YTSEJAM Digest 3215 Today's Topics: 1) DT at the Galaxy on Tuesday by email_address_removed 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3214 by Vaibhav Gokhale 3) Re: TNMeSs by "Miguel Farah F." 4) Re: promo and other stuff by "Brian Hayden" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3212 by email_address_removed 6) Transcription Of Metal Maniacs Article (Pt. 2) by MTeiper 7) Transcription Of Metal Maniacs Article (Part 3 of 3) by MTeiper 8) Re: The Gathering by no atheists in foxholes 9) Promo for Pyroids by email_address_removed 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3212 by Cappy 11) 2 TIX for L.A. show (11/11) by email_address_removed (Paul T. Fini) 12) SE jammers (near extinction?!) by Riffinator 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3213 by Dan 14) speaking of leather...... by email_address_removed 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3211 by email_address_removed 16) hook line & sinker (ndtc) by Scotch 17) The DJ: prog channel by Michael Burstin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:42:45 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT at the Galaxy on Tuesday Message-ID: Fellow Jammerz-- I'm back, with a new address and a better attitude. Shortly after FII was released (three weeks exactly) my father was killed in an industrial accident. Funny thing-- "Take Away My Pain" helped me through my sorrow quite a bit, and I even read it during my father's eulogy. (I hope John and the rest of the guys don't mind) Anywayz-- Now that I've depressed all of you, I want to know if anyone is going to the show on tuesday at the Galaxy in Santa Ana. It'll be my first DT show ever, and I wanted to know if anyone wanted to party afterward, or during, as I'll be making table reservations. Signed, sealed and delivered, The ProgRockBoy, Nik Guadagnoli. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:43:48 -0500 From: Vaibhav Gokhale To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3214 Message-ID: Please take me off your mailing list! Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:56:03 -0300 (CDT) From: "Miguel Farah F." To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: TNMeSs Message-ID: > >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:24:25 -0500 >From: Lobsterback >To: email_address_removed >Subject: TNMeSs >Message-ID: > > >>Well, that is the TNMS in a nutshell. It is a EXTREMELY moderated >>list. You really can't get too far off the subject of Rush without >>having RUSHMGR tell you to end the thread. It is how this list got >>started. People started talking about DT too much and RUSHMGR told >>everyone to change the subject. I haven't been on that list in a >>while, because the conversation gets awfully stale when all you talk >>about is Rush. I'd rather hear about new bands during the down times >>rather than stupid arguments about stuff like Ayn Rand's influence or >>what the "correct" lyrics are for "Freewill". > >I bet there's a lot of us ex-TNMS'ers on this list. My personal quitting >story -- I got dumped off the list in some sort of freak accident, and >never bothered to rejoin. What was the point, after all? More whining and >tedious ANALysis than here! The TNMS crew has the reputation of being >Internet-equivalent to the uber-Trekkies ripped to pieces by William >Shatner on SNL. No offense to anyone out there still on the list, of >course. Some guy told me that. Yeah, some guy... (Do you think they >bought it?) Hush, you'll blow our cover... I strongly disagree with you. The list managers on TNMS do a great job at keeping the *RUSH* mailing-list in order. Did ou ever see a "RC" sign on the Subject: (just like "DTC")? Thing is, TNMS exists to talk about Rush, no more, and someone has to work to keep it that way. I appreciate being on the Ytsejam, but the fact that more than half of the posts are NDTC is annoying. Besides, if you don't like TNMS, you can subscribe to other Rush mailing lists. Oops, they don't exist? As some Ferengi I know would say, take it as an opportunity! -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+>L++++ miguel@webhost.cl / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O mfarah@puc.cl \ M- V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / X- R tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ #include \ r-- y? <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 17:47:21 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Re: promo and other stuff Message-ID: > which would be a Load of crap which I would throw Ryche down the toilet. > I laughed like hell at that. :-) -Brian ******************************************************************************** "I may have wasted all those years, but they're not worth their time in tears." -John Myung of Dream Theater ******************************************************************************** Maintainer of Dream Theater North American Tour pre-show gatherings site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771/dt.html ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:01:49 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3212 Message-ID: >the one who made the total profit from it. The store, unless they got it for >free, made the normal profit margin. If I were the owner of you typical local music store, I'd tell the dj guy that his copy was 'faulty' because of the stamp on the front. Thus increasing the profit margin. And to whoever first said that anyone got %100 profit from this deal, keep in mind that 100% = twice as much. That's how I keep it straight. Regardless, I don't think it's that big a deal at all, buying the CD that way. I totally understand the need to save money. josh email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:53:32 EST From: MTeiper To: email_address_removed Subject: Transcription Of Metal Maniacs Article (Pt. 2) Message-ID: ..... And now for Part 2 of "Technical Ecstasy" by Jeff Wagner........ I've always been perplexed by the Dream Theater/Napalm Death Mutual Appreciation Society. One would never guess such a thing could exist when listening to new DT tracks "Peruvian Skies" and "Hollow Years". Though FII is certainly not even close to a "Load" or a "Hear In the Now Frontier" (i.e. crrrrap!), it seems purposely streamlined in certain spots. I see the Mike doesn't entirely agree. "It is, at points." And then he stresses "At POINTS." So, was this a conscious atempt to temper the usually maze-like arrangements the band is so well-known for? "For certain songs, we were thinking to consciously try to focus and not get too sidetracked," Mike explains. "And then there's other songs, the big songs, like "Lines In the Sand", "Trial Of Tears", "New Millenium" - those were written the way we always write, where it's just sorta stream of consciousness and whatever happens, happens. So, we tried to focus for different songs. Like "Peruvian Skies", we consciously tried to write a simple arrangement." Hmmmm. For Dream Theater to take a radical approach, then, means to actually conform somewhat, to temper its tendency to arrange a song as a schizophrenic, perfectionist genius might. John, in his ever-calm demeanor, considered this. "I think we're just changing and our tastes are evolving. We're really conscious of growth, we don't want to be pigeonholed to do any one particular thing, so with this album, I think we've really balanced the self-indulgent playing. I think we've captured the personality of the songs." This makes me think of Rush, and how they've somehow managed to maintain an ongoing, successful career by doing just that - by assessing their tastes, infusing them into their music, and if they all of a sudden seem to be writing three-minute songs as opposed to the 20-minute epics they're known for, then everyone-else-be-damned. That's just the way it's gonna be. Right? Is Dream Theater headed that way? Mike firmly maintains, with conviction, "at least we still have 12- and 13-minute songs [LITS and ToT]." There's also the opener, "New Millenium", one of the band's finest, most focused compositions to date, which clocks in at a healthy nine-plus. Mike exuberantly continues the thought, "yeah, and then [there's] "Hell's Kitchen", an instrumental with a lot of odd time signatures and cool playing. It's a balance, whereas Rush, Yes, and Genesis, all those progressive bands through the years, they got a little more poppy. We still have that balance. Even for some songs, if the arrangements are a bit more simple, if the songs sound a little more radio-friendly, we'll still balance it with longer instrumentally-based songs too. We never want to lose that balance." Brave thinking for a gold-selling band who does this for a living, and who could easily sway to the temptations that other high-profile major-label heavy bands have historically given in to. The mass mindset says guitar solos aren't cool... High-register vocals are cheesy... Virtuosity is self- indulgent. Does not that current mainstream music industry mentality fucking SUCK? "It's a pretty shitty time for music," Mike does declare. "'Just Let Me Breathe' totally sums up the whole state of current music. I think it's a pretty sorry state of affairs in the industry, but hopefully it'll turn. It doesn't bother me what goes on around us, as long as it doesn't change us. I see other bands, the 'M' band or the 'Q' band who have completely succumbed to giving in to changing their styles and to fit these trends, and..." "I don't think that's fair, though, because we changed too," John adamantly counters. I stay out of it. Mike: "Yeah, but I don't think we changed our style." John: "I think when you're a fan of something, you have expectations." Mike: "Well, I'm a fan, too, so I have an opinion just like anybody else, and what some of those other bands have done by completely changing their sound and style, to me, as a fan, I'm turned off by that! And I don't think anybody can accuse us of that. Yes, there's a change in sound, maybe, or a little bit of change in style, but it still sounds like us. It has the diversity, it has the extremes that we've always had, so I think you have to listen to what's out there, and with the current state odf music, it's scary to stick by your guns and do what you do. You want to do what's gonna make you the most successful, but you really have to balance that with integrity and what you could live with. I wouldn't want to put out an album that I couldn't stand by, and I love this album, I think it's our best album. I don't feel like we've sold out or compromised any integrity whatsoever. We've changed, because naturally we're going to change, no matter what we do, no matter what the musical climate is, you know?" ............ (whew, I'm getting tired)......... Part 3 (the finale) to follow........ - Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:03:38 EST From: MTeiper To: email_address_removed Subject: Transcription Of Metal Maniacs Article (Part 3 of 3) Message-ID: ...... and now for the conclusion of "Technical Ecstasy" by Jeff Wagner....... Wise words. I hope the "M" and "Q" bands are reading. It wouldn't hurt anybody to take a page from the Dream Theater book of musical ethics. Chapter One: How To Become An Incredible Musician. Chapter Two: How To Stay An Incredible Musician, And Even Write Good Songs! And just to play devil's advocate, I ask John and Mike a scandalous "what if": What if Dream Theater DID go the way of Rush, churning out less-than-challenging three-minute pieces? They both steadfastly cut me off before I finish. "It would never happen," says John. "I couldn't see us having a one-dimensional record. I think the different areas that we might go in that diversify a record will change, but when you do one type of thing, you want to write something different next time." "As long as I'm in this band," Mike adds, "I wouldn't go in that direction. I don't think anybody in this band would let that happen." THE END Well, that's it! I hope that some of you out there found this entertaining. I sure did! Incidentally, this was taken from the February 1998 (Vol 15, Number 1) issue of Metal Maniacs. It has a big picture of "Six Feet Under" on the cover. Laterz..... Matt T. NP: OverKill "From the Underground and Below" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:13:23 -0500 (EST) From: no atheists in foxholes To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Gathering Message-ID: The Gathering is considered death metal, or has been by some people, because their first (and best) album, ALWAYS..., has death-metal style vocals. Though the music is not death at all, but much more in the doom vein. The second (and, from what I hear, worst) album had a different singer, and MANDYLION, yet another--the only female-vocalled version of the band. Get the first album. The vocals are a low point (not that I absolutely hate death metal vocals, but this guy isn't quite Chuck Schuldiner), but the music is really beautiful. There is this one outro with only flute and piano which is one of the most beautiful things I've heard. MANDYLION had to grow on me, and I found it uninteresting until I got used to its simplicity, but ALWAYS... is an instant classic. If you can get by the growling. "O dulcissime amator, o dulcissime amplexator, ...nos desideramus ardenter te sequi, ... quod tu desideres gemmam requirere in putredine." --Hildegard von Bingen //// A testament: http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:35:49 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Promo for Pyroids Message-ID: > From: Richard Banister > Anybody wanna flame me? Want and "going to" are different things. :) Muahahaha! > Question: Does anyone know how much of the TLF JP solo was improv, > and how much was pre-meditated? I absolutely love it. .. Well, it sounds improv, but I've heard that jam on a couple different concerts, so I think that it's sort of structured... like "over this chord, I will solo like this for X measures, and over that chord I will improvise a little..." The actual SOLO in the song (not the end of song jam) is not improvised at all. It's very similar (though not quite as good) as the one on the studio version. > Here's the deal (as far as I know) about the way it works. The promo CD > falls under the 'free goods' aspect of DTs record contract. No matter > what, DT suffers here. In fact, I believe they are the only ones who > don't make a profit off the promo. However, it doesn't matter what > happens to the promo after it's classified as free goods. So the guy who > bought it didn't hurt DTs profit at all. . No... everyone's point is that he didn't buy a copy of the real album, and that means that DT is losing a sale. But it's all blown out of proportion, and the only real offender is the record store. BTW, most record stores do get promo cds... it's not usually the radio station selling them. Most of them give the cds away to employees after a while though (or to me, since I know a few shop owners!). Take care! Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:48:54 -0600 From: Cappy To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3212 Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 06, 1997 at 04:16:59PM -0800, email_address_removed wrote: > Regardless, I don't think it's that big a deal at all, buying the CD that > way. I totally understand the need to save money. The problem is (and this isn't meant to be a slam, just a comment), that if your goal is to save money, why don't you just copy someone else's CD. You can get CDR's for a few bucks these days, whip it in a writer and have a copy made just as good as the original in a short time. The band makes the same off of you as the promo did. That and the fact that if I remember right, the guy only really saved $2 because he said he saw it elsewhere for $12. Now, I don't condone the copying, I'm just trying to make a point. Even if you buy a CD used, you (indirectly) contribute to the artists who worked their ass off to bring you that music, even if it's only a few cents by the time it gets back to them. Someone bought the CD, didn't like it enough to keep it and now you own it. There was still a contribution to the band. Promos are designed to be played on the air, not profitted by radio stations that could probably care less about the bands they sell the promos of. And by buying those CD's, you only contribute to their profitting off of other people's hard work without them contributing anything back. Now, I wouldn't condemn anyone for buying these, however, because than I would be a hypocrite, because I've done the same thing in the past. And the guy who posted about it even said (in a later post) that he didn't really think about it at the time (which is understandable). However, I don't do this anymore, unless it's the only way I can get a copy (i.e., out of print). And most of the ones I have in the past I have purchased non-promos of. And I don't believe trying to save money is an excuse. -- Mike Jones, email_address_removed __________ Cappy _________ email_address_removed Progressive Genius ( http://www.progmetal.org ) Progressive Metal Web Ring ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:16:05 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Paul T. Fini) To: email_address_removed Subject: 2 TIX for L.A. show (11/11) Message-ID: I just got back from Japan and am still catching up on 'jams, but as far as I know nobody has responded to my offer for 2 TICKETS TO THE L.A. (HOUSE OF BLUES) show. I'm now offering these for $20 apiece, and would much rather see that they go to a 'jammer than someone else. Please respond A.S.A.P. if you or a friend haven't yet gotten tickets for what is looking to be a kick-ass show! (e-mail me directly). Paul -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. Paul T. Fini U.C. Santa Barbara email_address_removed Materials Dept. voice (805)893-8869, fax (805)893-8971 MOCVD group -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:04:52 EST From: Riffinator To: email_address_removed Subject: SE jammers (near extinction?!) Message-ID: Hey fellow ytse's! I envy all you ppl from up north...must be pretty, uh, exciting (understatement) to see OFB live. I wonder if DT doesn't get enough record sells in the southeast or something, cuz they never come hear! But I always see plenty of DT albums (including FII) on the shelves here in SC, and when I come back the next day or so several of 'em have been bought. So they obviously have a decent fanbase here in the SE. I'm sure if they came to Atlanta in '98 (pleez, pleez! -just in case you're reading, Mike :) that they would get an awesome turnout. In the meantime if any of you jammerz are from the SE and are planning on going to the Jaxx concert in Va. (IF the 12/26 date is ever confirmed), it would be cool to hear from ya by private email. If it's an only 21 and older show, guess I won't go :(... YEAH RIGHT! I can only think of two words: ROAD TRIP!!!! N.P. - "Metropolis Pt. 2" -don't I wish >=] "mumuff wah blah muff blah blah wah muffle!" -Kenny from South Park -Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:25:54 -0500 (EST) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3213 Message-ID: Metallica will not be playing their "free show" in Philly. They are so pathetic that they have to do a free show plus their manager can't even do the right thing to set the show up. That is why they will lose the court case tomorrow morning. Oh well! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:06:38 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: speaking of leather...... Message-ID: <971106210638_-692968244@mrin47> fates warning at coney island high?!?!?!?! my, how the mighty have fallen. i can't wait to see queensryche there in a couple of years. ytsegoon ************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school email_address_removed email_address_removed "and i know that where the chains of doom are kept, i find my shoes." - king's x ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:06:39 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3211 Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/97 10:03:00, you wrote: >Anyway, the guys ran up a staircase, but the crowd was cheering so >enthusiastically, that they stopped and acknowledged their fans. Then >suddenly, Mike turns away from the crowd, bends over, and drops his >shorts for a few seconds! Everyone seemed to think it was pretty funny. if the above story is true, i don't know if i feel comfortable knowing that i blew 42 bucks for 2 tickets to see portnoy moon me. funny? maybe not. perhaps i wasn't wrong all this time to call him "porntoy." but i guess when you become a successful progressive drummer, you can moon people. ytsegoon ************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school email_address_removed email_address_removed "i played around as well as i was able, and soon we had the record of the year." -b. may ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:18:09 -0500 From: Scotch To: Delirium Tremens Subject: hook line & sinker (ndtc) Message-ID: ]From the news: >WASHINGTON (AP) - A man who says music convinced his son to commit suicide >planned to testify today at a congressional hearing aimed at making parents >aware of the music their children buy. Raymond Kuntz said his 15-year-old son >Richard shot himself after listening to his favorite band, Marilyn Manson. For god's sake, this is fake! There's nothing about it in any of the papers, and anyway, look at the name of the son: Richard Kuntz? Dick Kuntz? I'd think that more of you would catch this sort of thing... (and who posted it in the first place?) Hoping Kevin Moore gets over that testicular cancer, Scotch. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:48:25 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: The DJ: prog channel Message-ID: Just read this on Parallels, and figured I'd forward it on over here... > From: email_address_removed > Subject: Fates on "thedj" > > > Mike Rengel wrote: > < http://www.thedj.com they play music over the web via realaudio. They have > lots of different "channels" including a progressive one. It was playing > Queensryche's "London" when I checked it. Just letting everyone know.>> > > I just got to the progressive channel and wouldn't you know it, they were > playing "Leave the Past Behind." They allow you to rate the song from 1-to-10 > with 10 being the best (I gave it a 1! Just kidding!). Now they are playing a > Lemur Voice song! Thanks Mike, I know what I'll be listening to while I'm > online. > This thing seems to be pretty cool... they basically build a client on top of RealAudio, which allows you to chose channels from a list of about 30 or 40, including some cool ones, prog, guitar, classic rock, some classic metal, some really cool selections... -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: email_address_removed Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3215 **************************