YTSEJAM Digest 3201 Today's Topics: 1) PLEASE HELP ME: i' m looking for DT bootlegs! by Perix 2) Angra trying to be DT??? by Rogerio Brito 3) RE:The GreatUpperMidWestYtseTour (Part 1)(spoilers) by "Matt Mommaerts (Fox 47)" 4) Angra by "L. Jason Hartman" 5) Re: Angra trying to be DT??? by Rick Audet 6) madison,wi jammers. by Mathew and Melissa 7) Ytsejam Fantasy Football League by Pat Daugherty 8) No way, uh uh, not even by Christopher Ptacek 9) Touring into analysis :) by Jon Parmet 10) New in Toys R Us! DT!!!!! by Carol Dellinger 11) Lounge version of Under a Glass Moon by "Paul Gregory Humm" 12) last night (Milwaukee) by "Scott/Curt Hansen" 13) RE: Metallica, death metal, opinions, and sarcasm. by "Blevins, Mike" 14) Drumsticks... by Jeremy Kube ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:41:11 +0100 From: Perix To: Ytsejam Subject: PLEASE HELP ME: i' m looking for DT bootlegs! Message-ID: <345F6C46.EA5823D7@cyberg.it> Hi I' m an Italian Dream Theater fan.. I' m looking for DT bootlegs but i' ve nothing to trade..my only DT bootleg is Lost in the sky recorded in Milan...please help me! -- Perix DuramateR http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1642 YTSEITLIA http://www.young-it.com/dt "Welcome in a NEW NILLENNIUM" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:55:07 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Angra trying to be DT??? Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Syrinx wrote: > > One word: ANGRA. Check them out. Jason, will you back me up on this one? > > Oh, so you like hearing other bands trying to be Dream Theater? :) Wow! That's something that I have never heard before. Could you please edify on this? I'm really curious because I don't see any similarity at all. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:10:37 -0600 From: "Matt Mommaerts (Fox 47)" To: email_address_removed Subject: RE:The GreatUpperMidWestYtseTour (Part 1)(spoilers) Message-ID: >DID'JA NOTICE?? >DS can really play that guitar!! >Mike can spit farther than he can throw drum sticks. >Lava Lamps take a long time to heat up. >"Derek Sherinian on keyboards...he wrote this!" Chicago.... Didya also notice?? KJLB's little smooch to JP after singing together on the same Mic. >Pink floyd is no good before a DT show ( at least, not the wall) Well, twice in a row at least!! email_address_removed Personal: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo Mosh Pit: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:20:21 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Angra Message-ID: >> One word: ANGRA. Check them out. Jason, will you back me up on this one? > Oh, so you like hearing other bands trying to be Dream Theater? :) Gimmie a break!! Angra's "Holy Land" is above and beyond the last two DT albums and possibly even Images & Words, at least in terms of creativity. Take good listen to Carolina IV. There is NOBODY making music like this. Wheneven I listen to this album I just have a huge smile on my face as I shake my head in shear amazement. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ email_address_removed And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:23:29 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Angra trying to be DT??? Message-ID: Rogerio Brito wrote: >Syrinx wrote: > > > > One word: ANGRA. Check them out. Jason, will you back me up on this one? > > > > Oh, so you like hearing other bands trying to be Dream Theater? :) > > Wow! That's something that I have never heard before. Could you > please edify on this? I'm really curious because I don't see any > similarity at all. Heh. I think Mike's dyslexia is acting up again. He *must* be talking about Altura and not Angra. Angra sounds about as much like Dream Theater as Pantera sounds like Yanni. :) Rick Audet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:29:57 -0600 (CST) From: Mathew and Melissa To: email_address_removed Subject: madison,wi jammers. Message-ID: hey all, can any of you guys give me directions to the barrymore? i'll be coming into madison on the north side, on hwy 151. thanks! mathew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:38:29 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Ytsejam Fantasy Football League Message-ID: standings after week 10: TEAM NAME OWNER W-L PTs West Hampshire Hounds (Robert Rivers) 7-3 603 B.U. Blazars (Jeremy Hallum) 6-4 571 Cape St. Claire Musicsnobs (Kevin Madden) 6-4 463 Alabama Lines In The Sod (Mark Peters) 3-7 481 Mill City Birds of Prey (Dana Boisvert) 2-8 430 East Purple People Eaters (Ryan Hallum) 8-2 571 Augie's Northeast Storm (Heath Augustover) 7-3 621 Glen Burnie liquid Shadows (Jason Hartman) 5-5 485 Patsville Punks (Pat Daugherty) 3-7 507 London Ultraviolence (Mike Blevins) 3-7 500 |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | Washington Redskins 5-4 | | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:35:58 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: No way, uh uh, not even Message-ID: > And for the second comment--how 'bout a one-word revision? As > in,"quality of music and trained technical skill are not *necessarily* > related." Remember, for every one Jimi, Eddie, or Nuno, there's a > thousand (insert your MTV guitarist of the minute here). The state of > popular rock today testifies to what happens when too many self-titled > "musicians" eschew study and practice for pale imitation and image. Of course we know that there are more guitarists who can't play much in the way of technical music than there are people like Petrucci, Romeo, and MICHAEL.ANGELO. (expect Bafu back within the week, if he made it home without the directions he somehow left at my place)... but being a guitarist who is learning all of his theory and working on sight reading now, I can say that it isn't making an impact at ALL on my technical playing. I really believe that when it comes to guitar, you have to consider the realms completely seperate (and not necessarily equal)... what you learn in theory will help to make what you play more "musical" but it's your blood, sweat, bruises, and callouses that get you to the level of an Eddie, Nuno, or Friedman. I think it's the level of overall effort that dictates how great or who miserable you are at the instrument. I know it has ZILCH to do with how well you can read/write music. What you're saying makes sense, and surely these guitarists on MTV who supposedly know nothing of theory (we assume much, don't we?) probably do not spend the endless hours woodshedding on technical practice that the aforementioned shredders have, but I think the comparison is off the mark, in that what you know and what you can do are not necessarily related when we're discussing technical capability on the guitar. > From: "Blevins, Mike" > Subject: RE: the unmentionable > Does the term "Apples to Oranges" mean anything to you? Metallica > operated inside a different framework than DT does - and within that > framework, they managed to create interesting, complex music without > losing the aggression they wanted to achieve. I wasn't comparing > Metallica to DT, or to Kansas for that matter. If you don't think > they're complex, fine, but don't try to extend my comments out to, IMO, > invalid comparisons. It's all a matter of opinion anyways, so I can see why you're both correct... can you? > To get a response like this, however, is ridiculous - it's an exercise > in comparison snobbery. Considering your comments on death metal - most > of which DERIVES from Metallica I don't know any death metal musician who would agree with you on this in the least bit. From the professionals to the garage bands. Look into the background of death metal if you care... I think you'll see that Metallica isn't a direct influence... certainly not a primary influence on the death sound. > , however indirectly - I would have > expected you to respond to the idea I was trying to convey, rather than > get in a complexity pissing match. But then, you're involved in the "pissing match" too. You can't use the Abel technique of "Since I accused you of it first, I am immune to my own accusations." > No... here I draw the line. I would never... NEVER EVER defend Metallica. I'd rather hear Steve Vai fart any day than hear Metallica play their "complex" music (which I must have somehow missed in the albums I've owned). But I'm honored to have a mode named after me. Is it anything like Lydian? :) I'm still trying to figure out the Demented scale and how to work it with DiMeolian minor. :) Take care. Beware of Sarcasm :) - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:37:58 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: Touring into analysis :) Message-ID: MadDEN: > Oh yeah, about Portnoy having time, Jon, you said he has none what > with the kid; is the kid on tour? She was at Lupo's... Looked like when he held her up for us to see, that she may have attempted some sort of rhythmic movement :) Melody rocks!!!! Anyways, I'm just repeating what I read in Metal Edge, dude. Speaking of tours, though, I'm curious as to whether anyone's heard of any news of a Boston area gig. Mike mentioned the choice of citys having something to do with radio airplay. Well, they're playing Burning My Soul on WGIR up in New Hampshire, so I would hope that means they'll make it up this way in 98. Hampton Beach would be cool, but then again so would The Commons outdoors :) MadSMAN: > Please forget I mentioned this [reaching agreement :)], altogether. > Jon Parmet has shown me the error of my ways. :) Muahahahaha! It was an easy close :) MadLOAD: > NOT A LOAD-BEARING STRUCTURE > (sung to the tune of "Under Peruvian Skies") Definitely a keeper!!! >>MaD-man: > Mad :) : >> MIDI's a wonderful thing, but it's a tool. > I reckon MIDI would get better with the years, thus taking such > variables into consideration... Just to nitpick: I assume when you refer to MIDI's limitations, you are actually referring to the controllers which,in addition to the speakers, of course, are responsible for creating the actual sound. OR are you referring to actual limitations in the MIDI specification itself? > of course it won't be able to replace live performance & > improvisation, but the music may sound more "live"... If you get a chance, check out Rudess/Morgenstein Project. Jordan is truly able to bring the best of both worlds about as close together as I've ever seen... Chris is right when he says it's a tool. Some people make better use of the tools. I've heard some professionally (not to brag or anything, but my brother has bee using MIDI since the mid 80's) done stuff using MIDI exclusively, and I'll tell ya, I couldn't tell the difference. Very similar to the advances in video animation where the lines are blurred between what appears real and what is synthetic. > They are inferior because they don't put their own compositions on > their albums. I dearly hope this is in reference to 'they,' and not a statement in general. For all I know, 'they' may be inferior for just that reason :) However... Bobby McFerrin, for example, covered a myriad of songs on a album I have of his. He has reached critical acclaim in the industry. He is innovative beyond my ability to describe the trait! Do you listen much to jazz? In many cases, arrangment and interpretation cause the presence/absence of original composition to have very little to do with inferiority. In fact, I would argue (perhaps unsuccessfully, I'm not a music major, but maybe one can help with this) that through re-arrangement and interpretation, one may actually find themselves involved little bits of composition here and there, creating something which has a life unto itself alongside the already existing, complementing it, embellishing it, loving it, touching it, and finally ending it with a period. ;) > I have more respect for Green Day as composers than I have for the > members of a symphony orchestra that not compose any music at all. Laying down notes and rests on or in between parallel lines on a piece of paper does not, in my book, constitute composition. In other words, I'd have respect for Green Day as merciful beings if they didn't compose at all. Sometimes, to not do is better than to do... Sorry, had to do :) (maybe this is one of THOSE times) To obfuscate this further, the mere presence of something is not sufficient grounds to earn my repsect. For example, countries in which cannibalism is practiced and is culturally accepted don't and never will earn my respect as an acceptable form of behavior over countries which don't eat members of their own species :) Regards, Jon *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 11:40:55 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger To: "email_address_removed" Subject: New in Toys R Us! DT!!!!! Message-ID: Ryan's ideas are great! but don't forget the obligatory Barbie Groupie Action Doll! and the Mike Portnoy GI Joe with the Kung FU grip. IDEAS Dream Theater Action Figures: Mike Cabbage Patch Kid Portnoy Spitting Mikey P. (actually spews natural spring water!!) Mike Animal (Muppets) Portnoy Derek Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Sherinian Derek Flavor Saver Sherinian John Obi Wan Myung James LaBrie plus Mic Stand and Bullhorn ascending Keyboard Riser ala Kiss' old drum riser with a big tapestry attached to it featuring a sassy portrait of Derek All you DT Fans: Start your collection today!!!!!!! Coldfire/Vampfire "And all this could be just a dream so it seems, I was never much good at good-bye." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:58:04 -0800 From: "Paul Gregory Humm" To: email_address_removed Subject: Lounge version of Under a Glass Moon Message-ID: When I was posting stuff about the Chicago show I forgot to say that the lounge music version of Under a Glass Moon (playing after the encore) was one of the coolest and funniest things I have heard in quite a while. Anyone know the story behind it? I assume that Dream Theater will never put this on a CD (except *MAYBE* on a Christmas CD for the fan club), so Mike Bahr, I think it's up to you to bring us this little nugget of joy. Paul ---------------- Paul Humm email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:05:24 -0600 From: "Scott/Curt Hansen" To: Subject: last night (Milwaukee) Message-ID: Hi all! Well, this is gonna be short but I wanted to post a couple things that I found out last night in talking to Mike. First off, the B-sides for Hollow Years are gonna be You or Me (the pre-Desmond Child version of You Not Me) and I believe Where Are You Now. Also, within the next 24 hours or so (as I type this) they need to wrap things up for a little special something all of us (who are in the fanclubs) will be getting come December - most of you can guess what I'm talking about. Lastly, gotta say hi to my new bud Mattymo and his friend Jill (is that your GF?) as well as Biggyman, Ryan Good and especially Mattias - the only person (except for band and crew) to have seen both Nightmare Cinema performances - geez I'm jealous. Hopefully I'll get to post more later. Scott Hansen email_address_removed PS Thanx to the band (who I'm guessing will be reading this) and especially Mike!! I really appreciate everything. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:39:10 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: Metallica, death metal, opinions, and sarcasm. Message-ID: Chris wrote... >effort that dictates how great or who miserable you are at the instrument. >I know it has ZILCH to do with how well you can read/write music. Wow. I'm impressed - someone actually said it in this argument. :) > >> losing the aggression they wanted to achieve. I wasn't comparing >> Metallica to DT, or to Kansas for that matter. If you don't think >> they're complex, fine, but don't try to extend my comments out to, IMO, >> invalid comparisons. > > It's all a matter of opinion anyways, so I can see why you're >both correct... can you? I never said he wasn't correct - I merely said he was not addressing the same subject I was. C'mon, Chris, I'm a little hotheaded at times, but you know me better than that. > >> To get a response like this, however, is ridiculous - it's an exercise >> in comparison snobbery. Considering your comments on death metal - most >> of which DERIVES from Metallica > > I don't know any death metal musician who would agree with you on >this in the least bit. From the professionals to the garage bands. Look >into the background of death metal if you care... I think you'll see that >Metallica isn't a direct influence... certainly not a primary influence on >the death sound. Death metal, in it's present form, derives itself from early - and - mid eighties Bay Area thrash and Venom - at least that's as far back as I can take it. Very few death players will admit that, but the kind of rhythm guitar playing that dominates heavy music was started by this scene. Metallica didn't invent the "play 16th notes really fast on the E string" style of playing, but they did play a large role in refining it into something usable. Every single Bay Area band was Metallica influenced - most even admit it. Slayer - the starting point for the term "death metal" - was heavily influenced by the early Metallica stuff. So much of the modern heavy metal stylings come from this band - whether directly or not - that it's practically impossible NOT to be influenced by them. Like Iron Maiden, (and, unfortunately, Bon Jovi) without Metallica, heavy metal would sound very different now. I might buy the "no influence" stuff from death bands if they had the same influences that Metallica had, but much of that was very obscure until Metallica became popular. If anyone wants to continue this, I'll be happy to do so privately. Unfortunately, Metallica sounds very different now, but I won't open that can of worms... :) > >> , however indirectly - I would have >> expected you to respond to the idea I was trying to convey, rather than >> get in a complexity pissing match. > > But then, you're involved in the "pissing match" too. You can't >use the Abel technique of "Since I accused you of it first, I am immune to >my own accusations." No, my argument is over using my style comparison in a way I wouldn't have - thereby continuing the misinterpretation of my original statement. I'm not arguing Metallica's complexity by comparison to other bands - I'm clarifying my original position. The "pissing match" comment should probably have been left out, but Hey, I'm human. :) > >> > > No... here I draw the line. I would never... NEVER EVER defend >Metallica. I'd rather hear Steve Vai fart any day than hear Metallica >play their "complex" music (which I must have somehow missed in the albums >I've owned). That was a comment on the style of my post, not an insinuation that you like Metallica. :) If you know what Mr. Vai's farts sound like... :) >Beware of Sarcasm :) Do you have this sign in you front yard? You probably should... :) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:19:08 -0500 From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: Drumsticks... Message-ID: I keep meaning to try the Easton Ahead "plastic" sticks. They just seem that they wouldn't feel right though. Anyone ever use them?? Well, yes and no. I tried out a pair.. I loved them. I didn't have enough $$ so I waited and I am glad that I did. I played a show about a month later and I saw what damage those suckers do to your cymbals and your drumheads (another guy at the show had them) The tips (cheap nylon-replacable) leave marks on your cymbals (not removable with polish) and white marks on anything you hit. But, the feel is unsurpassed. I love the way they feel. Too bad. If they go back to the drawing board and fix 'em, I'll buy em, until them I'll stick with Vic Firth's sticks. Later, J ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3201 **************************