YTSEJAM Digest 3093 Today's Topics: 1) Anna Lee lyrics by Andrew Brodie 2) Savatage in VA by Pat Daugherty 3) Jap TAMP Demo by "Trevor W. Hoit" 4) RE: Savatage in VA by "Blevins, Mike" 5) new Savatage cd by Pat Daugherty 6) German Charts Update by email_address_removed 7) RE: new Savatage cd by "Blevins, Mike" 8) van halen compuserve thing by Pat Daugherty 9) Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball League by Pat Daugherty 10) DT-Boots and stuff...... by anakata 11) Misheard Lyrics by George Tryfonas 12) Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd) by Eric Rodger 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3083 by Eric Rodger 14) oops by Andrew Moore 15) Portnoy-Tour Dates by email_address_removed 16) Re: gratitude by Eric Rodger 17) DT inHolland? by BePe 18) DT by NightCast 19) Germany/US tour date conflict... by "Adam" 20) Stuff by Shai Yallin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:35:57 -0500 From: Andrew Brodie To: email_address_removed Subject: Anna Lee lyrics Message-ID: >I got the impression it had something to do with child sexual >abuse... >Dom'ny Same here. The first verse pretty much convinces me of that. --Andrew ------ \|||/ (o o) "Somebody help me, I'm stuck on this sig!" ---ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------------------------------------------- Andrew Brodie E-mail: email_address_removed 3316 Garner Ave. email_address_removed Ames, IA 50010 URL's: www.ames.net/andrew/ www.ames.net/hoops/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Current Cool Quote: "feed my head, with some real thoughts, and let me think instead of being taught, i'll say things you won't believe, just stand back, just let me breathe......" "Just Let Me Breathe" --Dream Theater ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:59:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Savatage in VA Message-ID: Ok, how many other jammers besides myself and Madden from the DC/VA/MD area will be going to the Savatage show next Saturday Oct 18? Opening will be the jam's own Division (I guess that means Mike Blevins will also be there...). The show is at Jaxx in Springfield. The same place Fates played at and probably the same place DT will (hopefully...). If you are planning to go, talk to Mike Blevins. He'll get you the tickets without the ticketbastard fee and you will be supporting Division. When's the other Savatage dates? Just wondering what the set list is like. Whether there will be a lot from the new album. |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | AL East Champions Baltimore Orioles-Next step, the ALCS! | | Washington Redskins 3-2 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:02:08 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'DT'" Subject: Jap TAMP Demo Message-ID: Well, I finally got the Japanese version of FII. It comes with a 3" disc with TAMP and Speak to Me demos. StM is pretty good but would've been my least favorite track had it been on FII. Definately a b-side, imho. Some differences in TAMP demo: 1. Slower, therefore longer. 6:50 vs 6:03 2. No intro of counting, shaker and tom drums. Just starts cold with vox and acoustic guitar. 3. An extra line in the bridge, "There'll be no encore after all". 4. A different 3rd verse altogether, "I was sitting on the edge my bed, staring at the paper through my tears, It read "Say Goodbye to Jesus" The world he left will never be the same." (I made up the puntuation) 5. an extra guitar part (sounds like it's done with that thingie you put on the strings to keep them going. I'n not a guitarist) after the first chorus. 6.A fade out that sounds like a music box. 7.James uses a lot more vibrato, hits a high note on the last "Anymore" and throws in a "Whoaohoh" somewhere, I forgot. 8. Overall, it's heavier especially the keyboards and has less of a "Living Years" sound to it. I'm sure there's more but that's all I could think of right now. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:05:04 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: Savatage in VA Message-ID: >Ok, how many other jammers besides myself and Madden from the >DC/VA/MD area will be going to the Savatage show next Saturday Oct 18? >Opening will be the jam's own Division (I guess that means Mike Blevins >will also be there...). The show is at Jaxx in Springfield. The same place >Fates played at and probably the same place DT will (hopefully...). The Savatage mailing list is also having a pre - show at the Franconia Pizza (right next to Jaxx). If enough 'jammers are going, maybe we should have one too... > >If you are planning to go, talk to Mike Blevins. He'll get you the >tickets without the ticketbastard fee and you will be supporting Division. You know, I don't need to advertise on this list at all with Pat around. Us Ytsejam - fantasy - football - league - bottomdwelling types have to stick together... :) > >When's the other Savatage dates? Just wondering what the set list is >like. Whether there will be a lot from the new album. I've heard they're playing THE WHOLE THING. Should be interesting, but we won't know until Friday or so - this is one of THREE dates on this warm up tour... Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:16:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: new Savatage cd Message-ID: I was thinking about the reason why they aren't releasing the new cd and it doesn't make sense. Most Savatage fans already have TSO and aren't going to buy it again anyway. Therefore the record company will be getting no money until January. Makes you wonder how record companies even survive with their thinking... |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | AL East Champions Baltimore Orioles-Next step, the ALCS! | | Washington Redskins 3-2 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:12:26 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: German Charts Update Message-ID: Hi everybody, FII has fallen from number 9 to 29... Time to release the Hollow Years single! Waiting for the German tour, Andreas Berger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:18:44 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: new Savatage cd Message-ID: >I was thinking about the reason why they aren't releasing the new cd and >it doesn't make sense. > >Most Savatage fans already have TSO and aren't going to buy it again anyway. >Therefore the record company will be getting no money until January. The reason I got was, since there are no bonus tracks or anything, the label in Japan wanted the time to sell the domestic version of it, without the US import undercutting the price. Japan is evidently a big 'Tage market. And, as usual, we get screwed because of it. > >Makes you wonder how record companies even survive with their thinking... It's Atlantic. They've been doing this shit for years... Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:31:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: van halen compuserve thing Message-ID: Why was this Eddie compuserve thing posted to the list? It seems to be years outdated. |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | AL East Champions Baltimore Orioles-Next step, the ALCS! | | Washington Redskins 3-2 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:34:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball League Message-ID: The Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball League at espn.com is up and running. The draft is slated for Oct 29. If you are interested in joining then go to http://espn.com and purchase a team. After you have a team join the group "Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball Leag." the password is "majesty". Then you have until Oct 29 to get your draft lists set up. Any questions let me know. |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | AL East Champions Baltimore Orioles-Next step, the ALCS! | | Washington Redskins 3-2 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 09:46:00 -0400 From: anakata To: "Ytsejam" Subject: DT-Boots and stuff...... Message-ID: Hi there DT folks..... Good to hear that the Tourdates are on their way...We wouldn=B4t = wanna miss out on them now do we?? And hey......If you=B4re under age in the U.S (To see a show), why = not come to Sweden, Germany or anywhere else where they might play on = a NON-ALCOHOL-SELLING Club.......???? Ok...Don=B4t take this too = serious ok...Just thought I=B4d add something....=3D) Are there any cool DT boots or Fates Warning out there that I can = maybe trade for a great Savatage Video boot I have. Let me know Ok?? Oh hey.....Every ytsejammer with a DT or Savatage page or = related...Why not join my SAVATAGE WEBRING. I have it all set up and ready to get joined in at this address...... http://hem.passagen.se/nanne/ring.html Ok....Hopefully SOMEONE will join eventually.....=3D) Bye for now........ Nanne Andersson (Maintainer of Web Winter Dead - A Tribute To = Savatage) = (http://hem.passagen.se/nanne) --------------------------------------- "Faded, faded, fell from the sky below. Faded, faded, from the sky you know. Hover, hummingbird, UFO, beautiful." (Psychotic Waltz) email_address_removed http://hem.passagen.se/nanne --------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:45:01 +0100 (BST) From: George Tryfonas To: email_address_removed Subject: Misheard Lyrics Message-ID: Here's another one to add to the Misheard Lyrics list at the FAQ: "She shuts the doors and lights the laser body on the bed, with Images and Words a remedy." in place of "She shuts the doors and lights and lays her body on the bed, where Images and Words are running deep." George ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:25:59 -0400 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd) Message-ID: >KAI continued his whinge-a-thon about the fan club: > >>Fuck the fan club. We have over 1000 people talking about Dream Theater >every single day >of the year, including Christmas. Now that's a fan club. >I don't need to send someone my >$15 to hear about DT 4 times a year. > >Nah, FUCK YOU, don't join the fan club don't get the CD and stop fucking >bitching about it >you fucking cry baby whinging pillowbiting git. > >Don't complain when you miss out again on the FC CD this year. >Now do you want me to send you a box of tissues ? > >gRaham_ > >PS Jason, where's 'the finger' when I need it ? >:) Hey Graham, What's your attachment to the fan club? I'm just trying to make the point that the ytsejam was around before the fan club, and we talk about DT everyday, not just 4 times a year. I'm sticking up for a group that you're a part of, and instead of arguing logically, you throw insults at me. FUCK YOU and your tissues. I never attacked you personally, so why should I get the Hartman finger? If anyone deserves it, its you. You made it a personal battle. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:38:14 -0400 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3083 Message-ID: At 06:19 PM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Someone (dunno who, pulled it from D-Man's response) inquired thusly: > >> Is Roundtable still managing DT, and if not, who is? > >No. When Jim Pitulski, their previous manager, parted ways with them >about two years ago, he took Round Table Entertainment with him. There >were some legal battles going on about it -- I'm not sure if they've been >completely resolved yet. Rob Shore took over as their manager when Jim >left; I don't know if he still is. > I don't think that's correct. When Jim left, I'm pretty sure that Roundtable stayed with Rob Shore, and with DT. As a matter of fact, I called them the day we heard the news to see if I could get an official statement from Rob about the split, but a secretary told me they weren't prepared for that yet. But she definitely answered "Roundtable" and Rob was still the exec. Things may be drastically different now. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:40:08 +0100 () From: Andrew Moore To: email_address_removed Subject: oops Message-ID: oops. I posted my message eerlier and forgot to comment on this. Sorry, Graham, if you think I'm repeating you. :) > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:18:38 +0100 () > From: Andrew Moore > Subject: various replies > Actually, DT did two full UK tours back in 1993 (for I&W, and then for > LATM). They went all over England, Scotland and Wales (I got to see them > in both Glasgow and Edinburgh). > Sadly, though, the UK tour for Awake only consisted of a solitary show > in London. I only got into DT in Aug. 93 when I heard Surrounded (LATM vers) on the Metal CD magazine free disc. So I was probably unaware of the tours at that point. Knackers. Wish I'd known. How did the tours go then? Packed out? No-one turn up? Mabye that's why they can't be arsed to tour the UK again. Andy --------------------------------- Andrew Moore, IT Adviser Anglia Business School, Anglia Polytechnic University, Cambridge, UK --------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:45:34 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Portnoy-Tour Dates Message-ID: Finally, some official word on the tour..... Keep your eyes on the -rsabbs.com/dt- page....Mike P. will be posting the tour dates over the next day or so......Yeah Baby! -Kyle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:54:13 -0400 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: gratitude Message-ID: >Beisdes, 15$ for a newsletter AND a CD? Why complain? After seeing about 1000 of these types of replies to my posts, I must question what I wrote, or what you're reading. Now mind you, it's 2 days after I wrote the original posts, and I was pretty fired up then. Now, I'm calm and collected, and just reading all the replies to my thoughts. The most common response is "Kai, you're a cheapskate if you can't shell out $15 for the fan club." You guys are seriously missing the point. Sure, I can afford $15. And yeah, I'll probably join the fan club just to get this year's little bonus. The real point however, is that I feel we are the fan club. But I can't get any of you to agree with me. Maybe most of you haven't been on here long enough to remember the days when the ytsejam always had a leg up on anyone else. I don't feel that's the case anymore, and my posts were supposed to muster the enthusiasm to get us back to that status. If you're not interested in that, then I have to say that I'm surprised and disappointed. That's it. It was never really about the $15, but the recognition. I don't know what more I can say, except that the new asshole that Graham tore me, hurts like a bitch. Thanks man. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:15:36 +0200 From: BePe To: email_address_removed Subject: DT inHolland? Message-ID: Who mantioned a DT show in Holland? Please give me some info on that. Thanx in advance, BePe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:09:25 -0600 From: NightCast To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: DT Message-ID: <01BCD55C.079BF4A0@tron> What the hell is everyone bitching about DT's management for? I'm getting the impression people are looking for someone to yell at/blame for some reason or another. Seriously, guys.. DT's record label RELEASED their CD, is scheduling tour dates for them, and hasn't dropped them. If you ask me, that's PRETTY damn good. If I was spiteful, I'd suggest that the fool who posted DT's manager's phone number should have his phone number posted and have everyone call him telling him to grow up. Or hey, why don't we post JP's phone number and have everyone call him up telling him we want more music. I'm sure that would help. I can understand writing to people who aren't paying any attention to DT (Letteman, radio stations, etc.) But calling the people who're feeding DT and telling them we want more? Ugh! People who are bitching because the Ytsejammers weren't mentioned in the liners? Hey, get off your fucking soap box, buy ACoS, blow it up to poster size at Kinko's and hang it on your damn wall, okay? For me, getting new DT material is reward enough. (a pissed at the idiots on the Ytsejam 'jammer) -James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:31:36 -0400 From: "Adam" To: Subject: Germany/US tour date conflict... Message-ID: <01bcd591$986bb120$message_id_removed> >I just got some confirmed tourdates for Germany! >2.12. Offenbach, Stadthalle >4.12. Bonn, Biskuithalle >7.12. Hamburg, Docks >I don't think they come over here for three dates in Germany and one in >Holland, so keep your eyes open, maybe there will be some more shows. Italy? Where might I find these dates "confirmed" at? I'm not saying you're incorrect, but I've heard of other locations during these dates. If the Cnotes page is to be believed 12/2 is Atlanta and 12/4 is the House of Blues in Myrtle Beach. I'd have to say these US dates seem a bit more viable. Why would they do just a few shows in the States and then head to Europe for awhile? It seems more efficient and intelligent to get rid of the US all at once, or at least do a major leg of the tour here, and then head to Europe, Japan, Australia, or whereever... Take care... ________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine) email_address_removed http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone (Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists.) ________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:29:00 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Stuff Message-ID: Ryan P. Skadberg wrote: > If you wanna complain for > some reason, complain to me, I have links to the band and management > and I will make sure any complaints are addressed. > > Skadz Hi Skadz, Well this ain't a complaint but you DO have connections to the band, and since no one has responded to me post to the jam, here it goes: I think now's the time to contact the managment/band/Elektra about the band coming to Israel during the Europian tour. So, if you have the time, please ask them to stop by in the way to Japan or something ok? I think at least 800 ppl will come to a show and since they're playing 200 ppl clubs in the states I think they won't mind a small audience... Thanx in advance, -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3093 **************************