YTSEJAM Digest 3203 Today's Topics: 1) New buyings, concert updates, NDTC by Marcelo Vanzin 2) Re: Black, Death and Pohjola by "Toni Maki" 3) MN spoilers; If that was you with the DAT... by Jay Omega 4) Re: Angra by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 5) Powermad Festival by email_address_removed 6) Death Metal, Classical Music, vocals & Therion by George Tryfonas 7) Re: Angra by Syrinx 8) ANGRA from Brazil by "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" 9) Re: Wacker Blvd. in Chicago by Jay Omega 10) whoa, nelly! by Richard Banister 11) Majesty symbol by The Phoenix 12) Re: Powermad Festival by Cappy 13) corpses. .. by Richard Banister ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:54 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin To: Freaks R Us Subject: New buyings, concert updates, NDTC Message-ID: Hey there jammandois, I just went downtown again today, trying to find the "Merry Axemas" CD, without success again... :-( Anyway, I ran through Savatage's "The Wake of Magellan", and bought it. A very nice CD, you can hear Savatage in every minute of the album. I don't think it is as good as "Dead Winter Dead" (which I really LOVE), but the songs are great, beautiful, and, as always, the lyrics are amazing. My faves are "The Wake of Magellan", and "The Hourglass". Now for the concert updates... On this Thursday, Stratovarius (hehehe... I bought their "Episode" album, which simply RULZ, and some asswipe mistyped their name... "Stratovasrius"... :) That also happens in one of my Running Wild's albuns, but with song names...) will be playing an acoustic show at Columbia (that beer house...) Tickets are $35, and I won't be spending that... damn, I really would like to see that. Tomorrow they'll be making an autograph night at the Manifesto bar. And, on friday, the show itself, at the "Teatro dos Vampiros". As you may already know, Angra will not be playing anyomre on Skol Rock on the 15th. Dr. Sin will be replacing them. And it seems it won't be at the Canindé anymore, but at the Ibirapuera. Anyway, the other bands are Scorpions, Bruce Dickinson, Dio and Jason Bonham Band. I think that'd be it for now. -- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* email_address_removed *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:46:04 +0200 From: "Toni Maki" To: Subject: Re: Black, Death and Pohjola Message-ID: Roger: >I agree with Paul here, since Marylin Hanson :-) is just >a tentative of Industrial Metal trying to sell ya the image >of a Black Metal band. If you wanna hear some real >Black Metal, give Emperor a try. I've only heard their >newest album once, but it was very cool. If you think Emperors newest album is cool, you should get a copy of their first one. That REALLY kicks ass! The only song in this newest album that can be compared to the ones in their first (At the Nightside Eclipse) is "With Strenght I Burn". AtNE is much more melodical and IMHO much darker too, and the only Black Metal band that can reach the same level with Emperor is Dimmu Borgir (I know lots of ppl will disagree with me. Tough luck:). Anyway, I'd like to add my share to the conversation about metal and classical music. Many BL bands have classical influences but usually they cannot be heard at the first listening. The problem is that most of ppl never give Black Metal a second (for the shitty sounds, shitty vocals or shitty hail satan -attitude) chance. Cristopher: >I don't know any death metal musician who would >agree with you on this in the least bit. From the >professionals to the garage bands. Look into the >background of death metal if you care... I think you'll see >that Metallica isn't a direct influence... certainly not a >primary influence on the death sound. Have you ever heard of "Metal Militia- a Tribute to Metallica"? Full of death metal bands playing Metallica Covers. But ok. You may be right about that Metallica isn't the primary influence on death metal but at least it has a lot of second hand influence. Death metal musicians often name Venom as *the* band but isn't it so that the early Slayer has had most influence on death metal? Well... I think these were my main subjects... but still one more thing. I dare you, no I DOUBLE DARE you to find some albums of Pekka Pohjola! The best prog musician from Finland, the best bass player from Scandinavia. ( I know I'm asking for trouble, but so what. Try to get some of his music before you flame me :) Toni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:10:31 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Omega To: Just Words Subject: MN spoilers; If that was you with the DAT... Message-ID: ..at First Avenue, we need to talk. I wanna copy! :) Anyway, some comments on the show: ..SPOILER SPACE... Disclaimer first; this was my 1st DT concert (poor, deprived li'l ol' me.) Big Wreck: Actually pretty good blues/grunge/rock. The lead guitar/ vocalist and bassist were great, but the boys need to buy some stage presence. The bassist spent about half the time with his back to us, looking at the drummer. Probably to keep him in time; he wasn't exactly awesome. Though he probably just had a serious inferiority complex with Portnoy's kit (under a black dropcloth) looming over him the whole time. :) Nobody in the crowd was giving them shit, so they were nice to us swell Minnesota people. ;) They paused halfway through their set to thank DT for bringing them along on the tour. Fans go nuts; someone yells "DT Rules!"; Singer answers "You don't need to tell me, man. We listen to 'em sound check every day."; guy yells "I envy you!"; singer smiles and intro's the next tune. So they do have some humility, despite what I heard about Chicago. Unreleased DT: was too damn quiet! Could barely make it out, and I was in the second row of people in front of the stage, almost right under the right-side speaker. What I heard was cool, though. DT: what can I say that hasn't been said already? The collective 'thump' from the upper midwest Sunday night was DT kicking all our asses. :) I don't recall the whole setlist, but we heard Scarred, NM, PSkies, BMS, TAMP, JLMB, LITS (for the 'echoed' lines in the chorus, Petrucci sang James's part, and James sang Doug's part), Ytsejam (w/medium-length drum solo), PMU (mic-over-the-crowd bit), UAGM, Voices, ACOS (the usual bits spread thru the setlist), and bits and pieces of other stuff to stitch some of it together. The encore was Metropolis Part II (kidding! it was part I...); they started up a recording of it, and the band ran back out and just sort of "blended in". I couldn't pick out the point where they finally cut the recording. The mixing was near-perfect, but Myung got buried under Portnoy's kickdrums a little too often. The crowd was really in to it, and clapping/cheering/singing along quite a lot, so this was either the best show or the worst show to try to bootleg, depending on where you were standing. And stage presence! Man! James and John P. were _everywhere_. There was about three feet between the stage and the crowd (there was a stage-height fence on the floor; bouncers stood between the stage and the fence), John would come right up the edge, kneel/squat down, and play his amazing riffs right in our faces. Cool. He got up on Derek's keyboard riser and played over his shoulder during the Metropolis-esqe 'matching solos', as well. Anyone yet to see the show who still doubts DS as a replacement for KM won't be doubting anymore... he was right on. (Everyone else was too, of course.) He had keys on both the left and right sides of his riser, with nothing in front to block the crowd's view of him. He played one from each side while facing us quite often, with a pose and facial expression somewhere between "I'm being crucified" and "I'm about to achieve Nirvana." (Is that the first time Nirvana has been mentioned in a positive light on this list? :-) I didn't see anything of James's "fairy dancing" that he supposedly did during the last few tours. He left the stage for a few minutes at a time during the biggest instrumental parts, which I believe was usually his time to break out the dancing shoes... I can see, though, where people would fear his mic stand... he does whip it around the stage quite a bit. (Luckily, we had that buffer zone full of bouncers, so he didn't hit the crowd. :) If his voice was still bothering him, it didn't really show. The only thing he did sufficiently different from the album tracks was holding on to some high notes, rather than modulating down from them. Myung (who was right in front of me for the whole show, since he doesn't move) should make more use of the Chapman Stick. He's amazing with three fingers on his regular bass; he could probably give JP a run for his money, speed-wise, with the stick, since he can use all ten. :) Portnoy, was, well... Portnoy. :) Tighter than Carl Pohlad's wallet. He stood up behind the kit to smile and point at the crowd every opportunity he got... and had us breaking up during the Ytsejam solo, using his forehead as an instrument. :) During the close of the show, when James was doing the "we'll be back" "you've been a great crowd" bit, Mike was doing a tasteful bit of quiet soloing, and going nuts when the crowd cheered their responses. They got off sync and tried to talk/bang on toms at the same time, and James shot him a bemused look, and dryly told the crowd "It's like having Animal from the fuckin' Muppets behind you"... Mike grinned and soloed louder. :) Merchandise: They had some black-n-blue hats with a technicolor infinity sign on the front. OK, but nothing special. I didn't get one; they seller's table closed up right after the concert. Post-show: First Avenue turned back into the alternative dance club that it usually is, and ten thousand body-pierced, differently- hairstyled weirdos came out of the woodwork to gyrate on the floor. I lost track of most of the jammers, so I went home after getting 3 of the 5 to autograph my CD booklet. Never did see JM after the show, and JLB excused himself too quickly. Oh well, I'll get 'em when they come back next year. Biggest surprise for the newbie: they're kinda small guys! The pic inside the Awake jacket makes 'em all look about six-foot- four/200 pounds. Behind that giant six-string bass, Myung looks like he weighs about a buck-twenty-five. :) I guess everyone just assumes their favorite actors/musicians/etc are giants, eh? --Jay "will be in abject awe for the next month or so" Omega --NP: FII ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:12:32 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Angra Message-ID: On the Eve of Destruction, Syrinx said: > > I disagree (that -is- still my right, last time i checked) with >the above statement. i find holy land to be, well, sounding like dt >then again, i don't like aspog either, so what the hell do i know? > Nuff said, you crack smoker :) Maybe Mike, if you actually listened to those discs, you might hear em... > i'll stick with rush, thanks. :) > Stick with the tried and true huh? That's not very progressive of you... -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: email_address_removed #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:21:19 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Powermad Festival Message-ID: << Anyone know much about the Powermad 1997 Progressive/Power Metal festival in Baltimore, Maryland, November 28-30? I'm wondering if this is something I should try attending? Mike (and everyone else!) yes, you should definitely plan to be in Baltimore the weekend of NOV. 28, 29, and 30th for the Powermad Festival. Let me start by saying I'm in no way connected with this festival, but I just want to help spread the word so our favorite bands (Fates, Dream Theater, etc) won't fade away. Some of the bands confirmed so far: Vicious Rumors, Lethal, Elegy, Altura, Kamelot, Mystic Force, Psycho Drama, Psychotic Waltz, Quiet Room, Divine Regale, Ivanhoe...among MANY others!!! If you're into prog/power metal, you should be at this show. Tickets are only $30 bucks for 3 days of music AND you get a free cd with one song from each band appearing. The bass player from Mystic Force is one of the organizers and he's supposed to be sending me a complete artist lineup, so I'll post that soon. I'm making the trek from New Orleans up to Baltimore that weekend, 'cause I know if I miss it I'll be kicking myself. If it is within your means, come out to Powermad and help support this genre of music that goes underappreciated the world over but more specifically in the U.S. Check out this site for more info: http://www.websnet.com/global/power.htm -Kyle btw...DAMN excited about the DT tour (keep the road reports coming) and the double live Fates disc coming soon!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:35:55 +0000 (GMT) From: George Tryfonas To: email_address_removed Subject: Death Metal, Classical Music, vocals & Therion Message-ID: I was reading the discussion going on in the past few jams, concerning death vocals, the relation of metal and classical music and all that. I have one band in mind, and especially one CD of theirs, which combines Death/Thrash Metal, classical arrangements and features a large choir of sopranos. It's a CD by a band called Therion, bearing the title of "Theli". For anyone who hasn't heard it, buy it! It's FANTASTIC, IMO. All tracks (except the three instrumentals, of course) feature a large choir. There are tracks like "To Mega Therion" (2), which feature strongly influenced classical arrangements (that particular song strongly reminds me of Vivaldi in some parts), tracks like "Invocation of Naamah" (8), which are speedy, thrashy and have death-like vocals (but always including that choir) and, of course the (one and only) ballad, "The Siren of the Woods" (9). The music is excellent in its arrangements, complexity and all. I especially like track 8, "Invocation of Naamah". The production is a killer, IMO. Definitely check it out. It rocks! And if you've heard it, I would like to know your opinion. George P.S. -- BTW, the voice of the chick singing "The Siren of the Woods" is BEAUTIFUL. ********************************************************** | George Tryfonas | | | CSE 1st Year | Better to save the mystery | | Univeristy of Kent | Than surrender to the secret | | Canterbury, UK | | ********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:58:10 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx To: "Dr. Mosh" Subject: Re: Angra Message-ID: > > I disagree (that -is- still my right, last time i checked) with > >the above statement. i find holy land to be, well, sounding like dt > >then again, i don't like aspog either, so what the hell do i know? > > > > Nuff said, you crack smoker :) Maybe Mike, if you actually listened to those > discs, you might hear em... hahaha. i've listedn to Aspog and Holy Land. I just don't like them, silly. :) * * * * * * * * e-mail: email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm maintainer of the genesis frequently asked questions list: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/genesis/genesis-faq.htm (c) 1997 Erotomania, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:52:19 -0200 From: "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" To: Subject: ANGRA from Brazil Message-ID: Esta i uma mensagem de mzltiplas partes em formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCE97C.B00279A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Tedesco, Matthew" wrote : And Angra, of course, geez, I simply can't believe how talented these guys are as song-writers. Their wear their classical influences on their sleeve, with the opening track of Holy Land setting the tone for the album. The chorus singing throughout Carolina IV creates such a stark contrast to the more metal guitars on top. Yeah, Angra is really worth checking out !! Andre Matos, the vocals, sounds pretty much like Tate, and was ( someone correct me if I'm wrong ) pretty close to being the new Iron Maiden's vocals. Their album Holy Land includes good lyrics and brazilian rhythm, as in Carolina IV and Holy Land. The album is VERY original, nothing like anything you've heard before. Dan Bonatti Later, I read what Syrinx wrote : > > One word: ANGRA. Check them out. Jason, will you back me up on this one? > > Oh, so you like hearing other bands trying to be Dream Theater? :) ..and what Roger Brito wrote in response : -Wow! That's something that I have never heard before. Could you -please edify on this? I'm really curious because I don't see any -similarity at all. -[]s, Roger... And I was as puzzled as Roger was ! Please tell us more about Angra trying to be DT !!! 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"Tedesco, Matthew" <email_address_removed> = wrote :
And Angra, of course, geez, I simply can't
believe how = talented these guys are as song-writers.  Their wear = their
classical influences on their sleeve, with the opening track of = Holy
Land setting the tone for the album.  The chorus singing = throughout
Carolina IV creates such a stark contrast to the more = metal guitars on
top.  

Yeah, Angra is really worth = checking out !! Andre Matos, the vocals, sounds pretty much like Tate, = and was ( someone correct me if I'm wrong ) pretty close to being the = new Iron Maiden's vocals. Their album Holy Land includes good lyrics and = brazilian rhythm, as in Carolina IV and Holy Land. The album is VERY = original, nothing like anything you've heard before.

Dan = Bonatti

Later, I read what Syrinx wrote :

> > One = word: ANGRA. Check them out. Jason, will you back me up on this = one?
>
> Oh, so you like hearing other bands = trying to be Dream Theater? :)

...and what Roger Brito wrote in = response :

-Wow! That's something that I have never heard = before. Could you
-please edify on this? I'm really curious because I = don't see any
-similarity at all.

-[]s, = Roger...


And I was as puzzled as Roger was !  Please = tell us more about Angra trying to be DT !!!

Bonatti

------=_NextPart_000_01BCE97C.B00279A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:00:50 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Omega To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wacker Blvd. in Chicago Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Paul Gregory Humm wrote: > We also had an encounter with Wacker Boulevard and couldn't resist > cracking several jokes about it. Anyone else experience this > phenomenon? Sort of. You know how a radio station's weather report will just randomly name some towns in the listening area? Well, occasionally the stations in Grand Forks, ND would announce things like "...and the weekend's weather for Fertile, Climax, and Cummings will be..." ------ ]From: "Blevins, Mike" >Actually, my experience was to suggest re - naming it to "Pac - Man >Boulevard." This shows two things: >1. I'm old enough to remember Pac - Man clearly. Heck, I still play it now and then. Emulators rule. >2. I'm not nearly as perverted as you lot. :) Hey! --Jay "Resembles that remark" Omega --NP: FII again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:13:44 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Banister To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: whoa, nelly! Message-ID: > Does the term "Apples to Oranges" mean anything to you? Metallica > operated inside a different framework than DT does - and within that > > Perhaps I should have said "Puppets and Justice", since the first two > were really quite different from those. The point I was trying to make > was that the style of those arrangements is more complex than you would > associate with heavy metal, and gave the music the feel of something > > To get a response like this, however, is ridiculous - it's an exercise > in comparison snobbery. Considering your comments on death metal - most > of which DERIVES from Metallica, however indirectly - I would have > expected you to respond to the idea I was trying to convey, rather than > get in a complexity pissing match. whoa, slow down there son! I think you missed _my_ point. I wasn't attempting to compare anything, really. My point was that people who were raised on less complex arrangements are less apt to be able to handle more complex arrangements on the spur of the moment. It's not that I felt that metallica used inferior arrangements, but that the way I was raised, they weren't out of the ordinary for me. I agree with what you're saying here... although I wouldn't necessarily put metallica above all other metal in the arrangements catagory (remember, megadeth had some sweet spots back then too!). They are more complex than your "average" band, but the _arrangements_ (and I think is is a possible comparison) are less complex than, say, a DT song. No pissing match here. . . Ah, but I wish tone could be conveyed better in email. The voice in my head sounded just fine when it was saying it. . . figuratively, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:16:34 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix To: email_address_removed Subject: Majesty symbol Message-ID: About the recent talk about the Majesty symbol: before I read the FAQ I always wondered if the guys in the band were in some sort of franternity called Phi Mu Lambda or something and just overlayed the 3 Greek letters. Kind of strange, huh? P.S. I only heard Where Are You Now over the speakers at the show and it popped in my head and won't leave. It's really growing on me (the little I can remember). I hope that Hollow Years single with it on there is as widely available as the Silent Man single because I found that one easy enough. Anyone know about it's distribution plan yet? -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | email_address_removed Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:37:52 -0600 From: Cappy To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Powermad Festival Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 04, 1997 at 05:34:39PM -0800, email_address_removed wrote: > > << Anyone know much about the Powermad 1997 Progressive/Power Metal festival > in Baltimore, Maryland, November 28-30? I'm wondering if this is something > I should try attending? > > Mike (and everyone else!) yes, you should definitely plan to be in Baltimore > the weekend of NOV. 28, 29, and 30th for the Powermad Festival. Let me start So is anyone here going? From Chicago? I may consider going if I can get away that weekend and can get a plane ticket. -- Mike Jones, email_address_removed __________ Cappy _________ email_address_removed Progressive Genius ( http://www.progmetal.org ) Progressive Metal Web Ring ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:50:17 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Banister To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: corpses. .. Message-ID: > This is more like it! Someone who enjoys listening to music for what it is > and not for what it should be. I think the best way to listen to this stuff > is the reissue double albums that all DM bands release. ie Napalm Death > "From Enslavement to Obliteration/Scum" 56 Songs - 65 minutes. Yay. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ heh heh. . .corpses "Put them to Death" clocks in at a big 1 minute 45 seconds. But you know, that's really all they _needed_ to say. . . Quite a change from the DT we're used to, with average song clocking in at 6+ minutes. . . > >>other. Nothing I've ever heard can compare with the power you feel when > >>they all start singing. > > Agree. So emotionally moving it can't be degraded into words. Also I like > Holsts "The Planets" and Prokofievs "Montagues & Capulets" (classical stuff > not opera). Great for relaxing! Oh wow. . I can't relax when I listen to "montagues & capulets." I always have to listen. When I first heard it, I thought "this is the scariest thing I've ever heard." But wow, do I love it. I can't imagine what it would be like live. . . (heh, or Griegs 'hall of the mountain king' . . I just love the big menacing classical riff!) > >>I think they even banned it in a lot of video stores, as it wasn't > >>appropriate for children. > > I watched it two nights ago and it was like plunging back into my childhood. > When I was a kid I was so distraught that Optimus Prime died. He handed > over the matrix and I cried. Hope was restored with the promise of OP's After the movie, my relationship with transformers died. It was kind of sad. . but all things must pass. However, notice the maturity: death of autobots! The good guys never die in cartoons! Not even in GI joe the movie (remember, if you will, how duke is saved at the end! How cheesy). And the explicit death scenes! Dealing with the death of optimus prime: everyone I know cried at that scene when they first saw it! It was so sad. . . figuratively, Rich ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3203 **************************