different emotional context, but the intensity of Awake is a tough stick to be measured against. MATt (yet another...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:07:47 -0500 (EST) From: KillMary To: email_address_removed Subject: Vibrato Message-ID: >If you take one pitch and just try to hold it without any vibrato on >any instrument it's going to sound crappy. I learned that in middle school >band when I was twelve. > -Clark I always thought of vibrato as an effect - something you can add if you want to. I personally think that Hollow Years may be the best performance yet by KJLB - he shows here that he doesn't need the help of an effect (vibrato) to show a lot of emotion. Open your mind a little. There's a lot of great music out there that doesn't use vibrato. For a kickass non-vibrato voice, check out Devin Townsend. K. "This life's not for living - it's for fight and for war." - Yes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:30:55, -0500 From: email_address_removed (HOME CHRIS S DEVINE) To: email_address_removed Subject: Charlie Dominici? Who gives a f**k?! Message-ID: I must say thay I reall ydon't understand all the fuss over this guy, even if it is "him". As far as I'm concerned, he is very insignificant to the legacy of DT. WDADU is, to me, by far the weakest of all DT realeases. His high pitched girly voice is a big reason to. For those of you that like him, and WDADU, thats cool. I'm not crtiticizing anyone for that. Just keep in mind that if it's "not" Charlie Dominici, than this polooka is having the laugh of his lifetime watching everyone rack their brains trying to figure out whether it is or not. And if it is? Refer to the "subject" portion of my heading. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:02:16 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter To: Under a Glass Ytse Subject: Cairo Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... I was fiddling around at Ghostland (www.ghostland.com) and checking out the info on some of the bands there. The entry for Cairo sounded fairly interesting... Twenty-minute songs, the usual lineup of keys, guitar, drums, bass and vocals, and some interesting song titles. Sounds worth a listen. Anybody know? I'd welcome recommendations if anyone has this disc (self-titled). Cheers, Phil ===================================================================== Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Tech Support, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Dream Theater -- "Images and Words" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:01:40 EST From: "Kelly A. McAllister" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Tradewinds show Message-ID: > > > > Hey NY/NJ area jammers, > > Does anyone have an idea what time DT will come on at the Tradewinds > show Nov. 21? I'm asking because I probably can't get there till 10pm > at the earliest, so will the show be half over by then? > > -Mike > I think that the doors open at 8 PM. Big Wreck only play about seven songs so i think that DT will go on at about 9:30. You'll probably miss NM and UAGM if their setlist stays about the same. If something happens to hold the show up, you shouln't miss much, though. --Kelly> PS..Does anyone know aof any good stores in Jersey (preferibly around Central or Southern) where i can find any DT bootlegs or concert tapes? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:40:20 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix To: email_address_removed Subject: Request for some feedback Message-ID: Are all of Conception's albums as good as "Flow"? Are all of Gamma Ray's albums as good as "Land of the Free"? Are all of Stratovarius's albums as good as "Episode" and "Visions"? (private e-mail) Side note: JLB's voice kicks major butt with or without a vibrato (or whatever you call it). I don't hear what the big deal is. -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | email_address_removed Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:09:49 -0600 From: "Vaughn, Brandon" To: email_address_removed Subject: ACOS Project / Thanks to Eric Barker! / anyone else meeting the b Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C05D2FA@chipola.cc.fl.us> I wanted to publicly thank Eric Barker for getting a copy of the ACOS TAB into Petrucci's hands! Hopefully Petrucci will also get one in the mail, but at least he got a copy in person. If anyone else gets a chance to talk to Petrucci in the upcoming concerts, maybe you wouldn't mind asking him his thoughts on the TAB, and if he is going to be able to help us by correcting it. Eric wasn't really able to converse with him...just hand him the goods! If you get a chance to talk to him, please email me. Or if you post it in the Jam, make sure to indicate that you talked to him in the subject heading (so I don't miss it!). Thanks again Eric (and anyone else who can talk to Petrucci)! Brandon Vaughn vaughnb@chipola.cc.fl.us (I feel pretty good about things. He's had it for a couple of days, and I haven't gotten any calls about suing from Warner! :) So I guess no news is good news. But I want everyone to try to encourage Petrucci (without bugging him) to help us out by correcting it. So...no news is good news...but corrections are better!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:15:35 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker To: email_address_removed Subject: JM, JLB, Dawn, 7 strings Message-ID: >the parts, i.e. Myungs playing.. his playing is so heavy and low (drop b?) >that he can't be heard on a shitty tapedeck.. I have to listen to it (to >truely appreciate it) on my car stereo. Yep... I also find it somewhat ironic that his sound on ACOS is very much better (in the sense of: clearer, more audible) IMSNHO though he was probably using the same equipment as on Awake (Tung 6 string, D'Addario strings, Mesa stack), it really is about the mix... Bass-soundwise I liked IAW best, but I general think that Spectors record really good. Or he should give it a shot w/a Ken Smith :-) > Does anyone think that KJ is getting better as a singer with time? I am >amazed at how great he really is. The first time I saw them play I wasn't >happy with the way that KJ sang, but this last time all I could do was sing >praises.... JLB :-) Oh yeah, definitely... I even remember people (musicians) having made jokes about him... but FII definitely is his masterpiece so far, technically perfect and very soulful... >Looking (again) for Eloy's "Dawn" on CD. New or good used ok-E-mail me >please:) Alas, I don't have it but I could keep my eyes open over here in Germany if you want... >Steve Vai said in an interview ages ago that he had tried to put >a high A-string on the Universe, but it broke all the time, so it was >no use. Not too hard to imagine... esp. w/ a FR this can drive you real mad, like ARRGHHH!!! :-) >I also read something about a 7-string acoustic from Ibanez. Anybody The Artwood AJ 307 EC will be available not before early 1998... >tried it out yet? What would be cool would be a 14-string guitar, >like a 12-string, only with 7 pairs of strings. Probably the Ibanez Custom Shop will be happy to build you one... :-) >Are there any thinner guitar strings available than .008? yep... I've also seen .007 but I don't know anyone who would play them b/c I just suspected a lot of trouble w/tuning stability & breaking... In fact few still play .008 for this reason... >What's the price for a Universe in the States, UK, where ever, anyway? The list price for the old UV7 is $ 1999.99, in Germany you can get it at Art of Sound for DM 2770.-- --- Heike ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3227 **************************