YTSEJAM Digest 3186 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Chris Ptacek by email_address_removed 2) Re: Bass Stuff (Thonk), people who can/can't read music by "Christopher R. Merlo" 3) webpage update by Chip Alexander 4) Re: Chris Ptacek by CLARK ABEL 5) Whole lotta stuff, some DTC by "Neal Brown" 6) Just Let Me Breed by Michael Bahr 7) Ytse-Stats, Tabs, DT Poll, Marillion, CD prices, DT's "Best times", "Hypocrite" by Mark Bredius 8) video = single ??? by email_address_removed 9) i saw DT live!!!! & stuff by Santiago Leon 10) The active posters of ytsejam by Rogerio Brito 11) EVH and God by Bert Baldwin 12) Re: DT in PC world by "Christopher R. Merlo" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:34:10 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Chris Ptacek Message-ID: > > From: Clark Abel > > Subject: Chris Ptacek > > He is *so* open-minded. Only problem with the above statement is that > > you are defining what the list is designed for by what you want to see on it. Read the subscription letter, Clark. That's your YtseWebster's Dictionary of "Get a Clue". I'm asking EVERYONE on the list... what's so wrong about preferring content that fits the guidelines of the subscription rules? The rest of your post was just trash talking because you want me to look bad for some reason. I'm not biting. I don't care how I look, and I don't care how you look, Clark. I didn't respond, because I know it would only annoy people more. There is no reason for me to defend myself against you, Clark. There are limits to even *my* immaturity. I guess you must really want me to respect you or something.... geez. When I said "cry" I was sort of joking... don't take me so seriously. Take care, Ytses! - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:33:19 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Bass Stuff (Thonk), people who can/can't read music Message-ID: > The capability to sightread in my own as well in the experience of others > (and I'm speaking of professional musicians here) -- exception 'acourse > being geniuses (I always think of Stu Goldberg here) having received an > excellent (i.e. most bass folks who have learned to sightread > Brandenburgian Concertos at school nevertheless will have a hard time > reading transcriptions of say the stuff that JM is playing) education > starting from early childhood -- very much depends on continous practice, > i.e. it tends to get better as you have a lot of jobs requiring it (resp. > writing actually by *writing*) whereas as you tend to loose some of it in > situations where you mostly play just from memory, and it seems to be > especially worse in case of jazz bass players as what you see printed in > the Real and other fake books:-) has more or less "only" (in fact knowing > your options for walking bass line over bebopish changes 4 bars in advance > is another art form...) the value of a lead sheet while mostly improvising. [I was thinking of snipping this, but that could have detracted from its meaninglessness.] Isn't it sad when bad things happen to good sentences? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:39:14 -0600 From: Chip Alexander To: fates list , ytseham Subject: webpage update Message-ID: Hi Just finished putting some more music on my page. This round includes a live Pink Floyd track taken from a bootleg of a 1971 BBC recording, a track from Jim Matheos' solo album, and a live track by the French prog Heldon, recorded in 1978. -- Chip http://www.eden.com/~chips email_address_removed email_address_removed Kuhal on irc.dreamt.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 02:14:39 -0500 (EST) From: CLARK ABEL To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Chris Ptacek Message-ID: I apologize to everyone who doesn't want to see this... I realize that it is nothing more than ego that makes me do this, but I must respond to Chris. If people think less of me for it, so be it. > Read the subscription letter, Clark. That's your YtseWebster's >Dictionary of "Get a Clue". I'm asking EVERYONE on the list... >what's so wrong about preferring content that fits the guidelines of >the subscription rules? Nothing, obviously. But the guidelines of the subscription rules are not nearly so clear-cut as you make them out to be. Your interpretation of those guidelines is obviously different from some other peoples'. > The rest of your post was just trash talking because you want me >to look bad for some reason. It most certainly was not. Everything I said was true. And given the scope of the accusations I made against you, you would respond if you had an answer. I did not resort to name-calling, and I didn't insult your mother or anything like that. This is exactly what I was talking about. You have no clever response, so you pretend the response is below you. Well, I've seen you stoop alot lower than this argument, so don't pretend I'm not worth your time. > I'm not biting. Again... you pretend it's all below you. But if you possessed the maturity you claim to, you wouldn't have responded at all. As always, you are conveniently ignoring what you can't write off as untrue. > I didn't respond, because I know it would only annoy people more. Then what am I quoting. You're not so righteous as you make yourself out to be. And I am no better for continuing this further, but I wouldn't put myself on the pedastal you have placed yourself on. When someone attacks me in a public forum, I defend myself. Maybe I should be above this , but I'm not. Don't pretend you are when you continue to respond to me. > There is no reason for me to defend myself against you, Clark. This is getting redundant, but again, you bothered to respond. > There are limits to even *my* immaturity. Another of your clever little tricks. Throw in a little self- depracating humor so you don't seem like such an asshole. It doesn't change the purpose of your post, though, which isn't nearly so humble. > I guess you must really want me to respect you or >something.... geez. Of course that would be nice... so now am I wrong for that? Wanting the respect of others... what a crime. > When I said "cry" I was sort of joking... don't >take me so seriously. Same old bullshit. You said in a public forum that I was not worth responding to because you had no respect for me. That is not a joke... or even "sort of " a joke. And now, when it all comes back out you, you try and duck responsibility for what you said. The tone of your post was hardly good-natured. I apologize again for this, but I've explained why I feel the need to respond. I'm not proud of it. -Clark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:32:59 PST From: "Neal Brown" To: email_address_removed Subject: Whole lotta stuff, some DTC Message-ID: >Hey Chris and Clark are big boys and can defend themselves. Leave it >to them. Take this thing private NOW, before the shit hits the fan. Before? >Check out Steve Smith of "Journey" fame. He uses trad grip and he >f**ken goes off in Rock and Jazz drumming...totally awesome. He could >easily pull of MP's solo in YtseJam with his technique. > >But you're right, it does seem near impossible to pull of really >dynamic shit using trad grip, but it's been done. Dynamic shit isn't the hard part....it's getting from drum to drum accurately that's really difficult. Or if you've got a giant set like MP's got, where you have everything but the proverbial sink, traditional grip is almost ludicrous IMHO... >Jazz is also a big traditional grip field. . and there are some jazz >drummers with monster chops! I guess it depends on how you train Well, duh...I dunno why I didn't think of this before I posted the first time.... >I was wondering what the religious beliefs of DT were, and how >tied-in to the music they are (the old verse3 from TAMP, and some >parts of voices make me wonder)? ]From what I understand, the band is very atheistic...Take The Time, ACOS (particularly Another World), Voices, and Lines In The Sand all indicate that to me...Surrounded, Afterlife, and The Silent Man do too, except they're not quite as in-your-face about it. (The band's theme is Carpe Diem....that's how MP signs everything, remember? Carpe Diem is not necessarily a Judeo-Christian theme....) >Never count it.. . it's the feel that matters! Well, I don't...if I'm trying figger it out by ear I count it like that, but when I play I *never* count...I end up concentrating on the numbers (does four come before or after seven?) and I lose the feel.... BTW, two things for St. Louis jammers....is DT getting any play on KSHE or anything? (If KPNT plays ANY DT I will kill myself. ;) ) Also, do any of you remember the band Anacrusis? I just rediscovered a couple of their albums last week...heh heh, I forgot how much I enjoy those guys. Division has got to be one of the creepiest songs about relationships ever. =) (Chad Smith, one of their drummers, went on to play in the Red Hot Chili Peppers, as I understand it...what a shift in style) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 01:14:27 -0700 From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Just Let Me Breed Message-ID: This is way off-colour humor, so the prude need not read any further. :) "Just Let Me Breed" Open your eyes And zip down your fly He'll perk right up, folks, 'cuz he ain't blind A growing friend Cause she's buck naked Spreads her legs And she's ready to take it... yeeeaaahh!!!! YEEEAAAHHH!!! Just close your eyes, you can feel all you need with your thighs! The dick moves in and out of her Until she hits her peak And then her moans go through the roof Copulating Fornicating Feel your John inside her box And let him spurt instead of being stopped All bottled up and bursting out in a stream I'm there! Just let me breed! A daily dose of t & a Will keep your Willy mighty pleased Tori Amos, or Pamela Lee It's every young man's fantasy... Yeeah-heeeahhh! Yeahh!! Just close your eyes you can find it in her inner thighs! Strips off all her working clothes to Satin lingerie and then She opens wide, step inside, Ovulating, 'jaculating Egg meets sperm inside her box One cell makes two, and soon you've got lots, Conceived in May and then come next new spring, Nine Months Just let me breed! Strike up your best erotic posture Spread and then I'll enter! Let's not forget that birth control pill All my rubbers have failed me Now they're torn and thrown away... Just watch her body as it grows to incredible size The big machines in Obstectrics Ward Pre-natal care insurance we can't afford He's got your eyes Your dimples too And all that sex we had it Gave us someone new Feed my kid And be his dad and mom Until the years go by And it's his senior prom He and she At motel 63 They'll jump in bed and then... Just let them breed!! I hope you all enjoyed this brief bit of humor today. :) -- -Mike Bahr/Prism Records email_address_removed -http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:24:40 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: Ytse-Stats, Tabs, DT Poll, Marillion, CD prices, DT's "Best times", "Hypocrite" Message-ID: Richard Banister wrote : > Considering there are only like 25 people out of 800 who post to > the jam... Ok, stats time: Period : October 1997 Digests : 3049 - 3185 Messages : 2259 Posters : 454 Check out Itchy's Dream Theater Homepage for October's Most Frequent Posters and Domain lists: http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm You'll also find all the Dream Theater parodies on that page as well as the Ytsejam's Birthday Calendar. Richard also wrote : >> Does anyone have or know where I can get a quality transcription of >> Ytsejam? Preferably with solos. > > You can check out the OLGA. they have a number of DT tabs. however, > it hasn't grown "Under A Cyber Moon" has 27 guitar, bass and drum tabs for those who are interested. I've also just started a poll on that site : Under A Cyber Moon's All-Time Favourite Bands Poll http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ Ever wondered what OTHER bands Dream Theater fans like ? Well, here's your chance to find out. During November '97 people will be able to vote for their five OTHER all-time favourite bands. The results will be published on Under A Cyber Moon, at the beginning of December. _____ Jeff Taylor wrote : > Anyway, on to my real reason for posting. I'm looking to buy some new > music I was wondering if anyone on this list would be able to help me. > Could anyone (Itchy?) tell me if _The Best Of Both Worlds_ is a good > album to start with someone who has never heard any Marillion before? That would be the perfect album to start with, because it has one CD with Fish on vocals, and one with Steve Hogarth on vocals. See which songs you like *best* and take it from there :-) It's a special CD to me personally, because I made up the title for that one ! Months before it was released, there was a title competition on Marillion's mailinglist. Me and three or four other guys sent in that title, and won a nifty print of both album covers with it. The print is signed by *all* the guys in Marillion, Fish, Jon Arnison (manager) and Mark Wilkinson and Bill Smith (who made all the Marillion cover art). :-) Anyway, if you decide to get "BOBW", mail me with the songs you like best so I can suggest which album you could try next. ____ Trevor W. Hoit wrote : > Recently this base price has been increased by greedy record labels. > Stores want to increase or at least maintain thier current profit > margin so that is why a lot of new cds are selling at $17.99!! Don't ever move to Holland, 'cuz new CD's cost about $21 over here. _____ Till Wagner wrote : > for all you people out there who are dissapointed by the new D.T. cd > or want to listen to some "Images & Words" type of music: Check out > the selftitled debut cd of ARKHE'. This italian based band sounds > exactly like D.T. in theit best times. That would be '89 - '98 (so far) _____ Clark Abel wrote : > You are truly a hypocrite. I have come to realize we're all hypocrites at one point or another. I have also noticed everyone (including me) has a double standard at one point or another... Let's quit the name calling and bitching and try to be nice to eachother for a bit. Try it, you may even like it. NAME: Mark Bredius URL: http://www.a-vip.com/Itchy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 10:54:57 -0800 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: video = single ??? Message-ID: CHEESE AND RICE!!! Stop posting so much, I can't catch up. :) I've been trying to go through all my jams but I figured that'll be awhile. So, I read the current jam(forget the number) and goddamnit what's wrong with you people? ;-) I have a question...When is Hollow Years coming out as a single? I mean, I know they made a video for it. So where's the single? That's how it works, right? > From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: Re: Chris Ptacek > (the Bahr Wars being the best example). ^^^^^^^^^ I still think that "Beside A Horrible Riot" is better. :) John McCabe email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 11:13:38 -0500 From: Santiago Leon To: DT freaks Subject: i saw DT live!!!! & stuff Message-ID: wuz up jammers!!!... i just wanted to let everybody know how much DT kicked ass in Columbus, OH... man!... they were awesome... james was (almost) perfect, and he has improved a lot as a front man... i can talk for days about the concert, all the guys played soooo good... anyway, i got to meet the guys after the show... they were extremely cool as always, got some autographs and pictures... one thing that was kind of weird is that John Myung never came out of the bus... the crew said that he is very shy... i don't know abut you guys, but i don't buy it... i mean, the guy stands in front of thousands of people each day, and he can't come out and write 20 "jh mydj" ???...(that's the way autographs usaully read :o)...)... im not trying to bitch about it... it's not a big deal, john m already gave what i wanted (for the mentally impaired, his music)... it's only that the excuse they gave was kind of lame... contributing a little to the "musicians-appreciate-more-bla-bla" thread... i went o the concert with two friends... neither was a DT fan... one of them has played piano for 9 years... after the concert... the non-musician was like "it was cool, but didn't do anything for me"...on the other hand the musician was completely in state of shock!!!... couldn't believe there could be so much talent packed in a band... she was like "i hate you!... you know i'm broke and now i'll have to buy all of these guys records..."... at last someone understands my craziness about DT... has something that evident ever happened to anyone???.. i don't try to insult anyone, and don't start with the "you can't generalize with one example" shit... ok?... i just wanted to give you jammers some food for thought... another thing that shocked my friend is that they are so modest that it seems they don't know how good they are!!!... the guys are the greatest!!! by the way, thanks (a LOT) Lisa... :o)... later... PD: for the jammers that went to the columbus show, was it M***llica's One (you know... you can't say that word or skadz will unsub you :o)..) at the end of the encore??? -- +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | | And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend| | Santiago A. León | And I'll never be open again | | email_address_removed | And I'll have no more dreams to defend | | | And I'll never be open again | | | Kevin Moore, Dream Theater | +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:25:11 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The active posters of ytsejam Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Nov 1997, Mark Bredius wrote: > Richard Banister wrote : > > > Considering there are only like 25 people out of 800 who post to > > the jam... > > Ok, stats time: > > Period : October 1997 > Digests : 3049 - 3185 > Messages : 2259 > Posters : 454 I think that the meant active/frequent posters, the ones you'll be certain that will be replying to your messages tomorrow. A lot of the messages on this list are from people asking "Please unsubscribe me from this list! I can't keep up with you." []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:45:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin To: The YtseJam mailing list Subject: EVH and God Message-ID: I personally think that if EVH wants to attribute his talent for playing and writing music to God, more power to him. To me, it seems a lot more selfless (less selfish?) to attribute a talent to a higher being than to take all the credit for yourself. Which is harder to do? Take all your own credit, or give it up to God? Just a thought. -- Bert Baldwin email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:16:28 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT in PC world Message-ID: > Was I the only one to reach the "you've been had" page or did I just ruin > the prank for anyone without enough free time to look it up yet? No, some of us are fortunate enough that we don't use any Micro$oft products, and are immune to pranks like this. :) -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3186 **************************