YTSEJAM Digest 3204 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3201 by email_address_removed 2) Confirmed Fates Warning Tour dates as of 11/4/97 by Michael Kizer 3) insanity by Richard Banister 4) Milwaukee Show/Easton sticks by "J. Cohen" 5) Re: Death Metal, Classical Music, vocals & Therion by Rogerio Brito 6) Re: role of vocals by Michael Burstin 7) HY and voices on YnM by Aaron R Olson 8) random replies... by Steve Zebrowski 9) The historical Chicago show by "D. Frantz" 10) Lame Parody by Kevin Madden 11) Misheard Lyrics by Ryan Good 12) Minneapolis by "Todd O. Klindt" 13) Re: Angra trying to be DT??? by "Christopher R. Merlo" 14) Lines in the Sand by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:12:23 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3201 Message-ID: > Heh. I think Mike's dyslexia is acting up again. He *must* be talking > about Altura and not Angra. Angra sounds about as much like Dream > Theater as Pantera sounds like Yanni. :) This was my assumption as well, because I thought Mike liked Angra, and I can't hear a similarity either. I figured that if that's not the case, I'm not touching this with a ten foot chubby and a piece of green yarn. > From: "Blevins, Mike" > Subject: RE: Metallica, death metal, opinions, and sarcasm. Wow, cool. I was somewhat concerned that you would have taken that post the wrong way, seeing as I've been getting attacked here by some individual (okay, one individual. :). I'm glad you got my meaning though. > I never said he wasn't correct - I merely said he was not addressing the > same subject I was. C'mon, Chris, I'm a little hotheaded at times, but > you know me better than that. Gotcha. I sort of misread YOUR point. > >> To get a response like this, however, is ridiculous - it's an exercise > >> in comparison snobbery. Considering your comments on death metal - most > >> of which DERIVES from Metallica > >> > > > > No... here I draw the line. I would never... NEVER EVER defend > >Metallica. I'd rather hear Steve Vai fart any day than hear Metallica > >play their "complex" music (which I must have somehow missed in the albums > >I've owned). > > That was a comment on the style of my post, not an insinuation that you > like Metallica. :) But it goes directly against the very fiber of my being to stand up for Metallica, and if you use my name when defending them... okya I'll shut up. :) > >Beware of Sarcasm :) > > Do you have this sign in you front yard? You probably should... :) When I do get my own front yard, you will see that very sign. :) Next to the rotting corpse of Alaskan Starlit "Jewel" (hey, ya gotta pick and choose your lawn ornaments well... no price on a good lawn) - HatMan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:08:09 -0700 From: Michael Kizer To: "email_address_removed (Parallels List)" , Subject: Confirmed Fates Warning Tour dates as of 11/4/97 Message-ID: Here are the confirmed tour dates as of 11/4/97, via Metal Blade Records: > > 11/29 Whiskey Hollywood CA > 11/30 Club Kaos Fremont CA > 12/5 Jackhammers Schamberg IL > 12/6 Annies Cincinnati, OH > 12/7 JD's Macomb Theatre Mount Clemmons MI > 12/9 Coney Island High New York City NY > 12/10 Club Bene Morgan NJ > 12/11 Alternate Route Boston MA > 12/12 Daytonas Riviera Beach MD > 12/13 Jaxx W. Springfield VA > 12/14 Outer Edge Marietta GA > 12/16 Bricktown Live Oklahoma City, OK > 12/18 The Abyss Houston TX > 12/19 Galaxy Club Dallas TX > 12/21 The Mason Jar Phoenix AZ For the complete list (including tentative dates) see: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw/fw.htm -- .----------------------------------------------------------------------. | ~Michael Kizer ---<***>--- Tucson, Arizona | email_address_removed | | URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer | email_address_removed | | \\_ Fates Warning - Island in the Stream _// | email_address_removed | | // Dream Theater - "Unofficial" Song Book \\ +-----------------------| | ~Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit~ | ICQ UIN# 2070538 | | ..oOo.. Mirabilis World-Wide Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2070538 | *----------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:19:59 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Banister To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: insanity Message-ID: > From: Christopher Ptacek > Subject: No way, uh uh, not even I _knew_ you would post some major NDTC eventually! > guitarist who is learning all of his theory and working on sight reading > now, I can say that it isn't making an impact at ALL on my technical > playing. I really believe that when it comes to guitar, you have to I agree. . . sort of. Reading music won't really help your technique, but _understanding_ music will help your ability to exress yourself. Back when I read GFTPM, just about everybody would complain about how all these bands would throw so much technique at you, that the song didn't really mean anything. And yes, this is true, to an extent. These same people would then knock musical study (in a magazine devoted to musical study.. Go figure!), and claim that simplicty and emotion produced better songs. Which is, umm.. probably true.. whatever turns them on, I guess. The moral of the story is: technique is great to have, but without songwriting, stupid people will hate you. Understanding the way music works, like what intervals produce what kind of sounds (and thus translation into emotion), will help your songwriting immensely (well, it's helped mine). Whereas reading music won't help you shred. It will, however, help you _immensely_ on the road to becomming a professoinal musician (read: studio work, hiring out work).. . The ability to pick up songs from sheet music in minutes is invaluable. . . I think that last paragraph made sense.. > > get in a complexity pissing match. > > But then, you're involved in the "pissing match" too. You can't > use the Abel technique of "Since I accused you of it first, I am immune to > my own accusations." whoa. . this is weird. . Chris P. stepping into an argument for me? It's like deja vu, except, he's me, and I'm Seroussi and Mike's Chris. .. can't handle it. .brain.. shuttting down. . . > Metallica. I'd rather hear Steve Vai fart any day than hear Metallica ^^^^^^^^^ I thought that's what 'fire garden' was. just kidding. . .although the songs he sings on make me want to thread his mouth shut with his low b-string. Stick to playing, dude. . . > I've owned). But I'm honored to have a mode named after me. Is it > anything like Lydian? :) I'm still trying to figure out the Demented more like A-hole-ian. ;) just kidding.. . > Beware of Sarcasm :) and don't take it too seriously ;) figuratively, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:40:12 -0800 From: "J. Cohen" To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Milwaukee Show/Easton sticks Message-ID: Hey guys, I'm not going to duplicate what everyone else set, but the Milwaukee show last night kicked ass, as usual. Portnoy's solo was shorter than usual, but his custom snare (with the pedal-operated throw off) was awesome! It was also cool how they tossed in a bar or two of the older songs to keep us on our toes (like from Mirror to TTT back into ACoS). To top it all off, MP caught the tape I tossed him at the end of the show (my band Carpe Noctem)! Also, to the person who was asking about Easton drumsticks a couple jams ago, I don't recommend them at all. The feel isn't that great, and I had a bad experience with them. From left-hand rimshots, I wore down the rubber coating to the metal on one of the sticks and didn't notice it. This bare metal caused me to crack a cymbal, which is something I definitely don't need from a pair of sticks. Jordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:35:35 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Death Metal, Classical Music, vocals & Therion Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, George Tryfonas wrote: > I was reading the discussion going on in the past few jams, concerning > death vocals, the relation of metal and classical music and all that. I > have one band in mind, and especially one CD of theirs, which combines > Death/Thrash Metal, classical arrangements and features a large choir of > sopranos. > > It's a CD by a band called Therion, bearing the title of "Theli". Yes, I have this disc, motivated by Ernesto Schnack (thank ya for that trade, it kicked sooo much ass: Opeth + Therion in just one tape). But I tried to show it to some friends (hi, Marcelo, hi, Cassiano) and none of them showed the most remote interest. :-) Those guys don't appreciate opera. :-) BTW, I don't see any differences between operatic vocals and death/black metal vocals (well, it's poorly written -- of course I *can* notice the differences, but they are playing the same roles in different kind of music). BTW2, do any of you music trained 'jammers know the origin of operatic vocals??? I mean, why were they "invented" and in which occasion?? > George []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:35:25 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: role of vocals Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:26:00 -0500 > From: "Tedesco, Matthew" > Subject: role of vocals, DT mix, etc. > > Well, that might be a bit harsh; it seems more a matter of taste. In > some sense, yes, vocals are just another instrument. Or as a friend of > mine from college put it, "all vocals besides Geoff Tate's suck anyway, > so I pretty much disregard 'em all." OK, that's *really* harsh. But in > truth, vocals are on the whole the most... unavoidable aspect of most of > the music industry. Less so in prog and metal than popcrap, but still > they sit prominently in the mix, and when we unfold most cases, we don't > get sheet music, we get lyrics. Truly bad vocals--I will always use > Bruford's Gradually Going Tornado as an example, but there are plenty > more, depending on your tastes, can sometimes simply cannot be avoided, > and so goes the overall enjoyment of the music.... > I think I have to agree here... there are a few prog bands that I can't stand to listen to because of the vocals... even though the music sounds amazing... the vocals just kill it... -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: email_address_removed Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:41:37 -0400 From: Aaron R Olson To: email_address_removed Subject: HY and voices on YnM Message-ID: Hey 'jammers: >does anybody know what are the voices that can barely heard at the end of >You not Me? is this someone talking or is it a sample from a movie or >something? >I thought FII didnt have any samples.... >Please let me know (the voices are very low, you may need to turn up the >volume to heard them, I do not understand what are they saying though) I hear what may be voices, but they're unintelligible (I don't know what they are or even if they are voices). Question (that's not in the FAQ): Why does JL sing out of tune (sharp) in the interlude in Hollow Years? "Carry me to the shore*line* Bury me *in* the *sand* *Walk me across* the water And maybe you'll understand" The words with the *...* around them indicate the really bad parts. Is this due to some influence to another band that I am missing? What say you, oh jammers of the 'Ytse? L8R double a ___ ___ ___ --|-----|-----|-- / |\ | /| \ | | \ | / | | | | \ /|\ / | | Dream | | / \|/\ | | Theater | | / | \ | | \--|-----|-----|--/ _|_ _|_ _|_ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ |"Double A" "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only | |(Aaron Olson) begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should | | not perish, but have everlasting life"| |Mount Allison Univeristy -John 3:16 | |http://members.tripod.com/~Double_A/ | \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:54:18 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: random replies... Message-ID: > > i'll stick with rush, thanks. :) > > > > Stick with the tried and true huh? That's not very progressive of you... Can I get an "Amen", brothers? :) > And the explicit death scenes! Dealing with the death of optimus prime: > everyone I know cried at that scene when they first saw it! It was so > sad. . . I didn't cry, but I have to admit that that scene was EXTREMELY well done--moving and powerful. When I wathc it now, I think I may get a bit misty sometimes. Maybe it's the maturity. ..naaaaahh. I found "Transformers: The Movie" at Sam Goody for $10 a few years ago. Unfortunately, it is the edited version in which Spike does NOT say: "Ah, shit, bumblebee, what do we do now?" :) Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:15:11 -0600 (CST) From: "D. Frantz" To: email_address_removed Subject: The historical Chicago show Message-ID: >I'd have to say that it must have been just about one of the best >shows they've ever done--at least in the U.S. As I said before, that was >the most I've ever seen a crowd get into any show (including Metallica >shows), and the most fun I believe I've ever seen a band have onstage. >I'm so glad I was able to attend such a historic musicfest My feelings exactly! I think our crowd was even more hyped than the one I was part of when I saw Rush play 2112 this summer. Definitely a perfect show for my 1st time seein them. Keep puttin on the Majestic nights boys, and try to swing thru Iowa next year (hint, hint, Mike)! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:13:18 -0500 From: Kevin Madden To: email_address_removed Subject: Lame Parody Message-ID: The Shilling Man Sent to the list this time and all A boot or two that you should buy Between the flames and crap the pitch does fall Selling us some product, he will try remembering the outrageous price but a discount or break I am not knowing who were the suckers? what prompted the Shilling Man that caused this spamming? getting over No cash on delivery, you see? for Christmas I'd send you a lump of coal for cash in my pocket I send the bill crappy sound quality? to you it's "sold" the e-mails come back and oh! your check ain't signed through many an hourglass runs the sand realization, Christ on a Crutch! and now we will begin to Understand promised to you yesterday this sucks the root, what's the game? waiting and waiting and waiting still No sound, a nasty e-mail I am sending Flames He ain't answerin'... counting the cash the postman brings yet another to add, more suckers bawling it's not comin' ya know on the floor he rolls, this Shilling Man that caused this mourning Has one been put over? (on me) Evil genius, this attractive spam Mercy, he taped our favorite band! Will he ever fail? Send my package in the mail! As one we all must make a stand Sending him a check, I was dumb Waiting for my disc I hold the phone He cashed my check What in the heck?!!? I can't stop the Shilling Man When I go back again Is it still the same? I could stop the check I am on to his game His wife is calling me ASAP, your name - return! what a freakin' hoser was it really worth this crap, was I burned? I'm in the galley and doorbell chimes I hear race toward the door to find that no package appears no disc I have now of our favorite band set your blasters to stun Let's get the Shilling Man ================================== Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat - Detroit Red Wings 7-2 11-2-2 vs Rams at Carolina Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:34:24 -0600 From: Ryan Good To: email_address_removed Subject: Misheard Lyrics Message-ID: Strike up your best angst ridden posture=strike up your best x-rated posture! _____________________________________________________ Brought to You by Jeffery's Mamma, Martin and Wood." _____________________________________________________ Ryan Good - Music Stapher from WSUM - Madison's idea of College Radio! - The Unofficial-Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206 "Madison Student Radio: It's coming!" WSUM/MSR Homepage: http://msr.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:52:18 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" To: email_address_removed Subject: Minneapolis Message-ID: Hello all, Thought I'd better put my 2 cents worth in about the Minneapolis show. It was really awesome. I saw them there in '94 and this was a thousand time better. They were all really cool after the show. MP kept asking folks if they were on the Jam or not. I thought that rocked. When I spoke up and told him I was he told me to post something so that folks would start bringing printouts. He seemed pretty desperate. He was also promoting Mike Bahr's stuff and the Seven Wonders CD. He really is a class act. Jay Omega: I was standing right in front of Myung too, what were you wearing. I was wearing a KISS tour shirt and I had my girlfriend with me. I was just to the right of some big guy wearing a white shirt and a blue hat. To the guy that has pics: I might be interested in looking at some of those, drop me a line. love and kisses, todd ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 00:10:47 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Angra trying to be DT??? Message-ID: > In March, D-Man and I were on route to see Finneus Gauge at Orion > Studios in Baltimore. I had previously picked up "Holy Land" and when i > placed it in the portable CD-Player we had, Mr. Merlo said "You know, i > like this band the first time they came out...when they were known as > dream theater." Oh, *those* guys! :) Yeah, my very first impression of them was that they were trying to recreate I&W. Now, I didn't give it much of a listen - maybe the first 5 minutes of the first song - but that's what I got out of it. I haven't heard anything by them since, so I don't know if I would feel differently about their stuff now, but that's what I thought then. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:19:08 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Lines in the Sand Message-ID: Hey, I need a big favor from someone at the next couple DT shows. At clinics, supposedly Petrucci plays LITS on a 6 string (and I know that can be done, because I play it on both 6 and 7). On the album, though, I think I hear a low D every once in a while. Live, at the Chicago show, John played it on the 7 string, but I didn't notice (didn't think enough to pay attention) if he used the low B string. I'd like to find out... anyone think they can pay attention to that live? If so, know that he now has a Black and White Piccasso 6 string, that looks just like his 7 string, except that the headstock on the 6 string is black, and that on the 7 string is white, so make sure to know which guitar he's using by something other than just the design... watch the strings and the tuning pegs! Thanks! Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3204 **************************