YTSEJAM Digest 3160 Today's Topics: 1) Information on London Date by "Adrian Holmes GBC3F73F@IBMMAIL" 2) Re: Sevendust (NDTC) by Cappy 3) James LaBrie interview 3/3 by Jan Ziese 4) the ongoing thread about stupidity + some other stuff... by Seroussi 5) RE: Kansas by "Blevins, Mike" 6) BMS, Incubus.... by Markus Stahl 7) RE: by "Blevins, Mike" 8) *** URGENT INFO FOR TORONTO SHOW *** by Pat Daugherty 9) Re: ToT by CLARK ABEL 10) Correcting Myself. by Eric S P Barker 11) Dream Theater in NYC by "Chung Ng" 12) Re: Accessibility by Shai Yallin 13) New Haven Show..sorta spoiler by Mike Pontrelli ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 04:30:13 EST From: "Adrian Holmes GBC3F73F@IBMMAIL" To: email_address_removed Subject: Information on London Date Message-ID: For UK YTSEJAMMERS planning on going to the DT show in London on Tuesday 9th December here is as much information as I have found out so far ... The Forum is in Kentish Town ( used to be The Town & Country Club ) and is part of The Mean Fiddler organisation. The telephone booking lines are : 0171 344 0044 and 0171 734 8932 .. if you don't get connected after a certain time, it transfers you to Ticketmaster. I ASSUME they both charge the same in terms of rip-off booking fees ! I phoned yesterday and was told it would be FRIDAY at the earliest for the DT tickets to go on sale. As soon as they are on sale, I'll post to YTSEJAM with prices etc ... Hope this is helpful, Ad. YTSEJAMMER and ESP drummer (Official ESP Web Site http://www.villager.net/esp) *************************************************************** **** Adrian Holmes *** ECsoft Central *** **** **** Email : GBC3F73F@IBMMAIL **** *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 03:42:34 -0600 From: Cappy To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Sevendust (NDTC) Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 25, 1997 at 03:01:41PM -0700, NuGgeTMaN wrote: > > O.k. they're not technicly progressive...kinda like Korn, Soundgarden, and > king's X mixed...but you should go to your local CD store and at least > give it a listen. Cd is Sevendust, Band is Sevendust...they totally kick > ass...but it's just a kick ass kinda band...thought I'd give you guys/gals > some insight Good choice! This was a CD I listened to in Tower Records at one of those listening stations and was quite suprised (considering I rarely hear anything good at those listening stations that I haven't already heard). It was convincing enough for me to buy it. This was one of the CD's that kept me company while waiting for FII to be released. NP: Angra - "Holy Land" -- Mike Jones, email_address_removed __________ Cappy _________ email_address_removed Progressive Genius ( http://www.progmetal.org ) Progressive Metal Web Ring ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 12:08:00 +0100 From: Jan Ziese To: email_address_removed Subject: James LaBrie interview 3/3 Message-ID: Hi all: First of all: > Chris Ptacek wrote: > I noticed only one line that sort of > came out a little weird... "Where they played live for the first > time" referring to the Brazil show, I believe. Of course I'm sure > that something was lost in the translation and its meaning is "They > played live in Brazil for the first time". Absolutely right! Thanks for your attention. Finally, here's the third and last part of James' interview: Writer: It's a surprising fact that James only wrote the lyrics for a single song on FII, namely 'Anna Lee'. Is this song about a real person, too? James: Not really. At that time I've been reading some books about child abuse and incest, and the song also deals with this subject, because what I read moved me deeply. The worst thing about it is that those things just happen day in day out on this world, because there are so many sick persons out there! However, the name 'Anna Lee' is merely fictional. By the way, I wrote the lyrics for two more songs which didn't make it onto the CD. Writer: Concerning Dream Theater, there are two more things which make people wait. First, how long will it be until the announced 'Ronnie Scott's Show' video session will be available, featuring numberous cover versions, partly with participation of musicians like Barney Greenway or Steve Howe of Yes. James: Uh, at this time, we didn't give too much attention to that project. We were emphasizing on writing the new songs and do the recordings for FII. But the right moment will come to publish the video in a very professional way. Writer: And what has happened to 'Metropolis Pt. 2'? James: We'll do that one as soon as the next recording sessions are due. As far as I am concerned, two things should be done in the next few months: First, it would be great to make up a live album featuring tracks from shows in Germany, Italy, the U.S., South America, Japan and other places all over the world. It would just be great to catch the very special atmosphere of each of those countries. Would be an expensive thing to do, too, but you could really feel the individual vibes of all those places. Second, after the 18 month of touring that now lay ahead of us, I'd like to return to the studio as soon as possible in order to record the remaining songs which didn't end up on FII, e.g. 'Metropolis, Pt.2'. Maybe we can release those things as an EP. However, 'Metropolis, Pt.2' alone is 23 minutes long in it's current state, so it rather looks as if it's gonna be a complete album. Writer: Last question: The Dream Theater fans are known to be most enthusiastic about their band, collecting every available live tape and surfing through the web pages in order to collect the lastest information on the band. Must make you happy! I also think of the European tour last spring which has been confirmed just in time and for which there was almost no promotion at all. Though, all the shows were completely sold out. James: Yes, indeed. We can feel very privileged. It's simply great to know that so many people like your music. That's why we try to keep in contact with the fans as much as possible. We are looking forward to meet all our European friends again in April. Writer: Likewise! That's all, hope you enjoyed it. BTW, in that magazine, there is also a column where they feature play lists of musicians. If anybody cares, this is James' list: 1) Mike Stern - Give and take 2) AC/DC - everything featuring Bon Scott 3) King's X - Ear Candy 4) Rush - Fly by Night 5) Al Di Meola - Orange and Blue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:47:27 +0100 From: Seroussi To: email_address_removed Subject: the ongoing thread about stupidity + some other stuff... Message-ID: <3455D0CE.5ED55B27@algonet.se> hmm...My first DT song was ACOS, so I'm MUCH smarter than you stupid metal heads who got into DT after hearing PMU... ;P ---- > From: "jason braswell" > Subject: thanks > > I just want to thank Neal Brown out there for defending me. Why is > it that everyone gets all defensive and acts like I (or anyone else > whose esthetic position resembles mine) am some sort of snob? > ELITISM IS NOT A BAD WORD!!!! But your elitism can make others feel bad...you probably have friends that listen to "lesser" music than you do, right? but do you go around them, saying how stupid they are since they don't listen to DT? On the jam, too, you shouldn't go around and call people who don't listen to DT stupid... > I don't listen to DT because they're technical. > I listen to DT because they sound good, and that quality, in part, is > due to the complexity. this is basically the reason why people listen to repetitive stuff, they think it "sounds good"... > If you say that art is completely subjective, then you equate Bach with a > two-year old who beats on the floor with a rock and coos capriciously. Someone may rather listen to the two-year old than to Bach, which makes the two-year old "better" than Bach for this certain person...bach's compositional skills, though, are way better than the two-year old's skills, as the two-year old just creates his "art" randomly and Bach puts thinking and all his music theory learnings, etc. into his art... ---- > From: "woot" > Subject: I really hope this doesn't sound to out of place, but... > > also, since we're on the IQ subject, the "normal" range is from roughly 84-116. > Therefore, a person whose IQ is 84, is average. Well, no...the average of 84 and 116 is (84+116)/2=100 (You said you tutor math? ;) > However, they are also only 19 points away from being in the "retarded" range. > Notice that this is only the average. IQ tests don't only test intelligence...there is no way you can accurately test intelligence...IQ tests base widely on knowledge, rather than on intelligence... A normal question in an IQ test also tests a person's spelling, vocabulary, common sense, etc. Believing that your IQ test result shows how intelligent you are is like believing in EQ scores, which are meant to calculate a person's personality...give me a break... Humans are not numbers, not everything can be summed into math, end of story... > I also tutor math, and am constantly meeting very bright people. How many of them can draw? How many of them can write poetry? > I would assume that the jam itself gives us a fairly decent cross-section of > the people that listen to DT. I disagree. How about the moshers / crowd surfers? I'd say that the jam gives us a cross-section of people who listen to DT that are "good with computers"... > So by this one may say that the person that listens to DT is smarter than > one who doesn't. Statistics lend themselves into drawing whatever conclusions you may like. > Please refrain from flaming (although since seroussi is in this conversation > I think that I might as well be prepared for flamage). That wasn't a flame, right? ---- > From: Jon Parmet > Subject: Right-brain, left-brain, we all scream for ice cream :) > > Seroussi > > > Flame at will, and consider this poem before you do: > > > > gather ye flamers while ye may > > big labels are still a-sucking > > and this creative band that prospers today > > tomorrow will be dying > > Living comes much easier, once we admit...we're dying. > > Nice post, by the way. Made me feel all hopefull and shit. I'll remember > DT after they're gone, though. Hey, that's exactly how I feel...I was just trying to convey this feeling to all these people that want to get DT super-popular (hi, Shai ;)... Apparently, I succeeded. ---- > From: Richard Banister > Subject: accessibility/popularity/feeling toasty > > Seroussi : > > > Yes, this was a flame, if you want the amount of such things to lessen, > > think before you post, or just think. > > dude, I respect your flame (although I don't agree), but not this. > Everyone has an opnion, which they are entitled to. If people worried too > much about who they were going to offend before they posted something, > there would be no DT mailing list (or it would be boring as hell)! Apparently I offended skadz...next time, and let this be a lesson to you all, think before you flame...also, make your flames sound like a mere disagreement... ---- > From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" > Subject: stuff #1 > > I have said time and time again that I will pass along any questions, > etc to the band if you email me with them. Shouldn't D-Man FAQ that? ---- > From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" > Subject: Stuff #3 (maybe 4, i lost count) Yo, what's up with skadz reading the jam? How am I supposed to post my bullshit fearlessly if skadz reads it? ---- > From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: integrity... > > > It used to be believed that Hydrogen was the most abundant element in the > > universe. However, it is now clear that stupidity is much more abundant. > > > > Well if your gonna be quoting somebody, at least give credit... especially > when it's a Zappa quote:P Hey, I was gonna say that...anyways, I was just reading this part in Zappa's book, kinda weird it happened in the same time as this stuff is discussed on the jam... (wow, this paragraph is justified...) ---- > From: Lobsterback > Subject: Groce. stupidity > > One night, when I was cashiering at a grocery store, I realized I was > having far too many complaints about the cost of oranges. Took a little > trip to produce, and realized that the sign for apples had been put in the > orange section (right next to each other). The sign *clearly* said apples > in big letters, yet the mere fact that it was on the oranges made it the > correct price. Yes, the typical customer is, er, "not-bright", simply > because you have a sampling of every mental ability in a grocery store. Don't mistake observativeness (no such word, oh well...) for mental ability. There was this file circling around, in which there was a small paragraph where there were 6 Fs "hidden"...a person of "mediocre intelligence" was supposed to find only 3 Fs as the other 3 were in the word "if"...a "genius" would have found them all... Now, it's dumb to think that you can test a person's intelligence that way, this "test" merely test how observative a person is... ---- > From: Loren Caler > Subject: ToT > > Is anyone with me when I say that I think DT should take out Scarred from > the setlist and replace it with ToT? I'm not saying that Scarred is a bad > song, I just think that ToT would REALLY be impressive to hear live. Me too... ;) How about taking out Voices (they play it by itself now, right?) from the setlist, leave Scarred in and also add ToT? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:42:13 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: Kansas Message-ID: >> tunes like "Closet Chronicles" and "Paradox" are pure Kansas. > >Not to mention being very progressive for their time. When I listen to >POKR, I hear a lot of things that remind of DT...or is it the other way >around ? :) Very similar in the way they both use the alternating mix of >jam and prog so effectively. I always found there to be quite a bit of similarity between OFB and Kansas. The heavy guitar playing with keys certainly helps that comparison, but I have also found a similar type of melody to be involved in the songs. (Does that make sense? It's early yet :) ) I wonder if maybe Kansas was more of an influence than even the band themselves realize - such as I think Marillion might have been. An interesting question - any members of OFB big Kansas fans, Skadz? If they change the set list before I get to see "Scarred", I will be crushed. My favorite DT song... :) Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:50:05 -0800 From: Markus Stahl To: email_address_removed Subject: BMS, Incubus.... Message-ID: Well It happened, I finally heard BMS on the radio. It was on KRZR here in Fresno. What a shock, I was just flipping through the stations and bam... it hits me! Way cool to hear it on the radio... Good call Al Balkiewicz! Go out and buy the new Incubus album. He's right in that it totally kicks ass. THey are even better live. And actually they have another EP before "Enjoy Incubus" it's called Fungus Amungus and most of the song are the same as off Enjoy Incubus but a couple are different. By the, Al what up with the guys head on the covers of both album's! -Mark **************************************************************************** Mark Stahl email_address_removed "So forever hold the dreams within our hearts, Through nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live" -Dream Theater from "Learning to Live" **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:58:55 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: Message-ID: > I started re-reading _Atlas Shrugged_, the magnum opus by that >elitist, greed-glorifying, atheist novelist-philosopher whom I dare not >mention here. When I came to Chapter VIII of Part I, I read this paragraph >(p. 215, 35th Anniversary paperback edition: > "The beams and girders of the Rearden Metal bridge were coming >daily out of the rolling mills, and were being shipped to the site of the >John Galt Line, where the first shapes of green-blue metal, swung into >space to span the canyon, glittered in the first rays of the spring sun. >He had no time for pain, no energy for anger. Within a few weeks, it was >over; the blinding stabs of hatred ceased and did not return." > Could Mr. Myung, like Neil Peart, have been inspired by you-know-who? You know, I always knew I recognized the feel of that part from somewhere. You've now answered a question the niggled at me every time I heard that song. I doubt JM did it intentionally, but I also doubt it's coincidence - it's too close. Still, borrowing from literature has a bit of precedent in DT's history. :) Maybe they had a lot of time to read during the gap between WDADU and I&W... :) Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:03:49 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: *** URGENT INFO FOR TORONTO SHOW *** Message-ID: Got this from the canadian radio show list that I am on. Unfortunately I am far from Toronto. Obviously someone needs to tape this. Anyway the urgent info: "Forgot to mention to any Toronto-area progressive metalheads, Dream Theater will be performing at the HMV Superstore in Toronto at 6:30 PM before their Warehouse appearance on Wednesday, October 29. They'll be playing four or five tunes in an acoustic setting." |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | Washington Redskins 4-4 | | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:22:07 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: ToT Message-ID: >Is anyone with me when I say that I think DT should take out Scarred from >the setlist and replace it with ToT? I'm not saying that Scarred is a bad >song, I just think that ToT would REALLY be impressive to hear live. > >-Loren Hmmm.... I'd have to say that I'm approximately 100%... NOT WITH YOU on that one. :) -Clark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:35:42 -0700 From: Eric S P Barker To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Correcting Myself. Message-ID: Yes I said the wrong date. Late 80's was incorrect I meant 92'. oh well, until next time. Eric from Denver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 10:35:45 EST From: "Chung Ng" To: Subject: Dream Theater in NYC Message-ID: Are any of the NYC area fans getting together before the Irving Plaza show on 11/22? I just called up TicketBastard and got my 4 tickets ($108 because of the $5 "convenience" charge). Can't wait!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:58:54 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Accessibility Message-ID: Ernesto Schnack wrote: > So you see? THATS why ppl like rap, country, etc... because their main > concern is the LYRICS. The music is just a background. Are they stupid > because of this? No, THEY JUST HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS. And thats what > makes life so interesting. So please explain how come a song containing nothing but the phrase: "You don't fuck me, I don't fuck you" got into the top 10? I have a friend who was a real metal-head. He listened to metallica, megadeth, pantera and sepoltura. The guy hated anything that had to do with dance music. One day he decided to become a party DJ (you know, the guy that plays song in dance parties). Anyway, he started to like techno and rap. Now can you say that this guy is in it for the lyrics? I find metallica and megadeth lyrics much more meaningful than mainstream lyrics. Most of metal & progressive songs are written in a higher language than mainstream. Shoot me if I'll ever start listening to rap/dance/alternashit, -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:03:58 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: New Haven Show..sorta spoiler Message-ID: Hey.. the lounge version of UAGM was awesome! When did Myung leave the show to do signitures? I missed him! Derik was awesome.. he came out after the show (when all the Yale students replaced the DT fans.. since the place was turned into a dance club after the show) and came up to me and started to talk with me! Then he went up to two girls (who had NO clue who DT is) and did a toast with them! Kinda funny. He looked like he wanted to go out onto the dance floor! (he hung out for about 30 or 40 minutes inside , and another half hour outside the show). James kinda breezed by when he left.. I wanted to shake Myungs hand for the finger picking on the 12 string bass during New Millenium, but he was gone. Outseide.. Mike Portnoy was talking with us.. he is terrific and VERY friendly. Some guy had a 8x11 photo of Portnoy from some previous show and was getting it signed. Petrucci also came out for signitures. While signing.. some guy walked up and said "could you sign my leg?"..we were chuckling.. wondering what this guy meant.. and he rollled up his pants and had a prosthetic (sic) limb..that ws really cool.. Another thing.. some guy was walking around with a cheap casio keyboard and asking "anyone wanna buy the keyboard" and someone yelled out "ask derik..".. so the guy started yelling "wheres Derik.. I want Derik!" and then some person came off the tour bus said "no.. Derik doesnt want your keyboard.. he has real stuff" Also.. the keyboard intro is off of the "A Clockwork Orange" soundtrack... made for a great intro! all in all a very good time. I hope i get another chance to see them! NBTW: THEIR PERFORMANCE WAS INCREDIBLE!!! this band is worth 30 dollars to ssee (Of course.. driving six hours to seem them is about the same =) ) ANyone planning on giong to the free Blue Oyster CUlt show in Novemeber BTW (At Toad's PLace)? -ponte ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3160 **************************