YTSEJAM Digest 3197 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Pretty Maids by Cappy 2) Re: DT parody by "Christopher R. Merlo" 3) First post ever by Mohamed Gaffoor 4) weird keyboard thing by email_address_removed 5) Chicago show: ***** SPOILERS ***** by "Paul Gregory Humm" 6) Wacker Blvd. in Chicago by "Paul Gregory Humm" 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3195 by "Richard A. Rivera" 8) Re: Chicago trip/show Part I by Cappy 9) Apology by email_address_removed 10) Portnoy's Drumstick (Promark) by Jeremy Kube 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3196 by email_address_removed 12) WTF? by "Brown, Neal Patrick" 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3195 by The Phoenix 14) Re: WTF? by "Christopher R. Merlo" 15) OPETH by Luke 16) Chicago show by "D. Frantz" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:38:04 -0600 From: Cappy To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Pretty Maids Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 03, 1997 at 08:32:31AM -0800, "Chung Ng" wrote: > > Does anyone have any info on Pretty Maids? I just found a disc called > "Spooked" in the $8 bin at the local import shop and it rocks. I have "Future > World" on tape and was wondering if they're still around. I'd like to get the > rest of their collection. I don't know if there still around, but I seem to remember seeing some Pretty Maids stuff at a local record store dating into the early 90's, so they were around for a bit. The only album I have is Future World, so I haven't heard any of the other stuff. -- Mike Jones, email_address_removed __________ Cappy _________ email_address_removed Progressive Genius ( http://www.progmetal.org ) Progressive Metal Web Ring ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 20:52:53 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT parody Message-ID: > NOT A LOAD-BEARING STRUCTURE > (sung to the tune of "Under Peruvian Skies") Everything about this - even the title - kicks about as much ass as I've seen any previous parody kick. Bravo. (Too bad it's about taboo subject matter. But I think we can look the other way for this one. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:19:23 -0500 (EST) From: Mohamed Gaffoor To: email_address_removed Subject: First post ever Message-ID: 'jammers, I've had theis mailing list for the week and I must admit this is one of the more heavily trafficed list that I've ever been on. A few comments: Apocalyptica> I heard them for the first time at a friends house they other day and I must say I was rather impressed. While yes it's just metallica on cellos, i think it's a great idea. One thing about classical is that it has a sheer power to it (Wagner's Ring, Beethovens 9th with the choral movement) that isn't found in most forms of music except for metal. I think the two complement each other well. I think I would love to see more metal bands incorporate classical symphonic music in their songs. (Are there any that do?) The DT "symbol"> I read in the FAQ that the symbol is really a calligraphic M. I remember when I first saw it (when I got I and W my first DT CD) I thought it was 2 Ds (one facing left and one right), a T an I and a W all enmeshed together. Any comments? "Classical" Musical skill and how it relates to "good music"> One thing I've noticed about some people (I'm not saying that this is a general trait or anything) that like progressive rock is that they tend to dislike music that is not technically complex but just all around fun music. I also see that people who tend to like the "fun" music view the progressive stuff as cold and too technical and feel that the music is technical for the sake of being technical. Any comments? My own feeling on this is that quality of music and trained technical skill are not related. For example, Jimi Hendrix oneof the greatest guitarists of all time (IMO) could not read a lick of music. That's about all for now, Mohamed Gaffoor "The key to faking out the parents is the clammy hands. It's a good non-specific symptom. A lot of people will tell you that a phony fever is a dead lock, but if you get a nervous mother, you could land in the doctor's office. That's worse than school. What you do is, you fake a stomach cramp, and when you're bent over, moaning and wailing, you lick your palms. It's a little childish and stupid, but then, so is high school." -Ferris Beuller commenting on how he got his day off... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:30:01 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: weird keyboard thing Message-ID: This stupid VMS can't snag quotes as far as I can tell, but Chris Ptacek, you said something 'bout the keyboard thing meaning DT's about to start: If it was the same thing played at Toad's place, that's the theme from A Clockwork Orange, I think it's at the beginning while the boys are gettin' uppity at a milk bar, or just before that. josh email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:29:12 -0800 From: "Paul Gregory Humm" To: email_address_removed Subject: Chicago show: ***** SPOILERS ***** Message-ID: Hey everybody! I attended the Chicago show on Saturday, and I have to say that it was the best Dream Theater show I have seen yet, not to mention the most kick-ass time I have had since moving from college to the working world. Seeing Dream Theater for the first time in three years really reminded me what it's all about. It gave me renewed perspective on the music I listen to, renewed motivation to play my own music, and really lifted my spirits in general. Robert Taylor already posted the setlist, so I won't repeat it, but I will say that I was very impressed with their selection of material. Of course there were a few songs I would like to have heard that they didn't play, but unless they play a 3 or 4 hour set, that will always be the case. Scarred blew me away. Period. Metropolis blew me away. Period. Lines in the Sand, well . . . you just have to see them play this one yourself. To say it kicked ass is a gross understatement. The crowd that came to see Dream Theater in Chicago on Nov. 1 has captured the title of most enthusiastic crowd I have seen at any concert, ever. Every person in the crowd was hanging on every note DT played. People were yelling and screaming, clapping with the music, head banging with the music, and just generally going crazy, much more so than at past DT shows I have attended. LaBrie and especially Portnoy seemed very surprised and very happy at the crowd response. It was nice to get a chance to meet some ytsejammers after the show. I talked to Robert Taylor and Chris Ptacek, and briefly spoke with a couple of other people whose names I don't remember. Everyone was very cool. I had originally planned to stick around to try to meet the band and hit the post-show gathering, but my friends were getting a little anxious to take off. Hope the rest of you guys had a good time though! It was also a very cool experience for me because I got to see DT with all my college buddies who I had gone with to see DT three times previously (once on the I&W tour, twice on the Awake tour). It was a bit of a reunion for us, as Shawn is the only one of us who currently lives in the Chicago area. My friend Ryan drove up from Bloomington, IL; my friend Scott flew in from New York City; and I flew in from San Jose, CA. I had a kick ass time hanging out with those guys, and only got a total of 10 hours of sleep Friday, Saturday, and Sunday nights. What a weekend! Mike, John, John, Derek, and James: If any of you ever read this, thank you for playing such a kick-ass show, and THANK YOU FOR PLAYING SCARRED!!! I'll see you guys in Palo Alto, CA on the 12th! Paul ---------------- Paul Humm email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:33:57 -0800 From: "Paul Gregory Humm" To: email_address_removed Subject: Wacker Blvd. in Chicago Message-ID: > don't any more. :) On the way to House of Blues we encounter > That Street It's Fun to Make Fun Of, namely Wacker Boulevard. > Leaving out our cruder jokes, I became, briefly, a Walker on Wacker. > (Those who know me well will recognize a double entendre there. heh) We also had an encounter with Wacker Boulevard and couldn't resist cracking several jokes about it. Anyone else experience this phenomenon? Paul ---------------- Paul Humm email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:49:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3195 Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 email_address_removed wrote: To not like a band because of the vocals, when > you > >like the music, is shallow and pathetic. Personally, singers are the most important part of a band to me. I can't like a band if I don't like the singer. If the singer sucks, it's only then that I'll notice the drummer (of which I am one), then the guitar player, then the keys (if applicable), then the bass (sorry all you bassists). Upon noticing the other band members, I might be impressed with their musicianship, but I can't LIKE the band as a whole. It's that simple. Put it like this: if Charles Dominici had stayed in the band, I wouldn't be on this list right now. End of story. I guess that makes me shallow and pathetic. Oh well. It's not the first time and it won't be the last. Richie P.S. About Transformers: yes, I had virtually every one between the fourth and six grades. I even collected the comics (which I still have somewhere ) up until, if memory serves between #40 - 50 (plus the special editions). But I never got the soundtrack. Who sang that song that goes "You've got the touch...you've got the power...?" Damn good song. Ah, the old days. P.P.S. Currently reading: "KISS and Sell" P.P.P.S Currently listening to: "Raised On Radio" - Journey P.P.P.P.S. i couldn't think of anything else ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:18:43 -0600 From: Cappy To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Chicago trip/show Part I Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 03, 1997 at 02:58:48PM -0800, Paul W. Cashman wrote: > there was no "decent" music channel on the plane. :) I took a cab to HOB and was subjected to elevator music the whole way (oh the pain). At least it was no where near as long as your plane ride :) On the way back to my apartment, fortunately the cabby didn't have a radio so I could let the tunes continue to play in my head (that was one awesome, crazy show!). > really loud and quite bumpy and, on this Halloween night, very > crowded, with many people in costumes. (No decent costumes, > though. We gave out no awards. :)) Great, a chance to stand What do ya mean? We ALWAYS look like that! :) > After tacking against the wind to get to House of Blues (ye gods, > it was windy. Gee, hence the city's nickname), we arrive inside Actually, that's not how the city got its nickname. > I'm sure others have already commented on the just-printed T-shirts; > "uninspired" design aside, it FITS ME (hooray!), but mine has > really weird half-length sleeves. They were probably rushing to > get these shirts out, and I doubt this will be the "full tour" shirt. Hey, at least I now have a T-Shirt!!! The last time I saw DT I was in college (I&W tour) and it was all I could do to even afford the ticket, and the only place I generally buy concert shirts is at the concert (doesn't have the same meaning otherwise). For the same reason, I refuse to buy a CD that is "pre"-signed (like the FII CD's they were selling for $20 at the show). It just means a whole lot more to have something in your collection that was signed while you were standing with the band members talking to them...although I have yet to do this with Dream Theater (I didn't have the chance to stick around Sat night). > Big Wreck weren't as bad as Pat G. said, but they weren't that > great, either. They featured Emilio, Brad Pitt singing and me on > drums. :) Their bassist was fun to watch, but after the lead > singer's comments to Madsman I wouldn't buy so much as a Tootsie > Roll from them, let alone their CD. To continue my previous comments on BW, these guys didn't deserve the harrassment they were getting, but I would have had a lot more respect for them if they would have just shrugged it off and played there stuff. They had no self confidence through their set. Most of the time they kept saying "DT will be on shortly", plus the other comments already stated in this list. As someone else said, maybe this was because they've been getting flack throughout the tour. But I say, show everyone through your music what you can do, not by verbally attacking the crowd...that just turned people off from even listening. Had I seen BW in another setting (opening for someone like Jackyl, for example), I might have liked them a lot more. But when I go to a Dream Theater concert, I'm already in the mindset for complex, tight, meaningful, talented music. Plus it would have been a lot nicer if you could hear the music (the mixing was miserable on this). Standing by the soundboard, it was hard to make out the songs. Anyway, if you like BW when you see them, great, and if you don't, then DT will sound all that much better when they get on! :) -- Mike Jones, email_address_removed __________ Cappy _________ email_address_removed Progressive Genius ( http://www.progmetal.org ) Progressive Metal Web Ring ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:20:02 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Apology Message-ID: Sorry Jammers - I read Chris Ptacek post about sending tape track lists directly to Luke a few minutes after sending one to the Jam. My bad... - Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 23:21:48 -0500 From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: Portnoy's Drumstick (Promark) Message-ID: btw, it's a PRO-MARK 420.... Pellaz told me that there had been a discussion (dispute?) about what Portnoy is using. Well, at least you know what he used Saturday night now! He beat the shit out of it too, it's cracked like a baseball bat in the middle of it. hehe ROCK ON MIKE. Beavis (Wes Foll) I had to reply to this and say "Told you so!" : ) Promark is shit and doesn't hold up.... : ) J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:34:14 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3196 Message-ID: = > From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters > To: email_address_removed > Subject: Re: Making a 90 min. tape of DT stuff/Seattle show > > Chris Ptacek wrote regarding "Operation: Make 'em Love DT": ;) > >Could we maybe all send our set list ideas directly to Luke, and then > >have him post the final result on what he decides to put on the tape? > > Hey, that's a pretty good idea! But don't forget that ppl got into DT > for different reasons: some for metal, some for the "pop" elements, some > for the techically difficult stuff. Maybe we should have several set > lists depending on the type of music the person we want to sway listens > to. Well, actually the reason I have decided I was a fool for considering the idea was a clue from Parmet... something along the lines of "Are you kidding? We can't even decide if DT Sux or Rulez..." :) That's not to say that such tapes wouldn't be effective in swaying possible DT fans, but rather, I think perhaps it's better to just make the tape and share the set list. :) > ~Eckie sings, "Thigh Master, Thigh Magic..." THIEF!!! I won't even tell you what some of my friends thought Mustaine was singing when he said "Rotten egg air of death" > From: Shane Carey > Subject: DT parody > > NOT A LOAD-BEARING STRUCTURE > (sung to the tune of "Under Peruvian Skies") WOW! That was just awesome! I haven't laughed this much since... I'm not gonna bring that up. :) Certainly a fitting EOJ! Make sure to send itchy a copy of this for his parody page! Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 23:13:22 CST From: "Brown, Neal Patrick" To: Subject: WTF? Message-ID: Okay...for some reason everything I've been sending to the Jam lately is boucning, so I'm going to try my university account...Skadz, or anybody who knows anything about computers, it keeps returning my jams with this message: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at hotmail.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresThis is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : 199.184.188.9 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550 Mail from to prohibited from your location (email_address_removed ip=207.82.250.23)Giving up. Say what?!? Anyway....DTC: What other style of singing would suit Carcass?? It suits teh music andIMHO enhances it. You think that is bad!! You should hear their first a3rd album is the best. Necroticism - Descanting the Insalubrious.ver thRiff-o-Rama!! Sometimes i'm glad that the "mainstreamers" don't like itmean, if they are too shallow to listen to something without whinging abthe vocals then they can continue to listen to dance music and stay out my way!--this is a quote, this thing doesn't do those lil greater than/less than signs.... Let me get this straight...I don't consider growling and grunting--in other words, generic death metal vocals--to be singing, so I'm a mainstreamer who listens to dance music? Um...yeah. For one thing, I'm n ot going to be in your way when you listen to some guy going "UH!!!" thr ough a fuzz box. Get real. Secondly, it sounds really cheesy, IMHO. I m ean you can be menacing and scary and dark without acting like Marilyn Manson....fact, you can do it without any vocals at all. (I refer you to King Crimson and Univers Zero...some of that is creepy shit.) Next t ime, please remember to think *before* posting...and I also think that a real singer wouldn't hurt Carcass. No, he doesn't have to sound like Billy Joel, but he could at least have a human-sounding voice... ~Eckie sings, "Thigh Master, Thigh Magic..." ROFL!!! Waaaay back when I first got that album (that was when I still thought CDs weren't worth it...whoa) I was sitting around listening to it and he goes "did he just say Thigh Master?!?" We backed it up, nad we're lookin at the tape goin what the funk?!? We looked at the lyric sheet, but we were laffin about that for days....man, I'd forgotten about that one. =) (Megadeth, *Five* Magics, for the clueless) NOT A LOAD-BEARING STRUCTURE--This is the FUNNIEST DT parody yet!!! Omigosh, it actually makes sense too! =) *splits a rib laughing* Now they're the opening band for the Stones...--oh, how the mighty have fallen.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:30:58 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3195 Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Richard A. Rivera wrote: > Personally, singers are the most important part of a band to me. I can't > like a band if I don't like the singer. This is the same for me. I think this partly explains the phenomenon that I hear something new each time I listen to a DT album. I usually concentrate on the vocals first (being as I don't play anything outside of air guitar). So then I usually miss a lot of the subtleties of the music until a lot of repeated listens. My favorite groups have my favorite vocalists. And I find that if I don't care for the vocalist, the music cannot fully compensate, no matter how good. That may sound unfair, but that's just the way I am. -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | email_address_removed Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 00:41:32 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: WTF? Message-ID: > Now they're [Metallica] the opening band for the Stones...--oh, how the > mighty have fallen.... Wait, that wasn't a joke? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:47:32 +1000 From: Luke To: ytsejam Subject: OPETH Message-ID: >Well, I dunno. Have you ever bought a cd that has a problem that you >just can't get over? When I posted my opinion about OPETH originally, this was exactly the point I was trying to get across. I did listen to them a few more times, mainly because of the interesting moods and atmospheres created by the instrumental side of the band, but the lead singer's death vocals, prevent me from fully appreciating this band. I just can't help it, for me this sort of singing (should I call it singing??) will *never* appeal to me. Some think that death vocals are clever or are a good tool for conveying the mood of the music or whatever, but I *hate* them. The same goes for bad, non-death vocals. I love FW, but I won't get any albums which contain John Arch. He makes me cringe. Not even after I've heard so much positive aspects about Awaken the Guardian. All though the two sound completely different, IMHO death vocals sound as immature as the 'teeny-weeny' pop vocals of Hanson. (WTF ?!? you say) It sounds as if the vocals are trying to be characterised by some sort of theme or style. Hanson sounds as if they're like one of the Muppets or some Sesame Street character, while death vocals sound as if they think they're a werewolf or some other evil, ficticious, nocturnal creature. I'm *NOT* saying this is what the intensions of the lead singers actually are....but this is the way they come across to me. So what if I'm shallow ? Couldn't give a f**k. But I'd take LaBrie, Alder or Russell Allen (from SymphX) any day over a death singer. (I should get a few flames outta that.) Luke. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:56:43 -0600 (CST) From: "D. Frantz" To: email_address_removed Subject: Chicago show Message-ID: First of all, a quick thanx to Chris Ptacek for his advice. For future shows, I will either hand out pamphlets or wear a shirt outlining everything anyone needs to know about my Majesty necklace, as I didn't anticipate every person at the venue to keep asking about it. >'Twas great, too, to hear the, err, "Spastik Children version" of >Deep Purple's "Perfect Strangers," even if James forgot the words. >They were having so much FUN. :) Esp. when JP added that "sweet" fill towards the end which the guys and the crowd loved. Woulda been a perfect show for them to put out on video, although the poor soundboard guy probably would've had cuts and bruises from Mike whipping sticks at him for screwin up his sound for so long. Did anyone else notice Seinfeld on the space helmet tv? YA!! >hahah! That would have been me and about 4 other people! I am >proud to say that I got it and have it proudly sitting on my computer >desk to admire at all times. bwauaahahahah!! 8) I don't know how you ended up w/ that thing w/ all of us tearing each other apart, but congrats man! "Living comes much easier...once we admit...we're dying." ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3197 **************************