YTSEJAM Digest 3200 Today's Topics: 1) passions, they run deep by "Tedesco, Matthew" 2) Re: Pretty Maids by email_address_removed.dk (Jepsen, Steen) 3) The GreatUpperMidWestYtseTour (Part 1)(spoilers) by Ryan Good 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3195 by Rogerio Brito 5) Load Bearing Structure! by Carol Dellinger 6) The GreatUpperMidwestYtseTour (Part 2)(spoilers) by Ryan Good 7) The GreatUpperMidWestYtseTour (Part 3)(spoilers) by Ryan Good 8) Re: Death Vocals! by Rogerio Brito 9) new MP sticks by "L. Jason Hartman" 10) Funny misheard lyrics. by email_address_removed 11) RE: the unmentionable by "Blevins, Mike" 12) Minneapolis show reaction*little spoilers* by Dave Gonzales ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:15:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" To: email_address_removed Subject: passions, they run deep Message-ID: Hello all-- from Mohamed: >"Classical" Musical skill and how it relates to "good music"> >One thing I've noticed about some people (I'm not saying that this is >a general trait or anything) that like progressive rock is >that they tend to dislike music that is not technically complex but just >all around fun music. I also see that people who tend to like the "fun" >music view the progressive stuff as cold and too technical and feel that >the music is technical for the sake of being technical. Any comments? >My own feeling on this is that quality of music and trained technical >skill are not related. For example, Jimi Hendrix oneof the greatest >guitarists of all time (IMO) could not read a lick of music. If you joined in the last week as you say, then boy, you've missed this. In the past few months, this issue has been compared to such things as people who pour their hearts into their cars vs.people who just want to get from place to place, and people who watch movies for shits & giggles vs. people who care about cinematography, lighting, etc. Depends on each person's approach and depth of involvement in whatever we're talking about. No matter how many people on the 'jam cringe at the American Bandstand mentality (it's got a beat and I can dance to it, so it's a good song), it nonetheless is a common approach to music reflecting many people's depth of involvement in music, reflecting what they want to get from music. I still think Bob Ross was pretty neat, for what it's worth. And for the second comment--how 'bout a one-word revision? As in,"quality of music and trained technical skill are not *necessarily* related." Remember, for every one Jimi, Eddie, or Nuno, there's a thousand (insert your MTV guitarist of the minute here). The state of popular rock today testifies to what happens when too many self-titled "musicians" eschew study and practice for pale imitation and image. MATt (yet another...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:35:20 +0100 From: email_address_removed.dk (Jepsen, Steen) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Pretty Maids Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 03, 1997 at 08:32:31AM -0800, "Chung Ng" wrote: > > Does anyone have any info on Pretty Maids? I just found a disc called > "Spooked" in the $8 bin at the local import shop and it rocks. I have "Future > World" on tape and was wondering if they're still around. I'd like to get the > rest of their collection. Yeah Pretty Maids are still around! As far as I know they are touring somewhere at the moment... I saw them live at the "Midtfyns festival" here in Denmark this summer and they were just amazing! They've made the following albums as far as I know: Spooked (1997) Scream (1994) Red hot and heavy (1984) Future world (1987) Sin decade (1992) Jump the gun (1990) Screamin' live (1995) Stripped (An acoustic album) (1993) and An EP that I don't know the name of... In my opinion "Spooked" is one of the best albums they've ever made. I love it! My advice is to get either "Scream", "Screamin' live" or "Red hot and heavy" next though you'll probably have to be quite lucky to find the older ones... But if you're totally out of luck then I can always get them over here and send them to you by mail... Just let me know. Steen Jepsen *************************************************************************** * * Steen Jepsen * Reply to me at: mailto:email_address_removed.dk * * A.K.A. Basil * * * Lemvig, Denmark * Visit my homepage at: http://home4.inet.tele.dk/sjepsen* ***************************************************************************** * * Like a man is a mountainside * * * Greatness waits for those who try * * Hhhmmmmm... * None can teach you, it's all inside * * Skummelt... * Just climb... * * * ~Manowar * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:44:28 -0600 From: Ryan Good To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: The GreatUpperMidWestYtseTour (Part 1)(spoilers) Message-ID: Hey all. Well, it's Monday and 2 out of 4 Dream Theater concerts of the GreatUpperMidwestYtseTour are now complete. Dave Plotkin and I are exhausted (From Madison to Chicago to Madison on Saturday, Madison to Minneapolis on Sunday, and Minneapolis to Madison to [later tonight] Milwaukee back to Madison on Monday). I'll keep this as brief as possible. CHICAGO.Wonderful town. House of Blues? Must see. I had a bit of Silent Man interaction!!! I was standing on the inside of the HoB by the front right door (closest to the waiting line to get in) and all of the sudden John Myung himself appears outside the door and couldn't get in. I walked over and opened the door and said "hey, what's up" and John just nodded and said hello. Somone in the line yelled "Hey, THere's John" and then Mr. Myung asked me "So where do I go, up there?" and looked up the stairs to the second floor. Then I said "I though that was for you to know! (laugh") and he said "oh, you don't work here?" "Nope" "Sorry" and then he walked away to go up the stairs. I though it was Spinal Tappish. So I heard him talk. He's great. ON WITH THE SHOW. BIG WRECK was a Big Wreck. The first thing that pissed everyone off is this: Mr. pseudo Chris Cornell said (something like) I heard the bulls lost yesterday" and smiled and everyone got mad (never unsult the home team!!!). from then on, shit hit the fan. He told one guy to "get a hair cut" and you know the "that's why I'm up here and you aren't" bullshit. He also told us to "Be Fucking Patient." DREAM THEATER wonderful. You all know the songs (Hollow years this time). Portnoy was PISSED at the sound guy (I think) "You'd think after 6 songs he'd get it fuckin right" or something was yelled and Mike threw a few sticks towards the sound board. Is this the case?? DOes anyone know what was really happening?? The BIggest Rock Star Alive (DS) couldn't be heard very well, and JP's guitar was fairly quiet during solos. Nightmare Cinema was a treat. Notice how big of a rock star DS is? Isn't it wonderful? I think JP loves those drums!! Discotheque (sp?) was a tasty treat as well. One was fun. All in all, not a 10, but definately an 8. TASTIEST TREATS OF THE NIGHT: Peruvian Skies (those boys are working on those live harmonies. RIGHT ON!!) Scarred Voices (Kneeling on the floor....through....amused enough to stay...was awesome. Vocals by JP and MP are suprisingly good.) ACOS bits and pieces. Notice the EXTREME CHUNK! DID'JA NOTICE?? DS can really play that guitar!! Mike can spit farther than he can throw drum sticks. Lava Lamps take a long time to heat up. "Derek Sherinian on keyboards...he wrote this!" end part 1. _____________________________________________________ Brought to You by Jeffery's Mamma, Martin and Wood." _____________________________________________________ Ryan Good - Music Stapher from WSUM - Madison's idea of College Radio! - The Unofficial-Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206 "Madison Student Radio: It's coming!" WSUM/MSR Homepage: http://msr.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:41:34 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3195 Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, The Phoenix wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Richard A. Rivera wrote: > > Personally, singers are the most important part of a band to me. I can't > > like a band if I don't like the singer. > > This is the same for me. I think this partly explains the phenomenon > that I hear something new each time I listen to a DT album. Me too. The first thing that caught my attention when I first heard DT was James LaBicha vocals. In fact, he was the main reason why I bought I&W. I heard a copy from a cousin of mine and I thought: "Man, now someone can actually sing!" *BUT* I think that Mike Akerfeldt's vocals fit perfectly Opeth's music. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:43:21 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Load Bearing Structure! Message-ID: HAHAHAHAHA Okay now that I have picked myself up off the floor. There are tears in my eyes from laughing so hard and so long. BRAVO! Well done my lad! With the exception of the tasteless Just Let Me Breed....all of these parodies creators have a special talent. I do hope that that when the memebers of DT read this, they take it with tongue firmly planted in cheek! Rock on! Coldfire/Vampfire "And all this could be just a dream so it seems, I was never much good at good-bye." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:56:17 -0600 From: Ryan Good To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: The GreatUpperMidwestYtseTour (Part 2)(spoilers) Message-ID: Welcome to part 2. Drive to Minnesota was great. Now I know all about Frank Lloyd Wright. MINNEAPOLIS. My home town. FIrst Avenue is popular as hell, it is pretty shitty though, I must admit. But now I'll say this. The sound here KICKED CHICAGO"S ASS. Thank you very much. THis was an all ages show. I'm really really really really really really really really really sorry, but the show (in my extremely un flame starting super personal humble opinion) may have been better sans youngens. Too much pushing jumping (is this pearl jam we're seeing?) and fist pumping (almost got knocked cold while standing behind some dude who was beating the air). Hey all you people under 18: I was there too. Images and Words tour came and went ( I could have seen them 2 times!!!) but I was to young. ON WITH THE SHOW BIG WRECK. Big Wreck was not as altogether assy (ass-like) like they were in Chicago. Mr. Not Cornell said "we only woke up a few hours ago so don't expect too much." His voice is good, the bass player (including dumb "I wish I was Jeff Ament head bobs)(notice it was a 12 string bass ala Ament and Pinnick!) is really pretty good, rhythm guitarist has Lifeson's foot stomp down perfect. I was actually pleased this time. SET BREAK MUSIC also everywhere else, they played all but Speak to me. I like Cover My Eyes (?) DREAM THEATER. (add TAMP) JL was a tad better in chicago, but still, he is the "sexiest man alive" (inside joke). He did wear the same shirt in Chicago, however (lagerfeld PHOTO cologne). JP: FUCKING MANIAC!!! He nailed everything, you could hear him, he made eyes with eveyone in the concert, and seemed to be playing for us, not just to us. Could be runner up to JL!! JM. Mr Myung didn't move at all really. (Dave, where's your commentary on the SIlent Man??) He still is amazing. It all looks so easy to him! DS is the Master of Rock and Roll Personna. The Ultimate Rock Star (action figures anyone?) He wailed allnight. Watch him during the "industrial' section of New Mil....he BANGS! MP. I swear the man is possessed. ALL in all, I'd say a 9.9. Sound, technical perfection, and so on. True perfection. TASTIEST TREATS OF THE NIGHT: Take Away my Pain. I swear, I could have just cryed. Beautiful arrangement, James was fucking ON for that one. Peruvian Skies (again!) Voices (james had trouble, but WHO NOTICED THE 3 PART VOCAL HARMONY???? (during "diary on the newsstand....nobody's praying") I did, and I just about shit. Either I was hearing things, or there's some serious explaing that needs to be done. Since when could 3 members of OFB sing 3 part harmony? And why haven't we heard this before? I loved it. JLMB was great here and in Chitown. Rocked out hard. One of my ultimate faves is when two really hot babes mashed their breasts all over my body as they squished past me in the crowd during UAGM (also wonderful that night, but the breasts were better at this point). IDEAS Dream Theater Action Figures: Mike Cabbage Patch Kid Portnoy Spitting Mikey P. (actually spews natural spring water!!) Mike Animal (Muppets) Portnoy Derek Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Sherinian Derek Flavor Saver Sherinian John Obi Wan Myung James LaBrie plus Mic Stand and Bullhorn ascending Keyboard Riser ala Kiss' old drum riser with a big tapestry attached to it featuring a sassy portrait of Derek now.....on to Milwaukee. "Oy.....the pressure in my chest......I think I'm having a heart attack" - David Plotkin after seeing the sexiest man alive in person. end part 2 _____________________________________________________ Brought to You by Jeffery's Mamma, Martin and Wood." _____________________________________________________ Ryan Good - Music Stapher from WSUM - Madison's idea of College Radio! - The Unofficial-Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206 "Madison Student Radio: It's coming!" WSUM/MSR Homepage: http://msr.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 00:06:16 -0600 From: Ryan Good To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: The GreatUpperMidWestYtseTour (Part 3)(spoilers) Message-ID: PERSONAL DISCLAIMER>>>>>> I've had 7 hours of sleep in the past 3 days so I might start to drift off so bear with me. It might actually be intersteing! MILWAUKEE ".....I walk the line" said Johnny Cash in the Rave bar on the jukebox. We waited inside (!) listening to Journey, Live, Battery (my choice) Megadeth (David in the House?) STP, Led Zep, and so on. I met some Jammers again and again , I'm really glad that I did. We'll all chat soon. Doors opened late....I heard Big Wrecktum was bitching with the sound guy for a while. I was Front and Center clad in a stunning purple ytsejam tshirt next to some older lady who it seems didn't really understand what was going on. The security (if you could call it that) had big huge dips of chewing tobacco (anyone want to visit wisconsin soon?) all concert. Sound was really nice actually. John P had wireless problems aparently, but continued, as usual, undaunted. BIG EWRECKTION Don't get me wrong here all. Dave and I were actually looking forward to seeing these guys again, as some of their stuff has grown on us. But of course, some FUCKING person had to open their mouth and yell some shit right from the start. So what if you don't like them. Who asked you anyway? NotCornell the Wonderful pulled the "I'm up here, you're down there" thing again, but I didn't feel like telling him we'd heard that one already. I really feel bad for these guys. It's not their fault their record label chose them to open for OFB. NotLifeson was good and NotAment was good and NoChops had no chops, but still, they can play together quite well. SET BREAK Remember the roadie from Big Reck? Gilligan? We watched the guards chew some more snuff. DREAM THEATER First thing was JP's Soccer (?) jersey and James' Jon Andersonesque (good call Dave) shirt thing. We were expecting James' voice to be a little pooped since he'd been giving us such shows lately. Boy were we suprised. He was Right On!! He seemed to be into the gig from the get to. Nice to see. This was neat: we heard both Hollow Years and TAMP, Although no UAGM. Both were fucking Sweet. Derek, your fiber optic lamps are nice, but one seems to be more limp than the other! I hear that's natural though. :) TASTIEST TREATS OF THE NIGHT Voices (that makes it 3 times in a row) (Yes, I heard 3 part vocal harmonies) Ytsejam (Are you nuts? I was front and center, I got to see the shit first hand. I pointed to my Ytsejam t-shirt at the start of the song and Spitty Smurf Portnoy acknowledged me with a YEAH and a stick pointed at my head. Anything Chunky....I think John P knew that I was the one that wanted the chunk. John, I've got the chunk now. Thank you! DID'Ja NOTICE "Keep your fucking head up?" Pink floyd is no good before a DT show ( at least, not the wall) during ACOS when Mike and John M play a little cartoon ditty "Can I touch Your Majesty?" part 4 forthcoming (SEE YOU AT THE MADISON SHOW!!) _____________________________________________________ Brought to You by Jeffery's Mamma, Martin and Wood." _____________________________________________________ Ryan Good - Music Stapher from WSUM - Madison's idea of College Radio! - The Unofficial-Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206 "Madison Student Radio: It's coming!" WSUM/MSR Homepage: http://msr.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:01:05 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Death Vocals! Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Paul Dyer wrote: > P.S. If I see anyone mention Marylin Manson as a similarity to Death Metal > again I will vomit! I agree with Paul here, since Marylin Hanson :-) is just a tentative of Industrial Metal trying to sell ya the image of a Black Metal band. If you wanna hear some real Black Metal, give Emperor a try. I've only heard their newest album once, but it was very cool. Manson can't even have something original. And any artist that has to rely on his/her image to sell *music* has something wrong... Maybe the whole world is wrong, but this is the sad state of the world. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:04:02 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" To: email_address_removed Subject: new MP sticks Message-ID: Can anyone tell me about the size of these new Portnoy sticks? How do they compare to a 5B? Wood or nylon tip? I'm planning on ordering at least one pair just as a collectable but if it's similar to what I actually play with (promark 5b nylon tip), I might order a couple of pairs. Thanks! PS - I'm SOOOO glad he stopped using those damn hot sticks! They suck nuts!! They were cool when I was in the 6th grade. I don't remember if I ever had purple ones but I had red,white, green etc. My elementary school colors where green and white so we would buy a bunch of those sticks and trade with each other so that everyone had 1 white and 1 green. That was the only time HotSticks were ever cool. :) Also, Zildjian sticks suck nuts too!! I bought a couple of pairs to try out and I think I went through them in a couple of hours. I keep meaning to try the Easton Ahead "plastic" sticks. They just seem that they wouldn't feel right though. Anyone ever use them?? -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ email_address_removed And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Funny misheard lyrics. Message-ID: Someone wrote: Can't let them rape me again > Your venom's not venomy here > won't let them fill me with > feather-lipstick rubber maids... >>ROFL!!! I always hear >>"Wont let them fill >>me with fodder less than robin eggs..." Yeah,Well I heard for the longest time,until I re-read the lyrics sheet: "Won't let them fill my ass with fatalistic rumaging!!" The feather-lipstick thing had me ROTFLMAO!!!!! On another note,someone wrote right after OFB released FII,and said that "New Milleniun is mostly in 4/4 time...." Well here goes: 4/4,4/4,4/4,3/4 til 1:09 Then 7/4,7/4,7/4,4/4,then to the real jam!!! So that's just a little 4/4 mixed in with some odd meters all on the quarter note,but it is masterfully masked!! It took me a while butI figured it out. Didn't have anything better to do!! Glen P.S. Waiting here in Dallas/Ft.Worth area until Touring Into Infiniti '98 makes its way through. I'll at leaste go to one show!!! You guys up north are VERY fuckin' lucky!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:29:45 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: the unmentionable Message-ID: >> even rock. For anyone that says Metallica's music (up until the Black >> album) isn't complex, try playing something like "...And Justice For >> All" in a band some time. The playing may not be "complex", but the >> arrangement certainly is... (part snipped) >work, metallicas arrangements aren't anything out of the ordinary. I >heard things like Kansas' 'closet chronicles', and Tull's 'part of the >machine' before I even understood what prog was, so I thought that that >was the norm. Metallicas arrangements may be more complex than say, your >average pop bands, but they don't hold a candle to DT or other prog! :) Does the term "Apples to Oranges" mean anything to you? Metallica operated inside a different framework than DT does - and within that framework, they managed to create interesting, complex music without losing the aggression they wanted to achieve. I wasn't comparing Metallica to DT, or to Kansas for that matter. If you don't think they're complex, fine, but don't try to extend my comments out to, IMO, invalid comparisons. Perhaps I should have said "Puppets and Justice", since the first two were really quite different from those. The point I was trying to make was that the style of those arrangements is more complex than you would associate with heavy metal, and gave the music the feel of something more like classical - I wasn't trying to compare Metallica to anyone specific, merely a type of music. To get a response like this, however, is ridiculous - it's an exercise in comparison snobbery. Considering your comments on death metal - most of which DERIVES from Metallica, however indirectly - I would have expected you to respond to the idea I was trying to convey, rather than get in a complexity pissing match. >Mike > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:38:48 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Gonzales To: email_address_removed Subject: Minneapolis show reaction*little spoilers* Message-ID: Hey jammers- Well, after a very eventful 7 hour drive from Minnesota I finally made it back to Iowa City. Nothing like a little ice to make a drive interesting! Anyway here are some thoughts about the show: First of all, I will have to say I thought that Big Wreck was a good band. They weren't a great band, but you really can't expect someone like Rush to be an opener. I guess I would have liked to see a band with a keyboard player too, but oh well. This was the first time I have seen DT live and I noticed that they seemed to be having a lot of fun. There are a lot of band I've seen live who just look like they're doing their job so they can get the heck out of whatever town they're in. I'm not going to write a setlist, and I probably couldn't if I tried. Some of the standouts, though, were UAGM and JLMB. Both of these were very powerfully played and the vocals came through extremely clear. Another great moment was the almost eirie silence while the band played TAMP. I thought that was extremely fitting. Overall, this was the best concert for the money I have ever been to. It may have been the best ever. It was certainly the best mixed. I wish I had a better term to use, but DT sound very "musical" live. If anyone who reads this has never seen them, it is well worth the time and effort to go. Sorry I couldn't stick around after the show to meet some of you. The storm made it a little to tough to get home for me to waste time after the show. BTW, how many of you laughed at the Pat Boone style UAGM? Dave G. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Dave Gonzales "Take care and tempt not the fates" 910 W. Benton #307D Iowa City, Iowa 52246 email:email_address_removed (319)-339-0754 "Cherish your life while you're still around."-Dream Theater %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3200 **************************