YTSEJAM Digest 3076 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Paul Cashman's most by Mark Smeets 2) It's A Miracle! by "Chad Allen Klunck" 3) Sleepers and Hell's Kitchen by "Chad Allen Klunck" 4) DT in Detroit by CLARK ABEL 5) Welcome to my thought process!(bwah ha ha) by email_address_removed 6) Re: tour dates,..... by "Christopher R. Merlo" 7) quickie by Scotch 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3075 by Visker 9) DT concert gatherings web site by "Brian Hayden" 10) italian bands by "Emiliano " 11) Re: Terry Bozzio also by Carol Dellinger 12) ...oops... by Visker 13) Re: JP in GW by Eckie 14) Re: Upcoming Tour by Eckie 15) Blackened Time Sigs - dissected by "Neil Evans" 16) Anybody???????????? by email_address_removed (alexis1) 17) New Judas Priest this weekend (fwd, NDTC) by email_address_removed 18) Prog/Genesis by "Brown, Neal Patrick" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:35:33 PST From: Mark Smeets To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Paul Cashman's most Message-ID: ** Reply to note from email_address_removed 10/06/97 2:21pm -0700 Paul, You made me wanna post something I was thinking about since the night before. Everyone here is waiting to hear Metropolis Part 2, correct? Of course, who wouldn't want to. It's THE most anticipated DT song right now. The way I see it, is that, Paul is right it comes down to money and the reason there is no tour is probably also because the label just doesn't see any cash ops in it. Well, if DT was smart, and we all know they are, don't bother recording it. Put out another EP, get a new label (I believe they just have 1 more recording to do then they are free from all contract obligations) Give the new label the song, well, don't GIVE them the song but record it and then that basically tells the current label "Ha, we screwed you over". So, theres that little logical bit, why record Met 2 under Elektra, thats what elektra is waiting for. At least get a label that can do some good for the band. As for touring, do what Iced Earth does, do it yourself. Pauls post - part of it, just for referrence. DT's label apparently hasn't "paid off" (ahem, wink wink nudge nudge) 96rock's airplay consultants, hence 96rock acts all dumb when you call. It's an act, of course; the deejays I know there would love to play DT. I'm sure their label will act all innocent when the subject of Atlanta airplay comes up. It all comes down to money, folks, and where best to apply it. Mark Smeets/Stranger0/HTML Guild Member --------------------------------------- http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/ - personal page http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm - Megadeth F.A.Q. A Bridge is not a high place The fifty-second floor Icarus would know A Mountain isn't too far to fall When you've Fallin' from the Moon - Marillion, Brave - Fallin' from the Moon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:47:52 -0500 From: "Chad Allen Klunck" To: Subject: It's A Miracle! Message-ID: Holy fucking shit...you guys will never believe this. Elektra has updated the DT page! I shit you not! :) http://www.elektra.com/metal_club/dream/dream.html And guess what? They spelled the name WRONG in the title bar of the browser. Imaging that...OFB can't even get their record label to spell the damn name right! There's lots of misinformation (e.g. the discography only lists 3 albums, the newsgroup address is still arastar, etc.), but there's a few cute group pics of the guys. Be sure to check out the "A little bit about us", as it's like an interview and the label's only serious attempt to say anything (nice) at all about the boys. Elektra (as if we didn't know it already) is obviously pushing for YNM to become a "hit", as they refer to it when describing songs: "from the ominous thunder of the LP's opener, "New Millennium," to the pop polish of "You Not Me". Pop polish, huh? Is that like a soda & a dog at the ballgame? :) This just confirms my suspicions about Elektra...they are run by Illuminati who are planning initial public offerings of Bush and Oasis in the near future. Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:49:49 -0500 From: "Chad Allen Klunck" To: Subject: Sleepers and Hell's Kitchen Message-ID: Got a question for all you movie buffs: Is the track "Hell's Kitchen" on the soundtrack to Sleepers the same as (or similar to) FII? Is it even by DT? I've got a friend who saw the movie, and said "Did you know Dream Theater did a song in the movie?" I would assume that she must have seen their name in the credits, as she knows I like DT, but wouldn't have known the name of a song, so I don't think she's fucking with me. But who knows? :) Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL To: email_address_removed Subject: DT in Detroit Message-ID: Well, tickets have been on sale for DT at St. Andrews since Saturday. I just got tickets tonight, it's all general admission, and I forgot to ask how many were left, so MI people should probably get tickets soon, since this place is small. Oh, yeah, the show's on Oct 30. See some of you there. -Clark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Welcome to my thought process!(bwah ha ha) Message-ID: DT is a prog band, and the Genesis that Peter Gabriel left also was. Petey went on to launch several back up singers to solo success, one of which is Paula Cole, who's(whos? don't start!) guitarist uses.... A chapman stick! :) josh email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:52:29 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: tour dates,..... Message-ID: > As for the dates, don't we have contacts with the band on > here? Don't we have a DT OFFICIAL web site? It's surprising > that we have to hear from Ticketmaster and posters on the > walls of venues to find out where these guys are playing... I suppose that I count as a "contact" to the band. Mike has quite understandably been far too busy to get to e-mail lately. As for the official DT web page, I have no idea who's running it. I've sent mail to Josh Sager, I've mailed them with their little mail form thingie, and no luck. They won't update their FAQ mirror (it's dated March 1), they won't just link to the FAQ, and they apparently have some aversion to letting us know when the tour dates are. I've done what I can. Maybe someone else (Mike? Skadz? Neil?) can get in touch with someone I can't and see what's up. > Definitely disappointing.......... Agreed. I'm pretty upset that I have to learn about tour dates through TicketShafter -- and even then, apparently (Detroit) it's not complete info. Bummin, -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:59:30 -0400 From: Scotch To: Delirium Tremens Subject: quickie Message-ID: "Hollow Years": "The Inevitable Sumner"...? =) Scotch. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:56:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Visker To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3075 Message-ID: To the jammer who posted about JLMB sounding like something from White Zombie. I heard the exact same thing the first time I listened to it. I believe the song was called "1965"?...maybe not, but that was the chorus anyway...the main riff in both songs is almost the exact same. I totally agree with the fact that "Hollow Years" should be released as a single, this song could be huge...I can't think of a catchier song they have ever written. Finally, I'd like to voice my disgust with the "official dream theater web page" It's great for the first time listener, who wants to learn about DT, but has anything been added in the last year?? I've just given up trying to check out what's new...it's only updated once every 2 months...there's got to be more going on than that! And can we maybe get some tour info??? -Visker (remember me from last spring?? "gather hebrews???" :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 19:59:22 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT concert gatherings web site Message-ID: I've finished a web listing of DT concert dates and people who want to get together before each one. Dates are organized by state/province, and will be added as they are confirmed. There is a form to add your name, email address, and whether you are able/willing to drive. People can use this list to contact each other and figure out a gathering place, etc. The address is: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771/dt.html -Brian ******************************************************************************** "I may have wasted all those years, but they're not worth their time in tears." -John Myung of Dream Theater ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:22:35 +0200 From: "Emiliano " To: "ytse jam" Subject: italian bands Message-ID: >Yep got the album last week (thanks Ryan), Ray's voice is great, pretty >powerful and melodic, on the most part all the songs are great. The big let >down for me is the mix. It is so dull and boring, on some of the songs the >drums are so lame they sound like they could be programmed. >I'd go see 'em live, that's if they ever bother to tour Australia, no one >else does. >PS. Any Italian jammers tell us about two bands that I have heard great >things about, SKYLARK and RHAPSODY ? >gRaham_ We have a lot of band from the seventhy that made greate progressive,i don't know these two bands but i will inform for you,anyway listen something from these crazy italian band: "Le Orme" and "Banco del Mutuo Soccorso" and "Area".....they made fantastic progressive. BYE BYE Emiliano ___________________________________ 같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같 email_address_removed.it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:30:03 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Terry Bozzio also Message-ID: > From: VAIMAN >> Subject: Terry Bozzio > > )At 09:0 Terry Bozzio is also possibly the best drummer in > > I first heard about Terry Bozzio via FRANK ZAPPAS video > "BABYSNAKES". > What a GREAT DRUMMER! If you haven't seen this 'trippy' video...it's a > must for Zappa and Bozzio fans. > Vaiman, I agree, I'm a loyal DT (and Rush) fan but I am a hug fan of Terry Bozzio's talent. And I'm not even a drummer! (just lived with one) I had the opportunity to see Terry play at a clinic in San Jose on April 2, this year at a store 2 blocks from my place! You aren't kidding about the cymbals....he had a moving van just to cart his kit around. But DAMN! he's got some chops....... Just my cost of living Two Cents! Coldfire "The flame at the heart of a pawnbroker's diamond....." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:33:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Visker To: email_address_removed Subject: ...oops... Message-ID: upon return from listening to FII, I realized that it was the main riff in BMS, not JLMB, which sounds like the white zombie tune. I apologize for the error... maybe one day I'll be able to post without error?? :) -Visker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:40:29 -0700 From: Eckie To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: JP in GW Message-ID: Okay, I've read the article as well, and well, I don't find anything offensive about the article, to myself, or to any fans, 'n I'll explain why. *gets a bag of chips and a soda* As an artist, I totally understand what it means to mature artisticly, you start judging your own work harder, quicker, and you churn your thoughts a lot more in process than you did when you first started out (assuming, of course, said artist is continually striving to become better and better). In DT's case, it seems that the band has "matured" in the sense that they've strived to communicate an emotion better in thier newer material than they have ever done before. Sure, there are those songs off of I&W, Awake, and even WDADU (pronounce that out loud, I love the way it rolls off your tongue!) that send coldness, warmth, and excitement, I totally agree. Surrounded, Space Dye Vest, and Scarred, and well, the list goes on. But what they are trying to do is evolve into a style, that while is still their own, is something (insert nipple disclaimer here) more concise, something that doesn't require a jaw-dropping solo for each instrument for every song. They're a lot tighter as a musical whole on FII, and I'll have to say that was an effect based on the way the CD was produced (everybody seems to be wanting to progress towards a "live" sound on their albums nowadays). When Petrucci, or whoever says that they think their older material is "immature," it isn't a knock down of anybody who loves that particular style of DT/progmetal/whatever, but a reflection of what the artist thinks when he looks back at his art. As for Metropolis Pt. 2 being "old school," and thus, "immature," I believe the god of shred MEANT that it's wilder than anything they've done before, because, let's face it, they've been workin' on that tune for quite a while now! It's going to please the "old school fans" because it should have a lot of the same elements found in their older material. I'm thinking Met.2 will be like a stylistic compilation of Dream Theater, with bits 'n pieces of WDADU, I&W, Awake, ACOS, FII, and of course, something new and unexpected. That's why we love these guys, right? ~Eckie's prolly the sixth person to answer this post by now, knowing the average flow of ytsemail nowadays ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:45:54 -0700 From: Eckie To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Upcoming Tour Message-ID: > You know... I think this is what should've happened. > Heh heh, to quote a subscriber of AOL, "Me too."Heh heh, to quote a subscriber of AOL, "Me too." > Why does DT have management anyways? They should've asked US, the > ytsejam where would've been good places to play. They should play AT MY HOUSE!!!! Sure, the accoustics aren't all that great, but DAMN wouldn't that kick my ass to prog heaven! ~Eckie does it again ------------------------------ Date: 06 Oct 97 10:45:28 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" To: email_address_removed Subject: Blackened Time Sigs - dissected Message-ID: Well, since the discussion of time sigs in "Blackened" has continued, and since people still say "it's mostly in ___", I've written out the sigs for the whole damn song. Keep in mind that this is an interpretation, as is all written music. However, I am positive that I have not missed a beat or counted wrong - the only thing that is subjective is how you decide to divide the perceived beats into measures. I chose to do it a certain way based on emphasis and phrasing in the song. However, I assure you that you will have to make *many* time sig changes regardless of how you notate it. Note: I included CD times as a reference. Also, I have grouped repeated phrases in parentheses with a x3 (or some other number) afterwards to indicate the number of repetitions. As a final note, I took a look at the "official" Wolf Marshall transcription after I finished - he missed a few of the changes. Some of what he does is merely a different interpretation of the grouping by measures - he groups many of my 4/4 3/4 combinations as 7/4 - and there's nothing wrong with that. However, in at least 3 parts he missed a subtle dropping of half a beat (an insertion of 5/8 or the like). This is a very rhythmically complex tune, and the syncopation and rhythmic misdirection evident even in the 4/4 parts is extremely cool. Enjoy! Blackened - Metallica Performance Note: During the chorus there is a triplet figure (usually occurs in the 6th measure of the chorus) at which the beat slows slightly. This is still 4/4 time, it is just temporarily "streched out". 0:00 Fade in - 4/4 time, played freely. 0:36 5/4 0:38 (4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4) x3 0:51 4/4 7/8 4/4 4/4 0:56 (4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4) x4 1:13 VERSE 6/4 x12 1:36 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/4 1:43 CHORUS 4/4 x8 1:54 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 1:59 VERSE 6/4 x8 2:14 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/4 2:21 CHORUS 4/4 x9 2/4 2:34 (slower tempo) MIDDLE SECTION 4/4 x50 4:07 (6/4 7/4) x4 4:31 (guitar solo) 4/4 x13 4:55 Either: 11/8 Or: 4/4 3/8 (choose one way of counting, not both!) 4:58 (faster tempo) 4/4 slight pause 4/4 slight pause 2/4 slight pause (This could be notated in a rather complex way - however, I feel that Metallica was really thinking 4/4 4/4 2/4 and used visual communication to navigate the pauses which occur in between the phrases) 5:02 4/4 x16 5:22 5/8 5:23 4/4 x7 5:31 9/8 5:33 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 5:37 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/8 (this part is VERY tricky) 5:42 (4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4) x2 5:51 VERSE 6/4 x8 6:06 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/4 6:13 CHORUS 4/4 x7 5/8 6:23 CHORUS 4/4 x7 3/4 4/4 2/4 6:36 4/4 3/4 That's it! -Neil. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:48:21 -0300 From: email_address_removed (alexis1) To: "ytsejam mailing list" Subject: Anybody???????????? Message-ID: <19971007034926.AAA51046@alexis1> > > Hey people, anybody know anything about this? I found this in the Steve > Morse home page. > > THE CLASSICAL PROJECT STEVE IS PRODUCING FOR WINDHAM HILL IS NOW BACK ON > TRACK AND SHOULD BE DONE IN 2-3 MONTHS. TRACKS ARE IN FROM MARTY FREIDMAN, > TREVOR RABIN, STEVE HOWE, PETER FRAMPTON AND STEVE MORSE. IN PROGRESS ARE > VINCE GILL AND JOHN PETRUCCI > > Does anybody have more info about this project? > > Alexis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:04:33 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: New Judas Priest this weekend (fwd, NDTC) Message-ID: I am the King Of The Internet! A friend of mine has the new JP and he if you like Painkiller you'll love this and that Ripper Owens sounds awesome! The new cd will be out Oct 28 in the USA and it's called Jugulator. Scott --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- >If any of you are into Judas Priest and want to check out some new Judas >Priest material with new singer Ripper Owens.... >Listen to Hardradio.com this weekend - at the top of every hour you'll hear one >of 2 new tracks..."Bullet Train or "Blood Stained" >If you're a past Priest fan, you'll be amazed at the sound of Ripper's voice. >http://www.hardradio.com <-- Your motherboard warned you about us! > >What The Hard Rock World Is Coming To: >http://www.hardradio.com >The World's Largest Online Music Station --------- End forwarded message ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:44:53 CST From: "Brown, Neal Patrick" To: Subject: Prog/Genesis Message-ID: Somebody a few issues back mentioned that (in their opinion) DT is the best metal band, whereas Yes is (was?) the best progressive band. I can go with you on the first part, but Yes the best prog band? Well, prog is such a vague term. It's kind of like alternative (isn't it ironic? heh heh). Alt-rock encompasses a whole bunch of different styles. (I don't really like any of em, but still...Phish and Primus are usually grouped under alternative, even though they sound nothing like, say, Pearl Jam or Nirvana.) Yes is probably the best symphonic band. But what Yes did and what a band like ELP did, for example, are radically different. ELP is practically heavy metal sometimes, but Yes is kinda hippy-dippy. Jethro Tull, King Crimson, DT, Marillion, Gentle Giant--come on...these bands are so different it's hard to even say they're part of the same genre. So watch out for generalizations like "Yes is the best of the prog bands"--that's like saying Bach was the greatest composer of all time. It doesn't make any sense. Second NDTC part: the new Genesis album is a great way to fight insomnia. Seriously, I could not make myself sit down and listen to the whole thing. (I sat through The Wall! I have an attention span! ;) ) Tha t band needs a real drummer, and somebody to smack Tony Banks around and keeping him from playing the chord progression ad nauseum. It's uniformly boring, with the new singer (he isn't bad, actually...if only he had something to sing about) doing what he can with the mind-numbing lyrics. All Banks does is hang out, and it sounds like he'd rather be asleep. Rutherford at least tries, although not very hard. If you like it, sorry, please don't flame me. The album is just awful, IMHO. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3076 **************************