YTSEJAM Digest 3089 Today's Topics: 1) Chicago HoB questions answered by Chris Ptacek 2) How can join the fan-club? by "Peter Tatischev" 3) RE: Recognition for Ytsejammers by "Blevins, Mike" 4) RE: Is that guy wearing a blouse???? by "Blevins, Mike" 5) RE: Update lemur Voice homepage by "Blevins, Mike" 6) Oooops... by "Blevins, Mike" 7) RE: 21+ because of alcohol? No way! by "Blevins, Mike" 8) Yes News Bulliten (Thanks Neil!!) by Ryan Good 9) YTSEJAM digest 3088 -Reply by Steven Jacobsen 10) Transcribing by "John Gilbert" 11) meshuggah by 12) Re: various comments by Gary Cleghorn 13) RE: 21+ because of alcohol? No way! by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 14) 21+ because of alcohol? No way! by Paul Goracke 15) Ottawa--->Toronto by Nicolas Drouin 16) Re: Once Again... by Gary Cleghorn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:56:31 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Chicago HoB questions answered Message-ID: >From: VAIMAN >Subject: attn ATLANTA or CHICAGO DT FANS. > >Any FANS in Chicago or that are going...have a open space in a room? Just >wondering. >I will bring the party supplies! :) I can make arrangements for people to get free lodgings. SOMEWHAT limitted (I can't get more than say... 6 people at my place comfortably... but I have friends and other options to get you or anyone in need a place to crash. I just need some advance warning. > If I do go to Chicago...I WANNA GET BACKSTAGE!! ANYONE help?? HoB doesn't have a backstage area for this stuff. There are two possibilities... VIP seating (I have limitted access... I may be getting myself and my GF VIP seats, but can't get extras) and perhaps an aftershow (which, in Chicago, generally means they kick everyone out, and those with special passes get to hang out for an hour or so with the band). In any event, I would definitly count on being able to meet the band or some members of the band after they come outside. They've come out to sign autographs after both shows I've seen in Chicago (The Vic). >From: Matt Stanich >Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3079 > >Hello All- > >I have a question about the House of Blues show in Chicago. Has anyone >been to this venue before? How do the ticket sales work? I saw standing >room only on the Ticketbasterd web page. I guess what I'm asking is if I >buy a ticket am I assured of getting in, or do you only get in if you >have a ticket and there is enough room? Since I will be driving many >hours to see this I want to be sure. >email_address_removed >Oh shit, it said that?! I just got mine yesterday and she told >me that the tickets were all general admission.....do we have a >confirmation from any Chicago based fans? It's like any other show DT will play on this tour. There's a set number of tickets available, and they're all for general admission (Standing room only, unless you grab a bar stool). If you have a ticket, and an ID, and you don't trip and hit your head and have to be taken to a hospital... you will get in. They don't mean "Standing room is all that's left". That means unless you have VIPs or Backstage (which may not even exist here) the closer you are to the front of the line on your way in the door means the closer your be to the stage. HoB is not small, but it ain't huge. Should be a good show. Finally: This is an 18+ show. HoB is not gonna bend unless all you >18 jammers pound the hell out of them. Chances are, they still won't bend. BUT, DT will be playing Milwaukee most likely, and that show may be all ages.... they may play St. Louis, and they may even hit Chicago again if this show sells out. Keep in mind also that it has happenened in the past (Several times) that a band sells out a venue early, and they decide to change venues to accomodate more people. They could move up to the Vic, the Riv, or the Aragon here in Chicago... you never know. Those of you under 21 in areas that are only getting 21+ shows: I think it's safe to say DT will be playing a couple more shows on this tour. They may do a full circle and play the same areas more than once. You will probably get a chance to see them in one way or another. I'm not 21 (13 months to go!) either... I just got lucky with the 18+ show. Take care, and please feel free to mail me with any questions about the Chicago show... Christopher W. Ptacek IRC: Madsman Tech Support EnterAct, L.L.C. http://www.enteract.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman "You can be a dreamer You can be your dream come true Let imagination lead Reality will follow through" - Michael Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:01:53 +0300 From: "Peter Tatischev" To: Subject: How can join the fan-club? Message-ID: Heya, jammers!! Can anybody help me - I want to join the fan club - do they have an e-mail address or a web-site... If you know anything about that, PLEEAASE mail me!!! Thanks in advance.... ======================================= Untie these strings, I'm climbing down I won't let them push me away Change Of Seasons, lyrics by Mike Portnoy Peter Tatischev email_address_removed The maintaner of the Unofficial Stu Hamm site: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch ======================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:54:25 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: Recognition for Ytsejammers Message-ID: >About all of you venting your frustrations about recognition (or lack of >it) for Ytsejammers, I want to ask you a question. Are we members of this >list for the recognition, No, we're members of this list so we can force our opinions on others. Sheesh - how long have you been here? :) > or to talk about the greatest band on Earth? (I was going to write Green Day here, but that's a stretch, even for ME.) > I personally think that recognition would be nice for all of you, but if >you >don't get it, then it's not the end of the world. Ytsejam already gets plenty of recognition. It' sthe only list I know of that is commonly referred to as "That bunch of opinionated assholes..." Seriously, folks, a mention would have been nice - listening to me about the choice of producer would have been nicer - but let's face it. We've got a new album to bitch at each other about, a tour about to happen - and all we care about is being left off the thanks list? Sheesh, no wonder they didn't thank us... :) BTW, I know someone said this already, but did anyone ever consider that James may not like Ytsejam because HALF OF YOU IDIOTS ARE ALWAYS TELLING THE BAND TO REPLACE HIM? I wouldn't be too fond of this list, either... And yes, I know I bitch about the producer all the time. I don't know if the band like how the album came out or not - but I know that KJL is a MEMBER of the band, and he deserves a bit more RESPECT from the bands' so - called FANS than a producer does... OK, end of bitch. Anyone know any tour dates? :) Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:57:12 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: Is that guy wearing a blouse???? Message-ID: >Ok, I dont know if this has been covered yet, but heres what I hear >clearly on JLMB at about 1:13-1:15 in the right speaker being spoken by >someone....probably a band member...."Is that guy wearing a blouse?" I >tried to get people on irc to hear it, and they're all deaf :)....so who >else has heard this? But the question is, are YOU waering a blouse? :) No, I don't hear it - I'll try it really loud tonight... Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:58:37 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: Update lemur Voice homepage Message-ID: Marcel wrote... >homepage is updated with new tabulature, it now has three songs >transcribed, Akasha Chronicles, Intuition and Deep Inside, totally, >including lead guitarsolo, I transcribed it myself and more songs will >follow..... I'd hazard a guess to say that this tab is 100% accurate. :) Sorry, I had to say it... Mike > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:01:33 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'ytsejam'" Subject: Oooops... Message-ID: My apologies to Marcel and the others I replied to... I still haven't gotten used to this ack mode stuff yet. :) My stupidity grows by leaps and bounds... Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:06:44 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: 21+ because of alcohol? No way! Message-ID: >>a) Try to start your own all ages club. Deal w/ rent, taxes, insurance, >>booking, security, etc., and you'll soon see why these places want to sell >>alcohol to increase their revenue. > >Look, we dont need people like you telling those of us that are under 21 >why we cant get into these shows. Actually, he makes a valid point... > >Wait, I forgot...Why is there a 21+ age limit? I just dont understand. >Maybe its because Im 17. Silly me, maybe Ill just have to wait till I grow >up to understand the wisdom bestowed upon adults. Maybe it's just the dumbass backwards "morality" that gets forced on you in this country. No, youth does not mean stupidity, and I don't agree with 21 - I think it should be 18, because until then your parents are legally responsible for you - but that's no reason to blast the guy for making a valid point. In fact, it comes dangerously close to backing up the youth = stupidity argument... Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:31:34 -0500 From: Ryan Good To: email_address_removed Subject: Yes News Bulliten (Thanks Neil!!) Message-ID: VATICAN CITY--In the first-ever union of the Word of God and the Synthesizer, the Catholic Church's College of Cardinals voted unanimously Monday to incorporate the lyrics of Yes into the New Testament. The resulting new Bible, the Revised Standard YesScriptures, will replace the Jerusalem Bible of 1966 as the standard accepted record and vehicle of divine revelation. "Let us rejoice in this momentous occasion," said Pope John Paul II in a special service at St. Peter's. "And let no man be unmoved, remembering the words of Jesus: 'In and around the lake, mountains come out of the sky, and they stand there.' Amen." In addition to a number of new sections, including the four-part Book of Bruford (a. Cord of Life; b. Eclipse; c. The Preacher; d. The Apocalypse), the revised YesScriptures will feature a dazzling, airbrushed gatefold by artist Roger Dean. Perhaps the most significant change is a more complete history of the life of Christ. In the revised account of Christ's temptation by Satan, the Lord and Savior is brought to a mountaintop overlooking a pastel landscape filled with exotic, half-melted rock formations and wispy, cloudlike trees. Christ, though tempted, "can see all good people turn their heads each day, and, so satisfied, He continues on His way." Christ's rejection of the Lord Of Lies is then followed by a 16-minute keyboard solo by synthesizer maestro Rick Wakeman. "God's word is not always clear, and neither is the path Jesus wants us to take in life," New York's Cardinal O'Connor said of the new scriptures. "But when Jesus tells His disciples at the Last Supper to eat of His body and drink of His blood, for 'He can feel no sense of measure, no illusions as He taketh refuge in young man's pleasure,' I as a Christian take comfort in these words." Despite being called for by pro-Yes movements within the Church for decades, the decision marks the first official Catholic acknowledgement of Yes-inclusive language and Yes-positive Biblical interpretations as actually being the Divine Word. "The Holy See's decision is a victory for progressives everywhere," said Jethro Tull frontman and longtime Christian Ian Anderson. "The updated Bible passages reflect the tremendously significant role that the concept album plays in our modern lives." The Catholic Church is not the first religious sect to embrace progressive-rock reform. Since 1974, Reform Jews have, as part of Rosh Hashanah services, sung verses from The Book Of Genesis Featuring Peter Gabriel. For years, Unitarian educators have taught the works of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, including Brain Salad Surgery. Though the majority of Bible scholars are welcoming the new YesScriptures, a small minority stands strongly opposed. "The messages in the YesScriptures are rarely clear and almost always of questionable morality," said Michael Fox, chair of Yale University's Divinity School. "While Christ's message may seem obvious when, in Howe 3:16, He sayeth unto James the Lesser: 'Owner of a lonely heart, yea, much better than thee, O owner of a broken heart,' it is possible that this passage contains intended irony on the part of the Savior, and that the verse actually signifies a message of profound sympathy for the broken-hearted heart-owners of Mankind." "The Word of God is the rock upon which we have built the Catholic Church," Fox concluded. "It is not Fragile." _____________________________________________________ "Pessmism protects me; limp hope won't let me down" -Enchant _____________________________________________________ Ryan Good - Music Stapher from WSUM - Madison's idea of College Radio! - The Unofficial-Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206 "Madison Student Radio: It's coming!" WSUM/MSR Homepage: http://msr.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:24:23 -0500 From: Steven Jacobsen To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 3088 -Reply Message-ID: Mike wrote: >If DT plays St. Louis, it better not be 21+. They >could get a large crowd at the Fox or American >Theater. Having so many shows +21 is a big >mistake, in my opinion. Just my $.02 They could play at Mississippi Nights and to the best of my knowledge, most, if not all, shows there do allow under 21 people in, you just have to sit in a restricted area (no booze!!) And to make one little point, it's not "if DT plays StL", it had better be "WHEN DT plays StL." Enjoy Steve Now playing: Peruvian Skies...Can't get enough of this tune...it F'n rules!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:34:53 PDT From: "John Gilbert" To: email_address_removed Subject: Transcribing Message-ID: Anyone working on transcribing any of the new songs? Does anyone want to do a transcription jointly? Or start working on some, even though chances are, there will be a tab book out..... john gilbert jg on dreamt.org http://home1.gte.net/mawyatt quote of the year "radio can go and suck my ass" -james labrie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:54:11 EDT To: email_address_removed Subject: meshuggah Message-ID: if any of you guys get a chance to check out meshuggah, do it!!! this band is incredible, tempos that mess with your mind and an amazing lead guitarist. they sound pretty harsh to the tame ear, with machine head-ish vocals. i have their new ep "the true human design" on order, release date is oct 14. find their albums and check them out!!! mike portnoy had em on his list of fave new prog bands. i knew he had good taste!! keep on jammin' .......... nate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:34:55 +0100 From: Gary Cleghorn To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: various comments Message-ID: In article , Andrew Moore writes >> 'FII' hasn't even got/had/have a local release here so don't hold your >> breathe for a tour just yet. >> Without a release of their most recent product do you seriously think that >> DT's record company will finance a tour here ? >> What we can do is start hassling the record company about releasing it >> here. > >This also sucks. I am DYING to see DT live, and as a UK Jammer I have >missed >all opportunities to see them so far (and that's not many over here.) If they >don't release the record, how do we expect them to tour? Luckily FII looks >as >though it will be out soon, so hopefully the tour won't be far behind. I've >now moved from the North East of England (where DT would never play >in a >millenium) down south, so I now have a chance of seeing a London show. You mean Consett?( if my memory serves me right) Yeah, in that case you're right :-) They might play Edinburgh again but its a bit of a hike. >Has any copies of the Japanese FII made it to the UK yet? Anybody seen >one? >I'm off to London this weekend so I hope to find a copy. Well i got one on order but no sign of it yet( also waiting for a US promo copy of FII that IS on its way :-) ) > >STILL waiting patiently for a "proper" copy of FII (and having to read you >lot >bitching about it!)... Windows in Newcastle have the US version in stock for 17.49ukp which is a fucking disgrace but this seems to be the norm in the UK :-( -- Gary Cleghorn Ytsejam Photo Gallery at http://www.tequila.demon.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:33:19 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: 21+ because of alcohol? No way! Message-ID: On the Eve of Destruction, "Blevins, Mike" said: > >Maybe it's just the dumbass backwards "morality" that gets forced on you >in this country. No, youth does not mean stupidity, and I don't agree >with 21 - I think it should be 18, because until then your parents are >legally responsible for you - but that's no reason to blast the guy for >making a valid point. In fact, it comes dangerously close to backing up >the youth = stupidity argument... Let's avoid this topic on the jam, and the whole 21 and over thing... So in other words, SHADDUP MIKE, get used to ACK mode NOW! :) -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: email_address_removed #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:35:19 -0700 From: Paul Goracke To: email_address_removed Subject: 21+ because of alcohol? No way! Message-ID: Jon Kretschmer wrote: >Look, we dont need people like you telling those of us that are under 21 >why we cant get into these shows. > >Wait, I forgot...Why is there a 21+ age limit? I just dont understand. >Maybe its because Im 17. Silly me, maybe Ill just have to wait till I grow >up to understand the wisdom bestowed upon adults. Well, maybe you DO need people like me telling you, pup, because you seem to have missed the point: it's all about *money*. It's not about you being a moron, or being too immature to handle seeing a band. Encourage an all ages venue to book DT. Maybe request DT's management book more all ages venues. But pissing about them playing 21+, and getting in a snit about somebody pointing out the obvious (which it probably wasn't, since the person I was replying to wasn't from the U.S.) only strengthens the argument that maybe you _are_ too immature to see DT (which, again, wasn't my original statement). When all else fails, take comfort in the fact that yes, everyone of legal age _is_ out to keep you young'uns down. That attitude will take you long way. pg --------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle email_address_removed | "To be is to do" - Plato | "Do be do be do" - Sinatra --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:42:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Drouin To: email_address_removed Subject: Ottawa--->Toronto Message-ID: Who would be interested in car pooling to Toronto from Ottawa Let me know(before its sold out!!) Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:17:25 +0100 From: Gary Cleghorn To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Once Again... Message-ID: In article , email_address_removed writes > > WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD FII RELEASED IN THE UK YET - SO >SHUT UP AND BE > GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU'VE GOT !!!!!! > > ahh, that's better.... > > Dave (a UK Jammer). Well said Dave :-) -- Gary Cleghorn Ytsejam Photo Gallery at http://www.tequila.demon.co.uk/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3089 **************************