YTSEJAM Digest 3180 Today's Topics: 1) Dream Theater audio DVD by email_address_removed.ca (Rick Barkhouse) 2) Stratovarius by "Adam Cook" 3) by "Neal Brown" 4) New ytsejammer !! by "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" 5) Quick Toronto review by "Brian Anderson" 6) Re: Misheard lyrics, Marillion, Michael Hedges by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 7) The Fire speaks. by Carol Dellinger 8) Re: New ytsejammer !! by Rogerio Brito 9) Angra and Viper by Rogerio Brito 10) Chris: by Richard Banister 11) glad to see... by Michael Burstin 12) Yanni by Steve Zebrowski ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:17:15 -0400 (AST) From: email_address_removed.ca (Rick Barkhouse) To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater audio DVD Message-ID: I don't know if any of you saw this on the a.m.d-t newsgroup, but I thought it was pretty damn funny :) >> What if Dream Theater decided to do an audio DVD? >hehehe... >So a note from Mike would look something like this: > >Hi Guys! >I just wanted you to know, our new DVD, "Godot" is coming out in January! >We recorded over 9 hours of music, but because of manufacturing >limitations with single-sided DVD's or something, we can only put 7 hours >on... Anyways, here's the tracks we've completed! > >1) Harp of the Grey Rose (57:26) -- Lyrics by DS, dL > Part One: The Grey Rose > Part Two: Talk to Me -- Hickathrift Trummel > Part Three: Telynros (Instrumental) > Part Four: Stonestream (Ballad of Calman) > Part Five: Wistlore > Part Six: Gwenya (Instrumental) > Part Seven: Deepdelve > Part Eight: The Red Hounds > Part Nine: The Dark Rose > Part Ten: Twilight's Songweaver (Instrumental) >2) Something Remains (4:37) -- Lyrics by JP >3) Vertigo (12:51) -- Instrumental >4) Three Years (In The Sahara) (27:28) -- Lyrics by DS >5) Waiting For... (30:01) -- Instrumental >6) Godot (63:57) -- Lyrics by JM >7) Will Anybody Miss You? (3:21) -- Lyrics by JP >8) Turn Away (4:28) -- Lyrics by JP >9) Infinite Permutations (49:12) -- Lyrics by JM >10) And The Wheel Turns (5:01) -- Lyrics by JP >11) A Million Light-Years Away (28:10) -- Lyrics by MP >12) The Beholder's Eye (15:56) -- Lyrics by JL >13) Darkness Becomes Her (73:59) -- Lyrics by Dream Theater > >Total time 376:27 (6:16:27) > >Our new song, "Metropolis Pt III" was too long to add (clocking in at 79 >minutes!), but will be released next year sometime. I must admit, our new >techniquie for recording albums (that is, to play really really high and >fast, and then slow it way down before James put his vocal track on) might >seem to some a stretching of our riffs, but it really doesn't -- every >note becomes, when slowed down properly, a riff in and of itself. >Besides, how else were we going to record 9 fucking hours of music in >three months?!? // ============================================== // Rick Barkhouse | // -- 706 Crowell Tower -- (902) 585-2700 -- | // Homepage: http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~015691b/ | // ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:44:23 -0500 From: "Adam Cook" To: Subject: Stratovarius Message-ID: > >Hard to say, because I've heard Stratovarius only a couple > >of times, but IMHO their talents lie in making good old > >"full speed blasts of metal", and that is because they have > >incredible ability to add fine melodies to mind blowing riffs > > Actually... I agree with this... I think Stratovarius totally just knocks me > off my moshing boots when they kick in the double bass. Especially songs > from Episode... especially live, cause they play everything faster, and the > drums just sound SOOOOOOOO good... > > > -The Doc I just got Visions I'd have to say Stratovarius is right up there with Angra when it comes to making blow your nuts off straight-ahead melodic speed metal with a good dose of progressiveness. However, I'd still have to give Angra an edge because of their diversity and those super-highspeed dual guitar leads just sound SO good. Either way, any of the DT fans who came from the metal camp and not the prog camp should definitely buy these two bands. Superior is right up there as well. Enough, just buy the cds god damnit! :) Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:13:26 PST From: "Neal Brown" To: email_address_removed Message-ID: Re Jeremy Kube's post about MP overplaying....yeah, I can see that. Maybe he could restrain himself a tad more on the albums, but I know I sure as hell want to hear him as far over the top as he can go live! And did you say NP plays with a traditional grip? Yikes....I can't imagine that....match grip is infinitely preferable for rock drumming, particularly something insane like prog rock/prog metal.... >context) in DT's music. Excluding solos, Derek bears a stunning >resemblance to Kaye, I'd say. For starters, both have a sound more >akin to the organ--I'm thinking of Yours Is No Disgrace from the Yes >Album, as point of reference. Both Derek and Kaye had jazz >backgrounds, which bleeds into their playing. And while Kaye did >play a more subtle role in the music, especially compared to Wakeman, >in letting the rest of the band play a more prominent role, I&W and >WDADU were by far more keyboard-centric than Awake and FII. Agreed? Hmmm...interesting...I definitely agree about KM and Wakeman being more classical, whereas DS and Kaye are jazzier. But, you did say "excluding solos"....(heh heh....Kaye would never have done anything like the Close To The Edge solo, where Wakeman just lets his balls flap in the wind.) When I was comparing them, I meant that DS is generally more aggressive (and mixed louder, thank the lord...it always bugged me that to hear Kevmo you really had to listen for him a little too much) while Kevin is more relaxed. I dunno, compare "A Venture" to "Space-dye Vest." Both are *very* keyboard oriented. >I&W and WDADU were by far more keyboard-centric than Awake and FII. >Agreed? Ehhh....it's hard to say, really. I don't usually hear one player asserting himself consistently over each album, although I think I'd actually say I&W and Awake were dominated by JP, while WDADU & FII are pretty even, actually. It varies from song to song, though. I mean, "Surrounded," "Matter of Time," "SDV" (duh), and "WFS" (also duh) are all KM. But "PMU," "Light Fuse," and "Caught In A Web" are very guitar oriented, so I really don't like generalizing about entire albums like that. To make a long story short (LOL), I agree with you about KM and RW being more classical, and DS and TK are jazzier. But DS and RW are much more aggressive and flashy (even bombastic?) where TK and KM are pretty laid-back. (I hear the word "tasteful" applied to TK quite a bit, which is pretty descriptive.) I wonder if MP is DT's equivalent to Patrick Moraz? =P I think the Mahavishnu Orchestra song where they're playing in 19/8 at 400 bpm is the end of One Word....I think whoever posted that was actually exaggerating, but it's fucking greased lightning, and it's the most goofy rhythm I've ever heard. It sounds like it's really simple, but it's bizarre. It's one of those unison riffs OFB does so well. One Word also has about four or five distinct sections, as I recall. (Including Billy Cobham, well, letting his balls flap in the wind.) >Highlights: >-John Myung's playing...wholly crap!! He's ferocious on that bass. YAY! This kind of thing is heartening....as I said above, one of the things that's always bothered me (and other prog fans who dislike DT) is that KM and JM always were shoved back in the mix. The one album that didn't have them in the background, WDADU, was too much like glam metal for somebody who took in Thick As A Brick with their mother's milk. BTW, regarding Stratovarius....they sound pretty good, but where the hell do I get any of their stuff? > Anyone here enjoy intelligent conversation? Ya know what? I actually did enjoy reading the left brain/right brain thing, although I didn't post about it....mainly because I don't know enough about the subject to add anything. Yeah, it's off topic, but it was a digression from a very relevant topic (the accessibility thing). >as I don't really wanna see this place filled with mindless flames People post mindless flames here? Really? (Sarcasm? What's that? Is it curable?) >shit is going way too off-topic on this list...even the >odd time sigs thread is useless... There are plenty of off-topic things around here, but I find it more interesting than a moderated list anyway. But weird time sigs are *always* relevant. =) >Let me assure you that I'll never ever take you too seriously... Ouch. >Anyway when Mark starts off singing on Antem I swear it sounds like >Alvin and the Chipmunks doing Rush (shudder...)... Don't get me started. All my one of my roommates listens to is pop-trash (modern Chicago, Elvis, Buddy Holly (retch! retch! retch!) and CDs full of various interepretations of TV jingles, TV theme songs, etc. He's got a full album of The Chipmunks singing Christmas tunes. (The nice thing is, he has to run his CDs off his computer, which has really shitty speakers, and I have a very good stereo...anytime the Speed Racer theme comes on I put in Master of Puppets or something and crank it. >:) =) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:32:18 -0200 From: "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" To: Subject: New ytsejammer !! Message-ID: Esta é uma mensagem de múltiplas partes em formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCE594.719F0A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone !! I'm from Brazil and recently had the chance to see DT live for the first time in my country ( and in my life, too ). They were amazing !! I've been a fan for over two years now, and I can say I'm very lucky. I am a professional interpreter and the chance to meet Jonathan Mover in the soundcheck one day before the show in Sao Paulo ( by the way I agree with Portnoy when he says Mover would be one of his replacements if he ever had to leave the band - hoping that it doesn't happen, of course ). Anyway, Mover invited me to help with the translation on both shows ( Sept 11th and 12th ). Jonathan is a great person, as well as his drumming. So are all the others in the band. I talked to all of them, took a lot of pictures and even played basketball with Petrucci, Portnoy, Jose ( his Roadie ), James and Derek. Of course I took pictures of that too. Well, I should say they're A LOT better at playing and singing...:) Derek is the craziest, he doesn't stop for even one second ! Portnoy gives a lot of attention to his wife, which I thought was very cool, mainly during the shows. Portnoy has a picture of his wife, his dog and his daughter Melody on the cowbell. And Jose constantly hides from his powerfull spits :). James is very polite. Petrucci is fun and Myung... Myung ?? Oh now I remember seeing him there, too. But I can't remember his voice.. :) Next day I translated Portnoy on his drumm clinic and took him to the airport to meet the rest of the band which was heading to Rio for one more show. I still can't beleive I had this chance to meet them all and see them playing live. Well gotta sleep. Mom just asked me to turn down the volume on "Burning my Soul". Are there any Brazilian Ytsejammers out there ? Do you ever meet ? See ya Daniel Bonatti email_address_removed.br ------=_NextPart_000_01BCE594.719F0A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everyone !! I'm from = Brazil and recently had the chance to see DT live for the first time in = my country ( and in my life, too ). They were amazing !! I've been a fan = for over two years now, and I can say I'm very lucky. I am a = professional interpreter and the chance to meet Jonathan Mover in the = soundcheck one day before the show in Sao Paulo ( by the way I agree = with Portnoy when he says Mover would be one of his replacements if he = ever had to leave the band - hoping that it doesn't happen, of course ). = Anyway, Mover invited me to help with the translation on both shows ( = Sept 11th and 12th ). Jonathan is a great person,  as well as his = drumming. So are all the others in the band. I talked to all of them, = took a lot of pictures and even played basketball with Petrucci, = Portnoy, Jose ( his Roadie ), James and Derek. Of course I took pictures = of that too. Well, I should say they're A LOT better at playing and = singing...:)  Derek is the craziest, he doesn't stop for even one = second ! Portnoy gives a lot of attention to his wife, which I thought = was very cool, mainly during the shows. Portnoy has a picture of his = wife, his dog and his daughter Melody on the cowbell. And Jose = constantly hides from his powerfull spits :). James is very polite. = Petrucci is fun and Myung... Myung ??  Oh now I remember seeing him = there, too. But I can't remember his voice.. :)
Next day I = translated Portnoy on his drumm clinic and took him to the airport to = meet the rest of the band which was heading to Rio for one more show. =
I still can't beleive I had this chance to meet them all and see = them playing live.
Well gotta sleep. Mom just asked me to turn down = the volume on "Burning my Soul".
Are there any Brazilian = Ytsejammers out there ? Do you ever meet ?

See ya

Daniel = Bonatti
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------=_NextPart_000_01BCE594.719F0A20-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:31:45 +0000 From: "Brian Anderson" To: email_address_removed Subject: Quick Toronto review Message-ID: Hello all, As I was on my way to the show, after picking up my ticket, I ran into this guy who was going to the show also. Come to find out, he's from Brazil and is livin' in Canada doing the exchange thang. Anyways, he played me a tape of some old sounding prog band. I asked him who it was, and he said it was Viper or Old Viper or something, I didn't quite catch it. He said the lead singer later went on to form Angra. I said, Aha I've heard of them. Anyways, that was kind of surprising. Oh yeah, about the show. Good show. I was up front against the barricade, and didn't get crushed at all. Very tame crowd. Two things I've got to remember for the next time I go: Bring or buy some bottled water, and also bring in some Aspirin . . . my back was killing me. James' megaphone didn't work again. I thought he was going to throw it into the crowd. He didn't look too happy about it. I don't know how JM put up with the incense burning in his face for the first few songs. Derek's got quite a little set up over there. When James was at the side of the stage, he gave a look at Derek's lights, then he gave Derek a look like, 'Nice lights' - sarcastically. Derek laughed giving him the look of 'Hey, my lights are cool'. It's kind of hard to describe in writing. Oh, to the dude who was arguing that Mike throws his sticks out after every few songs, he only did it once at the end of the show. That doesn't count his errant toss that landed near James and was later thrown out to the crowd. All in all, great show, had a good time. And I'll probably be seeing a bunch of you at the Irving Plaza show. -Brian Anderson p.s. Are we back to the Rush Tribute allready. Boy this list goes in cycles. Ya gotta love the page down button. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:59:02 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Re: Misheard lyrics, Marillion, Michael Hedges Message-ID: > I was wondering if anyone on this list would be able to help me. Could anyone > (Itchy?) tell me if _The Best Of Both Worlds_ is a good album to start with for > someone who has never heard any Marillion before? Yes, its the perfect album to start with. Also, what's the best Michael > Hedges album to start off with? Well, IMO 'Taproot', but Mr Ptacek has other ideas:) Ern ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:02:49 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger To: "email_address_removed" Subject: The Fire speaks. Message-ID: TO all those who got what I was saying, Amen! There are voices of reason on the jam. For those who just did not get it, well I'm sure that there are lot's of people on the list (800+) who just read but are afraid to post because they fear that they too will have their posts torn to shreds all for the sake of analyzation. It's a shame that some choose to pick apart posts bit by bit. I was not suggesting blind allegiance to DT, but rather reasonable discussion of reasonable subjects regarding the band. Nor do you see me post such wonderful lingo as: "DT rulzzzzzzz! they're like da b0mb, d00d!" "Did you see James at Toad's? his ass is soooooooo cUte! and JP is sooooooooo h0t! This is not the way I discuss things. Some choose to and that's okay for them, but I do not. You are right though, there are too many threads that have gotten so far off track it's hard to tell what the original post was all about. I'm just pointing out that there has not been a healthy balance of both negative and positive posts to the Jam. I hope with the new tour that there will be alot more positive things to read on the jam. It's a waste if all you end up doing is having to use that PageDown button. For the record, I still can't wait to get home everyday to read the posts, as each time I sift through it all and come up with something new. coldfire "And all this could be just a dream so it seems, I was never much good at good-bye." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 01:47:10 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New ytsejammer !! Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Daniel Alexandre Bonatti wrote: > Are there any Brazilian Ytsejammers out there ? Do you ever meet ? More than you can imagine. :-) BTW, it would be really nice if we had an YtseMeet here in Brazil. What could we call it? YtseSil? :-) Suggestions are welcome. :-) > See ya > > Daniel Bonatti > email_address_removed.br []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 01:52:59 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Angra and Viper Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Brian Anderson wrote: > As I was on my way to the show, after picking up my ticket, I ran > into this guy who was going to the show also. Come to find out, he's > from Brazil and is livin' in Canada doing the exchange thang. > Anyways, he played me a tape of some old sounding prog band. I asked > him who it was, and he said it was Viper or Old Viper or something, I > didn't quite catch it. He said the lead singer later went on to form > Angra. I said, Aha I've heard of them. Anyways, that was kind of > surprising. Well, that band is Viper and, though I'm not sure if they were "prog", they DID really good melodic heavy metal (I said did because now they became pop, singing top-10 songs and singing in Portuguese to have more infiltration in our domestic market). You might want to check their release called "Theatre of Fate" if you like Angra, since it has (as you were told) Andre' Matos on vocals and has some nice melodies. Maybe you can find this album pressed on a CD together with their other album with Andre' Matos, "Soldiers of Sunrise". Hope this helps, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:59:45 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Banister To: The Ytsejam Subject: Chris: Message-ID: Chris P: I tried to send you a copious response to your post, but was rejected by the server. Private email with the right one/alternate address, and we shall discuss. . . figuratively, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:04:58 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: glad to see... Message-ID: semi *****SPOILER***** related post here... Just wanted to say that I am glad to see that Metropolis has been moved back into the encore. I think that it really fits there were, with the extended jam session in the middle. I also think that New Milennium really sounds incredible live, actually, even much better than it does on FII, and might possibly agree about the same with Peruvian Skies.... -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: email_address_removed Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:06:18 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Yanni Message-ID: > Then there's Devin Townsend's version of Natural Science. I say people > either hate it or love it. There's no in between. I personally think it > is in incredible regardless if it doesn't sound like the original... > > Anyone think that was the reason rush played the song on the TFE tour? YES! I have always thought that the TFE tour was like, "Working Man: Live" or something. Love the Devin "Natural Science" > Steve Z remarked: > >Yanni can't read music. It pisses me off that the ignorant masses tout > >him as a great musician and composer when he doesn't speak the language. > > "Speak the language"? Don't be ridiculous. The only language he needs to > speak is the language of music itself. I don't give a shit if he can't > write or read music, he composes in his own private shorthand. Reading and writing music IS the language of music. If you talked to a man who seemed very intelligent and well-spoken and then found out that he could not read or write that still makes him just as illiterate. > It's how the > music sounds that's important, not what the symbols on a printed page look Ok, that's your opinion. I also happen to think that the music sounds like he doesn't know what he's doing. My opinion. I'm not saying it sounds like random garbage, but that it sounds like if I asked him what he did harmonically at a certain point he would say, "i don't know." > Yanni works closely with the people who transcribe his piano folios, making > sure that anything that goes into the music books matches the original > composition note-for-note. That's great. He gets help from MUSICIANS to transcribe his music into the language that all other MUSICIANS can understand. A more talented musician could do that himself. > As for musicians who can't read or write sheet music -- I seem to recall > that a certain Eddie Van Halen doesn't know how to read or write music > either. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will). :) Actually, I think before he started on the drums , EVH studied classical violin and piano. > Does this make him any less talented? The fuck it does. The fuck it doesn't. It wouldn't change how talented he is as a GUITARIST, but it would change how talented he is as a MUSICIAN. Dimebag Darrell doesn't read music. I think he is a HELL of a player, but my respect for him must be knocked down a few notches because of not being a well-rounded musician. I must quote John Petrucci here: "...a piece of manuscript paper--that's the best home studio." Steve Z ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3180 **************************