YTSEJAM Digest 3064 Today's Topics: 1) DT interviewed in Finnish TV by Esa Virtanen 2) FII by Jon Parmet 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3051 by Eric Rodger 4) FYI: Toad's Place by "Jeremy C. Hallum" 5) But I'll enjoy the ride today heh :) by Jon Parmet 6) Faith No More - Crack a Smile by NightCast 7) time signatures for crackheads by email_address_removed 8) Third Date on DT's Tour... by "Jeremy C. Hallum" 9) Re: Time and Motion by email_address_removed 10) Metallica and time sigs by "Neil Evans" 11) Re: Toad's Place by Sam Kim 12) "Blackened" like a fucking pancake by "Neil Evans" 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3063 by Chris Daley 14) FII meets Freud. by JB 15) Cynic members by email_address_removed 16) japan by Chris Daley 17) Re: Faith No More - Crack a Smile by "Christopher R. Merlo" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:42:48 +0300 (EET DST) From: Esa Virtanen To: Ytseland Subject: DT interviewed in Finnish TV Message-ID: Yes, it's true: OFB was interviewed live on television here where the reindeer roam. Well, actually the only band members present were MP and DS, obviously surprised and delighted by their chart success over here (in case you haven't hear: number 5 - beat that, any other country). The interview in itself was pretty short and crappy, a couple of questions about the new disc, and a couple of Finnish fans (of which neither one was me for some cruel and unjust reason) got to ask something. The only really new thing to know is that Hollow Years is the first single in Europe to which they'll do the video in a couple of days. The guys also promised to play here around February, so the European tour will probably take place sometime then. Yes, after cancelling their last show and being unable to attend the only one they've played here so far, they'd better come here or I'm just going to have to kill everyone. But the major shocker was Derek's look: with the sunglasses and leather-with-a-gallon-of-hair-gel -look he looked *exactly* like Tommy Lee. IMHO anyway. What sucked is that the program didn't show a DT-video (probably didn't have one), even though it was mentioned that they were supposed to play a live recording from Brazil, but the tape hadn't arrived in time. From last few gigs in Southern America, I'd guess..? Got to catch that when they do air it. And the program did have a long Stratovarius-interview from Athens where they recorded some tracks for their upcoming live disc. Also worth mentioning (hardly) is that Metropolis pt.2 has been played completely through once so far. -+- Esa Virtanen , http://webclub.solutions.fi/~echo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:48:51 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: FII Message-ID: Matt: > Interesting thought here. I was immediately drawn to FII, and being a > bassist, one of the huge attractions was Myung's prominence in the mix. The thing I'm noticing on FII is how well they play together (someone mentioned something similar that about WDADU). I had heard several samples of it before. First impressions were right where you might expect them to be: A New Millenium :) What I hear on this song (and the album) is just a great overall mix. I also hear something that truly is the mark of a great band: the ability to trade off being in the foreground and to control volume themselves. The way they all come back together at the chorus (pick any one instance of this, they all rule :) is so sweet. That layered sound they deliver is so well constructed and Try listening to NM with these things in mind and see what ya think. I'm not gonna even address togetherness on LiTS yet. :) I do agree with what everyone is saying about Myung in the mix and I like it. As a guitarist (albeit a shitty one), though, I can't help but notice how much Mike truly shines :) There is just no other drummer out there right now that is impressing me with the variety and exact placement of sounds that this guy is coming out with. They're so appropriate to the mood of the song. Try going back and listening to this album all the way through from an MP-centric point of reference. The mood changes so much across the songs and Mike is right there with it. He accents what any of the other 4 are doing so well... I'm not gonna even address MP on LiTS yet :) Other than to leave you with a section to ponder. Check out from 8:32-9:20 especially what's he's doing with the bass kick! Listen closely, then wipe the drool off the floor :) Sorry guys, this is MP's album :) AGAIN :) Oh, opinion you say? Bah! It is merely fact,. nothing else... bwahahahahahahaha Tune in next week, when I proove that FII is JP's album :) Regards, Jon *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "Let's not forget my legacy All my heroes have failed me Now they're dead and buried" -- Mike Portnoy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:52:08 -0400 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3051 Message-ID: At 09:57 PM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello all, > >I have to been meaning to ask if anyone would be interested in a tape trade. I'm looking for a good copy of the fix for '96 show(s). I have quite a few to offer in return. Somebody email me back if interested. Andy Keegan (are you still around) I've dealt with you before.... > >By the way - I'm in Australia and I don't trade in DATs.. > >thanks in advance someone... > >P.S. Brian Cox need NOT apply. > > Brian is a highly respected foundation of this list, who helped many of us veterans get our collections going. This type of comment is unnecessary and unprovoked. You'd be honored if Brian emailed you for a trade. But now, you can rule that out, and you can rule my help out as well. Being a dick doesn't score you any points. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:53:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" Subject: FYI: Toad's Place Message-ID: For those wondering about tickets to see DT at Toad's on the 25th... They are SOLD OUT ALREADY!!!! FUCK!!!! Any of you lucky bastards out there get a ticket? -jeremy +=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # "You've seen our Moon, # # Boston, MA 02134 # Now see our Johnson!" # # Astronomy # -seen on T-shirts all over Vikingland # #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># referring to QBs W. Moon and B. Johnson # #<*> email_address_removed <*># Bleeding Purple since the tender age of 6.# #<*>email_address_removed <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:03:06 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: But I'll enjoy the ride today heh :) Message-ID: They should have included a 'cup' with this disc. It kicks entirely too much! Brian: > Yep, and I like both approaches. Mike's lyrics definitely fit well > with the harder music. Well put! Sometimes, I don't want to be taken to some deep, far away place. I want to get slapped with a dose of reality. JLMB, the answer to the progressive jammers' lifelong plight, is a great example of Mike coming straight at ya :) MTV? YOU'RE GOING DOWN!!!!! hehehehehe Regards, Jon *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "Drifting with the current This stream of life flows on" -- John Myung ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:37:13 -0600 From: NightCast To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Faith No More - Crack a Smile Message-ID: <01BCCFE2.524BF740@tron> A (needed?) break from the FII reviews.. The coolest thing happened last night.. I went to the Faith No More concert in Salt Lake.. and saw some guy wearing an "Awake" t-shirt. I absolutely HAD to comment on how cool he was. :) Then as I was leaving, a couple other people noticed the license plate on my car 'YTSEJAM' and gave me two thumbs up. I was happy. :) And the FNM concert rocked. I haven't had that much fun in a long time. For whoever has the Crack a Smile boot.. I used to love Poison, but they've kind of dissappeared since then. If anyone has the boot, what would be the chances of ripping the CD and compressing it into MP3? If the CD was never released and never will be, I'm sure a lot of Poison fans would LOVE whoever did it. -NC (Ecstatic that DT is #52!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: time signatures for crackheads Message-ID: In a message dated 10/3/97 0:19:46, email_address_removed wrote: >I'm not much of a musician (I can play a pretty mean air guitar), >but I am curious of something that maybe you musicians can answer: What is >the most whacked out, insane time signature that you have ever heard of >out of a prog rock/prog metal band, and what song (or part of the song) and >album? On that same hand, what is the most insane time sig on a DT song? > Either emailed to me or sent to the list is fine, unless someone >complains loudly :). hmm...after a lot of deliberation (note the increased usage of legal terms in the last 6 weeks), the most bizarre time signature i've heard would have to be something in the dt repertoire. the song: "another day" album: "images and words" the meter: 4/4. they actually stuck with this uncommon (in prog rock) meter throughout the WHOLE song. now THAT is an accomplishment. ok, i'm fucking around. maybe. hard to think of any set of bizarre meters. you can play a 7/16 measure (or a 15/16 one as megadeth does in "lucretia") without too much difficulty, if you can handle it. meters get psycho when utilized in scenarios they normally wouldn't. dave brubeck (the master of the odd meter, imo) sits on this perch. another pretty bizarre use of odd meter is the "blues in 7" pink floyd pulls off in "money." so what if it's in 7, but a blues in 7 makes things a lot more interersting. ytsegoon (you know him, you love him, you just can't wear leather without him compleimenting you- he's your pantysniffer!) ****************************************************************************** david y. kobayashi the new york law school email_address_removed email_address_removed "better to save the mystery, than surrender to the secret." -j. petrucci ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:34:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" Subject: Third Date on DT's Tour... Message-ID: Columbus OH, Oct 28th. at Alrosa Villa, 7pm. -jeremy +=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # "You've seen our Moon, # # Boston, MA 02134 # Now see our Johnson!" # # Astronomy # -seen on T-shirts all over Vikingland # #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># referring to QBs W. Moon and B. Johnson # #<*> email_address_removed <*># Bleeding Purple since the tender age of 6.# #<*>email_address_removed <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:33:07 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" Subject: Re: Time and Motion Message-ID: <0010200001467674000002L042*@MHS> > From: Lobsterback < Subject: Time and Motion > < >Is "Fight Fire with Fire" a 1/1 composition (the beats > >don't seem to be different from each other)... < > Just on the off case you're not joking (I don't mean that to be rude,= but < more of a blanket statement to prevent other people from thinking I'm= > gullible), there's no such thing as 1/1 time. 2/2 is the lowest it g= oes, < and that's called cut-time. You only use that for slow songs, typica= lly, > or otherwise there'd be mad flags all over the place. We're talking = 64th < note city. Well, actually, I've always seen 2/2 used for fast songs. If the song is at something totally ridiculous such as 4/4 at 240 bpm, it is much easier to just count the half notes in 2/2 at 120 bpm. And when you start to approach 400 bpm, then you go to 1/1 and just count the measures. But getting back to the original question, if all the beats sound the same, then you could write it as 1/x. 1/1 would be a bit extreme because writing anything longer than 1 beat would be tough. If I were transcribing it, chances are I'd choose 4/4 and accent every beat. It just makes things easier to count. > Brian Henderson < email_address_removed "Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!" - Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan email_address_removed email_address_removed Write me. If you dare! = ------------------------------ Date: 03 Oct 97 09:56:05 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" To: email_address_removed Subject: Metallica and time sigs Message-ID: >>As for the song, I'm not familiar with it, but you can pretty much assume it's 4/4. Yes, I'll admit it, I don't have every Metallica album yet. But I do have rhythm, and that's all I need, right? Actually, no. There are many time sig changes in "Blackened." _...And Justice_ was a very cool album with some slight progressive tendencies here and there. Some long songs, some with time sig changes, and a tight-ass rhythm sound. Cool stuff. jammin', -Neil. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:06:21 -0400 From: Sam Kim To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Toad's Place Message-ID: This is horrible.. anyone else agree? Not that they're touring, but that they chose such a lousy venue. Toad's fits what, 2-300? They should play at the Palace(was it there?) like they did on the 'Awake' tour. I'd hate to think that their whole tour will consist of small local night clubs. -Sam > > YtseJim wrote: > > > Since i was at Toad's Place tonight to see the Dickinson show (which by > > the way, kicked major ass) > > I saw the advertisement for Dream Theater Oct 25 doors open 6pm, show at > > 6:30pm. > > Just thought i would confirm the date... > > Kinda strange that it is such an early show.... ------------------------------ Date: 03 Oct 97 10:12:23 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" To: email_address_removed Subject: "Blackened" like a fucking pancake Message-ID: >The greater part of Metallica's "Blackened" is in 6/4 I have to respectfully disagree with this. Listen very carefully - there are a shitload of changes. I'm not talking about a 6/4 vs 6/8 argument. Rather, there are lots of changes and extra beats either thrown in or lopped off (depending how you look at it). If people actually care, I'll go home and write out the sigs. Off the top of my head, I can remember one brief phrase of 14 beats - interpret it how you like (4/4 4/4 6/4, for example). Not having the CD, I can't give you a time reference for that. Count carefully! -Neil. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:24:25 -0400 From: Chris Daley To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3063 Message-ID: >From: Chris Genigeski >Subject: Meshuggah > > Any Meshuggah fans around here? No, they're no DT, but definitely >#2 on my list. If anyone's got any info on them send it my way. All I >know is they're Swedish, and if you like the heavy technical stuff >you'll love 'em. They're all really good, but the drummer is killer- >and the band is.....dare I say....tighter than DT? They're almost too >tight, TOO good. Somethin' must be up... I've heard a few of their songs...Meshuggah is supposedly Yiddish for "crazy", but I think the real spelling is meshugeneh....but...close enough :> ...but, they certainly are crazy...their music stops and goes and goes off on tangents and comes back ..goes to something smooth...goes to something rough....is it progressive? Even though they're nuts, they are quite coordinated..and everything fits well...it's interesting death metal.... This is a question to anyone in the jam who cares to respond...over the months I keep hearing people talk about songs in fractions...like 4/8 and 4/4 ...and 6/8...ect... what in the world does all that mean? If you want you can respond in private e-mail coz I'm sure a lot of people know about this stuff and don't wanna hear about it on the mailing list. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:29:31 -0400 From: JB To: email_address_removed Subject: FII meets Freud. Message-ID: COOL!!! Just bumped into one of my friends from a long time ago... anyway, his friend (a DJ) was unloading a bunch of stuff that never got played, that the station had. So I was talking to him today (with my fix long-sleeve t-shirt on) and he said, "you know, I remember we had a few singles and promo stuff from the radio station that got cleared out, and I just took whatever was laying around... and I still have a few things from DT if you're interested... I rarely listen to it, so if you're a die hard fan or something, you're welcome to it"... come to find out, the stuff includes the Lie single (which I've never been able to find)... so I'll have that tonight when I drop by... that was the only one he remembered... but hey! cool stuff! >"I may have spent too long in darkness >In the warmth of my penis." > Anyone else hear this, or am I just weird? ;)~ if there was an "n" sound in there anywhere, I could buy it... but it almost sounds as if Labrie says "peers" ... so no, I don't hear the penis... my, my ... Freud would have a field day with what you heard! :) by the way, all this talk of debuting on the charts.. anyone know the debut positions of IaW or Awake (or peak positions if it's any different)... and I'll repeat... does anyone know what the actual clips from ACOS are (right after section III (carpe diem) where james sings "I love you.... Goodbye")???????? All I can make out are " (clips) something happened...(more clips)...he was killed" Later, Jason -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jason Brindel Computer Engineering '97 Virginia Tech email_address_removed http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup (540)961-7262 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:34:38 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Cynic members Message-ID: to answer your question Stephen, Sean Reinert and Sean Malone are guesting on a prog album for the band Anomaly. they play drums and bass on all the tracks. there is a three song demo available thru mail order and you can find it by going to dr. mosh's progressive feast page and looking at his links. also, the same above mentioned players have their own new band called Ever, which is said to be cynic-ish music but their demo is not yet released. nate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:49:32 -0400 From: Chris Daley To: email_address_removed Subject: japan Message-ID: It's me posting again...I forgot to ask this in my last post...I was wondering how FII is selling in Japan...after all it seems that most folks over there dig DT...'k thanks... Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:01:21 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Faith No More - Crack a Smile Message-ID: > The coolest thing happened last night.. I went to the Faith No More concert > in Salt Lake.. and saw some guy wearing an "Awake" t-shirt. I absolutely > HAD to comment on how cool he was. :) Then as I was leaving, a couple > other people noticed the license plate on my car 'YTSEJAM' and gave me two > thumbs up. I was happy. :) And the FNM concert rocked. I haven't had > that much fun in a long time. I know the feeling. When Syrinx and I drove to Toronto to see Rush in June, all the locals were absolutely thrilled to see his "1001001" license plates - from Pennsylvania, no less!! 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