YTSEJAM Digest 3172 Today's Topics: 1) Chicago House of Blues by Ryan Good 2) Ytsejam T-Shirts and Minneapolis show by "Todd O. Klindt" 3) one-liners by "Tedesco, Matthew" 4) Angra/Metallica/Megadeth boots (NDTC) by Rogerio Brito 5) Re: Neil Peart by Matt Stanich 6) Music in general, books... by "Brian Hayden" 7) then again by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" 8) Barrymore info by Ryan Good 9) Radio songs - Stairway to Heaven by "Brian Hayden" 10) RE: YTSEJAM digest 3168 by "Brian Hayden" 11) Bass Players, Part III by Nicholas Giannotti 12) Re: DS by Deedlit 13) Michael Manring by C eleison 14) Bass Stuff, Definitions... by Anna & Heike Boedeker 15) Re: I&W Question by George Tryfonas 16) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: OZRIC TENICALES? by email_address_removed.au 17) Re: Bass Stuff, Definitions... by Rick Audet 18) JP returns to Guitar World! by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:28:26 -0600 From: Ryan Good To: email_address_removed Subject: Chicago House of Blues Message-ID: Hello again. AS YOU can see, I really don't feel like doing homework. Chicago House of Blues. Will someone who's been there explain the lay out of this place? As I understand it, there's a restaurant inside (which means we can wait inside until the doors to the theater open, yes or no??) I also hear that there's valet parking there!! I'm going to get there with my friend Jeff (non ytsejammer) and meet my friend Dave (big puffy dark maroon afro) around 4, or after 4:20, whichever comes first. I CAN"T FUCKING WAIT.. ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH@!!!!!!(&*$#@^&+)^$ _____________________________________________________ "So you tell me you trust me, I can trust you as far as I can throw you." -Dream Theater _____________________________________________________ Ryan Good - Music Stapher from WSUM - Madison's idea of College Radio! - The Unofficial-Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206 "Madison Student Radio: It's coming!" WSUM/MSR Homepage: http://msr.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:21:54 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" To: email_address_removed Subject: Ytsejam T-Shirts and Minneapolis show Message-ID: Hello Jammers! I'm gonna be going to the Minneapolis show and I'd like to get a Ytsejam t-shirt. First off, is anybody going to be selling them there? If not, I know there are a couple of folks hitting both the Chicago show and the Minneapolis show. Would one of you be interested in picking me up one in Chicago? If you are, send me an email and we'll work out the details. I'll make it worth your time. thanks a bunch, todd ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:23:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" To: email_address_removed Subject: one-liners Message-ID: Digital-man, in separate posts: >Wow, who pissed in *your* Wheaties? and... >Personally, I wouldn't >go to watch the Bible with the original cast, if Renfro had anything to do >with it. Somebody should start compiling these. Talk about original one-liners... (at least original to me...) MATt (yet another...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:31:02 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: email_address_removed Subject: Angra/Metallica/Megadeth boots (NDTC) Message-ID: Hi, All. Well, since I've received some messages supporting my iniciative of duplicating the "Holy Land in the East" Angra bootleg (thank you all), I decided that I'll do some copies of boots that I have. Of course, you Angra fans know that there are very few Angra bootlegs and that some of them have terrible sound quality (for instance, the bootleg recorded here in Sao Paulo is completely muffled, with poor vocal performance from Andre Matos; the only good thing about this CD is that it has a Manowar cover and that it can be used as a frisbee). "Holy Land in the East" was recorded on Osaka, Japan and has sound quality similar to Dream Theater's "The Dance of Eternity" for those of you used to bootlegs. In other words, very acceptable sound (the only weak point is that the drums are a bit distant). The setlist for this 2CD set is available on my trading homepage: . I'm asking $40 dollars for this bootleg and $5 for shipping to the USA (unfortunately, media here in Brazil is not as cheap as it is in the USA). I'm asking $5 for shipping because I *always* send everything registered, to prevent further problems. If you are interested, in getting a copy of this CD, please send me an e-mail to while I don't have a homepage describing this project. Let me know of any questions you have. I also have other Metallica/Megadeth bootlegs (those "fake" metal bands, you know :-) ) in which you might also be interested (for instance, the famous Metallica's "Destroyer" 3CD soundboard boot, with perfect sound quality and also the perfect Megadeth's boot "Live at Ferrocarril Oeste", the last show from the Youthanasia tour). Each CD is $20. I'll post more details later. []s, Roger... P.S.: For Metallica fans, I'll have a surprise for you: I'll put the not-even-listed-on-discography bootleg from 11/18/84, Kirk's birthday, on CD. This boot has a recording of "Trapped Under Ice" (it was only played two times, and the the Metallica discography doesn't list what was this second time). Expect it by November, 15th, when I'll annouce the details. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:44:36 -0500 From: Matt Stanich To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Neil Peart Message-ID: Hello all- Have to comment on this one. Neil has stated that he feel a tribute album sounld not be made until a band is no longer around. He was unhappy that one got made of Rush becauseit was as if people did not take into account that Rush still created new music, sort of like a fuenral(sp) before someone is dead. Personally I feel that Portnoys drumming is one of the few aspects of the album that actually is a tribute to Rush. Most of that album IS made by old bands that would now play in bars. Much of the music on that album is not a worthy tribute to Rush. The singing is bad, and in general the people involved either overcomplicated a song to the point of sillyness, or they tried to imitate Rush to much. I said my favorite part is Portnoys drumming. This is because he adds his own style to what has alredy been laid down by Peart. He also intermingles songs ie. The Body Electric in La Villa. In regards to DT blowing away thir Rush counterparts(great album BTW) I have to disagree. Rush and DT are different. If DT did blow away Rush, why would they have preformed a tribute to them? I would like to see DT with only 3 people, my guess is it would sound empty. I would also like to comment on the venues Rush plays. Rush never made a "effort" to shift to popier music, it just devoloped that way. This shift from 2112 to Tom Sawyer is the same way DT is shifting. The musicans set a goal for their albums, technical merit or song structure, or melody or whatever, and try to achieve this. Rushes shifted because they felt they had pushed the envelope far enough in the epic song region. They wanted to concentrate on structure and composition more. In short they matured. This same process is happining to DT. Now insted of just playing relly technical stuff, they try to combine this skill with a more fluid ear friendly type of song. Smae thing that Rush did. One last thing, Peart may have a reputation for being an ASS, but he is not. Why do people get on him for expressing his opinion. He knows that he does not owe the people he inspired anything, and because he refuses to fake reality, and pretend to be flattered that his work had such an impact we must asume he is an ass because he knows the virtue of selfishness. The tribut album was never ok'ed by Rush so they have a right to be upset over other people making money by selling their songs on a commerical album. Matt Stanich ----------------------------- Scan That Mit (if ya know what that is either you're smart or I told you) "Nothing can survive in a time capsule" NP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:02:18 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Music in general, books... Message-ID: Neil wrote a long response to my long post about music. My response to his response is basically, "good point." ;-) How's that for succint. You brought up some things that I hadn't considered. Remember, though, that after my spiel I did write that it was all a gross generalization. In other words, I covered my ass. =) > It's literally the prog rock of literary fiction (where, you could say, > pop fiction authors like John Grisham and Steven King would be like > mass-produced MTV bands -- sell millions, but are very unchallenging). King may not be a complex writer, but he is one of the best *storytellers* around today...some of his books, like The Stand, have moved me like very few things can. > A book like _IJ_ is really something that will easily separate the > intelligentsia from the idiots. (Apologies to all idiots.) Um, no. I'm not a stupid person (aced my ACT/SAT), but if I really want to be challenged by a book, I'll read nonfiction. To me, fiction is should be escapist entertainment. Not to say that I don't like some intelligent fiction - I love Doduglas Adams, for example, and Isaac Asimov is great - but usually I'd rather just relax with some Twain or King or Terry Brooks. I don't like writers who try to hard to be intelligent or clever. Just good old stories. -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:21:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: then again Message-ID: > 2) Metallica wouldn't want to be embarrassed by touring with a band > which can play circles around them like Dream Theater. (No offense to > Metallica fans, but, seriously, be realistic! They can't.) of course, I seem to recall that Queensryche and metallica toured once..... am i rememebering wrong? it's not as if I saw any of those shows.....but QR and Met were never on the same label, were they? (unless electra and EMI have some link of which I am not aware) It wasn't a matter of 'label favors' of the kind that got Big Wreck on the DT tour.....so, how did QR opening for Metallica ever come to pass? partha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 03:26:28 -0600 From: Ryan Good To: email_address_removed Subject: Barrymore info Message-ID: Barrymore 2090 Atwood ave. Madison, Wi Charge at (608) 241-8633 Tickets on sale at The Exclusive Co. (State and High Point), Star Liquor, The Club, or charge (no. above) _____________________________________________________ "So you tell me you trust me, I can trust you as far as I can throw you." -Dream Theater _____________________________________________________ Ryan Good - Music Stapher from WSUM - Madison's idea of College Radio! - The Unofficial-Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206 "Madison Student Radio: It's coming!" WSUM/MSR Homepage: http://msr.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:24:36 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Radio songs - Stairway to Heaven Message-ID: Somebody mentioned Stairway to Heaven along with Dust in the Wind as a song that's on the radio all the time, that "everyone on earth has heard six billion times." I hear this said about Stairway all the time, and I wonder if it's true. I listen to the classic rock station up here all the time (until we got a real rock station six months ago, it was *all* I listened to), and I've only heard the song once. Do people just say this 'cause they don't like the song, or does it get played a lot in other areas of the country, or do they really mean that it was played all the time back when it was newer, or what? -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:27:36 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3168 Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 03:57:43 -0800 (PST), email_address_removed wrote... > > >> Live and let live! <-- Gee, that's such a SIMPLE sentence :) > > >> actually, jon, it's "live and let die". (it's a Beatles song... you >> should remember them, you're old.) ;) > Actually it was just McCartney for the Bond movie of the same >title.... >Andrew Fors Actually it was Wings (Paul McCartney's band)... -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:35:43 -0500 From: Nicholas Giannotti To: Ytse Jam Mailing List Subject: Bass Players, Part III Message-ID: Yet another Matt wrote, >best bass player out there, eh? :-) Well, not gonna get into a long >debate here, but I think one could make the case that Alain Caron (UZEB) >and Victor Wooten (Bela Fleck & the Flecktones) are in his class, in >terms of versatility, dexterity, creativity, slap style, and just about >anything else (except for maybe the most-basses-at-one-time thing). I can see that. Victor Wooten is certainly in a class that's far and away beyond most bassists out there today, but I've never heard Alain Caron (gasp!), something that I should probably correct sometime in the future. I still think, though, that Manring is the premier tapping bassist today (need proof? 'Geometry' off 'Towards the Center of the Night'). And his distorted tone is SO COOL. :-) I remember once, a while ago, there was a radio interview with Manring when one of his new-age albums came out, and the interview brought up the fact that Manring can play bass in his sleep - thinking it as a metaphor. Manring replies, "Yeah, well, I had two basses on stands, and I'd sit there and practice , and I'd end up in the very first stages of sleep before I'd wake up." The interviewer, totally astounded, asked, "Well, how long did this last?" And Manring - giddy as a kid, now - says, "Well, I got up to one minute and twenty-eight seconds once... I haven't beat that record yet." The dude plays in his sleep man..... HIS SLEEP... :-) -Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:41:42 -0500 From: Deedlit To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DS Message-ID: >From: "Kelly A. McAllister" >ok, i do like derek...i'm sorry, and i am ready to accept him, but i will >always love kevin moore. Hehe...well, having met Derek briefly, and having seen him walking about after a concert (New Haven ROCKED even though I couldn't see anything), I'd have to say he thinks HE is the whole show...he even wears makeup hehe.... Erica Bonomi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deedlit or Deedo on IRC email_address_removed email_address_removed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/ JACS PAGES: www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/jacs/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:08:46 -0500 (EST) From: C eleison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Michael Manring Message-ID: Definitely the second best bass player out there (behind Vic Wooten, natch). Man is just amazing. New album out next year, from what I hear. Mostly recorded already or something like that, with some cool loop-based music as well. My hell: to know everything--except how to change anything. Martians: Get THEM out by Friday. http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:17:56 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker To: email_address_removed Cc: Nicholas Giannotti Subject: Bass Stuff, Definitions... Message-ID: > Dude, you can't say that 'NV43345' wasn't worth the $9 that I paid for > it. Even if everthing else on the album sucked ass (which a lot of it > did), that piece alone was worth the price of admission. > Anyone know if there's any sheet music for it out there? Billy Sheehan: The Talas Years. Transcribed by Steve Gorenberg. Introduction by Wolf Marshall. Cherry Lane Music Company, Inc. 1990 ISBN: 0-89524-518-3 In case it should be out of print I can send you a xerocopy. Bass-wise I'd also recommend listening to Tom Brenneis of Annon Vin, a German prog trio, if you're into the fretless thing 'acourse Percy Jones, Hansford Rowe and Norbert Doemling. Best, Heike Boedeker (bass player in Sex Kosmologie) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:20:14 +0000 (GMT) From: George Tryfonas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: I&W Question Message-ID: Think a little bit about it... It's called "Pull me Under". Apart from creating that suction feeling at the end, James sings a quote (from Shakespeare, I think) which I cannot remember right now, something like "O that is flesh too, too this shall die", or something similar, and the track gets cut off right at the end of that last verse. ********************************************************************** | George Tryfonas | God give me the power to take breath | | CSE 1st Year | from a breeze, and call life from a cold | | Univeristy of Kent | metal frame | | Canterbury, UK | - Kevin Moore, Dream Theater | ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:04:50 +1000 From: email_address_removed.au To: email_address_removed Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: OZRIC TENICALES? Message-ID: > > > > >What is the name of the new Ozric CD? > > > > I don't know, this is the Dream Theater list, why don't have a look at at > > Wow, who pissed in *your* Wheaties? OK, everybody, stop posting unless it's > *directly* about DT. Otherwise, we may piss Graham off. > >heh, like this is the first time Graham has spewed flaming >bullshit at someone for no reason........ >-Al NO, no, my original post was not a flame, you'd know it if it was :) I never 'flame' anyone without good reason thank you very much, I merely suggested an alternative place to look for information on Orzic. It like, as an example, why do ppl mail to the jam questions about the Angra list ? When the common sense thing is to mail the list administrator. Everyone on this list has a brain, some need to get new batteries for their's :) So what if I am pissed off ? I am not, but who cares anyway ? Sticks & Stones fella's graham.. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:49:46 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: YtseJelly Subject: Re: Bass Stuff, Definitions... Message-ID: > > Dude, you can't say that 'NV43345' wasn't worth the $9 that I paid for > > it. Even if everthing else on the album sucked ass (which a lot of it > > did), that piece alone was worth the price of admission. > > Anyone know if there's any sheet music for it out there? > Oh man, I haven't heard that track in well over a decade. But I thought I'd point out (if it hasn't already been) that if you look at the song title upside down it spells 'ShEEhAN'. I apologize if I'm stating the obvious. I'm a metalhead, so I ain't so smart. :) Rick Audet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:54:02 -0600 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." To: email_address_removed Subject: JP returns to Guitar World! Message-ID: Yay!!!!!!!!! Upon reading my monthly toilet paper source called "Guitar World," I stumbled upon page 127. John Petrucci's column, "Wild Stringdom," has returned! Even though it's only one page, and the topic is warming up, it was great to see JP's mug in the mag again. To everyone that's going to the Chicago show, I wish I could be there. My fellow Ytsetrekkers are going to make the trip, but I'm going to be bogged down with schoolwork for the rest of the year. It would have been nice to meet you all! Take it easy, everyone, Mark Peters email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3172 **************************