YTSEJAM Digest 3205 Today's Topics: 1) Tribute albums by "Christopher R. Merlo" 2) Pan-Thy-Monium by "Paul W. Cashman" 3) Atlanta/Southeast Fan Gatherum by "Paul W. Cashman" 4) Re: Misheard Lyrics by The Phoenix 5) Re: Angra trying to be DT??? by The Phoenix 6) ICQ YtseJam Chat! by YtseJim 7) Arghvark by email_address_removed 8) Fates dates... by "Brian Hayden" 9) Now I can bug you from THREE e-mail accounts =) by Neal Brown 10) OPETH and death vocals.. by Luke 11) 7 strings by Anna & Heike Boedeker 12) Therion-Theli by "Trevor W. Hoit" 13) Your Web Site's Findability by email_address_removed 14) Parody: "Geddy Lee" by Michael Bahr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 00:19:55 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Tribute albums Message-ID: > I was wondering why DT and Fates' labels dont care about them doing > tribute work on albums put out by other labels. A lot of the time the I don't know about Fates (maybe it's just because Metal Blade is so darned cool), but with Dream Theater, the deal is that it's not Dream Theater on these tributes. Derek here, Mike there, etc. They're not performing as the band, but as individual musicians. (I think I remember hearing somewhere that the band wanted to do something on some tribute as the band, but couldn't because of this very reason.) I'm sure it's the same (or a similar) situation as when Mike and JP go out doing clinics. They're not out there as "Members of Dream Theater," but just as "John" and "Mike." I think. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:36:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Pan-Thy-Monium Message-ID: [ Seroussi mentioned Pan-Thy-Monium ] Yes yes yes yes yes.... We play something off the _K&K_ CD every once in a while on WREKage (WREK-FM/Atlanta's metal show, Friday nights into Sat. mornings). I've never seen it at a store and only rarely on the Net from an online vendor, but you're right, it's intricate AND produced quite well. I'm really glad the station still has that CD (after numerous metal CDs were stolen recently), as it'd be damn difficult to replace! Good stuff, too. Not yer basic death-metal by any means. :) --Paul ("not a death metal fanatic, but I play one on the radio") -- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | email_address_removed | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... --+---- ICQ #4151223 -----+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Atlanta/Southeast Fan Gatherum Message-ID: Several folks have asked about something like this for us few-and-far-between fans in the Southeast. I'd be more than happy to coordinate pre- and/or post-show activities for any Atlanta gig that gets announced. I can accomodate several Jammers overnight here at the apartment and for any overflow, there are decent hotel rooms within a few blocks for < $40/night. I live within ten miles of downtown, so virtually any venue here won't be too far away. :) Phil Carter, we really need to get together sometime. Our musical tastes coincide rather remarkably. :) NP: Angra, HOLY LAND Next: Ozric Tentacles, ERPSONGS Prev: Ozric Tentacles, STRANGEITUDE -- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | email_address_removed | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... --+---- ICQ #4151223 -----+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:55:32 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Misheard Lyrics Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Ryan Good wrote: > Strike up your best angst ridden posture=strike up your best x-rated posture! heheh, that's what I heard, too. Imagine my relief when I looked at the lyrics! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:00:13 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Angra trying to be DT??? Message-ID: > Oh, *those* guys! :) Yeah, my very first impression of them was that they > were trying to recreate I&W. Now, I didn't give it much of a listen - maybe > the first 5 minutes of the first song - but that's what I got out of it. I > haven't heard anything by them since, so I don't know if I would feel > differently about their stuff now, but that's what I thought then. Yeah, I just listened to the CD. The first song (besides the short little mood-setting instruemental) does sound a bit like they could be trying to recreate I&W, but as the album progresses, so does their unique sound. -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | email_address_removed Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 01:10:47 -0500 From: YtseJim To: email_address_removed Subject: ICQ YtseJam Chat! Message-ID: I would just like to inform all ICQ users that there is a YtseJam chat room...currently there are 22 Members. Here is all the info you need to find us.... UIN: 3405684 Nick Name: &Ytsejam Looking forward to seeing some of you there...Take Care! -YtseJim Homepage: http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~lutz/front.htm Beyond Reality: http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~lutz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:24:54 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Arghvark Message-ID: > > 12/5 Jackhammers Schamberg IL WOOOOOO!!!!! This better be an 18+ venue this night, or I'm gonna have to find a way backstage! > From: Richard Banister > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: insanity > I _knew_ you would post some major NDTC eventually! Now wait a minute. Forgive my "Cop Out" and all of my masterful "Rhetoric" but I am sure I said "Any thread is cool for a while... even Spice Girls..." Anyways, Petrucci was mentioned. DTC fulfilled. :P > I agree. . . sort of. Reading music won't really help your technique, but > _understanding_ music will help your ability to exress yourself. I agree, but there are different methods of understanding. Some people can get beyond great, with only their ear to provide them with Theory. Holdsworth, Blues Saraceno, Marty Friedman... these guys are self taught, and not from books. > Back when I read GFTPM, Hahaha! You mean back when it was still for the Practicing Musician? > just about everybody would complain about how all these > bands would throw so much technique at you, that the song didn't really > mean anything. And yes, this is true, to an extent. These same people > would then knock musical study (in a magazine devoted to musical study.. > Go figure!), and claim that simplicty and emotion produced better songs. > Which is, umm.. probably true.. whatever turns them on, I guess. No... that's sort of paradoxical. It can't be better to know more and to know less. One or the other. :) I think it's better to know more, and to do more. > moral of the story is: technique is great to have, but without > songwriting, stupid people will hate you. Understanding the way music > works, like what intervals produce what kind of sounds (and thus > translation into emotion), will help your songwriting immensely (well, > it's helped mine). Whereas reading music won't help you shred. It will, > however, help you _immensely_ on the road to becomming a professoinal > musician (read: studio work, hiring out work).. . The ability to pick up > songs from sheet music in minutes is invaluable. . . Well, as a player who's been at it for over 9 years now, I can say that theory knowledge is not necessary if you can train your ear, and keep yourself from doing the same things over and over. To expand out of a narrow scope of playing styles though, one must either have an AMAZING ear or a good background in music. And that, folks is the last you'll hear from me on this issue unless you want to discuss it in private e-mail. :) > I thought that's what 'fire garden' was. just kidding. . .although the > songs he sings on make me want to thread his mouth shut with his low > b-string. Stick to playing, dude. . . OUCH! I LOVE his voice! > > I've owned). But I'm honored to have a mode named after me. Is it > > anything like Lydian? :) I'm still trying to figure out the Demented > > more like A-hole-ian. ;) Figuratively, suck my ass. :) > > Beware of Sarcasm :) > > and don't take it too seriously ;) LOL! And just to add my note about the Transformers movie, I wouldn't KNOW if it had a prog soundtrack... why? Because my friend's mom tricked us and took us to a Yogi Bear cartoon or something like that instead, because she didn't want us to be exposed to all of the "violence". We were PISSED once the movie started. :P - Chris Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 00:47:11 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Cc: Brian D Hayden Subject: Fates dates... Message-ID: > Here are the confirmed tour dates as of 11/4/97, via Metal Blade > Records: > > > > 12/5 Jackhammers Schamberg IL > > 12/12 Daytonas Riviera Beach MD Look at that, two of the three towns I've lived in...too bad I'm in the other one of the three now. Riviera Beach? WTF?? Why are they playing that two bit podunk hicksville? No offense, I loved it there, but I can't imagine they'd draw many people. -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 00:59:08 -0600 From: Neal Brown To: email_address_removed Subject: Now I can bug you from THREE e-mail accounts =) Message-ID: >This is more like it! Someone who enjoys listening to music for what >it is and not for what it should be. WTF?? Okay, I've listened to mucho death metal. And I STILL don't like the non-vocals. I'm sorry I don't meet your approval. Jeez. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean I haven't listened to them. > I've always thought those two Metallica albums were very similar in >structure to classical music, particularly Justice. Hmmm...yeah, Puppets and Justice have a lot of the fast-slow-fast stuff...Puppets, Orion (sorta), Blackened...I wouldn't say Metallica is as compositionally complex as some classical *can* get...obviously, some of it isn't that complicated. I'd also say Metallica owes a lot to Led Zeppelin and Lynyrd Skynryrd structurally...heh heh. Look at the forms of Freebird and Stairway to Heaven, then look at Fade To Black, Welcome Home, and One. I mean *lol* I heard a DJ describe that as the "orgasm form"...starts off slow, ends fast...hehehehe >Also, how 'bout Yes' Close to the Edge? I think you can >definitely hear the structural and compositional similarities to >classical music here. Duh. ;) Yes and ELP have some pretty obvious classical influences. (And if you weren't aware Keith Emerson was classically trained, he reminds you every other phrase or so.) >Beware of Sarcasm :) Sarcasm? What's that? Sounds nasty...is it curable? Do you have to see a specialist or anything? =P >that through re-arrangement and interpretation, one may actually find >themselves involved little bits of composition here and there, >creating something which has a life unto itself alongside the already >existing, complementing it, embellishing it, loving it, touching it, >and finally ending it with a period. ;) Arranging can be cookie-cutterish or it can be interesting...same with covering. If you wanna play it note for note, go ahead. But if you want to get wacky with something, then it can get interesting, and yeah, it's possible to get into composition...say you take a piece in a major scale and (because you're on crack) you decide it would sound better in the whole-tone scale, which has one less scale degree than major...heh heh...do you see where I'm going? >I think it's the level of overall effort that dictates how great or >who miserable you are at the instrument. I know it has ZILCH to do >with how well you can read/write music. I'd say that this varies from person to person. I know learning music theory *definitely* helped me with my instrument but it might not help everyone. And yeah, most people think they're god's gift to their instrument so they emulate the real wizards and never deign to practice...it takes a rare talent to be able to sit down and just *do* anything because you're so good. Most people hafta really work at it. Re drumsticks: using anything other than wood is to stray from the path of goodness. ;) Seriously, I hate nylon tips. They sound nice on your ride cymbal until you do a rim shot and the fucker just splits at the top and now you have an expensive toothpick. =P >MM is alternative...mainstream crap music alternative...he ain't got >anything to do with metal... Can I clarify this? *lol* When I compared Manson to death metal, I was *exaggerating.* MM is nothing more than a circus freak, and he'll be gone in, oh, say three years. I guess he;ll go flip burgers or something. MM emulates death metal, and he tries really hard, but he fails really hard too. >Portnoy, was, well... Portnoy. :) Tighter than Carl Pohlad's wallet. >He stood up behind the kit to smile and point at the crowd every >opportunity he got... and had us breaking up during the Ytsejam solo, >using his forehead as an instrument. :) >to talk/bang on toms at the same time, and James shot him a bemused >look, and dryly told the crowd "It's like having Animal from the >fuckin' Muppets behind you"... Mike grinned and soloed louder. :) And you thought he got into all those drummer magazines cuz of his chops...nope, he's got an overdeveloped sense of humor, something unique among us drummers ;D Re the Transformers thread: one of my roommates is a cartoon officiando. The Cartoon Network is always on in the room, since he pays for cable (I don't ever watch TV, except for ESPN every once in a very long while). The man has Aladdin bedsheets, and an Esmerelda-shaped pillow. He's got no less than two CDs that are wholly made of up music from Sesame Street. One time he was sitting there SINGING ALONG with something from one of them with one of my other roommates' girlfriend (total preppie bimbo stereotypical music-is-wallpaper type, I swear) and I made a snobby, elitist "pissing match" ;) comment, like "what kind of basket case comes up with these songs?" He looked at me like a martyr and goes "obviously a genius, since it educates children so well!" I decided to leave the room would be better than pointing out that he is a junior comp sci major in college so he obviously wasn't listening to C is for Cookie for educational value... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 17:08:48 +1000 From: Luke To: ytsejam Subject: OPETH and death vocals.. Message-ID: I'd just like to make my last input on this topic. Sorry about my last post, I saw in the end of the digest and it's pretty f**ked. Anyway... When Neal Brown said death vocals where all just theatrics, that pretty much summed up what I was getting at. They just sound so artificial and comical it’s hard for me to take them seriously. I suppose I’m influenced by the connotations associated with death vocals and those connotations are perceived differently by different people. To me, hearing death vocals makes me think of demonic, Satanist bands like Cradle Of Filth etc., and the melodramatic nonsense they carry on with. That’s why I made the comparison with the...[ahem] werewolf (probably a bad choice), and all the vampires/‘creature of the night’ stuff they refer to. For a band to adopt that kind of image, IMHO, just seems so spurious. I cannot be fair when it comes to these themes in music. When I hear James Labrie or Ray Alder sing however, there’s no perceptions of extra characterisations or themes in their voice. It’s just a simply awesome vocal sound. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with a vocalist adding some uniqueness or ‘character’ to their voice, just that ‘character’ in a literal sense can sound....well, silly. Especially if there is some sort of theme one associates with it, even if it IS, or IS NOT what the vocalist is intending to do. It’s comical and hard to take seriously. That is of course, as always, IMHO. That’s why I made the reference to Hanson and John Arch, to me they sound like they’re imitating cartoon characters or small farm animals when they sing. Others will disagree, that’s OK, each to their own, it’s about how *you* perceive the vocals. I really love Russell Allen’s voice, from Symphony X, but friends of mine reckon *he* sounds like a death singer ?!?...I try to tell them different, yet that’s how they hear it, therefore it turns ‘em off the music cause they hate death vocals too. Any death/doom metal fans reading this are probably spitting shit right now, I know death vocals are widely used enough to be considered a genuine form of singing, but unfortunately, I just can’t give them any respect they deserve. This is getting pretty abstract and has probably gone way off topic judging from some of the recent posts. IMHO, Opeth are an excellent band instrumentally, definitely unique and interesting to listen to, but the death vocals prevent me from fully appreciating what the music has to offer. Their style of death vocals most likely have *nothing* to do with the sort of stuff full-on Satanic bands try to convey, but the close similarities in sound constantly arise and that’s what leads me to my opinion. Luke. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:50:40 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker To: email_address_removed Subject: 7 strings Message-ID: > Live, at the Chicago show, John played it on the 7 string, but I >didn't notice (didn't think enough to pay attention) if he used the >low B string. I'd like to find out... anyone think they can pay >attention to that live? If so, know that he now has a Black and >White Piccasso 6 string, that looks just like his 7 string, except >that the headstock on the 6 string is black, and that on the 7 string >is white, so make sure to know which guitar he's using by something >other than just the design... watch the strings and the tuning pegs! Anyone happening to know whether the 7 string still only is available as custom order, and whether it has the same PU configuration (i.e. are there 7 string variants of DiM Air Norton and Steve's Special?) as the 6 string? I've seen that Ibanez plans to introduce some 7 strings to the market in early 1998, but it only was several models based on the Universe, an arched top, as well as a Jumbo. Heike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:53:17 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Therion-Theli Message-ID: >It's a CD by a band called Therion, bearing the title of "Theli". For >anyone who hasn't heard it, buy it! It's FANTASTIC, IMO. >Definitely check it out. It rocks! And if you've heard it, I >would like to know your opinion. I LOVE this disc. I like the operatic vocals much better than the growly vocals on their previous cd, "Lepaca Kliffoth". They also have another one in the store, but I haven't heard anything about it. Another good one to check out is Rage-Lingua Mortis, which is Rage backed with a symphony orchestra. Totally cool, IMO. >Trevor > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 02:54:47 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Your Web Site's Findability Message-ID: Would you like to improve your website's "findability" in the Search Engines? During the past year, my company has placed over 100 webpages into the Top Ten -- the front page -- of the major search engines... and, for a small fee, I am willing to show you exactly how we did it. My name is Stephen Mahaney. I am the president of Planet Ocean Communications. 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"The only thing a man can take beyond this lifetime is his ethics" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 04:27:25 -0700 From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Parody: "Geddy Lee" Message-ID: Thanks to Brandon for the title suggestion. And to Kevin: whoa man, I'm starting to feel kinda hated here! "GEDDY LEE" - to the tune of "Anna Lee" Weinrib child They invite your hands to fill their needs Will you change your name You're in denial Alex changed from Zi-vo-ji-no-vic To the simpler "Lifeson" Trying to play the keys And also sing And play bass strings... You don't wanna sing "Freewill" in E You don't know if the mic will hit your nose You keep holding on Holding on to you Can't deny your birth But you can't sound like a dork A shorter name will work... Geddy Lee. The Camera's Eyes the Vital Signs a Mid-town Dream within Now I think I'm going bald So Stick It Out and get out there and rock, and Roll The Bones Get Busy, that video called... Trying to sing Tears The Trilogy of Fear Or Hemispheres You can't sing the 2112 in tune The Rush fans say your voice is all but gone You keep coming back Coming back to start Men who hold high places They all gotta do their part Closer to the Heart Geddy Lee!! And now it's time for Neil's big fill Playin' that riff from Time Stand Still And Alex plays so right In Fly By Night That the show just can't end yet tonight... Virtuality and Why-Why-Zee You'll play The Trees You're a modern warrior, stride is mean Today's Tom Sawyer ends the show alone You keep playing on Bass and keys, and song Al and Neil are here After 24 long years in a Wilderness of Mirrors with Geddy Lee... -- -Mike Bahr/Prism Records email_address_removed -http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3205 **************************