YTSEJAM Digest 3159 Today's Topics: 1) st louis by Michael Torres 2) Cleveland ***SPOILER*** pt. 1 by "George Sumschidt" 3) Cleveland ***SPOILER*** pt. 2 by "George Sumschidt" 4) by email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) 5) Groce. stupidity by Lobsterback 6) boot_marks_in_dead_horse++ by Richard Banister 7) ToT by Loren Caler 8) insrumental by "Trevor W. Hoit" 9) asdf by "Ronald" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:55:28 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Torres To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: st louis Message-ID: i was just wondering first off if DT was playing st louis on the 18 of november and secondly i was wondering if anyone was going to be going from the omaha area?? please email me privately thanks mikey t ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:08:28 -0500 From: "George Sumschidt" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: Cleveland ***SPOILER*** pt. 1 Message-ID: <01bce367$e8899a80$message_id_removed> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BCE33D.FFB39280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings fellow jammers. Cold weather sux when you have to stand in it waiting in anticipation for a night to remember. On the lighter side, I get to the parking lot and hear the soundcheck, THRU=20 THE WALLS!!! So cool. TAMP sure sounded great.=20 Onto the opening act. Big Wreck. They are from Boston. They have a good sound. Emilio Estevez on rhythm guitar. That was cool. The guy playing lead and singing could have been a Chris Cornell clone. The bass player was talented. He was playing an 8 stringed=20 thing. I couldn't quite make out the name, but it looked like it said=20 Hammer to me.... Bass players, help me out here.=20 I was able to recruit some fans into jammers. thankyouverymuch. One of the songs that Big Wreck did had a real Cure sound to it. I don't really listen to the Cure, but the guitar sound was there.=20 Another song they did was called The Oath. I heard alot of=20 Aerosmith influence in it. The dual guitar sound of the Gibson/Les Paul and a Fender really had the trademark sound.=20 =20 ***ONTO THE SPOILER*** =20 end of part 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------- I'm a drummer. I play the radio real good. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BCE33D.FFB39280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Greetings=20 fellow jammers.  Cold weather sux when you have = to
stand in it waiting in anticipation for a night to=20 remember.  On the
lighter side, I get to the parking lot and hear the=20 soundcheck, THRU 
THE WALLS!!!  So cool.  TAMP sure sounded=20 great. 
    Onto the=20 opening act.  Big Wreck.  They are from Boston. =20 They
have a good = sound. =20 Emilio Estevez on rhythm guitar.  That was cool.
The guy playing lead and singing could have been a=20 Chris Cornell
clone.  The bass player was talented.  He = was=20 playing an 8 stringed 
thing.  I couldn't quite make out the name, but = it looked=20 like it said 
Hammer to me....  Bass players, help me out=20 here. 
    I was=20 able to recruit some fans into jammers.  = thankyouverymuch.
One of the = songs that Big=20 Wreck did had a real Cure sound to it.  I
don't really listen to the Cure, but the guitar = sound was=20 there. 
    Another=20 song they did was called The Oath.  I heard alot of
Aerosmith = influence in=20 it.  The dual guitar sound of the Gibson/Les Paul
and a Fender really had the trademark=20 sound. 
 
    ***ONTO THE=20 SPOILER***   
 
end of part 1

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I'm=20 a drummer.  I play the radio real = good. 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BCE33D.FFB39280-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:10:28 -0500 From: "George Sumschidt" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: Cleveland ***SPOILER*** pt. 2 Message-ID: <01bce368$30872b40$message_id_removed> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BCE33E.47B12340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***ONTO THE SPOILER*** =20 =20 About 9:25 p.m., AIC: Rooster started. It ended and some really pretty keys started up. Nice touch, considering Derek wasn't even=20 on the stage at the time. Derek came out shortly thereafter and started = LitS. The crowd rushed the stage. (damn moshers....) After regaining=20 my place in front of JM, they started rockin and never stopped!!!=20 UAGM followed. I'd never heard it live before. Very sweet. It was after this song that MP removed his shirt. =20 BMS rocked and went into a few bars of ToT. Voices picked up and then James introduced TAMP. It went over REAL well. Even the metal dude that was hitting people slowed down and grooved with the=20 emotional song. Beautiful... Then the REAL fun started. They started the intro to The Mirror, lately being called Barf Puppies On Acid again... It blended into the first section of ACOS right into JLMB!!! Man that song kicks serious=20 ass! James held up the megaphone that he used when singing the=20 chorus to JLMB and asked, "Can any of you understand what I'm=20 saying when I use this? No? THAT'S WHY I USE IT!!!"=20 Peruvian Skies was next. Once again the crowd just absorbed the feeling of the song. Even during the fast part, the crowd was=20 really into the song.=20 PMU kicked ass. James swung the mic over the crowd. It just goes to prove that drunks can't carry a tune in a bucket with a lid on it. :) James, if you're reading this, stop it.=20 I GOT TO HEAR SCARRED!!! YES! I can die a happy man now. Scarred ended and finished up with the middle section of ACOS. The Ytsejam followed along with a short drum solo. It gave enough time to JM to put on the Chapman Stick. Cool instrument. Yes, the beginning of New Millenium IS played with the Chapman.=20 Before the last chorus in NM, JM switched back to his 6 string=20 bass and finished the song. ACOS finished out the set. The band took the time (pun intended) to tease us with a few measures of=20 AFiL and the begining of the Lie single. Too cool...=20 For the encore, the played ALL of Metropolis Pt. 1. Before the song finished, James introduced, "Mike Portnoy on vocals". MP sang something that sounded like, "You can have it, but you don't=20 want it..." I dunno. My hearing ain't so good any more. =20 As for the demo songs played before The Rooster, several people noticed that it was James singing. I couldn't really hear them. The house sound and all the bodies around me soaked up most of the =20 music. I did hear Speak To Me, though. It was great!=20 =20 ******END OF SPOILER****** To all others, all praise, flames, bullshit, or whatever should be=20 sent to ME! email_address_removed Don't send it to the jam, thanks.=20 See you in Columbus tonight Maria, Buster, others from 6 hours away. Look for me in the grey Fix For '96 shirt, with a beard. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BCE33E.47B12340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    ***ONTO THE=20 SPOILER***   
 
About 9:25 = p.m., AIC:=20 Rooster started.  It ended and some really
pretty keys started up.  Nice touch, = considering Derek=20 wasn't even 
on the stage at the time.  Derek came out = shortly=20 thereafter and started 
LitS.  The crowd rushed the stage.  (damn=20 moshers....)  After regaining 
my place in front of JM, they started rockin and = never=20 stopped!!! 
    UAGM=20 followed.  I'd never heard it live before.  Very sweet.  = It=20 was
after this = song that MP=20 removed his shirt. 
    BMS=20 rocked and went into a few bars of ToT.  Voices picked = up
and then James = introduced=20 TAMP.  It went over REAL well.  Even the
metal dude that was hitting people slowed down and = grooved=20 with the 
emotional song.  Beautiful...
    Then the=20 REAL fun started.  They started the intro to The = Mirror,
lately being = called Barf=20 Puppies On Acid again...  It blended into the
first section of ACOS right into JLMB!!!  Man = that song=20 kicks serious 
ass!  James held up the megaphone that he used = when=20 singing the 
chorus to JLMB and asked, "Can any of you = understand what=20 I'm 
saying when I use this?  No?  THAT'S WHY I = USE=20 IT!!!" 
    Peruvian=20 Skies was next.  Once again the crowd just absorbed
the feeling of = the=20 song.  Even during the fast part, the crowd was
really into the song. 
    PMU=20 kicked ass.  James swung the mic over the crowd.  It = just
goes to prove = that drunks=20 can't carry a tune in a bucket with a lid
on it.  :)  James, if you're reading this, = stop=20 it. 
    I GOT TO=20 HEAR SCARRED!!!  YES!  I can die a happy man now.
Scarred ended and finished up with the middle = section of=20 ACOS.
    The=20 Ytsejam followed along with a short drum solo.  It gave = enough
time to JM to = put on the=20 Chapman Stick. Cool instrument.  Yes, the
beginning of New Millenium IS played with the=20 Chapman. 
    Before=20 the last chorus in NM, JM switched back to his 6 string
bass and = finished the=20 song.  ACOS finished out the set.  The band
took the time (pun intended) to tease us with a few = measures=20 of
AFiL and the begining of the Lie single.  Too=20 cool... 
    For the=20 encore, the played ALL of Metropolis Pt. 1.  Before = the
song finished, = James=20 introduced, "Mike Portnoy on vocals".  MP
sang something that sounded like, "You can have = it, but=20 you don't 
want it..."  I dunno.  My hearing = ain't so good=20 any more.   
    As for=20 the demo songs played before The Rooster, several people
noticed that = it was James=20 singing.  I couldn't really hear them.  The
house sound and all the bodies around me soaked up = most of=20 the  
music.  I did hear Speak To Me, though.  = It was=20 great! 
 
    ******END=20 OF SPOILER******
 
    To all others, = all praise,=20 flames, bullshit, or whatever should be 
sent to = ME!  email_address_removed  &n= bsp;=20 Don't send it to the jam, thanks. 
          &nbs= p; See=20 you in Columbus tonight Maria, Buster, others from
6 hours = away.  Look for=20 me in the grey Fix For '96 shirt, with a=20 beard.
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BCE33E.47B12340-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:22:57 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) To: email_address_removed Message-ID: a few things: Has anyone besides me noticed that the keyboards in the beginning of "Father to Son" by Queen sound an awful lot like the intro to "Surrounded"? Just an observation. I started re-reading _Atlas Shrugged_, the magnum opus by that elitist, greed-glorifying, atheist novelist-philosopher whom I dare not mention here. When I came to Chapter VIII of Part I, I read this paragraph (p. 215, 35th Anniversary paperback edition: "The beams and girders of the Rearden Metal bridge were coming daily out of the rolling mills, and were being shipped to the site of the John Galt Line, where the first shapes of green-blue metal, swung into space to span the canyon, glittered in the first rays of the spring sun. He had no time for pain, no energy for anger. Within a few weeks, it was over; the blinding stabs of hatred ceased and did not return." Could Mr. Myung, like Neil Peart, have been inspired by you-know-who? Finally, I would be interested in knowing whenever the band plays a set list that differs from the Toad's Place show. Perhaps I am over-obsessed with set lists, but I'd appreciate it if anyone could report any new songs (or even differing set order) to me privately if they don't want to post it to the jam. I wouldn't even mind compiling all of the set lists for the tour if people didn't mind sending them to me and/or the list. Thank you for your time. Jeff Falk email_address_removed now playing: Kiss _Carnival of Souls: The Final Sessions_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:19:31 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Groce. stupidity Message-ID: >And yes, people are stupid. Work in a fast food joint > or a grocery store some time. People are generally fucking idiots. One night, when I was cashiering at a grocery store, I realized I was having far too many complaints about the cost of oranges. Took a little trip to produce, and realized that the sign for apples had been put in the orange section (right next to each other). The sign *clearly* said apples in big letters, yet the mere fact that it was on the oranges made it the correct price. Yes, the typical customer is, er, "not-bright", simply because you have a sampling of every mental ability in a grocery store. Everybody gotta eat, even morons. And don't even get me started on WIC orders!! "Look, it says right here on the card you have 3 copies of on you right now *and* all the little tags on the shelves that you can only get these kinds of cheese...!!" As far as musical tastes and intelligence goes, there's really no correlation. I've got some friends that are, officially, geniuses. And what do they listen to? Ska. It's certainly not the most complex music (note: non-complex don't mean bad) in the world. Musical taste has more to do with attitude and how a person was brought up. Me, I was weaned on classic rock and classical music, so it only figures my tastes would revolve in those areas. "Heh heh, he said wean..." Dean and Gene, baby. Ween, that is. Brian Henderson email_address_removed "Everybody gotta eat, even morons." -- me "Everybody gotta wear clothes, and if you don't, you get arrested." -- Mr. T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 02:23:13 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Banister To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: boot_marks_in_dead_horse++ Message-ID: > >Well, I would have to say, _very_ important. I'm sick and fucking tired > talent or the lack of it doesn't have anything to do with artistic > integrity. I'm talking about 'doing art for yourself' and not letting yeah, so maybe I mixed up artistic ability with integrity. Fuck. My point is still completely valid, though. Modern rock is brimming with bands that can count the number of chords they know on three fingers, then use those same fingers to play them (and have a finger left over). I would also venture a guess that most modern music isn't music that comes from the heart, but is dictated by what is popular, and what would get airplay (the exceptions being those bands that ushered in that generation of music. I think that bands like Pearl Jam and Nirvana _had_ artistic integrity also). . > out there dont conform in one way or another? I'll admit I've changed my > approach to songwriting just because of audience response, and im sure im > not the only one. that's very true. And it's a shame. Basically, if a band doesn't make money, they can't make their music any more (or follow their dream of making music for a living, as they'll have to get day jobs). Whether they want to or not, bands have to succumb to the mainstream, or else nobody listens to them. So really, the only bands that have artistic integrity are those bands that are obscure, and aren't affraid to remain nameless because they want to remain true to their art. Maybe that's why I hate things once they become popular. hmmm. . . I wonder if that agrees with what I originally said, or if it doesn't even apply, because I've never said anything about it. Oh well. > Subject: Kicking the dead horse known as accessibility.... :) Neal Brown: > statement to me. Of course, you can also say that since nobody's opinion > is necessarily better than anyone else's, Green Day and OFB are equals. unfortunately, that's true. There are people out there who undoubtebly(sic)(I used that word like five times in my last post, and only now do I realize I have no idea how to spell it) love Green Day as much as we love DT, and no doubt moves them as much. It reminds me of a post a while ago (by Barbara, maybe? Someone remind me. . BTW that was the most beautiful post I've ever read on the jam. .almost made me cry) in which the authors brother claims that his music moves him as much as the authors moves her, so how can she put it down? It's true. If it means something to somebody, how can it be any less valid? > keyboard's that shitty, get a new one already. Sheesh. Personally, I > would LOVE to see some more analysis of music on this list. If you think yeah yeah yeah! I'd love that too. . . too many posts about accessibilty/success.. who the hell are these assholes? :) But I would love to do analysis on albums (any albums .. but FII would do nicely), but it just never seems to come up.. . . > >I personally think Neal deserves congratulations for his intelligent > >and well-restrained response to that drivel. Neal made some good > > *sigh* It's not easy being perfect....BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! (Just kidding, for Neal, you're the man. What can I say? Someone else: > I just wanted to second Dan's sentiment about DT playing in Philly. It is Must resist temptation. . can't. . must. . I want them to play philly too. :[ And while I'm on the pointless (and bandwidth wasting) subject, I want them to play Boston! Like, right down the street from me would be nice. . . hmmm. . . I should go prepare my inbox for the incoming FAQ, and flames resulting from this inane expression of my pointless desires. . . figuratively, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:36:13 -0600 (CST) From: Loren Caler To: email_address_removed Subject: ToT Message-ID: Is anyone with me when I say that I think DT should take out Scarred from the setlist and replace it with ToT? I'm not saying that Scarred is a bad song, I just think that ToT would REALLY be impressive to hear live. -Loren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:14:54 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: insrumental Message-ID: >4) Gary Hoey. Plus a great Christmas album. TWO great Christmas albums! Check out Ho! Ho! Hoey! II, just released. >1) John Tesh. Tesh gets maligned a lot, I couldn't agree more. JT and his band, especially his violinist, kick some ass! Don't knock him until you've seen him live. I did, on a whim, and it was great. He also writes a lot of TV sports themes that I bet you like that you didn't know he wrote, like the basketball tune, "Roundball Rock". Of course this is just my opinion. Btw, I'm betting I'm the only Jammer going to see Barry Manilow. Or at least admitting it. Trevor > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:05:12 +0700 From: "Ronald" To: Subject: asdf Message-ID: <01bce380$993a8700$message_id_removed.id> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BCE3BB.45995F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe me Thanx RONALD 'SHINOBU' email_address_removed.id http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/6654 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ I can learn to close my eyes........ to anything........ but injustice = I can learn to resist.... to anything...........................but = temptation = -RUSH _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BCE3BB.45995F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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