YTSEJAM Digest 3208 Today's Topics: 1) Portnoy's Stic by email_address_removed 2) 7-string in LITS by Jon Dery 3) "Lie" single by Jonathan Case 4) Trade Winds stuff by Damon Fibraio 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3207 by Jon Dery 6) Re: New York and New Jersey shows... by Damon Fibraio 7) re: Angra trying to be DT??? by Rogerio Brito 8) WF98, TLF/Eve, by Pat Sullivan 9) Eve by Eric Rodger 10) FII tabs on PROG OR DIE !!! by Arash Ashouriha 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3207 by email_address_removed 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3207 by email_address_removed 13) rush/dt/angra, and disappointment by "Tedesco, Matthew" 14) server down :-((((( by Arash Ashouriha 15) RE: Angra trying to be DT??? by Syrinx 16) Re: rush/dt/angra, and disappointment by "Christopher R. Merlo" 17) asdf by Dark Tower 18) Re: MN spoilers; If that was you with the DAT... by Anna & Heike Boedeker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:28:28 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Portnoy's Stic Message-ID: = = = = = = --- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 11-05-97 13:2= 7 = For those who were inquiring about MP's drumsticks; this is straight fro= m the Pro-Mark web site (www.promark-stix.com). Enjoy. = Shawn = *********************** June 1, 1997 = Press Release = For Immediate Release = DREAM THEATER DRUMMER JOINS PR0-MARK = Mike Portnoy, drummer for the popular band DREAM THEATER, has joined with= = Pro-Mark to create a new model drumstick that bears his name. = The Mike Portnoy model (stock =C4TX420N) is made of American Hickory. It = is 17/32" (13.5mm) in diameter, and 16 1/8" (409mm) long. It has a thick tap= er for added durability and a large acorn-shaped nylon tip. Suggested retail= = price is $10.40 per pair. = Marketing Director Pat Brown says, "Mike is a tremendously talented musician, highly regarded by his fans and peers alike. We're pleased he h= as chosen Pro-Mark for his drumstick and accessory needs." = The Mike Portnoy Model is in stock and available for immediate delivery. = For more information, please contact Pro-Mark Corporation, 10707 Craighea= d Drive, Houston, TX 77025. = Tel: 1-800-2330-5250 or 713-666-2626 = Fax: 713-669-8000 = E-mail: email_address_removed = Web: www.promark-stix.com = ---- 11-05-97 13:27 ---- Sent to ----------------------------------= -- -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET Advantis IBM Mail Exchange ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:39:54 -0500 From: Jon Dery To: email_address_removed Subject: 7-string in LITS Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed > Subject: Lines in the Sand > At clinics, supposedly Petrucci plays LITS on a 6 string (and I know > that can be done, because I play it on both 6 and 7). Cool. I *only* play it on a 7-string :) I've hated playing 6-strings ever since I bought my Universe! > On the album, though, I think I hear a low D every once in a while. Hmmm... I didn't notice that. Which part specifically? Every time I've seen him play it live, it's been on the 6-string. Maybe if it segued from a 7-string song in the live set, he might not have enough time to switch guitars. Also, I know that on some of the chunky parts, he plays D diads with an A a fifth below it creating the illusion that there is also a low D. If he is now using the 7-string live (for LITS), whoever cares should keep an eye open and let us know what's up. Later, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:54:01 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Case To: email_address_removed Subject: "Lie" single Message-ID: I got the Lie single for about $11 if I can recall. I'm pretty sure I got it at Best Buy sometime last year. -Jon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -Jonathan Case, graduate student Mailing Address: -School of Meteorology: (405)-325-6561 942 Deonne Circle -University of Oklahoma at Norman Norman, OK 73071 -Dept. Fax #: (405)-325-7689 (405)-364-7075 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Office: 1518 in Sarkey's Energy center; Norman, OK -73069- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: email_address_removed || URL: http://rossby.ou.edu/~jcase ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:51:28 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio To: Dream Theater Mailing list Subject: Trade Winds stuff Message-ID: OK. My X-girlfriend got me the ticket for the Seabrite show in NJ, but I don't know when it is. Who will be going from the list anyway? I am almost certain that even if she does go, she won't like the show, (hey, she likes weazer and nirvana, the only prog band she likes if P9ink Floyd), and she probably will give me a hard time about hanging out and even if we do, she will probably try to trash DT in front of a bunch of DT fans. Then again, she may surprise me. Either way, who will be going and when is the concert exactly? Reach Damon Fibraio at email_address_removed keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:58:58 -0500 From: Jon Dery To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3207 Message-ID: > i felt sorry for derek though - he's playing these absolutely ripping > solos, and everyone's watching JP play chords over on the other side > of the stage. Pretty rude, huh? When I saw DT at Toad's a couple of weeks ago, I swear that I was the only one there who actually acknowledged the fact that Derek was alive! He stole the show in my book. He absolutely KILLED the entire night (esp. on his solo during Scarred). I basically focused on him the whole night while everyone else was staring at Petrucci like a bunch of psychos. :) I agree with the person who said that when he plays "he looks like he's reaching Nirvana". I respect someone who pours his or her emotions into the music more than just watching someone with killer chops. Derek (and the other guys of course!) simply blew me away that night. -Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:07:40 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio To: "Michael J. Emerson" Subject: Re: New York and New Jersey shows... Message-ID: To my knowledge, there are no seats at the Trade Winds, it is just standing the whole time. Reach Damon Fibraio at email_address_removed keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:13:04 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: Angra trying to be DT??? Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > Are you talking about "Carry On" from HOLY LAND? If they're trying to Ooops... That should be Angels Cry. > sound like anybody, I think it sounds a lot like Helloween (Keeper of > the 7 Keys era). I guess Kai Hansen's involvement probably had a lot to > do with it. In any case, it totally kicks ass and would be a great > addition to any prog metal collection. Although I wouldn't call Angra prog metal, their first album was, as you all that have the album, done in conjunction with some people from Heaven's Gate and Gamma Ray (in other words, Kai from Helloween). BTW, have you ever seen the video for the song "Halloween"?? Ugh! []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:26:41 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: WF98, TLF/Eve, Message-ID: A funny comment I made to a friend about DT the other day: "Well, we had the 'Fix for '96', and they're only touring a little in '97, so guess if you want to see DT live, you can call this the 'WAIT FOR '98'!" ..Maybe you had to be there..... ----- >Well, now that I'm back at work I used my nice computer here to download >the MP3s of 'Eve' and 'To Live Forever'....man, they're great songs. Does >anybody know where I can get a hold of the singles that these are on? >Damn...beautiful songs. Can't argue with that assessment. As I mentioned, I used "Eve" at my wedding - got a rather positive reaction from most people. "Eve" is on the "Silent Man" CD single, "To Live Forever" is on the "Lie" single. AFAIK, both are now out of print. I've seen the TSM single several times in stores, but not recently. I've never seen the Lie single in stores - I bought mine from Mike Bahr at a YtseCon. ----- ____http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator Now Playing: Nothing - Work sucks. :) _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:03:23 -0500 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Eve Message-ID: >Can't argue with that assessment. As I mentioned, I used "Eve" at my wedding >- got a rather positive reaction from most people. Pat, you're a prick. My wedding is scheduled for June, and I was going to use Eve for the main dance (whatever it's called), where just me and the bride dance. Is that where you used it? I thought I had the perfect idea, and this goes to show how versatile DT is. I guess I'll just have to do one better, by hiring DT to come play it. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:11:35 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha To: email_address_removed Subject: FII tabs on PROG OR DIE !!! Message-ID: Hi A friend of mine, who is an excellen Guitar player, has done some transcriptions for FALLING INTO INFINITY. I will put them all online on PROG OR DIE but step by step. For now, the YOU NOT ME tab is online. Soon I will add Peruvian Skies and so on, because some of the tab are not finished yet. Mail me any suggestions and I will past them to my friend (Ardian). Just download the tab and let me know, if there are errors there. ------------------- BTW, my top 10 albums of the week : 1)Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity 2)Royal Hunt - 1996 3)Yngwie Malmsteen - Facing The Animal 4)Fates Warning - Parallels 5)Royal Hunt - Paradox 6)Enchant - A Blueprint Of The World 7)Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade Of Gray 8)Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene (24 bit digital remastered) 9)Jean Michel Jarre - Zoolook (24 bit digital remastered) 10)Tangerine Dream - Underwater Sunlight ARASH -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | email_address_removed.de | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3207 Message-ID: I had no *idea* I was so priviledged. I saw the Lie single a couple years ago, in the import/single bin at the local non-chain place, and I grabbed it because it was DT that I *hadn't seen before*. As far as I can tell, *all* the non-main releases are hard to come by. What coolness that I should happen upon the one that's even harder. And, it was only 12 dollars or so. josh email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:16:13 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3207 Message-ID: oh yeah, and as far as To Live Forever is concerend, I shit a brick the first time I heard it. It's not the *best* dream theater song, but it's up there, and it's definitely one of most interesting. It has....a quality. I could probably identify it if I like, knew stuff. josh email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:10:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" To: ytsejam Subject: rush/dt/angra, and disappointment Message-ID: Hello all, Probably like many others on the 'jam, I also subscribe to the nms, rush's mailing list. I never post, though, to that list, simply because I am entirely put off by the extremely arrogant web demeanor of so many of the people who frequently post. Recently, there's been lots of complaints on the list about too many people posting about dt-- something that blows my mind. The complaint usually reads something like, "hey, this is a rush list, no other bands here!" A bit more verbose, but you get the picture. Like I said, it bugs me, because it seems that a community of fans with common musical interests could share with each other along those lines. Along those same lines, so many rush fans who have heard dt point specifically to ToT, say what a disgustingly blatant ripoff of Xanadu, and dismiss dt. Leaving me dumbfounded--OK, I can hear similarities, but geez, there are substantial differences from one song ot the other, enough to make each one brilliant in its own right. But I pass that judgment off, because it does come from the nms, lots of people with good taste in music (at least as far as rush is concerned), but who are broadly too close-minded. Justifies my passing involvement with that list. And then angra comes up on this list. Yes, there are similarities between the two bands. However, the differences are vast. Vast enough to, when comparing Holy Land as a whole (the album that's been brought up lately, and the one I'm most familiar with by them) to any of dt's albums, largely eliminate any descriptions of angra as dt clones, ripoffs, whatever. Even then, though, although the rhythms, guitar parts, roles of the keyboard, etc., are all quite different from one band to the other, maybe someone can still have a leg to stand on when calling angra dt clones. Maybe. I haven't heard it yet, but I'll listen. And then someone comes along and says, well, I only heard some of the first song, they're dt clones. I'm struck how similar that is to the person on the nms who heard the beginning of ToT and said, hey, rush clones. How ridiculous. At least so many other people have stood up for angra in posts since then, so this close-minded pseudo-nms attitude can't be seen to represent a majority of this list. It's a shame it has to come up at all. Very disappointing. MATt (yet another...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:21:00 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha To: email_address_removed Subject: server down :-((((( Message-ID: Sorry but the uni server is down once again :-(((((((((((((( Prog Or Die will be online again as soon as possible. I think, I will move to geocities, since my server really sucks. Arash ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:29:02 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx To: "Blevins, Mike" Subject: RE: Angra trying to be DT??? Message-ID: > And as for Syrinx saying that he likes Altura, but just passes Angra off > as DT clones, I have to ask him - did you get the CD's reversed? :) Quite possibly! Yes, Altura sounds DT (although the singer -does- sound like the guy from Bonham...), but i'll RE-listen to Holy Land today. Just to make sure. :) * * * * * * * * e-mail: email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm maintainer of the genesis frequently asked questions list: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/genesis/genesis-faq.htm (c) 1997 Erotomania, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:35:14 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: rush/dt/angra, and disappointment Message-ID: > And then someone comes along and says, well, I only heard some of the > first song, they're dt clones. I'm struck how similar that is to the That someone was me, and I readily admit that I made a judgment based on a portion of one song. I also admitted, however, that I was willing to give Angra another chance, because I realiezd that my first impression may have been hasty. That's something you usually don't see on the NMS. People make up their minds and stick hard and fast to their opinions. As much as I love Rush, I wonder sometimes why I'm still subscribed to the NMS. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:46:36 -0800 (PST) From: Dark Tower To: email_address_removed Subject: asdf Message-ID: subscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:00:46 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker To: Images and Mails Cc: Jay Omega Subject: Re: MN spoilers; If that was you with the DAT... Message-ID: >Myung (who was right in front of me for the whole show, since he >doesn't move) should make more use of the Chapman Stick. He's >amazing with three fingers on his regular bass; he could probably >give JP a run for his money, speed-wise, with the stick, since >he can use all ten. :) Uh... do you mean he was using 3 fingers of his left (double bass derived fingering) or of his right hand? (I think the first bass player I came across who used 3 instead of 2 was Tim Bogert more than 15 years ago... I discussed w/my then teacher Norbert Doemling back then, who saw no big advantage in making this switch... it really has become more popular through Billy Sheehan and Robert Trujilo) Umm... actually you could use 5 fingers of your left hand as well in playing bass, whereby using you thumb esp. makes sense w/wider chord voicings... I think Percy Jones uses this technique quite a lot these days... Hmmm... 5 fingers of your right probably one could think of some weird two-hand tapping stuff :-) I agree on the Stick though, its sound is just unique... I just love this *huge* attack (like on New Millenium)... Heike ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3208 **************************