YTSEJAM Digest 3196 Today's Topics: 1) Chicago trip/show Part I by "Paul W. Cashman" 2) Mosaic by The Phoenix 3) re: NM lyrix by Wes Foll 4) Palo Alto YtseGathering by "Neil Evans" 5) Boo-yaa Bullwinkle by Kevin Madden 6) Death Vocals! by Paul Dyer 7) Dark tranquillity by Paul Dyer 8) Opeth by Paul Dyer 9) transformers? by email_address_removed 10) Re:Portnoy's drumstick in Chicago by Wes Foll 11) Big What? by email_address_removed 12) Jussa Lil More by email_address_removed 13) Re: Making a 90 min. tape of DT stuff/Seattle show by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters 14) HELP FOR LUKE... DT IN 90 MINUTES! by email_address_removed 15) Re: misheard by email_address_removed 16) portnoy jam thing by email_address_removed 17) DT parody by Shane Carey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Chicago trip/show Part I Message-ID: Okay, one-word summary of the Chicago show: Terrific! In fact, it was the best DT show I've yet seen. :) Here's a two-part look at how our weekend went, with comments on the show. There are no tour spoilers in either. For me, one of the biggest surprises came on the plane ride home! Part I: Wes "Beavis" Foll and I flew up Friday night before the show on a Delta L-1011 TriStar that left almost an hour late because they apparently overfilled it with fuel and they had to do some paperwork. Joy-y-y-y-y..... I was in the very last row of the plane and in the middle, so I didn't get to see much out the windows -- it was like sitting in a movie theater that moves around afterwards. Worse, there was no "decent" music channel on the plane. :) After an uneventful -- though quite bumpy, especially for a beast as big as an L-1011 -- arrival at O'Hare it was time for the loong two-leg train ride to Wes' sister Kelly's apartment. Chicago Transit Authority trains cover a lot of territory, but they're really loud and quite bumpy and, on this Halloween night, very crowded, with many people in costumes. (No decent costumes, though. We gave out no awards. :)) Great, a chance to stand up for an hour and avoid falling into other people. We'll get many more chances to do THAT before the weekend's over..... It's night so we don't see too much of Chicago itself. Foot Punishment I: Next day, with Kelly playing hooky from her classes at the Art Institute we decided to go to Tower Records before the show, then walk uptown to House of Blues. Yeah, we were gluttons for foot punishment, but we wanted to see parts of Chicago. It looks, uh, old. :) Tower had a copy of Ozric Tentacles' ERPSONGS. They don't any more. :) On the way to House of Blues we encounter That Street It's Fun to Make Fun Of, namely Wacker Boulevard. Leaving out our cruder jokes, I became, briefly, a Walker on Wacker. (Those who know me well will recognize a double entendre there. heh) After tacking against the wind to get to House of Blues (ye gods, it was windy. Gee, hence the city's nickname), we arrive inside where I'm immediately greeted by Pat "Gabbo" Griffin. Yay, a fmailiar face. Irene's there too, and so is Chris "Madsman" Ptacek (who's only one percent as evil in person as he is online :)). Other Jammers I remember meeting were Chris' Maddie, BigMan and MattyMo from IRC, Ryan Good (who WAS able to get a ticket for his friend, hooray), and several others whose names, alas, I've currently spaced. Great to meet other jammers as always! Foot punishment II: long wait in line, and again at the stage, but we're RIGHT THERE at the stage, me and Wes. Closest I've ever been to the stage for DT, hooray. I wasn't about to go anywhere. :) House of Blues is a beautiful venue, so it was easy to see why DT's photog was taking shot after shot during their set. Those in front will probably be in some of these if they're used, so keep an eye out. I'm sure others have already commented on the just-printed T-shirts; "uninspired" design aside, it FITS ME (hooray!), but mine has really weird half-length sleeves. They were probably rushing to get these shirts out, and I doubt this will be the "full tour" shirt. Big Wreck weren't as bad as Pat G. said, but they weren't that great, either. They featured Emilio, Brad Pitt singing and me on drums. :) Their bassist was fun to watch, but after the lead singer's comments to Madsman I wouldn't buy so much as a Tootsie Roll from them, let alone their CD. Those forthcoming DT songs followed, and Wes and I agreed that "The Way Things Ought To Be" sounded the most impressive of the bunch. Then, right on cue as we yelled "Rooster!", Alice in Chains started. Whee...we're only five minutes away from sonic nirvana! :) Continued in Part II. :) -- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | email_address_removed | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... --+---- ICQ #4151223 -----+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:37:37 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix To: email_address_removed Subject: Mosaic Message-ID: Well, I got Mosaic in the mail today. I am #37 for those of you wondering when you might get yours. The Odjeda demos were hilarious. MP doing hardcore. It is interesting to say the least. Good thing MP doesn't write lyrics like these for DT :) (if he's the one who wrote them. And the live versions of some of the FII songs were decent, too. Nothing like seeing them live, though. JLMB and ToT stuck closest to the album version, which is strange since many of you have said that the solos to ToT seem improvised. Another thing, you can hear some mumbling of the crowd in some of the softer moments of the songs. Not too distracting, just sounds like your there. Kind of sounds like they put on samples of noise from a restaurant or diner or something :) -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | email_address_removed Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:13:38 -0500 (EST) From: Wes Foll To: email_address_removed Subject: re: NM lyrix Message-ID: >brought it up once or twice to people), but in "New Millenium", I always >hear "People who go through flesh" instead of "People so cold, ruthless" I always think I hear: In with the cold ruthless. heh. I think it sounds cool that way too. Beavis (Wes Foll) /| http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || To: email_address_removed Subject: Palo Alto YtseGathering Message-ID: This is just a reminder to jammers going to the Palo Alto, 11/12 DT show that I am hosting a gathering after the show lasting into the wee hours of the night at my apartment. I live about 10 minutes from The Edge (in Redwood City). Please email me privately at email_address_removed and I'll send you details. For those who have already expressed interest, you should receive email from me today with details (I sent it before this message). Please let me know if you did not receive the message. informatively, -Neil. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:20:07 -0500 From: Kevin Madden To: email_address_removed Subject: Boo-yaa Bullwinkle Message-ID: Mat the Nit said: >Just returned from a great weekend. First I drove from Michigan Tech >where I go to school to Detroit on thurs night with five of my friends. All I have to say is, "dude." If you drove that far in one night, you are the man. That's gotta be 14 hours. Look out for moose. /me shakes his head Oh yeah, about Portnoy having time, Jon, you said he has none what with the kid; is the kid on tour? CD of the Day: Cynic - Focus Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat - Detroit Red Wings 7-2 11-2-2 vs Rams at Carolina Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:07:59 +0900 From: Paul Dyer To: email_address_removed Subject: Death Vocals! Message-ID: >>That stuff drives me nuts. Carcass is horrible about that. I mean, I >>still have the Heartwork album, and it kicks my ass (7/32? No way!) but >>the grunting and shit bothers me no end. It's not singing, it's >>theatrics...I'd venture to say that's got a significant amount to do >>with why metal isn't taken seriously...mainstreamers think it's all a >>bunch of devil worshippers or something. What other style of singing would suit Carcass?? It suits teh music and IMHO enhances it. You think that is bad!! You should hear their first album Reek of Putrefaction. It's hardly distinguishable as music. However their 3rd album is the best. Necroticism - Descanting the Insalubrious. Riff-o-Rama!! Sometimes i'm glad that the "mainstreamers" don't like it. I mean, if they are too shallow to listen to something without whinging about the vocals then they can continue to listen to dance music and stay out of my way! Cheers paul D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:15:10 +0900 From: Paul Dyer To: email_address_removed Subject: Dark tranquillity Message-ID: Roger wrote: >>BTW, do any of you know about a band called Dark Tranquillity >>(it's not a typo)?? I've heard that they are the masters of melodic death >>metal, but I can't find their albums. Talk about obscure. Yeah man I have heard them. I have all their albums. the first one is called "Skydancer" and can be bought with their first EP as a bonus. The second album is called "The Gallery". This album is awesome but sometimes a victim of it's own tecnicality. They then released an EP called "Enter Suicidal Angels" which has a techno remix on it!! Also their latest album released this year is called "The Minds I" This is much more raw and brutal!! I'm sure most prog fans will like them if they can get past the vocals!!! You should be able t get them at any shop which gets European metal. They are not rare - I don't think...... Cheers paul D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:19:40 +0900 From: Paul Dyer To: email_address_removed Subject: Opeth Message-ID: >>>Heavy rotation on mtv? >>>yeah right, like that would ever happen... I don't even get MTv. And from what i hear - I'm not too worried! Cheers paul D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:40:14 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: transformers? Message-ID: this is sooooooo not DTC, but I have to reply to anything to do w/transformers! I never actually saw the movie, :( but I read the comic book avidly, and as I remember, the whole thing went to hell not long after that movie came out. heh. I've still got perceptor; he guards my fridge as we speak(I'm 22). josh email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:41:49 -0500 (EST) From: Wes Foll To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:Portnoy's drumstick in Chicago Message-ID: >to this?" After recieving plenty of mean look he stoped. People were >going nuts trying to get Portnoys drum stick, they must have fought for >5 min. hahah! That would have been me and about 4 other people! I am proud to say that I got it and have it proudly sitting on my computer desk to admire at all times. bwauaahahahah!! 8) btw, it's a PRO-MARK 420.... Pellaz told me that there had been a discussion (dispute?) about what Portnoy is using. Well, at least you know what he used Saturday night now! He beat the shit out of it too, it's cracked like a baseball bat in the middle of it. hehe ROCK ON MIKE. Beavis (Wes Foll) /| http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || > Some misheard lyrics from Scarred... > > Can't let them rape me again > Your venom's not venomy here > won't let them fill me with > feather-lipstick rubber maids... This may top all other misheard lyrics (except, of course, the dancing turtle... :) > From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" > Subject: the wreck.... > you get what you give, Maddy, I figure they were rude cuz *you* (chicago > crowd) probably weren't pleasant to 'em..... While I agree with you, that it's understandable for a band to get upset if they're heckled, it's certainly not a quality I would consider professional for the band to start throwing insults. At the Chicago show, about half of the crowd was getting into Big Wreck (judging by applause after each song), while the other half was either indifferent (as I was), or disliked the band (I won't GAB too long about anyone in particular from this group... :). Anyway, if the guys in Big Wreck were conscious of that, I don't think they would have been bitching at us, because I think they lost a lot of possible fans with that crap. Still... they weren't BAD, and we're all human. I sort of liked the guitarist... he did some things, as I mentioned, that reminded me of Morse (from a technical and melodic standpoint). I agree with whoever said it earlier... screwing up your song to take a drink or grab a smoke rates very high on my list of "Things you can do to fuck up your stage presence in front of DT fans" :) When Eddie does it in front of VH fans, it goes over a whole lot better. Incidentally, I didn't hear what made someone comment on how great the bassist was... Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:10:34 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Jussa Lil More Message-ID: > This is such a common thread that I think if we can come to an > agreement on what would make a good tape setlist, we should add it to > the FAQ. (Oh boy, am I gonna get FAQed if it's already there!). > Could we maybe all send our set list ideas directly to Luke, and then > have him post the final result on what he decides to put on the tape? Please forget I mentioned this, altogether. Jon Parmet has shown me the error of my ways. :) Muahahahaha! > From: Matt Stanich > Subject: *** Chicago Spoiler*** > seemes to be a dispute as to what was yelled. I can tell you 100% that > "Hell Ya Budweiser rules" was what was yelled. How do I know this for > sure?? Because I yelled it, yes thats right I'm the bud guy. LOL! That was YOU? I was the "How many guitars do you need?" guy when he picked up his 5th guitar in as many songs (he literally did change guitars for every song... these were mostly expensive guitars too... they must be making some bucks!) > That comment was not to you, but another jammer in the front row (not > me). I won't say who, though ;-) Well, it wasn't to me either, cuz he went on to say something like "Well, when you've been playing guitar as long as I have, blah blahblah blah blah blah. Blah." to which the whole crowd sort of rolled it's collective eyes. *****EXCERPT FROM A SPOILER***** > The set list for the Chicago show was the following: > Well, first, before the DT, over the speakers they played: > Cover My Eyes (which is still stuck in my head) > Raise The Knife > Where Are You Now > The Way It Used To Be > Speak To Me > Rooster (Alice In Chains) Don't forget the weird keyboard almost ambient thing right after the Rooster. According to Pat Griffin, that's your sign that they're about ready to open the curtains! Hasta! Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:14:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Making a 90 min. tape of DT stuff/Seattle show Message-ID: Chris Ptacek wrote regarding "Operation: Make 'em Love DT": ;) >Could we maybe all send our set list ideas directly to Luke, and then >have him post the final result on what he decides to put on the tape? Hey, that's a pretty good idea! But don't forget that ppl got into DT for different reasons: some for metal, some for the "pop" elements, some for the techically difficult stuff. Maybe we should have several set lists depending on the type of music the person we want to sway listens to. ----- Now, on to the SEATTLE SHOW.... Ken and I finally (already?) bought our tickets over the TicketBastard [tm] Web site... pretty nice, though I still don't trust buying stuff over the Internet. Anyway, we're DEFINITELY going unless there's bad weather in Seattle or the number of ppl on the plane changes. (We fly standby all the time!) Is anyone else going? I haven't checked that YtseGatherings page lately, but the last time I did, no one was signed up. Anyone going/meeting or will Ken and I be the only ones fighting to catch MP's sticks and "oysters"? ;) -Nicole/Kirby Nicole Rene Stachowicz McWatters | The sleep is still in my eyes Undergrad Professional Writing Major | The dream is still in my head University of Houston-Downtown | I heave a sigh and ... smile email_address_removed | And lie a while in bed. http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 | Kirby on irc.dreamt.org | "Soliloquy" _2112_ by Rush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:06:28 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: HELP FOR LUKE... DT IN 90 MINUTES! Message-ID: Hey there - This post is in response to a plea from Luke regarding what to put on a 90 minute DT tape to give someone a taste of the band. Well, funny that this should be brought up, because I did that very thing a few months ago. The following is the track listing of the tape I made for my co-worker. I called it "The Smile Of Dawn". (I've always liked that line... :-) ) Unfortunately, at the time when the tape was made, FII had not yet been released, so none of that material is found on it. Also, I had to take into consideration song lengths in order to fit the maximum amount of music, but still have it flow nicely. Furthermore, it should be said that all songs fit almost perfectly on a 90 minute tape. So without further adieu, here ya go: SIDE A Funeral For a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding (LIVE) Pull Me Under Lie (EDIT) Innocence Faded Take the Time Space-Dye Vest SIDE B Afterlife The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun Lifting Shadows Off a Dream To Live Forever Metropolis Part I Learning To Live Well, there it is. God, there was so much material I wanted to include but had to cut due to time considerations. Hope this helps. Buh Bye..... Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:23:31 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: misheard Message-ID: While this thread's still flopping around.... > ROFL!!! I always hear > "Wont let them fill > me with fodder less than robin eggs..." Heh heh, mebbe it's just me 'n my inferior, juvenile metalhead mind, but I always hear, "Won't let them feel me with their elastic rubber nads!" :) ~Eckie sings, "Thigh Master, Thigh Magic..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:49:30 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: portnoy jam thing Message-ID: I think mike's gonna laugh when he gets to the recent jams, and finds out how much deliberation went into this "project". Hey, why don't you color code them for easy filing, while you're at it? :) He just wants to read some jams, for god's sake. josh email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:35:31 -0800 From: Shane Carey To: email_address_removed Subject: DT parody Message-ID: NOT A LOAD-BEARING STRUCTURE (sung to the tune of "Under Peruvian Skies") There There it is I swear I saw mascara on Kirk's lids 'Kay Now I'm sure Just turn off the sound and tell me isn't that the Cure? Maybe Venusian spies Have stolen Metallica's brains Replaced them with four other guys Who make up for sucking by painting their eyes Fans are bereft Now that they're left with a Load that they've soon come to hate Poor Metallica... Poor, poor Metallica. Damn We shoulda known Their last good song was "Anywhere I Roam" Shame... What's wrong with James? Sounds like he was singing this while strung out on cocaine On a Columbian high Metallica painfully sucks Short hair and shit on their eyes And after "And Justice..." it's such a surprise Fans are bereft Now that they're left with a Load that they've soon come to hate Poor Metallica Poor Metallica Lots of new fans Can dig that scooped tone Now they're the opening band for the Stones... Maybe Venusian spies Have stolen Metallica's brains Replaced them with four other guys Who make up for sucking by painting their eyes Gone is the time When they were sublime And wrote stuff that sounded like this... ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3196 **************************